Jimbo Fisher Gets Freshman QB EJ Manuel Ready as 'Noles Stomp Wake Forest 41-28
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2009 3:24 PM EST
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PrintNot many expected much from Florida State without their all-star quarterback Christian Ponder as the 'Noles rode into Wake Forest to face the Deacons on senior day. But the 'Noles offense didn't skip a beat. Florida State offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher got redshirt freshman E.J. Manuel ready to go. Fisher gave the freshman safe throws and some designed runs to ease him into the game. Manuel played well and didn't try to do too much. Importantly, he didn't have any bone-headed fumbles or dumb throws into the flat. His play-fakes were exceptional as Fisher called bootleg after bootleg. Wake's defense bought the fake repeatedly, especially in the first half, and Manuel completed multiple safe throws. He got the ball to his playmakers in spacem and they made plays. It's not an official stat, but FSU's wideouts had a ton of yards after the catch as Manuel went 15-20 for 221 yards with 1 TD and 1 Interception.
And those play-fakes were largely effective because the 'Nole's sensational running game was dominant. The 'Nole's excellent offensive line paved the way for 226 yards on 40 carries, an average of 5.7 yards per carry. FSU milked the clock when they had the ball and were excellent on 3rd down because they rarely put themselves in 3rd-and-long situations. Sophomore running back Jermaine Thomas had 148 yards on 25 carries, a 5.9 average per rush. He scored one touchdown and did not fumble.
Florida State's offense put up 439 yards on 61 plays, an exceptional average of 7.2 per play. That mark was 10% better than anyone had put on Wake Forest. Florida State also became the first team to score 40 points on the Deacons. And those numbers are even a bit misleading, as Florida State was averaging 8.3 yards-per-snap of the ball midway through the 3rd quarter, a truly exceptional mark.
And for the first time this season, Florida State's defense helped out the offense. It was well publicized that the Seminole defense might have been the worst in the country. Going into this contest, they had allowed every opponent to post their season high in Points, Yards, or Yards-per-play:
But the defense forced two turnovers, and Wake did not obliterate their previous season highs. The Deacons 6.6 yards per play was close to their season best, but when an offense is rocking like FSU's, the defense just needs to avoid being horrible. Wake managed 454 yards on 69 plays, for 28 points. And with this year's unit, that is a win.
Florida State's special teams also pitched in in a big way. Freshman Greg Reid took a punt return back for a score to make the game 31-7, and freshman kicker Dustin Hopkins had 4 touchbacks on kickoffs. FSU did not allow Wake Forest to start a drive outside of their own 40 yard line. Making big plays and being solid in all the other areas makes for a winning special teams combination.
Florida State went from being favored to not make a bowl to now being favored to make a bowl game. A win over Maryland will do it for the 'Noles.
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EJ sounds pretty good for a first time post game interview.
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Yes he did
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Did anyone else hear
Bobby say " We didn’t want to put the whole game on the back of Emanuel."
Emanuel. Guess he’s already thinking about his sermon tomorrow.
So if ...
BC beats Virginia today and then beats Maryland next week
then and Virginia beats Clemson next week would it be BC in the ACC CG or Clemson?
I would much rather see BC go the Clemson…
Doesn't matter
Either one will embarrass the conference in a BCS game. One month to prepare for GT’s triple opt and Dabo will some how manage to to get the tigers to flop.
Wait, seriously?
You do realize LSU didn’t beat GT by killing the triple, they did it by killing GT’s defense and 2 special teams turnovers.
I started watching that game in the second qtr so I'll concede.
However, I still believe Clemson will mentally flop against a non-ACC opponent.
Excluding FSU, VT, and Miami,
What and when was the biggest non-conference win an ACC team has had?
GTech
stomped Miss. St better than anyone had done and stomped Vandy worse than anyone.
UNC destroyed ECU and beat UConn in their place…
ACC has been great in the non-conference for the most part.
Signiture wins
The lack of big time wins outside the conference is what does not inspire confidence that these teams(out side the three I mentioned) will have good showings against a non-conference opponent. It’s different when you play an opponent every year and get use to their style compared to playing a school who’s style is unfamiliar. I believe success against the latter is harder because it requires a team to execute their system well, in stead of only designing their system to beat a team they play every year.
I forgot about the GT/Miss St. game, so maybe they will represent the conference well.
Not to mention
the ACC essentially has owned the Big 12 going 6-2 against them since the beginning of last season. It’s the western conferences like the Pac 10 and the Mountain West that give the ACC problems in general.
wakes win over the Trees
very impressive imo
by rocknrollnole on Nov 14, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
LSU's athletic D-linemen
They lined one man 1 yrd off the line and were stepping over GT’s cut blocks. I think that played a significant role in disrupting their offense. I don’t remember GT getting big yards pitching the ball until LSU put in their back-ups.
atleast a Clemson - GT game might mean fans at the game
If BC gets into the ACC title game again over half the stadium will be empty again.
I agree
Clem-GT would be a way better matchup. Better for the ACC, better for Tampa, better for everyone!
