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Coach-Speak: Sorry Bobby, Turnovers Did Not Cost Florida State the Game

This is a new feature.  We will look at what Florida State's coaching staff said following last week's game and then read into it entirely too much.  Oh, and we have fun graphs that will make you lose your appetite (so if you have great lunch plans, don't read this until you get back).  A big thanks to those readers who graciously transcribed the press conferences.

Here's the video of Bowden's post-game comments.  If you can't watch it because your work disables or disallows video, I transcribed the relevant portions for you.  When you get angry about FSU losing ballgames, watch this video and tell yourself FSU is paying this old man $2.5 Million to lead and coach its football team.  What does this man do for his $2.5 Million?

Spiller was the difference in the ballgame.  Spiller was the one guy who made the biggest difference in my opinion.  

This is a theme.  He says things before he thinks, then if they sound good to him, he repeats them.  This works well if you're not on camera.  

Our problem was turnovers, turnovers, turnovers.  I was concerned last week when our quarterback was not able to practice he didn't practice.  Wasn't throwin'.  And when I was interviewed yesterday by ABC or whoever, uh, the guys, uh, at interviewed me, (Todd) Blackledge and them.  I told them one thing I was concerned about was will I would he lose his timing from not throwin' much so.  

Interesting, considering Clemson had drives of 80, 76, 73, 72, 73 and 48 yards.  They had 218 yards in the first half on 33 plays (6.7 per snap) and 275 in the 2nd half on 31 plays (8.9 per snap).  For the game, they had 493 yards on 64 plays, which is a ridiculous 7.7 yards per play allowed by the Florida State defense.  And the trend continues as FSU has again allowed another team to post their best offensive game of the season:

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I took the liberty of adding them to our handy chart (click to enlarge).

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Clemson left 8 points on the board by way of 2 missed field goals and 3 missed extra points (it's 8 and not 9 because a 2-point conversion made up for one of the missed extra points).  

Here's what you have to remember.  Every team Florida State has played, has posted their best offensive game of the year, against Florida State.  Miami's best offensive game was FSU.  BYU's?  FSU.  USF?  FSU.  BC?  FSU.  GT?  FSU.  UNC?  FSU.  NCST?  FSU.  Clemson?  FSU

Okay, back to Bowden...

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But uh I wouldn't take a thing away from Clemson.  They won, they deserved to win, they made more big plays than we did.  

Yeah, and they had a better day against the 'Noles than they did against Coastal Carolina.  Or anyone else for that matter.  Then we go back to Bowden not knowing the score...

We hung with 'em for how long?  3, 3, 2 1/2 quarters, somethin like that?  and uh then uh Clemson won the ballgame.

Seriously, you are the head coach and you are paid $2.5 Million dollars.  Know what happened in the damn game you supposedly just coached.  Don't waste all your time thinking about how to deflect from the disastrous overrides you made in the game that led to turnovers by the offense and big plays for Clemson's offense.

Reporter asks a question about the difference in the ballgame.  Bowden responds:

Well the difference in it was turnovers.  

Again, no reasonable person expected FSU to drop big points on Clemson.  But it was perfectly reasonable for people to expect any defense to hold Clemson to less than 480 yards (490 if you don't give the defense credit for kneel-downs!).  It wasn't turnovers.  Clemson had drives of 80, 76, 73, 72, 73 and 48 yards.  They had 218 yards in the first half on 33 plays (6.7 per snap) and 275 in the 2nd half on 31 plays (8.9 per snap).  For the game, they had 493 yards on 64 plays, which is a ridiculous 7.7 yards per play allowed by the Florida State defense.

Where would you rank Spiller in relation to the greats you've had?

Where would I rank him?  He'd be up there.  You know the people who recruit those kind of guys, there the ones that's got a chance to win national championships.  Cause it's people like him that can get you in there.  Might have to have more than him, but he's the kind of guy who can put you on top.

FSU did recruit Spiller.  If Bowden hadn't raped FSU by treating it as his own personal charity by hiring a bevy of unqualified yes-men coaches to run this once great program they'd likely have Spiller.  But he made the right choice not to play for Bowden.  

