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For Entertainment Purposes Only- Week 11: 380-320, +38.60 Plus: Will FSU Make A Bowl?

Note:  I use this column to examine the college football landscape and the weekend ahead.  The use of gambling numbers helps to show the public perception of a team and of their respective conferences.  Even if you don't gamble, or are against gambling, this is worth a read solely because it will keep you informed of the happenings with many of college football's teams.  Think of this as your weekend primer!

Welcome to another edition of For Entertainment Purposes Only!  Last year, this rather informal column went 251-190 (57%) +41.0 That's 251 wins and 190 losses for a winning percentage of 57%.  If you were wagering $100 fake dollars per game, you would have netted $4100 at season's end.  But since these are fake wagers, I refer to our wager amount as "units."  First though, a disclaimer: 

I want to emphasize that I don't endorse gambling, and anything on here is for entertainment purposes only.  Always check with your local, state, or federal laws to determine the legality of wagering.

First I discussed some wagers for conference and division winners. Then I went over season win totals.  Vegas set the number, I called it over or under!  In Week 1 I went 20-24 (45%), -6.3 Units.  Week 2 I went 42-25 (63%), +16.32 Units.  Week 3 was 34-27. +4.50 (+5.7 College, -1.2 NFL)Week 4 was 50-34, +13.62  Week 5 I went 50-33 (60%) for +17.48 Units (25-31, -4.42 College, and 24-2, +21.9 Units in the NFL).  Week 6 I went 27-21 (56%) +4.23 , Week 7 I went 39-38 (51%), -1.35.  Week 8, I got crushed, going 46-60, -19.25.  Week 9 went 37-28, +7.9  Last week I went 35-31, +1.45 Units.  For the season, I sit at 380-320, +38.60.  If I finish at 55% over 500 selections, I'll be absolutely elated.  I like to play a lot of games to grind out the variance.  The swings over 500 games aren't nearly as dramatic as they are over 100.  It's as simple as grinding out the sample set.  Keep in mind that I have hit some ML Dogs, so the ROI is higher than the percentage would indicate (currently, return on investment is exactly 5.0%).

This week, I'll discuss which games I bet on Sunday night when the opening lines come out, and which games I decided to wait out in pursuit of a more favorable line.  But this week also features something special- a breakdown of FSU's bowl chances.  

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Alright, so the question is, will Florida State make a bowl game?  A team must have 6 wins to reach a bowl game and only one of those wins can come against  Division 1AA program.  FSU sits at 4-5 and they already have their 1AA win (Jax State). That means they need two more.  Will they get them? 

The remaining games are this weekend at Wake Forest, next weekend hosting Maryland, and the following weekend against Florida in the Swamp.  Are there two wins there for the 'Noles? 

To answer that question, let's turn to one of my favorite pieces I have ever authored:  Using Proportional Win Shares to Craft Realistic Projections.  It was a piece over the summer and chances are you have not read it.  So if you would, check that out and then click back.  This will make a lot more sense if you read it. 

As the article tells us, we need to determine the point spreads for the games before we can convert them into a winning percentage or a proportional win share. 

The line for Wake Forest is already out.  The Deacons are favored over the 'Noles by 4.5 points.  We know that by converting it (remember the linked article), that FSU will win this game about 35% of the time.  Not to be crass, but please don't turn this article into a debate over the chance to win any individual game.  We're using the Vegas spread, which is incredibly accurate.  And yes, the line obviously factors Christian Ponder's absence into the equation.

So how about Maryland and UF?  Let's do UF first because we have available data on them.  The line for the UF-FSU game is UF by 24 (and yes, you should absolutely bet UF right now because it will likely be much higher by game time.  Similar lines this week include Indiana @ Pittsburgh, and Texas @ Baylor.  (Thanks Coach Bowden, your selfishness and senility has us as a similar underdog as Indiana or Penn State). But what does that imply for a chance to win?  You might be surprised, but that gives FSU about a 7% chance to beat UF in the swamp.  Now, that still means that the 'Nole's will get blown out more than half the time, but there is a 7% chance and for accounting purposes, we cannot ignore that chance.

Which brings us to the Maryland game, the only remaining contest without an available line.  Maryland is a bad team.  Their offense is a significant step below FSU's even without Ponder, their defense isn't a lot better and their special teams are horrid.  And the game is in DSC Stadium.  But we don't know if the team will have quit (if they lose to Wake, I'd expect an underwhelming senior day).  They were 7.5 point underdogs to NC State last weekend at NCST and now they are 17.5 point home underdogs to Virginia Tech.  I expect FSU to be a touchdown favorite, which means they will be about 70% likely to win.

So we have 35%, 70%, and 7%.  Together, that's 112% (or 1.12)  So FSU is projected to win 1.12 remaining games.  Obviously, we can't win 1.12 games.  So let's look at the individual possibilities:

  • Beat Wake, Beat Maryland, Beat Florida:  1.7%
  • Beat Wake, Beat Maryland, Lose Florida:  23%
  • Beat Wake, Lose Maryland, Beat Florida:  1%
  • Lose Wake, Beat Maryland, Beat Florida:  3%

Any other combination means FSU doesn't go to a bowl game.  So the 'Noles have a 29% chance of making a bowl game.  That's not something I would bank on, and as you can see, they really must beat Wake & Maryland to have any realistic shot at making a bowl.