To Corso and the Gameday panel:
Bite Me
To all the negativity that keeps me out of the comment sections now, I’ll take the high road.
Peace Out
A lot of people on TN were predicting Wake too
With our D, without Ponder, with the uncertainty of how EJ would do, with Wake’s home record, with Wake having won 3 in a row against FSU, with Wake losing 5 gaems by a total of 13, and with Wake hungry for a win after a 4 game losing streak, the safe money was on Wake
I thought their gameplan sucked.
Maybe it was just poorly executed. They looked flat like FSU did against USF. Maybe they just have a broken spirit after losing so many close ones. I’m surprised they didn’t bring more heat on EJ to force EJ to make decisions. I’m also surprised we ran so well against them when everyone was predicting they’d have 8 in the box all game long and we really didn’t challenge them deep. WTF?
Spurlock is one guy I was high on as a recruit
But I think he’s really learned some self-control and better technique this year, and is really becoming a mauler at RG.
aww the negativity keeps you away
How have we ever survived without you?
I wish I could pick and choose when I posted so that it always fit my agenda.
by MattDNole on Nov 14, 2009 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Update on Hudson?
Did anyone hear anything else about Hudson after he went out. I dont remeber him coming back in or anything being said about it again.
Not good
Was hoping I just missed him coming back in the game.
by BhamSeminole on Nov 14, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
He got his knee rolled up on
Hopefully just a strain. I thought Brandon Davis filled in well for him. Played with a lot of aggression.
Virtually flawless gameplan by Fisher
The o-line and Jermaine made it easy I guess, but I was impressed.
Sucks for me
I had a 7 month old Seagate hard drive die yesterday and I lost all the games I recorded this season :( That will teach me for not backing them up on the NAS
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 14, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
I missed every single big play. All of them.
I'm not sure if he had a concussion or not
I just can’t believe he didn’t fumble
I cringed when I saw how he reached out for the ball, looked completely out of it.
Fortson looked like Hines Ward on that play.
did anyone see jahvid best get hurt? Very scary looking injury
by NorthernHaze on Nov 15, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate the Canes
like I hate the gaters. Grew up in Miami. Evacuated before high school so I do at least respect them… a little. As much as you can respect a bunch of heathens.
Right now, I’m just a huge Gamecock fan.
truth is
They can both hurt us in recruiting. Miami more so…so I guess.
Oh well. I guess I am just punch drunk from actually seeing us win a game.
I think the team can beat Maryland, but not sure about UF
I think our defense will make UF’s pretty pedestrian offense of this year come alive. I am also scared that a conservative game plan like today’s against UF’s defense will not be enough to keep it from being a blowout. The last two years UF has gotten to face FSU’s offense minus its starting QB. I am not sure how much of a difference it would have made last year, but I think it could have made a difference this year. Just having Maryland to practice against before UF is not enough for Manuel.
We're not going to try to win the game
Trust me. The plan will be to keep the clock moving even when we are losing.
i.e. The Tennessee Gameplan
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
i was at the game
Small gripe, I hate that we go I formation on second or third and short. We absolutely destroy defenses out of the 3 or 4 wide sets. We can run at will, or they leave our wr’s on an island.
Other than that, Jimbo is an amazing play caller. That was just a tremendous offensive performance, and an incredible day by our OL. I have often critcized McMahon, but he played tremendous as did the entire line. Hudson is simply a treat to watch.
I tell you what guys, if we are really able to pull in a great D staff, we will be very, very good next year. Our offense is Elite….we really are. I think we have enough players on D that will respond to coaching. We need to close recruiting with a bang. Joyner,Jones, and Deas would make us a legitimate title contender next year…completely serious in saying that. Our offense is spectacular.
by Zach_Nole on Nov 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nothing gets the Kool-Aid confidence going...
…Like pushing 7-year old Wake kids down the stairs, throwing your shoe at Jim Grobe, and puking all over Wake’s bathrooms. Keep the party going, Zach_Nole.
(Disclaimer: not being serious)
by The K-Man on Nov 14, 2009 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
other thoughts
- Rod Owens is clutch, what a year he has had
- Fortson is a future first round pick if he applies himself
- Brandon Jenkins may be the best defensive end on our roster
- Greg Reid needs more snaps on D, period.
- Bradham is playing at a high level, and will be incredible once he gets proper coaching
- Lonnie Pryor is playing way above my expectations.
- Mangum did not make any inexcusable errors this game, but he is still the worst player to ever start for FSU
by Zach_Nole on Nov 14, 2009 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder what our D would be ranked without mangum
It seems like he is always worth anywhere from 7-21 pts for the other team.
...on a play where he got gobbled up and the RB ran through the secondary untouched.
..on the very next play after the personal foul.
by The K-Man on Nov 14, 2009 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We won because of Winston Churchill !
I had a dream last night that the Spirit of Churchill possessed Jimbo and spoke this pre game speech…
As spoken by the spirit of Curchill through Jimbo Fisher~
"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our honor, to ride out this game for a full 60 Mins ( I prefer 9.3), and to outlive the menace of negativity, if necessary with broken bones, if necessary while blind.