R:  Can you talk about your different range of emotions in the ballgame tonight?  I mean there were critical errors-

Oh there really were.  Both of us made errors.  We probably scored on some of their errors I don't know, didn't keep up, keep up with it.  But uh we'd turn the ball over and they'd go down and score and uh we'd turn it over and they didn't score.  Then they'd turn it over back, ya know?  The game kinda went that way and ya know I we you know we felt very comfortable ya know knew it was a battle.  How late was it, uh, 20 seveeee 24 to 21 our favor.  How late did it get, did that get in the 4th quarter?

R: 9 1/2 minutes left.

B: Left in the game?

R:  Yes.

B:  So uh your your you're feeling comfortable, but you know that it ain't won yet. Then of course the dam broke.

Good God.  He doesn't call plays (except when he does and they are out of rhythm and disastrous), doesn't manage the clock, doesn't recruit, doesn't lead, and now he can't even be bothered to "keep up with" the goings on in the game?  

R: In the second half, when it seemed like momentum started to switch, how hard was it to try to reverse that?

B:  You mean when they got it (momentum)? Well, actually, you know, they had to kick off to us. We had a what? A three-point ? Did we have the lead at the half?  (affirmation off camera)

B:  We had a three-point lead at the half.  I think. Then they had to kick off to us. We needed to take it down and win the darn win the game right there. We didn't do it. They stopped us. Then we kicked it to them and then they probably scored.

R:  They went ahead and then you guys came back

B:  Huh?

R:  They went ahead and then you guys came back again.

B:  Did we score get ahead of them again after that?

R:  Yeah.

B:  Then we got back ahead, huh? Umm, uh, it was going that way, you know it? I felt very comfortable that uh that if they could score, we could score. That's the way I felt, you know it? We've done it all year.  And uh and uh but they But then we started turning the ball over.  Turning the ball over:  

No coach, I'm sure the reporter wanted to know how hard it was to reverse your own momentum you had from scoring.  They "probably scored"?  Really?  Then he doesn't even know that the other team came back and scored.  So what does he do?  He falls back on a football cliche that sounds good in his dementia riddled head, "turnovers, turning the ball over."  

What did you think of Jermaine Thomas' performance tonight?  

Must have been pretty good.  What did he get?  (100 yards).  It's hard to do that 2 times in a row.  Cause people set up set yo get ya.

The media is no longer babying Bobby.

They are done.  They've finally stopped helping out Bobby.  If you didn't know, the media always babys him and if they didn't, he would appear to the public like he appears to those who interview him, which is as a confused old man.  He is 80 years old and from Alabama.  Racist or not, how long until he drops an n-bomb or says "colored"?  Ever hang out with someone 80 years of age?  They have no filter.  They say whatever comes to their mind.  

I was at media day and Bowden just stumbled all over himself, even after people lobbed softballs at him.  They media has routinely asked him questions and he'd respond with something largely unrelated and they would just go with whatever he said or patiently wait for him to finish and then rephrase.  Or they'd basically turn it into a yes/ no question and nod their heads to help coach FSU's coach.  

Why aren't they helping him?  Perhaps they are trying to get on Fisher's good side?  Perhaps they can sense that supporting the guy who is actively making it tough for the competent coaches left on staff to do their job is a poor idea.  Or maybe they just realize he is out and don't care.

 

 

 

Mickey Andrews Press Conference

Even though the score is not indicative, we played one of our best games of the season against Clemson.  Effort was good and guys were in position to make plays.

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I would say that the score is not indicative because it doesn't reflect that Clemson left 8 points on the board by way of 2 missed field goals and 3 missed extra points (it's 8 and not 9 because a 2-point conversion made up for one of the missed extra points). 

I think the score is very reflective that FSU's defense played worse than the defense of Coastal Carolina, and that it again allowed another opponent (as it has in every game this season) to post their best offensive game of the year:

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So no, Mickey, we are not fooled.  Your defense played horribly.  Clemson had drives of 80, 76, 73, 72, 73 and 48 yards.  They had 218 yards in the first half on 33 plays (6.7 per snap) and 275 in the 2nd half on 31 plays (8.9 per snap).  For the game, they had 493 yards on 64 plays, which is a ridiculous 7.7 yards per play allowed by the Florida State defense.

Big plays were because of poor angles by the defense.

