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Florida State Recruiting Update, 11.18.09

Lots of info today.  As always, we funnel coverage (except in the next couple of days) to the 2010 Big Board and the 2010 Recruiting Map.  If you have a question, and there isn't a post on the front page, ask it in the 2010 BB.  Remember to get out and watch these prospects play.  On to the coverage.

Current commits: (click the links to read more)

NOTES:

  • The 2011 Big Board will debut in December.
  • Lowndes LB Telvin Smith "decommitted" from FSU and is now down to the 'Noles, UGA, and UF.  I do think he remains a Seminole (especially after a new DC).
  • There is a rumor going around that 2011 Lowndes DB Tyler Hunter (heavy FSU lean) will never play football again.    The rumor is that he has spinal stenosis.  Prayers for the kid if true.  Can anyone confirm or debunk this rumor?
  • There will be a pretty good visitor haul for the Maryland game.  JuCo DE Wayne Dorsey, DE Adrian Hubbard, JuCo DT Amp McCloud, JuCo RB Debrale Smiley, and TE Tank Sessions are a few expected in.  I happen to think that one of these players (and/or Charles Deas and the unofficials) will commit to FSU on their visit.
  • Glades Central ATH Greg Dent straight up murdered the Muck Bowl.  6 catches for 188 yards and 2 TDs; an kickoff return for a TD; 3 PBUs on defense.  Dent will probably be visiting FSU for the Maryland game.  Dent just has a burst that cannot be measured in a combine setting.  I think he will be in this class.
  • Everyone knows by now that Dwyer DB Matt Elam took an official visit to FSU for the NC State.  Though he reportedly had a great time, I still think he ends up a Gator.  The only thing FSU has going for it is playing time. 
  • Tampa Catholic WR Christian Green still has not committed to anyone.  Good news; I still think he will be wearing garnet and gold at this time next year.
  • STA DB Lamarcus Joyner did not drop FSU.  Joyner will be here for the Maryland game.
  • Lake Howell LB Christian Jones took a visit to Tennessee on October 31 and another one to Alabama the next week.  FSU fans should be thanking their lucky stars because of Jones' love for the school and his family ties.  I would not expect a decision from him until FSU's DC is named.
  • Tampa CB Terrence Mitchell is not impressing observers this season.  FSU will receive his final visit, but he is likely favoring USF right now.
  • ATH Hasean Clinton Dix (2011) is a recruit that was passed along via Athetevault. He played primarily RB at Orlando (Edgewater) but has since transfered to Orlando (Dr. Phillips) and is playing primarily Safety. He is much better on defense, but is probably D-1 at either (BCS caliber at S). There is RB Film at athletevault under player profiles, S film is FREE right here.
  • Columbus Carver DE Corey Crawford has really improved over the last year.  He is a much more explosive player.  He has been committed to Clemson since July, but he made a visit to FSU for a game in October.  He is a recruit that the 'Noles could have a decent chance of turning.
  • Hialeah DL Corey Lemonier and Calvin Smith might be in town for the Maryland game.  I still just cannot see these kids in FSU's class.  I'm hoping though.
  • Homestead DB Keith Baxter is a new name for 2011 class.  Charles Fishbein of ESS ran a story on this kid, and I found one of his profiles here.  Measurables of 6'0'' 180 4.35 (confirmed) are pretty good, don't you think?
  • Treasure Coast LB Jeff Luc will be here for the Maryland game on an unofficial. Rumors still out there that he doesn't qualify for an EE.
  • On the new uniforms - As long as the recruits like them, they are cool with me. The players seem to really like them, and I can't believe that the recruits who are here to see them up close and personal won't have similar feelings.  Recruits seem to dig stuff like this. 

Inside - A potential DC's recruiting base, the Manuel effect, and a new DE offer (with video!)

Star-divide

Recent Offer:  DE Adrian Hubbard (Norcross High School, Norcross, GA)

As you can probably see, this kid has a lot of potential.  Seems like an athletic freak, he took his junior year off from football.  He is a big basketball player as well.  Uses his hands really well, and he flashes a great getoff on some of the plays.  Likes Bama, FSU, and South Carolina the most.  Hubbard will be visiting FSU on November 2st for the Maryland game (official visit).  This kid could be Julius Peppers if he realizes his potential (along with the right coach of course).