At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of True Seminoles every man of them. That is the will of Tomahawk Nation.
The Offense and the Defense, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the end our dignity in this dark our darkest season aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.
Even though we have lost home game to teams that used to tremble at the mere thought of facing us, and gave up huge plays to teams with slower smaller and lesser athletes, we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight for 60 minutes,
we shall fight on offense and defense,
we shall pass with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our honor, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on third and long,
we shall fight on special teams,
we shall fight in the field when in the red zone,
we shall fight with unwavering will and determination;
we shall never surrender,
and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Team or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Tomahawk Nation from all over the world will lend support through faith in our UNCONQURED SPIRIT , armed with the Spear, and Tomahawk Chop and guarded by Chief Osceola and Renegade, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the Defensive coordinator and coaching staff, with all their power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
GOD SAVE THE NOLES !
Then as the players begin to exit the locker room BB snaps out of his alzheimers induced cantankerous meandering and yells. " Yeah ! Win one for me dadgummit !"
I hope our WRs are smart enough to call out "probable" CB blitzes.
We could burn UF on those if played correctly.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
So our bowl hopes now rest on our new unis ...
and their utility belts. Don’t forget the utility belts.
by hopnole23 on Nov 14, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent game from EJ and great gameplan from Jimbo
I know he won’t get to start next year barring injury, but nice to see we have something behind Ponder.
Also, I’m starting to wonder if Verne Lundquist just has something biologically wrong with him that won’t admit failure by UF. UF’s kicker just missed a FG by a mile and he just was silent for a few seconds before saying “Just missed it”
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 14, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions
Is anyone noticing
The gaters appear to be a team that can be beaten. The cocks are standing strong.
I'll feel better if they land a few more hits that result in Tebow landing on his head
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 14, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
It would be more than funny
It would be the greatest thing I could imagine. Dumping tebow in his last game at the swamp would be great payback going back to the zooker’s win in tally.
The cosmic tumblers would have to click into place.
I still can't believe the football gods gave me a wedding to go to during the UF game
I hadn’t talked to my childhood best friend in probably three years, and out of nowhere I get a wedding invite. There’s no way Im not going… so I guess I’ll have to rely on twitter for my updates.
by NorthernHaze on Nov 15, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Can UVA get rid of Groh? They have a silly contract with no out clause. I think Groh has 1 year left on his current deal. If they can him they have to pay that year and would then need to find the money to hire Strong.
One booster apparently wrote the buyout check himself
But said he wanted to be in on the decision making process. He wants the guy from Temple, I hear.
>>---l>
Georgia!
Would like to see him go to Georgia and for UF and UGA to kill each other in everything!
I can't see Richt being fired this year. I am more concerned about them firing Willie Martinez
because that could turn out to mean competition for us for a defensive coordinator. We need for UGA to run it out, especially tonight against Auburn, to save Willie’s job. Fortunately Richt is almost as loyal as Bobby, and hopefully he will stick with Martinez at least another year.
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Georgia will not dump Richt
Not this year at least. Martinez is on shaky ground, but Richt is notoriously loyal to his assistants. No guarantee he is gone. We need GA to win so that they can’t compete for DC’s with us.
I completely agree FSUn
In 2006 Richt signed a contract that goes throught to the 2013 season and places Richt among the highest paid coaches in the Southeastern Conference. He gets $2 million, and $300,000 each year is a longevity bonus and he will receive a lump sum of $2.4 million at the end of the deal. He won’t last that long though. They might lose to Auburn and will lose to Georgia Tech this year and the seat will get hot.
They teamed up with the Wounder Warrior Project to honor the troops
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 14, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Come on Spurrier, you know you want this
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 14, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions
WHAT A PLAY BY GARCIA
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 14, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions
South Carolina game giving me false hope...
because our Offense is better, any chance of a shootout win?
Ugh, looks like UF will escape again.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 14, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions
They have Garcia who is terrible and has been ever since he arrived at SC.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
USCw vs. FSU in the Emerald Nut Bowl
Not sure how I feel about that
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College Gameday...
Did ya’ll hear Kirk Herbby say there is NO WAY FSU was going to make it to a Bowl Game this year? I know we gotta beat MD 1st but that guy hates the Noles. Out of ALL the announcers on TV Jesse Palmer is my favorite. Even though he was a gator he does what his job title is: Sports Announcer… Unlike those Gator Lovin CBS guys.
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions
I know but i just dont think he like FSU in general
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Goto the Homepage and look for a story about Bowden havin Demintia...
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
He’s openly called Bowden and those defense guys a “complete joke.”
Says if he was Fisher he would leave.
Thanks.
Herby does know the game. I don’t think he’s biased against us. I think he knows what’s up/
He’s been pretty darned decent handling Corso since the stroke.
Sorry man,
I thought you wanted a explaination on 1newplayer’s comment. Thats why i referred you to a story from a few days ago. You meant what Herbby said.