And poor recognition.  And a lack of understanding as brought on by poor coaching.

Defense still lacks discipline from play to play.

I have to say I am shocked by this.  Shocked I tell you.

"We prepare for sudden change sittuations but we did a poor job against Clemson."

This is a clever shot at the offense.  Not that they didn't do a poor job, but it is pretty clever.

"We were able to make three red-zone stops and those are positives and things to build off of."

Ridiculous claim.  We know that red zone defense, when it is much better than actual defense, is anomalous and not repeatable.

"The last quarter got away from us and Clemson did enough to beat us."  "At the end of the day the mistakes cost us this football game."

Actually, he's wrong here again... Let's look at Clemson's yards by quarter:

1st: 19 plays for 93 yards.
2nd: 14 plays for 125 yards
3rd: 14 plays for 152 yards
4th: 13 plays for 100 yards.

Yep, sucks when people can review the performance and look at what actually happened.

"By and large there were enough things encouraging. But we need to have a better week this week against Wake this week."

His standards have become impossibly low.

"Patrick Robinson played well. He dropped a interception but he played very well."  Also complimented Jamie Robinson

Robinson is still a 1st round pick.  Jamie did a nice job catching one of the worst thrown balls I have ever seen.

"Spiller is good enough to change the game on one play"

Yeah especially when you single cover him with #29 Kendall Smith (MLB).  

"Nigel Bradham is getting better each week. He is studying the game more and it is impressive to see the progress that he is making."

This is good to see.  Nigel is going to be a blessing for whoever FSU gets for DC.

"The players are not playing for me they are playing for each other. They are playing for us."

"We challenged them to play for the spear on their helmet. They don't need to downgrade it they need to honor it."

The players have always played hard this year.  This was a response to a question regarding the player's desire to be motivated for Andrews.

"Wake is a much different team than we played last year. This year they are playing more 11 or 12 personell. They have some skill players just not as many as they did last year."

"You know Wake is going to give you the rocket or slingshot motion."

"You have to be on your toes with Wake. They are well coached and they always play you very tough. There is not one game this season that we have played a team that hasn't had a good quarterback. We have another tough challenge this week with Skinner."

And then he talked about how they are very multiple (formations) this year.

Wake's offense could only score 3 on Clemson and needed overtime to hit 27 against Georgia Tech.  Seriously, Mickey is setting you up with excuses for another terrible game.

"Jimbo will get E.J. coached up and I will be surprised if he doesn't play very well. We will do everything on defense we can to help him."

Many wish you would just play the young players and help FSU get ready for a season in which they might be good again.

"Wake is very well coached and they compete and that is a tough combination."

A combination we don't see for FSU.

Nick Moody has an injured shoulder.

I think he'd be better with one arm than Korey Mangum is with two.

Mickey hasn't wanted to be here for two years and nobody can blame him.

 

Jimbo Fisher

Fisher expects Ponder should be back in time for spring.

That seems to be the concensus.

EJ is very tough and he was fine and tough during the Clemson game.

And Wake's defense is not as good as Clemson's.

Ryan Becker (walk on from St. Thomas) will be the backup.

Becker signals in the plays.  They don't want to burn Secord's redshirt.

I'm excited for EJ. For him to have an opportunity to play. I think he will handle it well. He is a mature young man.  EJ has progressed a bunch, including his consistency. He has leadership, toughness, character. He represents and embodies what you want in a studen-athlete. You can picture him leading your football team. (Coach Fisher of what he saw in EJ when recruiting him).

I think everyone likes EJ and did as well in recruiting.  He can be a great one for FSU, but this is still his first start.

You have to play smart, intelligent football and make sacrifices to have a chance to win (Coach Fisher on what FSU needs to remember when trying to win).

Physical stature. Size does matter. He is big and athletic. Big guys don't move like he does. I saw a winner in him. (Coach Fisher on EJ Manuel).  EJ can be a great player, and I think he will be in the future (Coach Fisher comments on EJ).

I think Fisher will run the heck out of EJ against Wake.