EJ Manuel Starts Against Wake Forest - Good for Recruiting?

Duh.  This is obvious.  Especially after Manuel's excellent performance.  FSU can now point to all its offensive recruits and say, "That's your quarterback." Besides, it proves (as if there was doubt) that Jimbo Fisher can develop a QB.  I was pretty impressed with Manuel's first start, and you must assume that 2011 stud QB Christian Lemay (who lives in North Carolina) was watching.  Here's hoping that Lemay was impressed, as Coach Fisher has been on him for almost a year.  He is probably the top target in the 2011 class.

The Importance of December 2009 and January 2010

December and January of this year might be two of the most pivotal months in FSU's football history.  I am willing to bet that the new defensive coordinator will want to announce his staff quickly.  Fisher knows they must hit ground running if they want to save this defensive class from ruin.  I would expect major targets visited in first few days (ie Joyner, Jones, ect).  There will be no wasted time. 

The importance of January is obvious.  The new defensive staff has to erase months (and maybe years) of negative recruiting from other schools.  They have to sell their new scheme and resume to recruits.  I think that several major recruits are just waiting on the new DC to be announced - just so they can feel good about FSU.  Hopefully the new staff can have a Kiffin-like impact.  Remember how well Tennessee finished last year with a new staff?  Let's hope the 'Noles can repeat this feat.

A look at one potential DC's recruiting base:

(note: I don't know who the new DC will be.  I honestly don't think anyone really knows.  Try to keep the comments section from a guessing game.)

Sal Sunseri:

Commitments
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Keenan Allen DB 6-3 195 4.56 Greensboro, NC
Alfy Hill DE 6-4 222 4.59 Shallotte, NC
Wilson Love DE 6-4 235 4.8 Birmingham, AL
Phillip Sims QB 6-2 209 4.8 Chesapeake, VA
Targets
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Jordan Hicks LB 6-2 220 4.58 West Chester, OH
Gabe King DE 6-6 253 4.6 Eugene, OR
Arie Kouandjio OL 6-6 314 5.2 Hyattsville, MD
LaDarius Owens LB 6-2 225 4.49 Bessemer, AL
Connor Wood QB 6-4 209 4.6 Houston, TX

Looking at this table, we can conclude that Sunseri recruits the Virginia and North Carolina areas extremely well.  Seeing as he used to be the Carolina Panther's DL coach, this makes sense.  He has a very good reputation in that area.  The Atlantic Coast is not really a strength of FSU; so, if Sunseri is hired, prospects in that area would probably take a harder look at FSU given a call from Sunseri.

How would Sunseri affect the 2010 FSU recruiting class if he is hired?

It would obviously help FSU.  These prospects want to know who will be coaching them for the next three to four years of football.  Sal is a pretty active recruiter; so, if one of those prospects happened to stop by Tuscaloosa for a visit, they probably ran into Sunseri.  I do think that Sunseri would close with most of the 'Noles major targets if he came to FSU.

Travis Jones:  Jones is currently working for the Saints.  He used to be the defensive line coach for the LSU Tigers.  He recruited and coached many of the defensive lineman that LSU is known for (Dorsey, ect.).

How would Jones affect the 2010 FSU recruiting class if he is hired?

I don't think that Jones would have the immediate affect that Sunseri would.  First off, his name is not that well known among recruits.  Jones proved to be a good recruiter while at LSU, but I would think that it would take time to built relationships with high school coaches and players. 