Does FSU really want to make a bowl game?  Personally, I don't give a damn about bowl games.  I want to compete for championships.  Caring about silly stuff like wins records and bowl streaks got FSU to where it currently is.  Rooting for your team to miss a bowl game can be seeing the forest from the trees. 

 

On to this Week's picks...

I have bad reads on this week, but on Sunday night, I hit:

Bowling Green -3 I accidentally bet this and will have to eat it.  Miami(OH) is a better team.
Louisville -6.5    This is now 7 or 8 everywhere and I can't believe they released it at 6.5, 'Cuse is a bad team
Indiana +21.5    This was a miss by me as Penn State had lots of backers
Wake Forest -3.5    Hit this before the Ponder announcement ;)
Clemson -6    I plan to middle, but Clemson should be favored by more from the onset.
Kentucky -3.5    Don't really like this one anymore. 
Ole Miss -3    The Tennessee love fest is a bit much, don't you think?
UAB -1.5  I don't like this anymore, as nobody is backing Memphis.  I might get off it.
Boise -28  This was great.  Line is now over 30.
Stanford +12  Good hit, Stanford still struggles for respect. 
UNC +4  Miami could go down this weekend.  That team just doesn't like those late season colder games. 
Arkansas -14  This one scares me, I am probably underrating Troy.

And here is what I added yesterday

Ball State +17.5  I've done well on/ against N. Illinois, and I think they are probably inflated by  TD.
Miami (OH) +3.5 -105  I made up for the mistake wager and can't lose both. 
Toledo +17.5 +100... ouch, already a loss, they got killed last night.
USF -1 +103    Rutgers never turned it on this year.  USF is well rested and their DLine balls out here.
Akron +4.5 +105  Never thought I'd see the day where Temple is a public favorite!
Cinci -9  WVU isn't well coached and Cinci won't hesitate to run it up.
UVA +4.5 -105  Boston College isn't much of a road team. 
Illinois -4  Northwestern is now only catching 4 just because they beat Iowa?  Come on.
FSU Over 57  The defense should give up 40 by itself...
Wisconsin -9.5 +105  Michigan might be falling apart
Purdue +3  Loved Purdue all year
Baylor +24  Texas isn't elite. 
Va Tech -17  Look for VTech to win by 24... or lose outright.
EMU +12 +100  I've gone against them L2W, but this week they are the play.  Directional Michigan laying DD's?  Please.
New Mexico +27  Fading BYU again.

SMU -7  UTEP is living off their Houston win, June Jones can coach. 
Pitt -7    Notre Dame is almost always inflated.  Pitt has a QB and a decent defense.
Arizona +2  Cal w/.o best?  I'll play Zona, which is a team I really like. 
Arizona State +17.5 +100  Hmm..Oregon can't stop anybody but they sure can score.
Missouri PK -105  I don't really like KSU.
Rice -2.5  Rice is the truth!  Battle of country's 2 worst teams (w/ Tulane)
UNLV +17
UCF +5 +100
Wyoming +7.5
WKU +21.5  Thought I swore off the sunbelt, guess now.

 

More NFL to come later.

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You've been pimping Rice all year!

I like wvu +9. Too much talent and I think a qb controversy is the last thing cinci needed.

My other plays:
Okie State -4 over texas tech
Byu -27 over new mexico. (New mexico’s D is scary bad)
Alabama -12. I think they make statement against miss st

by Zach_Nole on Nov 12, 2009 10:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Cincy Doesn't have a qb controversy

Brian Kelly is the coach and what he says goes…. That team looks legit and WVU will be on the road…the only road game WVU won was @ Syracuse and they lost by double digits in both the other ones.

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Nov 12, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I just think that if Zach Collares (sp?) has a bad first few series

He will get paranoid and Kelly will have a decision to make.
I still like West Virginia’s talent on offense to score points on Cincy.

Kelly is a significantly better coach than Stewart though, so taking WVU is obviously risky.

by Zach_Nole on Nov 12, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Increasing/maintaining my inteligence on a daily basis: TN

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

well you might not care about the bowl but they do help out sometimes

with recruiting and it is a chance for FSU to show they (and the ACC) are better than other conf. like we did with Wis last year. If we get a bowl Im sure it will be a better one than we need to be in because FSU + bowl game = ratings and money. the Team get more practice time for next year. the team gets treated kinda nice for all there hard work throw the season. For the players I hope we make it. For the coaches I could care less.

now If we didnt go to the bowl game there is some + too. The coaches can hit the road and get some very good recruiting time in. They can get the next group of coaches in and get ideas for the plans for next years Def. The Players can get so time off from football and focus more on school (even though school will be out soon) and have more time for the gym for STR and Con.

I hope we get a bowl about 75% the other 25% I want to get bb out as fast as posable and I think if we dont it might be faster.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 12, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Even for the defense under these coaches?