Coach Fisher on Christian's year:  'He was 11 of 13 at half'. How sharp he played was amazing because of his lack of practice. He's played as well, with the amount of workload given to him, as anybody I've had. He was playing so well. When he was in the game, we always had a chance to win the game.  Christian embodies what you preach as a coach. Be on time. Go to school. He does all those things, and you want guys to have his character. He practices, studies film even during in the off season, and you want him to have success because all he does with what he has.

And he's back for next year in all likelihood and was playing better than any QB in a long long time.

Much like Caz Piurowski did with Bo Reliford, Christian will room with E.J. on the road to help him if he needs it.

This is smart.  Reliford credited Caz' help for his performance against UNC.

Jermaine Thomas ran really hard but did miss a few cuts.  Fisher was satisfied.  

Thomas should also have fresh legs because he didn't play much earlier in the year.

Rodney Hudson continues to play very well and did  a great job on Jenkins/ Thompson

Let's hope he doesn't go pro.  I expect him to stay because he needs to get bigger.

Fisher is worried about Hurricane Ida taking practice time.

This is a dig at the boosters to get him an indoor practice facility.  

Then Fisher said that Wake lost a lot in the secondary but that their defensive line is very good.

It's actually just average.  If Fisher really likes something he will say that it is excellent or tremendous or that they will "play on Sundays".  

 

And then Christian spoke but all he said was that he hates to be injured like this, looks forward to spring ball and having a good rehab, and has confidence in EJ.  

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I like this new feature

It should be sad and nauseating, but the humor prevails this week.

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by DKfromVA on Nov 10, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Want to get more pissed off check out HD Coaches' salaries

ACC HEAD COACHES
Assistant coaches’ salaries
How can the University continue to pay the top dollar in the ACC be ho hum about the results. I understand that Fisher is the bulk of the Assistant Money which is justifiable. As UNcensored said “What does this man do for his $2.5 Million?”. He can’t even watch the game that he has “free seats” to. I’ve been to some FSU games in my day pretty inebriated and can recall more then this guy. I would hate to have a job in the booster office next year if the university does not do what needs to be done.

by steveNole on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

New Feature

This is awesome….
Comedy & Tragedy!!!
Listening to Jim Rome.
Question: Should Bobby be allowed to stay or does he have to go???
Answer: Bobby should be allowed to stay as long as he wants. — signed parents who say “I brought you into this world, so I can take you out!”
Hilarious.

vn.

by vegasnole on Nov 10, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Just remember...

His age has absolutely nothing to do with the performance and results on the field. Ab-so-lute-ly NOTHING to do with it.

Meanwhile, FSU Athletics has sent a complaint to the Clemson AD because there was no chilled Ensure nor was there a diaper changing station in the visiting head coach’s office Saturday evening as request by FSU.

by coonhound on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

Can’t wait for the nightmare season to be over. Can’t wait to see the offseason changes reining in (assuming fsun’s predictions abt the offseason come true). Love to see the kids fighting inspite of all this. This builds character and with good coaching, these kids should be better off. Fsu doesn’t owe anything to BB, but from season to season they owe it to these kids, the fans and the public( trust me, I live in Texas and a lot of neutral fans love fsu over other teams).

by DesiNole on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Good Stuff

I guess I allowed my eyes to deceive me on the defense. I thought the first half they were actually playing pretty decent and making some plays. But then seeing the numbers, I guess I was just having a moment of false hope.

by TimScribble on Nov 10, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

You know, I know our D stunk it up but I'm not happy with the deflection of blame for the offense

I am as big of a Jimbo/CP fan as it gets, but the D was giving the offense a lot of chances to score and put the game away and we just could not capitalize. You can point at the numbers all you want, but the defense gave us a shot early and we squandered it. The fumble by Thompson, the int in the redzone (a forced throw that should have never been made) and the drive-killing -14 yard reverse really killed scoring opportunities.

Eventually the D was going to crumble, but whether by luck or not they did plenty for us to win this game. Miami just got done putting up 37 on them, but we only managed 17 offensive points. That’s a mediocre game all the way.

I know CP was hurt and all, but I’d like to see a little more acknowledgment that the offense didn’t do its job. That won’t take away from the fact BB is incompetent and so is the defense.

by pbysh on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Well CU at home is a completely different animal, particularly at night.

TCU managed 14 points
Wake managed 3
BC gained I think 55 TOTAL yards.