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
HERBIE
The four letter sports network may hate our defense but they love Bowden. That’s a conundrum.
Old School Nole
I think FSU's Best Defense against Florida is....
We need to go in there and HIT their players HARD!!! If we can do that enough times and be VERY aggressive then we may win the war. How might you ask? If they LIMP into Atlanta the following week and play a Hyped up Bama team, they just might lose. Keeping them out of the NC would be a Victory in my book.
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions
LOL... Then guys on the sideline need to run onto the field and lay them out... 15yd penalty is fine if it makes them nervous to run by our bench
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
j/k by the way
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Me and my uncle, diablonole, were talkin last week and he made a great point to. That UF has beat us physically and mentally for too long now. We need to go out there and let them know it ends here!! They might beat us but it makes the statement that next time you come to Tally you better be ready cause you may leave with a “L”
I am just SO tired of hearing people say “Just face it, FSU will NEVER be a team thats above just average” Thats BS!! I see SO much potiential in this group of kids that i havent been this excited about the future since the 90’s. Once we work the Defense out, which we will, the Garrnett & Gold will strike Fear back into these ACC teams. We may not Dominate them the way we did for all those years but i dont think we will go 20-20 over the next 40 ACC games like we have these past 40.
Keep your Head UP Nole Fans…. I think most of the Country knows it too, They are Hating on us again. Which means they know they better get it in while they can. Sorry to Rant but I BLEED GARRNETT AND GOLD!!!
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
We might lose its what a 7% chance something like that right.
they will run the ball down our throats. Passing they might but why would they we cant stop a team that runs the ball right at us. At the same time I think we can score on them. The way UF is playing this year all we have to do is hang in there. There is a chance. They havent realy been putting teams away tell they just give up. I dont think we will pull it off but I think we can send a message that change is coming and the powers that bet will have FSU back in its rightful place soon enough.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
How is that?
BYU, GT, Miami have all been top 10 teams this year and none of them even beat us by a TD. Wake has been outstanding at home and we thumped them. We were winning in death valley w/ 10 min left to play and kept the game close even though we had what 5 turnovers and lost Ponder to a seperated shoulder and had him playing with broken ribs?
UF has been winning, but they haven’t exactly been dominating people. They’ve shown some trouble with redzone offense and have been basically running the ball for the most part. Prob can cover Riley Cooper.
The big fear is that someone will be able to shut our O down. Miami couldn’t do it. NC couldn’t do it, Clemson had some success due to ponder’s broken ribs and the 4 ints be we still scored plenty.
Aside from all of that, I had a waited at Denny’s the other week tell me that BB was going to beat UF to save his job. It was an old bald headed guy with some golds in his grill, so you know he knew what he was talking about. We’ve played some great offenses and no one has scored more than 50 on us. I just don’t see this game ending 58-30. Unless Trickett’s OL doesn’t block and EJ has an awful game, it’ll be closer than most think and we just may win it.
UF is the best defense FSU has seen in awhile.....
Much better than Clemson.
I see a 52-24 UF victory.
OOh
Clemson has just as good of a defense IMO.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes,
UF hasn’t played quite as well on D as I thought.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Our defense matches up very poorly with their offense
I hate to go against the old guy, but there are a few problems.
We can’t handle their DLine without a healthy Datko and Hudson. They won’t allow to do what we did today. Wake’s defensive gameplan was braindead.
And unfortunately, they can destroy our defense running their base offense. Oh, and they effectively have a bye week before they play us.
Let’s not fool ourselves. EJ played well today for what he was asked to do, but UF will make him do a lot of stuff that he has never been asked to do.
Additionally, they’ve been a running team for 4 years. We will give up 3 or 400 yards
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
And in any case
I think we don’t try to win.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Good Points
It’s always hard to predict the future. However, I’d bet that UF will spend its “bye” week preparing for Bama; not a Ponderless FSU team that can’t stop anybody.
While FSU may not have a bye week, it does have a “practice” week that involves a scrimmage against the terrible turtles (MD). Hopefully Datko and Hudson can rest up. I have faith that Fisher will be working some things in that EJ will need in the UF game. UF beat us by 30 last year and they might do it again this year. No one thinks this game will be a defensive struggle. The margin of victory and whether we have a shot at winning depends entirely upon our offense. Fortunately for us, that is our strong suit.
I think JImbo will bust the screen on UF early and often. Strongs D is essentially a less talented, although very good, FSU D of the 90s. Blitz, blitz, blitz and relay on man to man.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
UF's D is not essentially a less talented FSU D of the 90s.
Our current D is a less talented FSU D of the 90s, and extremely less talented. UF does play a bunch of man to man, but they have safety help over the top. That’s a huge difference between our D and their D and one of the reasons why we give up a ton of big plays.
by nolesblogger on Nov 15, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Yeah like we had a 70% chance of losing today right? I mean that is why they play the games. I by no means expect us to win the game against UF, but you’re starting to sound like the weatherman…I don’t get upset when you were wrong that it was definitely going to rain 70% chance, but I was extremely happy when that 30% came through and it didn’t rain.