This has always been my thought: the defensive guys aren’t getting better under the current coaches, and the offense brings almost everyone back next year and wouldn’t have their starting QB to practice with them anyway. I’m not seeing a big plus for more practice time this year—at least not one that outweighs getting coaches in and out of here and hitting the recruiting trail.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If we dont make a bowl this year will we get new coaches any faster than if we did.

Thats all I need to know to be able to tell you if I want us to make a bowl or not. Now coaches faster no bowl, same time might as well make a bowl.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 12, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to win...

I want to win all three game left so I want to go to a bowl game.

However, I do realize that if we were able to pull a UT and overhaul a coaching staff in between the end of the season and bowl season, we would be able to still keep FSU in the minds of recruits and we would have a better chance and allowing recruits to realize that FSU is headed in a different direction…. As soon as recruits here some concrete information about the change of FSU’s direction I think the high profile names would be more then likely follow suit and line up.

We could even snag a few that weren’t on the radar because of the new guy we bring in… and maybe bring back some of those decommits… Who knows

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Nov 12, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

FSUn, you know you're my bro and all, with all due respect, and with all that good stuff out of the way, here is where you and I disagree. While there is no right or wrong answer, this is my POV.
Does FSU really want to make a bowl game? Personally, I don’t give a damn about bowl games. I want to compete for championships. Caring about silly stuff like wins records and bowl streaks got FSU to where it currently is. Rooting for your team to miss a bowl game can be seeing the forest from the trees.

I agree that we should be competing for championships. No debate there.

A) Wins, records, and streaks are what made FSU a national powerhouse and helped us achieve our 14 year dynasty, but I don’t think that has anything to do with where our program currently is. The only common denominator is Bowden wanting 400 wins and the most wins records, but his hiring decisions are what caused us to be where we are today. I would be OK leaving him in Tally while the rest of the team travels, but that is not a option.
Therefore, no negatives, IMO.

2) A bowl, no matter how insignificant, is a reward for the players who have been working their asses off for the past 9 months trying to bring FSU back into prominence. It is a thank you to the players for the effort. F*ck the coaches. I want a bowl to thank the players for their contributions to our program despite the fact that our season sucked. I want a bowl so that the youger players know what they need to do to go to a better bowl next year. IMO, they deserve to go to a bowl and play, instead of watching teams that we should have been better than, and that we should have beaten, on TV over the holidays. There is no down side to going to a bowl and it will probably not cost us any money when you subtract the expenses from the payout. The extra practice time, while it may not do anything for the D, will not hurt either side of the ball and can only help.
Therefore, no negatives, IMO.

D) Most of the Defensive coaches we are considering hiring will be playing in bowls. While there is a month where we can interview and negotiate behind closed doors with their agents, MOST of these coaches would not be able to step foot on campus until after the first week in Jan at the earliest due to their bowls and the holidays.
Therefore, no negatives, IMO.

VII) While it may not mean much to you and others, I want to keep the bowl streak alive and going on 28 because that is really all we have at this time, and probably just as important, I don’t want the f*cking gaturds to have any chance of getting it. I think we will continue going to bowls every year in the future under Jimbo and with the relative ease it is to get into a bowl nowadays, there is no reason we can’t maintain this streak for a long time to come.
Therefore, no negatives, IMO.

玖) I don’t want a losing season. Again, screw Bowden, I don’t want FSU to have a losing season on the books as a alumni and as one that bleeds G & G.

Of course if your percentages are correct, and if we don’t beat Wake and Maryland, this is all a moot point, but I just had to offer a different perspective than yours on why I think we should hope for a bowl, even though it is totally out of our control.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Nov 13, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

What recruit wants to go to a school that can’t even make a bowl game? And wouldn’t it be the sh!t if we made a bowl appearance with the worst D in FSU history by far? Damn!

by NoleLaw on Nov 14, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

NFL

Wash +4.5 +100
Pittsburgh -7 +100
STL +14 +100
Oakland -2 -105
Mia -10 -105
Sea +9 +105
Green Bay +3 +100
San Diego -1 +105
IND -2

NYJ Under 41
WAS Over 36.5
PIT Under 42
BUF Over 41
MIN Over 47
CAR Under 44
MIA Under 43.5
SD Under 47

6pt +100 2-team teasers
Tenn -1.5 Carolina +8.5
Tenn -1.5 KC +8
Tenn -1.5 PHI +7.5
Tenn -1.5 Arizona -2.5
Tenn -1.5 NE +8.5

Carolina +8.5 KC +8
Carolina +8.5 PHI +7.5
Carolina +8.5 Arizona -2.5
Carolina +8.5 NE +8.5

KC +8 PHI +7.5
KC +8 Arizona -2.5
KC +8 NE +8.5

PHI +7.5 Arizona -2.5
PHI +7.5 NE +8.5

Arizona -2.5 NE +8.5

by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Ball State +14.5 +100
Miami (OH) +4
Carolina Panthers -3 -115
Colorado +18

by Bud Elliott on Nov 18, 2009 3:00 AM EST reply actions  

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