I’m not happy with that the offense did but it is about what I expected.

And putting the game away also implies that the D was in any way going to stop Clemson from scoring, which wasn’t realistic. Clemson screwed around for a bit but whenever they did anything right they scored.

I think the Thompson fumble was the worst turnover we had.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 10, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree. This was like the USF game where both sides of the ball deserve blame.

by lul on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you have become to accustomed to the offense running at optimal performance

They did a good job of keeping our defense of the field. In the last 10 minutes of the 1st half they held the ball for all but 3. In the 3rd quarter they held the ball for 11:21. The 4th quarter was a disaster but what would you expect from a QB who is playing with 3 cracked ribs who was obviously pressing because he knew that there was NO chance that the defense was going to bail them out.

They did make mistakes but again I think you became spoiled by them and are overlooking that with any type of defense whatsoever we win the game.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 10, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense definetly deserves the majority of the blame. All I’m saying is you have to concede the turnovers didn’t help us win.

by lul on Nov 10, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they didn't but when do they ever help?

You can’t expect our offense to be flawless over the course of a 12 game season especially against the level of competition we now face.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 10, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They turned the ball over more than any other team.

by lul on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

They also moved the ball

And they scored more points than anyone had against the Tigers in Clemson…

by Bud Elliott on Nov 10, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Roster Advantage

Clemson just on defense has 15 jr. and sr., most of whom are redshirted. We have like 4 on offense that actually contribute. In fact I bet if you add the upperclassmen on out team that actually contribute it would not even equal the upperclassmen that play on Clemson’s defense. Clemson had a decisive physical advantage. The fact that we were beating them for 3 quarters and were not getting obliterated physically is encouraging for the future. Imagine what our guys would be like if they had an extra two to three years in a college strength/conditioning program. I bet we would have won that game despite the non-existent coaching on defense.

by revival on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I sometimes struggle with titles

Because a lot of readers put a disproportionate amount of emphasis on them. I chose this one because Bowden, probably because of his sideline disagreements w/ Fisher, was pissed at Jimbo and wanted to throw the man under the bus because he feels that he got his son fired and tried to steal the WVU job (which he thought was rightfully Terry;s, laughably).

Of course I’ll concede that the turnovers didn’t help us win. But I think the offense did about the best they could do given the circumstances.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You should have gone with “Coach-Speak: He said what?!?!”

by evenflow58 on Nov 10, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

BB

worries about everything except how win a football game. I will be so happy to see him leave. He and his wife have shown an unbelievable amount of arrogance the last few years and even more now as the reigns are being tightened around him. You can tell he doesn’t like it.

There hasn’t been much from her after telling the boosters Jim Smith betrayed them. Somebody must have told her to zip it.

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 10, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think

Healthy Ponder = Better chance, less picks.

by Scalpemall on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you’d find many people that would argue that but that wasn’t a possability. The biggest problem I had with this game is that the offense has bailed out the defense for most every game this year and when the defense really needs to step up, when they know going into the game they are going to have to step up, they give squat. I’m not blaming the players as much as I am the coaches with that comment.

by evenflow58 on Nov 10, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

When JF said
Physical stature. Size does matter. He is big and athletic. Big guys don’t move like he does. I saw a winner in him. (Coach Fisher on EJ Manuel). EJ can be a great player, and I think he will be in the future (Coach Fisher comments on EJ).

He was saying how he reads what TN says and agrees with us.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure I agree here

Correct me if I’m wrong, but “Size Matters” is a defensive theme, and way more important on that side of the ball. I think he’s saying EJ’s a big guy, but he’s still got agility you wouldn’t expect from a guy of his build.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 10, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

damn it

thats like the third time i’ve done that on here. Sorry Des. I’ve got to stop devoting so much time to work.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 10, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

jesus christ

how can anyone watch this press conference and NOT want bobby gone? this is flat out embarrassing. he has no idea what happened in that game. im ashamed of this program right now.

by Snyde on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely

I can’t believe that he said that he didn’t keep up, that he had no idea that we were winning all the way into the 4th quarter. It’s time for the man to leave. If he has no idea whats going on then quit playing games and get him out of there. We have been “rebuilding” for 8 years now. It took Nick Saban 2 years to turn Bama around and Urban Myer won a national championship in his 2nd season. Let Fisher take over and lets see what the man can do. I believe it’s time

by zachhoop27 on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

folks bobby hasnt had a clue as to whats going on in the program since 98….we masked his downfalls with excellent players and Micky Andrews….I no longer want to see bobby on the sidelines for FSU because when I look at what Nick Saben, Les Miles, Rich Rod, etc. get into the game I just know that makes a HUGE difference.