Damn right and Magnum will be the game MVP too.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Thats fine... But didnt Dekota Watson say...
They intimidated us coming into Tally. If we go out there and show NO FEAR of them then it will let them know that they may win but we will HURT you ASS… LoL
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions
Well then, They need to get it done. Or as Redneck Gator Fans say: Git'R Dun
Also the Great PCB-NOLE once said: " Im the Biggest G8eR H8eR around"
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 14, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
so where do I write down I told you so.
Well almost. EJ did a great job and as I said all week (I SAID ALL WEEK) The o-line, RB and WR also make this offense what it is and they proved it tonight. JT going throw holes untouched, WR wow there yards after catch wait yards after contact. JF changed the Offense for EJ just enough. I like how we went to a split back slot look with a fly motion. they set WF up for almost every play.
As for the Def Again as I have said all week They dont have to stop teams just slow them down. and they did it very well. Hell they got enough big plays that WF ws out in the first Qrd and couldnt bounce back. The D-line still didnt get any real pressure but hey cant win them all. The Secondary and LB were for the most part on point. G. Read is the FNing man and Damn our LB are fast. At the begenning of the season MA said this is the fastest team hes had ever. That what it looked like other than Magnum. Someone fire him he sucks. I dont think he should have the foul on him he didnt do Jack.
Last At least we know our WR ant scard. What a hit on the WF SS. I hope the mans ok. I dont blame the WF team getting hot over that they were in the right. When you have a team mate out cold and a dog pile about to land on him fighting for a ball thats down already I would be pissed. FSU didnt know dont get me wrong but thats part of the game.
In the end Best game for FSU I think so far this year. Its scary what games we would have won with a Def just a little better than what we have now.
FEAR THE SPEAR next week.
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Kudos Des
Not sure what WF’s defensive gameplan was but it sure as hell didn’t work.
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Interviews
Where can I find post game interviews?
Good to see Ponder joke around with EJ, these 2 seem very similar and the biggest thing is mature beyond their age. I read today that Dan Pompei believes Ponder is the 3rd best QB prospect for next years NFL draft, though I want to see Ponder succeed but secretly hoping he comes back for one more year and goes to the draft as the top prospect in 2011.
that would be great for BB I think
also Being a FSU fan in Gamecock town would be fun too. At least Im not alone. I also think that we could beat them.
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I believe he was referring to Southern Cal
It looks like we might be playing them out west
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that sucks I dont want to play them.
They could run all over us. could look good for a recruits if we could pull it off. got to get there first.
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One Bowden ended his career at FSU in the Emerald Bowl...
will another also?
No chance So Cal drops past the Holiday and Sun bowls, I think
I think Des’ idea will happen FSU-South Carolina in the Music City. The bowls would be dumb not to hook that up.
I would love that.
I would actually get to go since Nashville is only 45 minutes away. I went when we play UK, was disappointed and went downtown to get plastered afterwards.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Nov 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
FSU travels well so does USC (SC) I think it would be a nice fit too.
But first things first. we have to make it. and Im going to be saying this all week too.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
my SOB roommate is a USC alum, would love to beat their trojan asses for the 3rd time
in our worst year in decades
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Nov 15, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
ACC and Emerald Bowl are no longer affiliated
we picked up an affiliation with the Sun Bowl in its place.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
We have one more year (this year) of Emerald Bowl before we switch
ACC picks up the Sun Bowl for next season
http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/09-acc-bowls-list.html
My bad, thought it switched over this year.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Anybody else excited about the future
with Ponder next year and EJ the next two, all under the tutelage of Jimbo. EJ really impressed me today. I know Jimbo put him in position to suceed with a good gameplan, but EJ showed a ton of poise for his first start, and man, he sure looks the part. I really feel good things are to come.
by crmnole on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Very excited...
I can’t wait to see what Jimbo can do with complete control. Life is good.
I thin what is funny is how close they are yet how Dif.
Ponder runs a Power spread with checks & Balances and the the 2TE Ace where EJ will run more of a Pro I option and a Split back slot fly speed Spread. (Wow I said that.) the 2 are so close in some ways yet nothing alike when planning for. What is so weard is we have the playes on Offense for both and I didnt know that. It helps that our WR and O-line can get down field and block. next year Teams are going to have to prepair for 4 dif Offenses If JF plays a 2QB system. I think it would work too.
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Thank You D
I was excited for EJ before the game, but I am thankful for the way the D played. They stopped Wake on 7 of 11 drives! That’s what I’ve been waiting for since BYU. THANK YOU D! Now keep it up next week in front of your fans!
Ill say thanks to the D also but I think WF shot themselfs in the foot more than we stoped them.
Skinner was not on his game at all. He should have ripped us apart.
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Being there
We didn’t do anything on D that was good. Wake had a terrible gameplan, and they were stubborn with it. They lost more than we won. Every play we “made” on defense was due to a bad / unlucky play by at least 1 WF player (mostly Skinner). Probably wasn’t clear on TV, but they had the option to score every time they had the ball.
