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Florida State Football Performance Report 11.17.09

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Now for the offense.  FSU went on scoring drives of 81, 79, 68, 68, 43, and 27 yards.  4 offensive touchdowns and 2 field goals.  Get some, Wake Forest!  Let's break down the offensive performance.  As with all photos here, click them to enlarge. 

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7.2 yards per play is outstanding. In a normal game where FSU gets 70 plays, that's 500+ yard pace.  Excellent job EJ.  And the gameplan was ridiculously simple.  FSU ran some version of the Veer 9 times.  Don't tell anyone, but that's basically UF's offense.  When they threw the ball it was a screen or a crossing route. I counted 5 passes that traveled more than 8 yards downfield.  E.J. Manuel managed the game well and did exactly what FSU asked him to do.

Inside we have more charts, recaps of the press conferences, and highlight videos!

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Want to settle your QB down and let him have a nice day?  Own 1st down.  And that's exactly what FSU did.  Of 30 1st down plays, FSU only had two for 20+ yards, but they were successful a superb 53% of the time, and were only held to 1 or fewer yards on 6 of 30 1st down plays.  Of those 16 successes, 10 of them were accomplished via Jermaine Thomas.  That's important because we're dealing with a young quarterback.

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Mmmmm  The best offense in the conference kept on hummin'.  And there's no scheduling quirk here.  FSU has faced 7 of the conference's best 9 defenses.

Oh, and Jeff Cameron of 1270TheTeam Sports Radio had Jimbo Fisher on with him yesterday.  Have a listen

As for individual player breakdowns, I thought the right side of the offensive line did a tremendous job.  That's guard David Spurlock and Tackle Zebrie Sanders.  This offensive line is already very good, but they might be incredible next year.  I really think they surprise teams, and especially opposing linebackers, with their quickness.  It messes up the angles opposing backers must take.  Ryan McMahon was his usual solid self.  He doesn't dominate but he does what we ask him to.  Rodney Hudson, until he got injured (and they are expected to hold him out until the UF game with his mild knee sprain), looked good.  And maybe most impressive because of his injury was Andrew Datko (separated shoulder).  I thought he did a great job and a shoulder injury is not all that easy to play with. 

As for the backs.  Thomas ran hard and was decisive.  He made the right cuts almost all of the time.  Ty Jones was not impressive at all.  Anyone could have run through those huge holes. 

My player of the game might be Rod Owens. He blocked his butt off and also ran some great rotues for Manuel.  Twice on 3rd downs, Manuel was very late making his read and Owens slowed down knowing he could get killed but wanting to give his QB an open target.  A big +1 for Rod Owens! Bert Reed didn't screw around and got upfield quickly.

I like the idea of flipping the ball to Jarmon in space.  It somewhat limits what coverages the opposition can play and he is an athletic freak. 

Here's Jimbo's Notes from the press conference that I took down yesterday:

We had some complexity in the offense and we were fortunate to hit our plays when we called them.   E.J. was doing the things that he needed to do. He executed the gameplan very well. Stayed in good down and distance, fortunate to have the plays be open (implying Wake's plan was dumb). No delay penalties. Changed protections, routes, etc.

Every play is from a family of plays so when the QB checks down they have to know what they are looking to attack. Jimbo teaches conceptually. What are we trying to attack. If we know it we can change on the fly. Harder to learn at first but better in the long run.

E.J. and Christian both understand the concepts of football and I think this is the reason they pick things up so quickly.

These are good emotions this week.   They have great futures ahead of them.   We do have some upper classmen who have grown up and they will go off the right way.

Never had this small of a senior class before. FSU loses only Goodman, Piurowski, and Owens, to graduation (on offense).

E.J. has a lot of instincts to play football.   Jermain Thomas did a nice job to help E.J. with the pitches by being where he needed to be. Did a great job of maintaining the pitch relationship.

You have to have the dependability of a running back who adds the dimension of a consistent running back.

Tavares Pressley could see some PT this week.

Brandon Davis did a nice job coming in for Rodney

I think the whole group (WR's) played the best game they have from blocking to running routes.

Jarmon Fortson doesn't realize how much time this game really takes.   I am not down on him but he can get to another level of greatness if he gets all of the details.   I am really looking forward to seeing how he progresses.  (Jimbo challenges Fortson every week.