Kirby Smart:

2010 Class:

Commitments
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Ronald Carswell WR 6-0 180 4.5 Macon, GA
Corey Grant RB 5-10 186 4.4 Opelika, AL
DeMarcus Milliner DB 6-1 180 4.45 Millbrook, AL
Nick Perry DB 6-2 195 4.49 Prattville, AL
Austin Shepherd OL 6-4 316 5.5 Suwanee, GA
Brian Vogler TE 6-7 248 4.67 Columbus, GA
Targets
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Markeith Ambles WR 6-2 182 4.65 McDonough, GA
Brandon Burrows DE 6-3 240 4.7 Marietta, GA
Adrian Hubbard DE 6-7 227 Norcross, GA
Jawuan James OL 6-6 293 5.3 Suwanee, GA
Ken Malcome RB 6-0 213 4.54 Decatur, GA
Dequan Menzie DB 5-11 200 Wesson, MS
Craig Sanders DE 6-4 230 4.6 Ariton, AL
Jawara White LB 6-2 220 4.58 Troy, AL

Smart is a great recruiter.  Young and energetic, he recruits the Southeast area for Alabama mostly.  Smart, who is from Bainbridge, GA, really works over the Georgia area for the Tide.  There are no concerns about recruiting with Kirby.

How would Smart affect the 2010 FSU recruiting class if he is hired?

I have reason to believe he would have a very positive affect.  First off, he has made contact with many of the major recruits FSU is involved with.  Some of these kids are pretty familiar with Smart.  Kids also know how good this Alabama defense has been this year.  In my opinion, Smart would be the one guy that could easily secure FSU's major defensive targets, and then he might possibly take it to another level. 

If in fact Smart or Sunseri is named the DC, do not expect any 'Bama commits to switch to FSU. 

That's all for today.  The next update will probably be after the UF game.

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Well done!

"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 18, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Nice work, as always

I hate hearing the Hunter news.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

Couple of thoughts

-I don’t see Mitchell in this class. I think we lost out on him as of right now maybe the new DC will change things.
Just don’t buy into anything "uncle" says about Lamarcus Joyner. These rumors of him dropping FSU are getting ridiculous nothing more than wishful thinking. FSU will be in it til the end, and I still believe we land him.
I really like Hubbard. I think FSU can afford to take a chance on his potential (I view him as a David Perry risky take, but if he develops to potential, he is a boom prospect)
I agree on Lemonier with reports about Zook likely being retained, I think he still goes up north. Would LOVE to see him in this class though.
-Not very worried about Telvin, either Christian, Joyner, or Dorsey at this point. Confident on all of them.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not hearing good news about Telvin...

Expect him to wind up at UGA…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 18, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll see what happens with all of these kids in the next couple months

Keep in mind that not only will FSU have a great new DC, UGA may well lose theirs.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Richt is pretty loyal

Bowden Jr without the success.

by FSUSOM on Nov 18, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This weekend could be huge

A solid game from EJ, a win and the new uniforms can hopefully land us some commits. It’s looking like Smiley and McCloud are commits already, hopefully they can help “recruit” some at the game. Could be one of our biggest weekends of the year.

by TimScribble on Nov 18, 2009 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Smiley and McCloud have been commits since 2008

FSU did a magnificent job of hiding them from public eye

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you help explain this more

I guess you are talking about they signed out of the C/O 2008. Just because they signed there doesnt mean they have to stick with that school once they go JUCO, correct? What’s the process with JUCO, etc.

Or I guess you could just be saying they were always wanting to come to FSU.

by TimScribble on Nov 18, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

They signed in 2008

we placed them at a school we were confortable with and they redshirted them this year for us. Both have expressed their intent to return to FSU.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Nov 18, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

They both have set their sights on coming to FSU since they were placed at ICC

just a matter of them getting qualified first.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, good to see you here Tim

I wanted to direct you here from WC when you asked questions there but didn’t want to get banned.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I have been lurking around here for about a month. Im enjoying it much more than WC. I was mainly picking Brigg’s brain on WC that day, other than that, I dont usually find much info over there.

A lot more quality info here!

by TimScribble on Nov 18, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure we have covered this already but rather than search I'll just ask....

how many years of eligibilty will Smiley and McCloud have? 3 to play 3? or 2 to play 2? or something else?

by fsu44 on Nov 18, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

3 to play 3

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Nov 18, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It is my understanding you have a 5 year total time clock

that begins as soon as you start college. They’ll get their AAs and come as JuCo transfers, but this current year will be able to count towards a redshirt (think of it as an academic redshirt), thus making them RS Sophomores on FSU’s 2010 roster.

by ricobert1 on Nov 18, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

that's in essence saying the same thing

as 3 to play 3
referring to:

RS Sophomores

The five year clock actually starts when you enroll full time in any college.