They missed some key blocks on their runs, chose to keep it inside wen bouncing it out high school style was the way to go, chose to bring another blocker out in front of the runner rather than sealing the backside DE, missed open receivers, underthrew for INTs rather than putting the ball 1 foot further for a touchdown (EJ did this too)….etc.
I don’t want to sugarcoat this, and I haven’t watched my recorded copy yet, but my feeling was that we were VERY lucky Wake repeatedly shot themselves in the foot.
well this is most likey true but sometimes you take a win for a win
I dont know if winning right now will do more to help us or hurt us with BB wanting to stay and recruits hessentent to come here. I how this helps and Ill take it. What pisses me off the most is was wanted to go see it so bad but I had to work. thats what sucks most.
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Looking good to keep the bowl streak alive
What a great win for our noles on the road. I loved seeing GR get the punt ret TD he has been smelling endzone all season and wow Jenije made a play with the pick in the endzone. I have been wondering if he knew what he was doing on the field all season. Hope Jimbo let’s EJ air it out some next week against a horrible Terp D and let us see the cannon for an arm he’s got. Just keep it 3rd and Manageable Noles and we will be playing in late Dec.
www.youtube.com/3rdandManageable
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 15, 2009 1:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
thanks brother
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 15, 2009 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Very good game plan by Wake’s D for us. I don’t think EJ threw the ball more than 10 yards down field at all. I have no idea why Wake was playing so far back, especially with FSU able to run the ball so well. EJ will probably have to stretch the field next week against UMd. I think he’ll be able to do it but we’ll have to see it.
EJ also did an excellent job with his play fakes. Maybe he just hides the ball so well but I was actually having trouble following the ball at some points. Usually I don’t have a problem because I’m not looking through a line or anything like that.
It looks as if EJ reads the option better than Ponder. Not only did EJ pitch the ball on the option he pitched it after crossing the line, which happens less and less and forces a defense to account for the pitch-man all the way down the field. Not sure if this is just EJ feeling more comfortable with pitching the ball or if it’s something Fisher has worked with him more on as Ponder doesn’t ever pitch the ball.
I didn’t see many audibles. Not sure if EJ just doesn’t have that responsibility yet or if there was no need to audible but I’m very interested to see how he does with this very important part of the offense in the future.
by evenflow58 on Nov 15, 2009 7:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think that was a different option look than what ponder normally runs?? I could be wrong.
…It looked more GT than FSU :)
Also EJ runs it out of Pro I so hes going to look more like Michel Vick when he was at VT.
His pitch is much better(prob because he pitches it) but Im suprised we didnt give the ball to Reed on the motion Fly though we passed it to him a few. I love that play.
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I noticed on one play that the OT on on the L side(dont know who)
Tapped his led like a LB would to tell the DT what way to go. EJ then faked the pitch and went cut up field for about 4-5 yards. I was shocked that I noticed that but sence being at TN I see things like that now because Im looking at the O-line and who and where they are blocking.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I think we may be the fastest offense UF has seen this year but EJ will have to throw down field a couple of times…UF offense will kill us when they run the double option with hernandez for the shovel pass and demps behind tebow…DE contain is HUGE when playing UF and thats a problem because our DE’s get sucked in every play…I just want to keep it close so we can at least say we are closing the gap on them while we are recruiting
LSU is definitely faster
I’ve seen them in person. But we are much better coached.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 15, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, remember when LSU fans said Gary Crowton (sp?) would be an upgrade?
They got Gary’s one good year.
tack on -> got Gary's good year with Jimbo's players.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Gary
Always has a great 1st year then goes downhill. Ask Oregon or BYU
by Bud Elliott on Nov 15, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
FSUn has to be slightly PC because this is his site, but I don’t, so let me attempt to translate my idea of what I think he is politely trying to communicate.
One, what was impressive about EJ was his poise. He looked calm, cool, and collected. However, two MAJOR things made his success yesterday: 1) He’s got an OC that is f-ing brilliant and called a gameplan to take him out of risky situations. In fact, the only time he was in a semi-risky situation he threw a bad INT before halftime. How wide open were his targets? How many situations did Jimbo put him in where he DIDN’T have to make a read? EJ helped his own cause here with great playaction fakes, but who called those plays? 2) Wake’s gameplan was atrocious! I guess they thought that by sitting back and reading things, as opposed to bringing a tremendous amount of pressure, EJ would throw the ball right into their hands like Ponder and Richardson did last year. That played right into Jimbo’s gameplan, making the execution of it so much easier. Jimbo wasn’t going to have a repeat performance of last year. I do not want to sound like I am taking all credit from EJ, he played a REALLY good game for his debut and it was on the road against a team that has beaten us 3 years in a row, but please, settle down with the lofty expectations. He could easily crap the bed at any time, and that would be OK – he’s a RS FRESMAN. In two weeks, when he gets mauled in the Swamp, please don’t post that he sucks and everyone was wrong for thinking he has a bright future ahead on him.