Maryland blitzes like crazy and they are hard to prepare for." "They do it all." "As tough to prepare for in terms of blitzing as anyone we have played.  This could be a game where we mix incompletes with big plays because of the blitz.  When you blitz the YAC yards, yards after catch are there to be made then our receivers have to make plays.   I thin Joe Montana did a very good job of getting his receivers the ball where each of them needed it.   E.J. will understand the concepts but he will need to put in a lot of study time this week.

I told E.J. the other day that Christian had a lot of success each week because he prepared for every game the same way.   E.J. has had some success now he just needs to play the game.   This is bigger than anyone who has ever been involved with it.  E.J. is very self motivated and I tell him that the hardest job in football is being the backup QB.   He did a great job and he prepared to play and it showed.   If you think I am waiting and not going to play is not the way to prepare for a game.  E.J. and Christian are very similar in a lot of ways."

We are looking forward to having Chris Thompson back this week." (Thompson's grandfather passed away and they had a close relationship.)

If good enough is ever good enough then we have a problem. "Good enough is never good enough to me."

Fisher then talked about a question regarding the running game not being as good as people expected.  Said a lot of that run game went from the QB's legs to the qb's arm.  I think people were shocked to see that we could throw as well as we did this year.   I want to see how efficient we are on each play.  Pass blocking has been much better this year than we were a year ago.  "I don’t care how many yards we run or throw for, I care about how efficient are we each play."

Receivers are getting into their routes better, breaking them off better, catching it better.  We are making quick decisions.   Everything on offense is doing better.

Jimbo smirked when told this offense is the best since 2000, then said he wasn’t aware of that.  Said he is much more comfortable as a playcaller.

We are learning to play with more consistency.

We are getting better but I still think we leave a lot out there. Not just yards but more great runs, more great throws, more great catches.

When things aren't just like you coach them up these guys are making the adjustments to keep the play moving and that is a good sign.

Fisher said when he is going through grading the offense, there are consistent pluses rather than a big play then a minus.

 

On Mickey Andrews:  I don’t know if anybody played any better defense during any time during any era of college football than during Mickey’s 20 years.  Until you are a great defensive team you’re not a great team.  Defense keeps you in games.  FSU used to win 41-39 until Mickey got here.  Nobody’s legacy is above Mickey Andrews.  How would you attack a mickey andrews defense? had to be balanced, had to recruit a lot better  "I mean they rattatattattd them now I tell ya. (fsu hitting weurffel)"

Then he talked for a while about how having big hands and long arms helps in play-action.  

On Goodman- trying to get him back.

Owens, EJ, and Jermaine players of the game. Owens had some great blocks and showed great patience in his routes. Great feel for that.

On Greg Reid returning punts and not kicks… not sure, said Pat is good too.  (It's not his call)

Can’t afford to lose Cas, Christian, Rich, Rodney, but we have to have other guys step up. give someone else the chance to be a hero. guys keep stepping up keep competing keep battling great traits for the future

We are recruiting guys to fit our mold and practicing better than before.  Then (2007) they were memorizing plays now they get the concepts to what you teach which allows you to make adjustments. the older guys never got that and it was unfair to ask them to get it.

 

The Streak Is Over!

Our regular readers know that we had been tracking a rather embarrassing streak.  Florida State's defense had allowed every opponent to post their best offensive game of the season in either Points, Total Yards, or the most important measure of performance, Yards-Per-Play.  That is no longer the case.  FSU held Wake Forest to only their 3rd best offensive performance of the year.  Now, don't get too excited.  Wake still gained 20% more than they had been averaging in conference games.  Also, the streak would have come to an end thanks to UNC finally cracking the 5 yards-per-play barrier against someone (Miami, haha), and Clemson racking up an insane performance against NC State, both of which pushed FSU's defensive efforts down some.

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For more on that Clemson game, which should make you feel a bit better about losing to those guys (they are a top 10 team this year, bank it), go here  Clemson - NC State film review - Shakin The Southland.  Also, want a fun stat?  Sure you do.  Miami's Jacory Harris leads the country in interceptions.  And before Miami fans feed you some tired line about how their offense throws for more yards per pass and are thus more likely to throw an INT, don't believe it.  Miami is 4th in conference in yards per pass, behind FSU, a team that doesn't try to go deep on every play.

