A Successful Blueprint For A Head Coach in Waiting Arrangement
I was inspired to write this after reading Head Coach in waiting-good idea or recipe for disaster? written by Cane Ressurection earlier today. I encourage everyone to take a moment and read his fanpost.
Instead of trying to steal CR's thunder or replying with a long winded comment on his post, I thought I would recreate as best I can, a story I wrote for another sports blog last year before the Champs Bowl, about how to make the HCIW arrangement work. I do not have my notes so I will go mostly from memory on what I remember, therefore all the details may not be as accurate as I would like.
Here then is the blueprint for how to make a HCIW agreement work, or at least as much as I can recall of it.
The HCIW plan can be a successful arrangement and provide a seamless transition from the old guard to the new guard if it can somehow be modeled after the Wisconsin HCIW deal between Coach Barry Alvarez and then in-waiting Coach Bret Bielema. The plan must be laid out in black and white, have a clear cut agenda, be agreed to by all parties, and there can be no gray areas or coaching conflicts.
Wisconsin pioneered the HCIW concept back in June of 2005 when they announced that Coach Barry Alvarez would be relinquishing control of the football program after the 2005 season to HCIW Bret Bielema. There had been HCIW deals prior to that, but only in basketball, and this was the first such arrangements I could find ever in college football. Today there are many HCIW deals in place including one in our own ACC, at Maryland between Ralph Friedgen and Jim Franklin, there is also one at Texas between Mack Brown and Will Muschamp, and there are presently deals in place at Oregon, Kentucky, and Purdue.
On December 10, 2007 we learned that:
Bowden to return for 33rd season at FSU; Fisher in line to replace him (with video).
If you have a few minutes you should click on this link and read about and listen to how the arrangement was laid out for us about the future well being of our football program.
Also, I find this quote interesting.
At Florida State, President T.K. Wetherell and then-athletic director Bill Proctor told Bowden they wanted to name Jimbo Fisher the coach-in-waiting. Fisher was given that role in December 2007, during his first season as the Seminoles' offensive coordinator.FSU junior quarterback Christian Ponder is glad the school made the move.
"It helps us, to know who's going to be the next head coach," Ponder said. "We're not really sure when it's going to happen, but to know and to have that figure already in place definitely helps because you know what he's going to bring to the table. ... So when that transition occurs it's going to be easier."
Bowden said having a successor has paid off with potential recruits.
"These kids look at me, they know I ain't going to be around there forever," Bowden said. "They know I'm not likely to finish their term at Florida State. But we can say, 'Hey, there's the guy that's going to take my place.' And then he gets to talking to them and they love him to death."
Is it just me, or does it seem that things taken a dramatic turn for the worse since 2007?
The first key to a successful HCIW deal is that the termination date for the current coach must be defined and agreed to in advanced by all parties, and the transition date should not, under any circumstance, be more than 1 year away.
"Every year I'll just re-sign it and tell 'em if I want to coach another year," Bowden said. "I couldn't ask for anything better than that."
This was the first mistake FSU made, the year to year deal Bowden currently has in place.
By giving Bowden the option to "see how I feel at the end of the year," or the more recent "I will evaluate myself after the season ends," we have now wound up with a completely dysfunctional football team on the verge of a total collapse.
The next thing Alvarez did at Wisconsin is to allow Bielema full access to all his notes on team matters from the years past, and copy him on all the notes he took on daily basis. This only seems logical and worked out well at Wisconsin, however I have my doubts that Bowden's notes would be of much use to Jimbo. The point is though, the sharing of as much possible information to help your replacement succeed. I can't say for sure, but I don't think Bowden is all that eager to help out Fisher as we would like him to be.
Next, HCIW Bielema was present at and sat in on every offense meeting, defensive meeting, and special teams meeting between coaches. He watched and learned how Alvarez conducted these meeting, to get an idea of what went on during these meetings, how to run these meetings, and what was going on in the day to day happenings of the other parts of the team that he was not in direct contact with on a daily basis.
Whenever Alvarez held a press conference, HCIW Bielema would attend, not to participate in, but to listen in on the questions being asked of the Coach Alvarez, how he answered those questions, about what information to release regarding the status of the team, and to become familiar with the members of the media.
Finally, as the season was coming to an end, there was a transition period where Alvarez slowly relinquished some of the day to day functions of the team, turning them over to the HCIW.
There was no questions who the number 2 coach was on that team.
There were no conflicts, power struggles, backstabbing, or sabotaging, between coaches on that team.