Two, how sad is the day that our D gives up 454 yds, 6.6 ypp, and 28 points to Wake Forest and we are praising them on their best performance of the season? They still suck. Bad. They just sucked less yesterday than they have the rest of the season. Perspective is the key. They did make some big plays, and if they would do that next Saturday, our Offense is so good that we will go bowling for the 28th year in a row.
Three, and most importantly, for the love of God, STOP WITH THE WE HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST UF TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That talk makes us look like retarded fans. One of the many great things about this site is the level-headed, conservative approach that the posters take. Please don’t lose that. Wake is the ONLY team this season that did not have their BEST offensive game of the year against our D. FU will go right up and down the field on us. All this talk about their O looking average this year will cease when they play our D. Their O is undeniably worse than it has been in several years, but it won’t be against our D. And as far as our O against their D, EJ is not playing Wake in Winston-Salem, NC. He will be playing the a Gayturds team in the SWAMP that will not need any additional motivation, but have it in sending Tebow out as a winner in his last home game at FU. They will be nuts. If we get 20 points, do a cartwheel.
I may have sounded really negative (I don’t think so, just realistic), but we need to come back down to Earth and not lose perspective of the previous 9 games due to this 1 GREAT game we played. Remember BYU? How good did we look there? What happened the next three games?
I agree with all your points
Except for the childish uses of ‘FU’ and ‘Gayturds’. I believe that also makes us look like retarded fans.
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I pretty much agree with this
except that EJ did make a few more reads than you gave him credit for, i think.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 15, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
If the margin of victory is within 30, we've made progress.
They beat us by 30 last year. Anything better than that is progress.
No one expects our D to stop UF. If we hold them to under 500 yrds and get them to turn it over once or twice, we’ll be talking about how well the D played. When you’re looking for progress, everything is relative.
EJ had a good game. I agree that people should relax the hype until he proves himself over the course of a couple of games. I also think a lot of TN folks have an inflated opinion of Ponder. He’s more like Kyle Orton than Matt Ryan or Peyton Manning. I only say that because he makes short safe throws and doesn’t turn the ball over much. He doesn’t make many vertical throws like the great quarterbacks do. That’s also why I didn’t expect much of an offensive dropoff against Wake. I didn’t see our qb play going from greatness to crap. EJ was a highly rated recruit and he’s working under Jimbo Fisher. I expect Maryland will pressure him more than Wake did and try to force him to throw more deep balls. That will be good practice for Florida.
Since no one expects our D to stop UF, the margin of victory will be determined by how well the offense plays. Wake and MD are not UF. While I don’t expect us to put up 40+ pts, I’m not writing EJ off either. No one really knows how he’ll react under the pressure I expect Meyer to send his way. With our offensive line playing great, Meyer will have to blitz, which could make UF vunerable to some big plays. Whether EJ will be able to execute, who knows? The jury is still out.
If you go by the overall team FEI rankings, the closest thing to FSU that Florida has seen is LSU. That game wasn’t a blowout. No one has blown FSU out all season despite what we’ve been fielding on D. If our O doesn’t play well, it’ll be a blowout. If it does play well, then it’ll be closer than 30 pts. If the game is close, anyone can win. No one expects us to win. While our D is scary bad, our O is scary good. However, good offense seems more fragile than good D. With Ponder out & EJ in, injuries on the OL, and the number of times we’ve fumbled the ball this year, it’s understandable that many expect UF’s D to shatter our fragile offense. UF has agood D, so I can understand why people think they’ll shatter our fragile O and blown us out. But if our offense doesn’t fall apart, like it did against USF and Clemson, the game could be close, and anyone can win a close game. I wish JF would teach the guys how to hold on to the football.
I tend to disagree
Comparing Ponder and Orton is kind of ridiculous and no one here ever said he was the next Manning either. Ponder is better in Orton in many ways, much quicker and shorter release than Orton, Ponder’s completion percentage is damn near 70% while Orton’s was 60%. Ponder is much faster and quicker than Orton (compare their 40 and shuttle times) and since when did making many vertical throws make you a great QB?
Comparing FSU and LSU is also pretty ridiculous. LSU offense is at 55 while there D is 70 spots higher than us, I wouldn’t expect that game to be a blowout. The reason we have not been blown out this season is because we have yet to face a team as balanced on both sides of the ball (with the expectation of Miami but that was the first game of the season). UF will trounce us, if you saw the South Carolina game on Saturday UF blitzed all night long, something that I do not believe we will be able to handle.
As for wishing Jimbo Fisher could teach them to hold on to the ball, he doesn’t coach the WRs or RBs so it is pretty much out of his hands at this point.
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They beat us by 30 last year. Anything better than that is progress.
That only applies if Wake is static, does it not?
No one expects our D to stop UF. If we hold them to under 500 yrds and get them to turn it over once or twice, we’ll be talking about how well the D played. When you’re looking for progress, everything is relative.
Though if we just hold the ball forever and give them 8 yards per play and they only get 60 plays that’s 480 yards whichh for 60 plays is horrendous.