1 Question…When Jimbo came to FSU what was his expectation on when he would be the HC?

by Fredric on Nov 10, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Well he signed a contract that would make him the HC in 5 years so I would guess that that was his expectation. Of course he signed that after 1 year in so what his initial expectation was is hard to say. I would say that Les Miles did us a favor and kind of ran Fisher out of town. Fisher was looking for a place to land and FSU is a pretty good one when you consider the resources it has. I believe it’s the same reason that Muschamp agreed to that ridulous deal at TX. Not many places can offer a big time program in the middle of a recruiting hot bet like that.

by evenflow58 on Nov 10, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Scary

Watching Bowden speak is becoming more and more tiresome and mind boggling. Looking forward to future editions of Coach Speak although I think calling Bowden a coach at this point is using the term loosely. Thanks Uncensored.

by 1newplayer on Nov 10, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

To throw salt in the wounds

Here is a clip of a coach who has a clear understanding of what is going on and is in complete control of his team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNMIYvT0MLc

He is completely aware of his player’s injuries and their status. He knows the score at certain points in the game as well as TOP for a quarter. He realizes where his team lacks depth and recognizes what needs to be done to rectify that.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 10, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

he also knows body temp of guys that have fevers

and on what days during the week things happened. Yeah…I cant wait for our head coach to know what day it is.

by Miaminole on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

If Bobby doesn't want to leave football, why not just go get a job as a TV analyst?

If he’s not in control and can’t recall what just happened, he should pass the baton to Jimbo and go do something else. Some of the pattycake interviews are because the media loved Bowden. I think the media still loves him, which is why they are doing him a favor by trying to make Bowden realize his own shortcomings in interviews of late. They are doing him a favor if they can make him realize how much he has lost mentally and get him to announce he is choosing to retire rather than have an ugly negative media war where Bowden gets forced out.

I don’t actually think anyone in the media would want him as an analyst because he has lost so much mentally. It’s something he should’ve considered long ago. maybe he was trying to outlast Joe Pa. Maybe he wanted to use his past success to help his friends and family.

by NoleLaw on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

If Jim Donnan can do College Football analysis and get paid for it...

Anyone can.

That man is still working on the same run-on sentence he started back in ’94.

by coonhound on Nov 10, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Turnovers were a big factor

Regardless of how many yards the defense gave up or how many points Clemson left on the board (had they lost they could have pointed to that), FSU was still leading the game in the 4th qtr and could have led by more.

by nolestuff on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

The game was a hell of a lot closer than the score indicated. This game was full of big plays and big mistakes. They capitalized, we didn’t. Now i will admit im past being eager for the future. Folks, we have Clemson fans looking down their nose at us. This is difficult to stomach.I watched the 99 Sugar bowl last night and it was nice to have that reminder of where we were( and can get back to) We all know where it has to start(sometime this winter hopefully)

by Scalpemall on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think the media soft plays Bobby because they want him to stay

The secretly hate FSU

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

Bobby could be no worse than Lou Holtz

by Fredric on Nov 10, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

Bud, you missed a golden opportunity for another cutting remark.

From Mickey’s presser:

“There is not one game this season that we have played a team that hasn’t had a good quarterback”.

Really, Mickey? Really?
Do you remember playing against a QB on a Thursday night?
Hints: His name rhymes with “Norman Bates”.
He scored his first rushing TD of the year on a 14-yard scramble.

And we were fortunate to give up only ~480 yards against Clempson. Parker and his receivers (especially the tight ends) had several miscues in the passing game. Multiple wide-open, drive extending passes were dropped and thrown poorly. No matter how the cookie crumbles, we seem to always end up approaching 500 yards allowed. Call it Amato’s Theory of Irrelativity.

by The K-Man on Nov 11, 2009 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

They just referenced the comments on PTI

The national media is FINALLY beginning to get it. Even with that though, they made sure to say even though he should retire, he shouldnt be pushed out.

by Miaminole on Nov 11, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

I saw on twitter that they were going to talk about it

But I couldn’t get to a TV. What did they say?