Thus when Charlie Ward enrolled in Tallahassee Community College part time before enrolling at FSU in the fall of 1988, his clock didn’t start – he didn’t go full time until enrolling at FSU in 1989 (Ward was initially ineligible, but took community college courses in English and Math to boost his skills to pass the SAT or ACT).

by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 18, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You might want to check Hasean Clinton Dix’s and Keith Baxter’s paragraphs. It looks like you meant to put some links but they didn’t get added.

Thanks for the updates. Hopefully we’ll hear about a DC quickly after the season ends. If it’s Sunseri do you think we hear about it before or after Alabama’s bowl game?

by evenflow58 on Nov 18, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

If it's Sunseri, before the bowl game IMO

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

If it's Jones

Couldnt we still hear about it before the NFL season ends. I know Weiss was actively recruciting, etc before coming to ND while the NFL season/playoffs continued.

by TimScribble on Nov 18, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Stuff as usual...

Thanks a bunch for all the great content on the site. Been craving for some recruiting news.

Never been so anxious for the end of Football season but I really can’t wait to see what kind of changes are coming. GO NOLES!!!!

by BS37FSU on Nov 18, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Good work guys

I had the same thought about Lemay. The QB development going on here can’t be denied. I’d love to grab a few JUCO commits this weekend, obviously. Do we still feel good about Payne’s commitment pushing Dent toward us?

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 18, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I felt good about Dent before Payne committed

I think it’s been long enough for him to cool down and follow his heart.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I like how Jimbo and corey are spreading this out.

With the players on the team and the people coming in/ going after it like like we wont reload every year but move up. Thats how I see a team should be ran. I hate that term reload.

As for the WR, when we look at one are we looking at the total package or are we recruiting them for a special position like Slot, X and Y Wr.

For the RB are we going after bigger back with more power for the zone read and blocking of are we going after something else.

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by Desman on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

This year's crop of WR is is smaller (outiside of Green) and quicker/faster more suited toward playing the Y, but can be moved around a little

Last year we recruited big WRs, Smith and Haulstead are both very tall, suited to play the X.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Nov 18, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Smiley is your power back

Get used to seeing him on 3rd and short and goal-line situations in the beginning of his career at FSU- he’ll get more snaps as he learns the schemes.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Bud

Recruiting is really the key right now.

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 18, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Not me

This is the work done by our outstanding recruiting team.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 18, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not impressed with Hubbard

1. Took his junior year off? That tells me football is not important to him.

2. 9 reps of 185? He’s gonna get manhandled on the DL.

3. He looks pretty fast out there, but his lack of strength is obvious.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 18, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Bud has always said that true Freshmen DL don't typically contribute.

That says a lot about McDaniel and the state of our DL…but in regard to Hubbard he obviously has the frame to pack it on.

If our JuCos perform more than White did this year then they can hopefully help us get by while we build up our young prospects so that they can be plenty big by their RS Sophomore and Junior years. (Looking at Jenkins and McAllister first, but then any of the guys in the 2010 class)

Side note: Don’t mean to sound like a douche talking about my bench press, but I used to do 10x reps of 185 as my first set and I could probably only handle 12-14 of them in full, but I could bench max at 325ish. He’s just a senior in high school without a crazy S&C program. He’s 6’7 at ~17 years old so his body has been growing up and not filling out as much as the guys who are 19 or 20. I don’t find his bench press stat as big of a big let down. Show me his clean, squat, and deadlift maxes for a better feel of his conditioning for a BCS level DE.

by NOLEinTX on Nov 18, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He was a basketball kid, really just took off this year.

He has a great frame to add good weight, he won’t play anywhere as a freshman. Getting manhandled won’t be a problem.

Without much coaching he is already great using his hands, deflecting, eyeing his gap control, and has great speed once it gets going. Kid has a world of potential.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Nov 18, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I second that

The hand-eye coordination, balance and footwork that you gain from basketball you just can’t replace….

I’ve played sports with a million football minded guys and they just don’t have that footwork unless they played soccer or basketball as well.