And finally the returning players, on all sides of the ball, were gaining respect and getting to know their future head coach.
There is one point I have not yet mentioned that made this transition work at Wisconsin, that is unique to Wisconsin, and that is not applicable here at FSU.
After Alvarez retired as head coach of the football team, he became the AD at Wisconsin.
Regardless of that last fact, if everything is spelled out in black and white and there are no gray areas, no coaching organizational infrastructure nightmares, and a clear cut plan of action, there is no reason why a HCIW agreement cannot be successful.
Too bad for us we don't have the willingness, intelligence, leadership, or desire from the top, to have thought this HCIW agreement out a little better, and thus have avoided the state of chaos we are presently in.
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Our HCIW plan was a ruse from the beginning.
Most of the current models I see lack your necessary ingredients. Shrewd presidents, AD’s, and head coaches taking a cue from FSU and Bowden? Since we’ve moved the discussion, I should mention my comments follow these from the referenced Cane’s Resurrection fanpost:
HCIW was a scam. A bait-and-switch pulled on a good man who trusted a lifelong hero. At other schools, it’s being used to hold on to coaches who should be employed as head coaches elsewhere. That said, the titles are meaningless, and the coaches can walk away whenever they want. So the HCIW deal comforts the fans but does little to secure the CIW while the HC is in charge. It serves only the current head coach and protects the school from the fanbase. Brilliant, depending on one’s perspective.
Good read, Frank. I just wonder if FSU’s ruined this for everybody.
You are absolutely right. At Maryland, the AD came right out and said that the only reason
it was given to Franklin was to keep him there because he was getting HC job offers from other colleges and the NFL. BTW, Franklins buyout is only $1 mil and it goes until 2012 I believe, so I would expect he will be gone before too long.
At VT, there has also been discussion about making a deal with a coach whose name escapes me, but Beamer and the AD said that if anyone approaches that assistant, they would just offer them more money.
Your right though, it is most a scam to prevent your talent from leaving.
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Bud Foster
At VT, there has also been discussion about making a deal with a coach whose name escapes me, but Beamer and the AD said that if anyone approaches that assistant, they would just offer them more money.
Not a scam in FSU's case
because of the big buyout. It does assure Fisher stays for the most part, and even if he never ended up getting the job, he gets the $5 mil, so its not like either is totally scammed, just the fans for not getting to see FSU do a true coaching search and bringing in entirely new blood.
Which Fisher demanded to forse the issue...
I really believe that Fisher knew how this would end, he made sure he would have a chance to be the next head coach at FSU with that buyout…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
He done good by getting it doubled from $2.5 to $5 million. Brilliant job Jimbo. Your agent earned his commission that day.
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Sorry I wasn't clearer. I meant a scam by other schools to try to keep their sought after coaches.
Scam was probably a bad choice of word on my part I should have used the word ploy. I was responding to TRMNole.
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good read -
although I think its a lot simpler than we all make it out to be:
Its a good system, and it will work provided the head coach isn’t a selfish, power-hungry egomaniac who sees the university as his own cash-cow while filling the coaching staff with his petty, incompetent friends and family
take that one caveat away, and we would have had a great transition
Minor kink in the plan.
Its a good system, and it will work provided the head coach isn’t a selfish, power-hungry egomaniac who sees the university as his own cash-cow while filling the coaching staff with his petty, incompetent friends and family
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Yes and no. If he hadn't created this mess there would be no end in site for Bowden, he would have probably gotten a 3 year deal, and Jimbo would be coaching at Auburn today.
So I know what you mean, but despite everything, it was a good deal for us and I am glad it it $5 mill instead of $1 mill, like at Maryland, because you know BB could have come up with the $1 mill to get rid of Jimbo.
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It might be a good IDEA...
not to put the HCIW way the hell down the structure chart.
So far in fact it seems BB and TK were begging for a muddled system and power struggle.
Let the record show that Jimbo isn’t 4th down that chart, but FIFTH. Thats right. He is at numero FIVE. Behind his own OL coach.
1. Bobby Bowden – Head Coach
2. Chuck Amato – Executive Head Coach/Linebackers
3. Mickey Andrews – Associate Head Coach/ Def. Coordinator
4. Rick Trickett – Asst. Head Coach / Offensive Line
5. Jimbo Fisher – Offensive Coordinator / Quarterbacks
They have had the BS titles for years though
It was not until losing three of the first five games this year that suddenly its being made a big deal of.