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 11, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Just going off of memory

Basically said that BB not knowing the score wasn’t anything new, he had been doing the same thing for the past 25 years and that a lot of coaches do not know the score at certain points of the game. Compared him to Paterno. Kornheiser said that he is pretty much hands off at this point and is not in the day to day and game planning portion of things. Wilbon said he can do a lot of things at 80 years old but he is not sure that running a football program is the best thing. They both agreed that it is better for him to going out gracefully (on his own terms) as opposed to being ‘pushed out’ and that this gives him opponents lots of ammo on why a change is needed.

It seemed like they were leaning towards the fact it is time for him to go. Also mentioned Corey Clark’s TD article.

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by RaysnNoles on Nov 11, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

They discussed those comments on ‘around the horn’ as well. All the “experts” kinda agree that he is way past his prime and were saying he shud bow out gracefully rather than being disgraced and pushed out. Jay mariotti actually made a reference to the CEO comment saying it’s ridiculous for a CEO to not know game scores and who was leading at what time. Happy to see the media acknowledging what we all have been seeing for so long. I hope they keep harping on this on more espn shows!

by DesiNole on Nov 11, 2009 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Mea Culpa

I have defended Coach Bowden here out of absolute blind loyalty, Had a few heated words with some of you over the old boy.
I came back to this board to say I was wrong.
I never agreed with the blackout, but I have said many times Coach should leave on his own terms because he’s earned it. I believed it with my all of my heart and remain grateful to him for building the Seminole program. But enough is enough.
I finally realize – just because some one drives you across the country, to a destination you wouldn’t have reached with out them, that does not give them the right to then drive you off a cliff once you get there.
Bobby Bowden, at one time, was the greatest head coach in college football. I think he reached his peak of coaching a few years before actually winning the NC. He achieved those trophies as payback for the years he was denied, reaching the plateau of the game on sheer momentum and the recruiting that came with it. Players, his body of work and good assistants got him to the top.
He just didn’t know when to quit.
It should have been nine years ago.
That would have shown us all that he truly loved what he had built and was not such a narcissist to believe it could only function with him at the helm.
He doesn’t know what is going on. His coaches are an odd ensemble of egos and a clash of old thought versus new. His players, and Christian Ponder is a great example, are dedicated, fine young men who’s hard work and effort deserve better tutelage. Having their prime college football years washed away in incompetence and dementia is disrespectful to their efforts. It’s not fair to their parents or the fans. It is a selfish act on the part of Coach Bowden.
As a hard core Nole, I regret jumping to his defense over the last few years. But what regret most is seeing him become a man I always thought he would never be: one who puts himself above the program he has said he loved.
You guys were right. I was wrong.
I hope we can recover from this one day soon.

by mudra on Nov 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Takes a big man

to admit he had a change of heart.

But Bowden still has a chance to have a semi-graceful exit by not making ill-advised comments when he leaves.

And I think you’re spot on that his best work was the late 80’s.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 11, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

We have all been there man

Some were more attached to Bobby then others. It isnt easy seeing someone get knocked off the pedestal.

GO NOLES

by Miaminole on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sad

Loyalty means a lot to me. But at some point I would like to see Coach realize he is hurting the program and the most loyal and decent thing he could do is walk away. Were he not surrounded by yes people who actually cared about him and not the money train, he would have been taken aside years ago when the dementia came and told the truth.
For years, I would always say, if you had a kid heading off to play college football, who would you rather turn him over to, a jerk like Spurrier or a class act like Bowden. That was a lay-up.
Now, with a 16 year old son, who hopefully, will be recruited by some schools in a year or so, I could not in good conscience advise him to go to FSU. That’s sad, but it’s the truth.
I’d like a head coach to care enough to know and remember players names, injuries and while I’m at it, the score of the game.
That’s not asking too much.

by mudra on Nov 12, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been where you are

2005, I think. It’s a tough place.

by PBD on Nov 13, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

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