The ability to make swift turns in tight spaces is invaluable—and if you watched that video you would see Hubbard using that lateral quickness to bounce all over the place and make plays.

by Trus1te on Nov 18, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a great Character kid that comes from a solid family as well

Working wouldn’t be a problem for Hubbard. His potential is off the charts. Also have to remember bench press is often a weak spot for guys with long arms. Justin Mincey and Demonte McAllister’s bench press numbers are relatively low as well. This kid is 17 yrs old, he’s 6’7, 230 lbs and very lean. He’s not thin. If he gets to FSU and takes a RS he could easily gain 25-35 lbs and probably retain the athletic ability to play Jack in a 3-4. When you think about it he really is a physical freak. He’s a shade smaller than Lebron James was coming out of High School and he runs like a Small Forward. Forgive my basketball comparison but its something to remember. As big as the kid is, remember he’s more of a SF athlete than a PF athlete. He’s the type of kid you’d rather have on your team than any other. His offer sheet is filling up fast and a lot of the heavy hitters are already calling. As many people will say about recruiting (especially on defense) if he’s good enough for Saban he’s likely good enough for anybody.

by truenole87 on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Manny Diaz comes on staff as LB or DE coach with each of those DC picks?

I want him associated with FSU again as much as anyone. Just curious of you guys’ thoughts.

by NOLEinTX on Nov 18, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Someone made a good point, I think it was Wild,

about him being a potential candidate for a HC job. Rick Stockstill is in discussions with Memphis about their job- you’d think Diaz would be a favorite to succeed him at MTSU.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes sense

If Kirby Smart comes here and rights the ship on defense after our >#100 ranked defense in 2009 then he’ll be offered a solid HC job soon after. Maybe that brings Diaz to us down the road as DC after HC at MTSU.

by NOLEinTX on Nov 18, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

it was in the hot seats thread I believe – that discussion went astray, but that’s ok. Memphis was supposedly favoring either Stockstill or LSU assistant Larry Porter (a Memphis alum). But a quick google to see if any thing has changed, and it appears that Stockstill is “withdrawing” – the euphemism commonly used to indicate that Memphis has chosen a different candidate, or at least Stockstill’s interviews didn’t go well. Source: Memphis Commercial Appeal website.

That would block Diaz from taking the MTSU job – unless Stockstill withdrew due to interest for jobs at schools that give Stockstill a better chance to succeed.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 18, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Lamarcus Joyner

really hope we can get him, he says hes waiting until the very end to make his decision though….I went to STA and ive seen him in action personally and the kid is going to do big things

by fearthespear13 on Nov 18, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

LJ

visiting this weekend

by Noles7 on Nov 18, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Just read, Luc is supposed to be here also. Thanks for pointing me in that direction.

by TimScribble on Nov 18, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it’s an unofficial

by cousinjay on Nov 18, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

from what i understand yes. I’ve read he only has one class to finish up and should still enroll early.

by cousinjay on Nov 18, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he is anymore.

I think he will sign on NSD. Tough battle.

by FSUSOM on Nov 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Luc is no longer an EE

best news there could be for FSU, but I still think he goes to UF or UT.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Have we offered

Robert Johnson … whats the plan there?

by Noles7 on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

A couple of people said Safety?

But I don’t know where he fits in if we’re thinking WR.

by truenole87 on Nov 18, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there is a shot with Sanders.

He is now confirmed in visiting this weekend. We were his childhood favorite and I think he would give us a good look. It will be difficult to pull him from Ole Miss and MSU but we have a good shot if we screw around with him like we did Dent. I think he would be a great FS.

by ryandinho on Nov 19, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Check out this comment by some sap on AC's blog

REGARDING ANN BOWDENS COMMENTS

“Thes comments remind of the teenage kid that thinks their parents are old and lame, rather than being appreciative and respectful of the sacrafices made for their enrichment.

Bowden realities:

1. Without Bobby FSU wouldn’t be in the ACC, more likely the Big East (fun) if you’re lucky.

2. All the big named stars (Dion, Ward, Brookes, Dunn) are part of another school’s history without Bobby.

3. No way FSU has 2 National Championships without Bobby (see item 2 above).

Bowden-bashers need to get tight-lipped and pay the dues owed to a man that has given FSU relevancy in today’s modern college football world. Wihtout him you’re UCF or USF or JU… the list goes on.