 

Let's go comprehensive on the game:

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Where did FSU succeed on defense?  They used a variety of run blitzes on 1st down.  Sometimes they worked and Wake was stopped for 1 or fewer yards.  Other times they didn't and FSU was in the wrong gaps and hit for a big gain.  Andrews talked about this some in his press conference.

I thought Kevin McNiel played better.  Perhaps he is now in shape.  Everette Dawkins played a very nice game from what I saw (#93). 

FSU is definitely playing more zone defense now and they played it well on Saturday.  Mangum is not as bad covering half a field as he is covering a whole field.

Our backers still do not read their keys and I'm not sure they know them.  Chuck Amato is a horrible coach.  Really puzzled as to why Wake didn't run more misdirection.    I like Nigel Carr's energy.  Bradham is progressing slower than I'd like but he is coming around. 

Upon watching again, we did have some guys running free in the secondary who were not accounted for and that is a problem.  Skinner just didn't hit them.

 

Andrews said it was a team game. Everyone pitched in.

Aays they won 1st down and aoccomplished the goal (didn't state the goal)

3rd and long did not win (we might have forced more, it's a step in the right direction)

How many yards did they make after contact? few longballs but lots of short plays that went long. (We played a lot of cover-2)

4th down not good, (but honestly, those are 4th and short’s, it's not a big deal)

Happy he didn’t have to face skinner again and they didn’t win 4 in a row

When they pull, it creates a new gap, you have to maintain gap integrity and re-adjust your leverage.  (Mickey is right here, FSU did not go a good job of this.  Said they got 100+ yards doing this).

Mickey said they are only doing the ceremony stuff because they were asked.  (He is incredible humble)

When you’re a committed football coach, sometimes you have to do things you don’t wanna do, even when your priorities should be elsewhere, like if your family needs you.  (Mickey clearly hinting that he was begged to come back but probably shouldn't be here).  Thanks to Mickey for 25+ great years.

Greg reid has come along and been rewarded with more PT.

Mickey really looks better today, seems happy.

 

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great… may we continue into next week.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Nov 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking of amato...seminole gametime had a piece showing he and nigel carr on the sidline. Its laugable

Amato: “was that a Tight end?”
Carr: “I think so”
Amato: “did he drag?”
Carr: “yeah”
Amato: “you have to stay with him then”

laughable that he isn’t sure who the tight end is, and has to be reminded to stay with him in man coverage… scary!

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Nov 17, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty shocking

to see defensive highlights on here.

by wnc_nole on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

When we get a new DC

Do we have the players to turn our defense around when the DC coordinator arrives? What’s the reasonable expectation for the improvement of our defense?

I thought EJ played a good game, I think he only missed 5 passes and 3 of those were drops.

by TimScribble on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think expecting our D to be in the 40s nationally next year is not unreasonable

With our offense being elite that should be good enough for us to have a really good year.

by pbysh on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

First Thanks FSUn for the Support your trops link above

This is a great brake down and I agree 100% I think Ma did the right thing with the blitz in first down and I would do this again in a heart beat. We have to find was of getting to 2nd and 3rd and long. teams have gotten big plays all year but if we make them have to get big plays then thats better for us.

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by Desman on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Insightful as awlays.

I like the idea of flipping the ball to Jarmon in space. It somewhat limits what coverages the opposition can play and he is an athletic freak.

..and…

Jarmon Fortson doesn’t realize how much time this game really takes. I am not down on him but he can get to another level of greatness if he gets all of the details. I am really looking forward to seeing how he progresses. (Jimbo challenges Fortson every week.)

The man has Anquan Boldin physicality with a little extra size and speed. The more we get Fortson the ball — in any way, shape, or form — the happier I am… drops be damned. He’ll get over those with more reps and confidence. Heck, I’d even like to see what he could do building up a head of steam on a kickoff return.

Unfortunately for us, I think he’ll be joining Ponder among the first 20 players selected in the 2011 draft.

by arrdub on Nov 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

What was wrong with Jones?