I see the titles as mostly just to make the employees feel more important about their jobs. You can go to some movie theaters where the person ripping tickets is the associate assistant manager hahaha!
No, it was always a big deal, you just didn't know about it
And when Jimbo gets shouted down in front of the entire team by Amato for not having a BS title in front of his name, it becomes serious.
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AC just reported
that Jimbo and CTC are best friends. The fight never happened….
I’m sure this verbal beat-down was fabricated also. Mr. Amato, based on his comments in the article, is simply misunderstood.
by PBD on Oct 8, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He and Jimbo the kind of friends Jimbo and Bobby are
Wait, Bobby wouldn’t refer to Jimbo by name in the most recent press conference? Hmm…
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Maybe he just forgot his name
If Jimbo wore a number, now THAT would be something….
by PBD on Oct 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The coaches would have to be assigned 3 digit numbers and that is too many.
HEADLINE: FSU announces Coaches will begin wearing 3 digit numbers.
Jimbo Fisher-111
James Coley-222
Bobby Bowden-??? (as in huh?)
Mickey Andrews-70+ (as in yards per reception)
Chuch Amato-666 (yeah I know I’m an a$$hole)
Jody Allen-000 (no explanation needed)
Dexter Carter-212 (as in left-right-left)
OK guys, go nuts. This was just off the top of my head. Where’s Matt when you need him.
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If you get a chance and are interested, I commented on my thoughts there.
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Ahh. Yowzah.
Hope it trickles down somewhere
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 9, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry for the wrong link, I thought you were asking PBD for the one where Amato said he and Jimbo were best friends.
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No sir.
“I don’t think we should have Bowden step down. He’s just so cute.” says a girl in my lab.
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 9, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the girl cute?
If yes: Laugh and say, “I know, right? What’s with all these haters?”
If no: Eliminate her.
Sounds like daddy issue's. Ask her if she likes to be spanked.
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Yeah you keep hearing 4th in line, but Tricket could tell Jimbo to drop and give him 20 and he would have to do it the way it is now laid out.
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Wisconsin is not FSU though
They had success under Barry Alvarez, but I think their expectations are lower. If they had the expectations of many FSU fans Bielema would have probably been run off already.
I noticed Stewart Mandell said Texas’s Mack Brown has not set a retirement time, but Texas also only gives their HCIW a $900K buyout. Good chunk of money, but not nearly the $5 mil TK locked into Jimbo Fisher.
If Jimbo had went to Auburn we would have simply got another OC. I think they could have done just as well. Maybe we could have gotten Gus Malzahn after he left Arkansas, or Steve Starkisian. You never know.
Personally I want Fisher to be given a chance, he has earned the right to lead this team.
That is an ironic statement huh?
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Last night on ESPN
Mark May accused FSU fans of having short memories. The old “whatcha done lately” excuse. I was screaming at the TV “How does EIGHT freakin’ years = lately.”
Then I realized that he thought the BYU game mean’t everything was fine at FSU and we were all happy after BYU. How can the big media guys be that stupid and out of touch and keep their jobs?
Steve you killing me
I now wish T. K. Worthless was hanging around so he could fired also.
It was something as usual which wasn’t handled right by T. K. he was afraid to hurt BB’s tender feelings most likely. They should have set him down and simply added this in the first part of the contract.
Bobby you are 80 years old and the program has been slipping since you tried to get away with hiring your son. We are not going to fire you because of the win record race but be on notice 7-6 is not going to get it. Jimbo Fisher is here to help you. He will be second in command on the depth chart and we encourage you to listen to him.
Any major disagreements between you and him bring them into my office and both I and the athletic director will discuss it with both of you. Jimbo will be taking over soon so he will have the final say on all recruits. None of your relatives will ever be hired here in the future so don’t even think about it. Amato will not be the next DC.
If Fisher feels that any current hires are not meeting specifications we urge you to follow his lead and fire them. If you disagree bring it to our office but be on notice Fisher will most likely get the benefit of the doubt.
You will be allowed to make suggestions to Mickey Andrews as you have always done but under no circumstances do you interfere with the offense. Do not get in coach Fisher’s way. It is an offense you have no grasp of but you can wear headphones as long as they are not connected to the press box, you can only use thses to talk to Ann.
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 8, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
BEST IDEA EVER!!!!
you can wear headphones as long as they are not connected to the press box, you can only use thses to talk to Ann.
by PBD on Oct 8, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc, Great Post.