EJ had a good game. I agree that people should relax the hype until he proves himself over the course of a couple of games. I also think a lot of TN folks have an inflated opinion of Ponder. He’s more like Kyle Orton than Matt Ryan or Peyton Manning. I only say that because he makes short safe throws and doesn’t turn the ball over much. He doesn’t make many vertical throws like the great quarterbacks do. That’s also why I didn’t expect much of an offensive dropoff against Wake. I didn’t see our qb play going from greatness to crap. EJ was a highly rated recruit and he’s working under Jimbo Fisher. I expect Maryland will pressure him more than Wake did and try to force him to throw more deep balls. That will be good practice for Florida.
I disagree about Ponder. NFL scouts wouldn’t be all over a guy who can only make the short, safe throws. He made a lot of difficult downfield throws, particularly do the sideline. I think you also underestimate all the checks he makes to get our offense into the right play. Manuel only threw 6 balls over 5 yards Saturday. He didn’t have to read anything and was late on his two first down balls to Owens.
Since no one expects our D to stop UF, the margin of victory will be determined by how well the offense plays. Wake and MD are not UF. While I don’t expect us to put up 40+ pts, I’m not writing EJ off either. No one really knows how he’ll react under the pressure I expect Meyer to send his way. With our offensive line playing great, Meyer will have to blitz, which could make UF vunerable to some big plays. Whether EJ will be able to execute, who knows? The jury is still out.
If you go by the overall team FEI rankings, the closest thing to FSU that Florida has seen is LSU. That game wasn’t a blowout. No one has blown FSU out all season despite what we’ve been fielding on D. If our O doesn’t play well, it’ll be a blowout. If it does play well, then it’ll be closer than 30 pts. If the game is close, anyone can win. No one expects us to win. While our D is scary bad, our O is scary good. However, good offense seems more fragile than good D. With Ponder out & EJ in, injuries on the OL, and the number of times we’ve fumbled the ball this year, it’s understandable that many expect UF’s D to shatter our fragile offense. UF has agood D, so I can understand why people think they’ll shatter our fragile O and blown us out. But if our offense doesn’t fall apart, like it did against USF and Clemson, the game could be close, and anyone can win a close game. I wish JF would teach the guys how to hold on to the football.
Those FEI ratings are with Ponder, and that’ s a humongous difference. I can’t credit EJ for Wake having a dumbass gameplan and never adjusting.
Our O was scary good. Was. It’s not now. I’m worried people are going to begin thinking that based off the Wake and Maryland games.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+8
I’m going to bet the warchant consensus will be over half of the posters predicting a FSU win over Florida if we beat Maryland. I will then predict several “Jimbo can’t beat Florida” threads after the game once we get drilled.
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Unless MD beats us, shuts down our offense, or we incur several offensive injuries, I don’t see my outlook on the UF game changing.
I look at the MD game as a practice game for EJ. MD should fill the box and send a heavy dose of blitz. MD isn’t UF, but maybe EJ can get some game experience recognizing and dealing with the blitz and build his confidence and poise in preparation for UF.
As I see it, critical factors in the UF game will be (1) How well our line and running backs protect EJ. I expect Jimbo to call some rollouts so that we’re not giving Spikes & crew a stationary target. I also expect some of the quick screens so that EJ isn’t holding on to the ball very long. However, if our passing game is limited to quick screens, I fear UF will start jumping the routes and take the ball the other way for six. So we’ll need to throw the ball downfield a little. Jimbo does a nice job of playcalling and mixing it up to keep opp. defenses off-balance. (2) How well EJ handles the UF pressure, including his decision making on whether to run or pass and where he decides to go with the ball. and (3) How accurate EJ is under fire.
I expect UF to shut our running game down in a hurry because they have great closing speed. Our chance of winning is slight. Wether we keep it respectable or it becomes a blowout will largely depend on how well our offense blocks and how well EJ plays.
How well EJ will handle the UF pressure is a big unknown that won’t be answered by the MD game. If EJ whiffs against the turtles’ D, we’re in a lot of trouble the following week.
If a healthy Ponder were playing against UF, our chances of winning would still be slight. With Ponder playing, our chances of keeping it respectable would be greater due to Ponder’s experience and proven decision-making ability.
You are such a lawyer
You never seem to address the questions or rebuttals at hand. A lot of speaking in circles from you.
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Tennessee gameplan
Run the clock, run the clock, run the clock. Try to lose by less than 20.
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I'll submit another thing
fumbles. Largely uncontrollable random factor. And when UF loses or has a scare, they usually lose fumbles.
Rec'd
Although I think the 30 points he was speaking of referred to the UF game.
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The best thing about this is EJ knows that he has a Team with him to help him win.
He got all the confidence in the world that as a team they can do this. I have never seen the WR try so hard to run after Contact. the RB keep running through those huge holes the O-line made. It seemed effortless. Great job on offense. the Def Well the LB are fast and at times when these guys are where they should be we have a great group. to bad they never seem to be at the right place. I dont think its there fualt. I blame the Def coaches 90% of this the other is prob theres.. Im ok with they are better than I am and thats why there are there.
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