You couldn’t possibly call him unimpressive based off of his 4 rushing attempts.

by tricknole on Nov 17, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

He's in Jimbo's doghouse

And his point was that any back could run through those gaping holes. He didn’t do much to bring himself back into Jimbo’s good graces, for whatever reason.

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by DKfromVA on Nov 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What did he do to get into the doghouse

He seems to have been there since the USF game. What did he do that was so bad that he basically hasn’t gotten PT since then and he made it obvious this time the only reason he got PT is because Chris was out.

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He ran like a b*tch against USF

He got used to the slow runs that BYU allowed and did not hit the hole, at all.

by pbysh on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't Like the Way Jermaine

Is carrying the ball in that picture. Doesn’t have the ball in a safe secure place and looks like it could be stripped easily.

Also, why on earth does Jermaine leave his mouthpiece always stuck into the front of his facemask?

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Nov 17, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

JT terrifies me when he is running

I am really shocked he hasn’t fumbled more. I haven’t kept track, but I think he’s lost maybe 1 fumble all year? The way he hangs on to the ball and flips it around I expect it to hit the turf every carry.

by pbysh on Nov 17, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

From all...

…the stat sheets I’ve looked at, he has no fumbles listed. However I know he fumbled it (against NCST I think it was), picked it back up, ran around the opposite side for a huge gainer.

by CPNole on Nov 17, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he fumbled against someone else too.

He fumbled and we recovered, then later Chris Thompson fumbled and we didn’t recover. Clemson? I feel like it might have been earlier than that.

I think he definitely has at least 3 this year.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 18, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Recap
Want to settle your QB down and let him have a nice day? Own 1st down

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Rinse, lather, repeat. Maybe mixing in some TE drag or seam routes on MD blitzes would help create short down-distance in lieu of 8 men in the box. Goodman back would be great too.

As for the backs. Thomas ran hard and was decisive. He made the right cuts almost all of the time. Ty Jones was not impressive at all. Anyone could have run through those huge holes

Jimbo said this was the best blocking by the team (line, RB, WR) this season. Great move by him and Trickett to take over RB coaching. That’s what HC are supposed to do, step in when the system is not being taught properly.

Miami’s Jacory Harris leads the country in interceptions

We’d be 2-8 if our QBs combined to lead the nation in INT. Eat it, canes.

Happy he didn’t have to face skinner again and they didn’t win 4 in a row

Good. Any team that loses to Wake friggin Forest four years in a row (save Dook) should have their HC fired the following Monday

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by The Ryno and I Know on Nov 17, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Too bad we didnt loose then

“Any team that loses to Wake friggin Forest four years in a row (save Dook) should have their HC fired the following Monday”

"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 17, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

lose dangit, not loose...

"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for fixing that yourself

I was itching when I read it to say something.

by pbysh on Nov 17, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

np

"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My two cents for players not mentioned.

Pryor has really done a great job as a blocker. He has improved with every game. He gets to his blocks fast and hits hard for his size. Really glad that he is contributing like that. Check out his lead block on the Jones TD run. That guy wanted no part of Pryor and Jones walks in. Pretty funny.

Also got to give props to Hopkins. People were wanting to yank him for missing PATs. While I agree missing PATs is silly, he has clearly figured it out. He has been doing much better and that cannon leg has really been awesome on kickoffs. Oh and the field goal kicking hasn’t been too shabby either. Going to be a solid performer for another 3 years.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Props to Hopkins

Currently 5th in the nation in touchback percentage at 35.6%. That has more than likely kept our defense from giving up another 1 or 2 touchdowns this season which could easily mean 1 or more losses.

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by RaysnNoles on Nov 17, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't overlook him next time, gosh.

Of course I joke. Great write up, and it’s nice to see we have a game that merits even mentioning the defensive play. On Pryor-it is just impressive to see a freshman step in there like that and get the blocks and understand the spot so well. Just makes me smile thinking about how much more time some of these guys have at FSU.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

??? when did Trickett take over the RB.

So what is the old RB coach doing now and is he gone after this year. I never got this memo.

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by Desman on Nov 18, 2009 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

A couple of weeks ago.

When we couldn’t score neer the goalline. Dexter Carter is probably going to get fired after this year.

by Nole93 on Nov 18, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't take over.