LMAO. You need to send this post to T.K. and the Board of Trustees
That would make too much sense and not in the M.O. manual here at FSU.
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If somebody has the email of the board I will send it to them.
My wife is wondering why I am sitting here laughing out loud.
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TK named Fisher HCIW because...
To save BB’s job IMO, you’d think BB would have agreed to save his own job, but probably figured JF’s first year being not hugely statistically better then JB, that they would maybe bring JB back, I don’t know.
I think after JF’s first year he knew what he had gotten himself into, bad situation; Bowden probably treated him coldly like an immature child would a his mom’s new husband because it wasn’t his dad, even though he was a lousy Offensive…err dad.
I’m sure JF was probably thinking, I’m 1 and done and out of this nut house, he probably wished he could get a JB like buyout; it was probably evident, to everybody and TK, after that first year when JF’s name started popping up for other jobs and he wasn’t exactly denying his interest right away.
So, JF did show some improvement in that first year and I think it was looking like he could eventually straighten things out, even though many won’t admit, BBites mostly;
TK probably figured if JF left, they’d have a hard time finding someone else to stay in that position for very long, knowing BB’s childish ways and the fact he himself(BB) wouldn’t be here long if they kept having to replace the Offensive staff every couple years, and maybe TK himself figured he only had a few years left in him.
So, TK, being the shrewd fence sitting Democrat he is, see’s a nice solution; throw some money at JF, give him the nice new title of HCIW, a nice buyout if he doesn’t become HC in 3 years, JF figures the pay raise plus the guaranteed money in 3 years is worth grinning and bearing it…
On the other side of the fence, throw more money at BB, massage his ego telling him all the great things he thinks about him( read today’s press release, you’ll get the idea) then get Dave Hart run for canning his son, and then poor PT for criticizing his son, and then promise him(wink wink) he can still stay as long as wants regardless of the HCIW deal.
Obviously it was a gamble on TK’s part, hoping BB would hang em up anyways in a good contractual number of 3 years. Though it didn’t really matter because TK was probably planning a 2 and out as president anyways and figured, heck if BB tries to stay on after 3 years, well I’ll leave that to the first year prez and second year AD, not my problem.
When the shat hits the fan, and BB figures he’s got 3 more years in him and figures he’ll stay on, screw JF, I am Legend, pay JF his money and send him on his way, and oh BTW I’ll need a cost of living raise(Ann) to stay on, oh and Terry can be my new OC, he’s been at a D3 program a couple years, and hey JB can be the WR coach again, one big family reunion!!
So now the new prez and AD and boosters have to deal with the mess after that 3rd year, which most probably ends with JF’s contract being honored like it should be and making him the head coach and BB being the one getting his money and sent packing. Obviously it’ll be ugly having to run a legendary coach out of here, especially for the new guys.
And what will TK be doing; well he’ll be playing the politician once again:
To BB(who is wearing his headphones) he says, sorry coach I have no control over things anymore, no pull, sorry my mentor my friend, they are doing you so wrong, if I were still there you’d be staying put, yada yada kiss ass yada
To the media, from his Montana ranch via fax, he’ll disagree with the decision, BB should be able to stay as long as he wants, he is the legend, my friend, my mentor, blah blah blah, poor BB.
To himself; thank God that old coot is finally out of there, I didn’t think he would ever retire, damn, now I can renew my season tickets again…
Some good thoughts. Like I said earlier, Jimbo was very smart to pretend to listen to the Auburn offers because it doubled his buyout.
I think things would be different if it was still at $2.5 mil, either by Bowden’s doing or by another college offering and Jimbo jumping.
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Just a question
It was reported that JF turned the job down first and it took BB calling him and convicing him to come to FSU. If that is true why would he be trying to derail him? Just a question like I said before I am ready for JF to get his chance.
We're talking Bowden's OC vs. Bowden's successor - very different scenario.
Fisher was a hot commodity, and Saban wanted him. Bowden and co. couldn’t afford Fisher so they lured him with a handshake deal – enter the bait-and-switch. The HCIW deal came about once Fisher saw this, and Jimbo played FSU like a fiddle with the WVU opening, upping the HCIW deal to 5mil. Jimbo is a good man who was played for a fool by a lifelong hero he trusted. Was he naive? Yes, but I respect good and decent men. I don’t respect liars and cheats, and in return Jimbo played FSU for fools before they ever knew what hit them. Good for him. In doing this, Jimbo has secured his and our futures. Sincerely rllewis, this is it in a nutshell, and I appreciate the opportunity to answer your question. Jimbo’s getting his chance, whether anyone likes it or not, and I hope you and every Nole fan with give him your full support. No one at TN is a Jimbo Fisher fan “just because.” You may have picked up on this, but no one here thinks anything “just because.” :) It is through tons of thought and analysis that so many of us have decided to back Fisher in this situation.