He participates in their film sessions and RB meetings. Carter is still coaching them and I would assume he’s running the meetings. Trickett is just giving his input on how to more effectively run behind his zone blocking scheme. I would assume Cater is gone next year too, but there is not reason to believe there is a conflict between the coaches here. You become better at your job by listening to others constructive criticism and I’d hope that’s what’s happening here.

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by Tyler on Nov 18, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And I have reason to believe the offensive coaches do not put up

with Carter’s laziness.

Trickett was furious that the backs missed holes in the BC game. His line got criticized but the backs were the culprit.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 18, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I forgot to mention Pryor too

in my fanpost, but I did note during the game that he was doing really well blocking. Got out of the backfield well, made good cut blocks to get his man on the ground, and also stood his guy up when to seal off pursuit.

No Rodney Hudson with the combo block on 3 guys, but still impressive, especially for a true freshman. He’s going to be a special player, he’s getting to the point where he’s laying it all out there, and when he does that, you really see his ability come through.

by PBD on Nov 17, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

That didn’t turn out as planned. Maybe I could use a few lessons on block quoting

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by The Ryno and I Know on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Depends

Simple offenses, imo, can line up and run it straight down your throat and play-action you to death.

The spread zone game takes advantage of agility and mismatches, but is actually simpler from a playbook stance (this coming from a old OL).

As defenses get better (matching the quality/size of offensive personnel), the need for more sophisticated schemes to prevent execution become necessary. So really, it’s an arms race.

by ricobert1 on Nov 17, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Elite offenses always execute. The play matters less than how you execute it. The attention to detail by the offensive staff is the real key here.

by evenflow58 on Nov 17, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of answers to this question.

Offenses usually will have one of two basic premises, they will either (1) run a very small amount of formations, but a multitude of route concepts, blocking schemes, pre snap motions, etc. or (2) they use a high number of formations (called being “multiple”) to show the defense a lot of different looks but they run the same concepts out of the different formations.

Jimbo’s offense is one of the most multiple offenses in the country. He utilizes a lot of different formation packages, with lots of different personnel options in the course of the game. The concepts are more limited (we run 4 base screens, similar route concepts in each, small amount of base runs, etc). This is hard to do at the college level if you aren’t an elite QB coach or have an extremely smart QB because of the amount of time practice is limited to.

However, you don’t have to be either multiple, or concept heavy if you are crisp in execution. GT for example uses a tiny amount of formations and concepts, however they are very good in their execution of their offense and it is something defenses don’t see a lot. I’ve had coaches tell me that every offense works, if it didn’t (in some capacity) it wouldn’t exist, however it is about how well you can teach it, get the guys to buy in, and execute that make the difference between elite offenses and good ones.

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by SWFLNole. on Nov 17, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But the offense must be complete

If it conceptually lacks an answer for something execution doesn’t matter.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

hudson

I think he meant disturbing as in “wish he wasn’t injured” not “that’s a horrible injury”

by NolenRyan on Nov 17, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

oh.

I didn’t see the game and thought maybe there was some gruesome injury I missed. I know that Wake turf has a tendency to kill knees.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 17, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you count scrambles in the passing stats? Since sacks are counted, shouldn’t scrambles? True the QB is running but he’s running against a defense that is expecting pass.

by evenflow58 on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think so

They do mess up QB rushing stats though.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 17, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Question on our runs

When there is a WR in motion and EJ either hands it to the RB, keeps it or gives it to the WR, is that all decided before the play or is it a read? Or is it a read whether he keeps it/gives it to the RB but doesn’t give it to the WR unless the play calls for it?

I think we should have it set who gets the ball, because we can better block for it. If it really is a 3x option I feel like we will be wasting blockers in the play who are taking on guys who won’t be able to tackle the ballcarrier anyway like the backside DE on a WR sweep or the strongside DE on a HB zone to the weakside.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I believe that play, which people often called a reverse even though there is no reverse, is called. The QB has his back to the LOS so he wouldn’t be able to make a read.

by evenflow58 on Nov 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This past weekend it was a read

It’s pretty simple veer football.

If you have it set, it won’t work because it’s a numbers game IMO.

But on the one where he turns his back in the Pistol, that is clearly predetermined.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

OL spacing @ 3:20 clip 2

Those are some impressive gaps we’re lining up. Bud, you said we were at 18", but we may spread out a little more. I think they can handle it; we have the agility.

by ricobert1 on Nov 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

hard to tell

It’s possible the splits are up to 24 inches, but I can’t tell. I’ll defer to the Alabama Law school girl too.

However, it is common to widen splits when running the veer, which we were. When our O-line is winning the one on one battles, it’s good to keep spreading the defensive alignment further out if they will let us.

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by IAHNole on Nov 17, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you guys think the running game is so inconsistent?

Rushing yards per play (sorry it’s counting sacks. I’m lazy)

Miami – 3.7 (110 total)
Jax – 3 (78)
BYU – 6.4 (313)
USF – .7 (19)
BC – 2.4 (71)
GT – 6 (180)
UNC – 1.7 (43)
NCSU – 5 (189)
Clemson -3.6 (128)
Wake – 5 (217)

We somehow run for 313 yards against BYU and 19 vs USF? The blocking seems very inconsistent. Ever since Jermaine Thomas got healthy around the GT game we have been better. Remember that against UNC we were behind most of it plus their front 4 is great. 3.6 yards per run against Clemson is solid. It’s not great considering how good our run game could be, but they are a heck of a D and I can’t complain.

Any reasons for the OL being so up and down?

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

USf pretty much had the game of their lives

It happens.

BC plays tremendous defense. Best defensive unit in the country so far.

Typically really good defenses will lost against the pass but rarely the run.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just frustrating to me

Hearing about our great OL and seeing guys like Thomas break some incredible runs, and then some games we get completely shut out of the run game.

Maybe I am biased but I feel like we never see Florida get shut down in the run game, we’d never see a vintage Wisconsin or other old school run teams not be able to move the ball at least decently on the ground.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 17, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd also say look at the scheme/personnel differences

We run out of a spread-zone philosophy. Our lineman are lighter, but more agile in general. Teams with a stouter (bigger) front 7 (front 4, especially) can possibly exploit their advantage by winning the engagement (see WF last year). We can get to the 2nd faster out of the spread zone, but we still have man-to-man problems (see BC game, goalline).

We’re getting better at this in my opinion. Once we start winning engagements on top of our agility advantage, we’ll really represent a a problem for opposing front 7’s (a la WVU from a few years ago featuring a – surprise surprise – Rick Trickett built OL).

by ricobert1 on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

BC's defense is the best in the country? Kinda bucks the size trend...

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 17, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That stat doesn't tell the whole run game story

1) How many of those runs were against >7 man fronts? Who sold out to stop the run?

2) Who legitimately beat our rush attack with 7? UNC, BC, and Clemson are big and strong at the POA. I’m actually pretty happy with the Clemson #. Miami has great DTs, and it showed.

by ricobert1 on Nov 17, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

well if you think about it

We’ve been able to run pretty well the past 4 of 5 games. Jermaine getting healthy and Trickett getting on his boys are probably the reason the running game has started to show up.

The UNC game is the outlier because we were down for the whole game, so we had to pass.

by NolenRyan on Nov 17, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

oops...

that was in response to tdchrisdavis.

by NolenRyan on Nov 17, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Jermaine is running like a man possessed

The past few weeks I have seen Jermaine play and run harder than he ever has. Every time he touches the ball you can tell he wants to get to the endzone. I’m sure most backs think this, but he is seeing the field in a different way it seems. I guess getting benched and probaly called out in team meetings by Jimbo will do that to ya. He said he wanted to be the 1st 1000 yd rusher since Warrick and I believe if he keeps this drive that he has now he will make it happen in 010’. Take the pressure of EJ Jermaine and Keep him 3rd and Manageable. P.S. Please put your mouthpiece in when you run I’m terrified I’m going to see your tongue on the field one day

by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 17, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Running Reckless

As Jimbo would put it….

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Nov 17, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope the Jimbo gets EJ ready for the Maryland blitzes.

We should call a lot of screens to beat them this week.

by fsunole23 on Nov 17, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Alright, to begin with

I had trouble even your story. There was something in my eyes.

Thanks for the link, Bud!

by FiestaNole on Nov 17, 2009 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

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