Support??
Of course I will support Jimbo that has never been an issue. The only thing that I have disagreed with is the tactics being used to try to force BB into making a choice. I really dont think that alot of the conspiracy theories that are out there are true, but thats my own opion. I appreciate you sharring your thoughts with me on that.
One of the biggest problem in our equation is Chuck Amato...
You have got to think that Chuck used to be a HC and now is a LB coach. He is not even a coordinator. This has got to be eating him up inside. I can only imagine what CTC is thinking …..Now this unproven/never before HC coach comes in and is offered the HC job at FSU. Who does he think he is, I deserve that job, hell I have been the HC at NCST and have paid my dues here at FSU. That HC job should be mine, and BB and MA have promised it to me!
Of course CTC is going to try to interfere and undermine Jimbo everystep along the way.
Thus the reason for "Executive Head Coach" strictly a ego title.
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Yes but Chucky
actually thinks he is holding things together for diddy and helping right the ship.
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He also thinks those shades make him look like Tom Cruise in Top Gun.
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Chucky is back
Chuck blocks out the nightmare scenario of him being vitually run out of town at North Carolina State. Chucky tell us how many job offers you have had since then., Oh that is right zero other than diddy.
I wonder if any of these coaches ever ask themselves why has Fisher been offered a position with the Miami Dolphins under Saban, the offensive coordinator job at Alabama under Saban, the UAB, head coaching job, the WVU head coaching job and the Auburn head coaching job and they haven’t been offered jack @@@@!
Saban was willing to listen to Jimbo’s suggestions, why can’t diddly? Oh that is right we don’t have Ann’s official stamp of approval and Terry that great football mind wants him bought out.
As a matter of fact let me remind you that Saban said of Fisher, “As a coach he has no weaknesses.” end of quote.
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The first key to a successfull HCIW deal is that the termination date for the current coach must be defined and agreed to in advanced by all parties, and the transition date should not, under any circumstance, be more than 1 year away.
I think you just hit the nail on the head. In order for this to work, you can’t give the exiting coach any wiggle room or time to change his mind. You have to treat it like a bandaid, just rip it off.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 9, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
And thanks to you for bringing back the recollection of this story that I previously wrote elsewhere.
And yes with the bandaid analogy which was FSU’s biggest f*ckup which lead to this whole circus. One and out then it’s time to swim or sink.
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Yes, I know Bowden needs to step down,
but in all seriousness th University has handled this badly from the beginning. They basically made it look like there was a 2010 deadline for Jimbo to take over while telling Bobby he could stay as long as he wants.
Again, I think it’s time for him to step down, but I can’t help but see his side of this, too. The University should have made damn sure he was OK with this HCIW program from the start and let him have SOME say in who his replacement would be.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
If you click the link in the article you will see a video of Bowden at the time of the announcement,
then read the quote highlighted in gray in the story and you will see he knew exactly what was going on and he signed off on it.
TK did not do this behind his buddies back.
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If Bowden had had a say though...
I think the reason he didn’t get a say in the decision to begin with was:
1) Everyone knew he’d be against the idea and veto it right out of the gates, then Fisher would have left and we’d end up with a string of OC’s and staffs while he kept collecting big pay days for doing nada.
2) He would have been pushing for a typical homer, Amato, Terry, or Tommy or some such non-sense.
3) Because the last so many hiring decisions he did make were rubbish, Jeff Bowden, Jody Allen, Daryl Dickey, the OLine coaches, basically the main guys to help sink this program.
Yes, we are paying for it in many regards but like I said the other option would have been us twiddling our thumbs waiting for him to retire on his terms when he felt like it while we continued to sink deeper in the shat.
Frankly he’s been acting like a child for years now and is finally being treated like one, sad to say.
Right and after the deal was done he had to pretend he was involved and ok with it,
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Since when does a losing head coach pick his replacement?
This HCIW is working out pretty good at Kentucky. The new coach is taking instructions from Brooks right now in holding losses to a minimum of 30 points.
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I hope BB is O.K with it
The tides of history march onward.
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