It’s no wonder these comments are coming from FSU faithful. Compared with other major programs, most founded in the mid 1800’s, FSU is an adolescent program in the grand sqeam of things. They’ve only been playing football since 1947.

Maybe this debate will mature Bowden-bashing alumni, as the shame of what they’re doing to this living legend is put in the context of history.

Ann speaks the truth, period."

by ryanjames46 on Nov 18, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

uh oh.

He said “period”. I think we all know who this is.

by NolenRyan on Nov 18, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

You would have a lot more credibility if you could correctly spell the names of the “big name stars”. It’s Deion, not Dion. Brooks, not Brookes.

What the heck is a sqeam?

by noles0804 on Nov 18, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think speculation is very dangerous......

I do appreciate BB for lots of things. That being said, you can’t guess what a “parallel universe” would look like. We may have ended up w/ more NC’s. We may have ended up in the SEC. We may have gone back to all-girls!(JK) Playing this game is foolish on either side of the coin.

by Scalpemall on Nov 18, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not this crap again

Can we please not ruin the recruiting thread with this?

PETA may have to intervene if we keep beating up this dead horse

by samnite on Nov 18, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or...

We’re currently in our dynasty years under FSU alum Mack Brown as head coach. There’s no way we could have known how things would turn out without BB, which is why I do appreciate what he’s done for the program, but would never give him a pass if he is doing something detrimental to the program. Realistically, with all the talent in Florida and UF’s past suspensions, I would be shocked if we weren’t a big time program under some one else. In all honesty I think Mickey had more to do with our success than Bobby.

by FSUPhi1584 on Nov 19, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Are grades still a concern with Deas?

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by RaysnNoles on Nov 18, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure.

If his grades are fine, he will be at FSU.

by FSUSOM on Nov 18, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Expect a big weekend for FSU.

Not a big weekend in terms of committments. I think only Smiley and McCloud make it official. I think it’ll be more of a second chance. A new start with some new jerseys. A win being a bowl berth is huge. Luc, Joyner, Dent, Terrell, Cummings together talking about how they’re going to be the future of this defense. Hopefully we can get some red carpet for Dent.

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Nov 18, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

I think they will too.

But I won’t expect a committment. He’s still got a OV for Miami in January.

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Nov 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

what took them so long to offer?

If he’s as good as everyone says he is and he’s always wanted to be in tally, then what was the hold up? Not enough film?

by j-will on Nov 18, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna give a predicted class (this is difficult)

QB – Clint Trickett

Only needed one, got the best QB in Florida.

RB – Debrale Smiley

Don’t think FSU can turn Rajion Neal but others say they can. Skeptical.

WR – Christian Green
WR – Kenny Shaw
WR – DJ Johnson
WR – Jarrod Haggins

Very good. Green is a star.

TE/HBack Tank Sessions
TE/HBack Brandon Mosley (JuCo)

Tank is a high reward type of guy. Mosley is a great blocker.

OL
OL

Not even gonna guess.

DE Tavaris Barnes
DE Wayne Dorsey
DE Adrian Hubbard
DT Amp McCloud
DT Damien Jacobs
DT Cameron Erving
DL Charles Deas
DL Darious Cummings
DL Scardino Daniels

Excellent for our needs. One kid that could sneak in this class is Eric Humphrey, a DL from Texas. Crazy athlete, dunno if the ’Noles will offer.

LB Telvin Smith
LB Christian Jones
LB Nigel Terrell
LB Holmes Onwukaife

Obviously if someone like Luc wants in he will be in.

CB Lamarcus Joyner
CB Terrence Brooks
CB Terrence Mitchell
S Chad Abrams
DB Greg Dent

Joyner, Brooks, and Dent are stars.

Thoughts?

by FSUSOM on Nov 18, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Looks pretty good to me

If Alabama wants Hubbard, he’ll be there. I am not convinced that Clemson is out of it yet either.

Don’t know if our coaches will choose to accept Scardino Daniels or not.

If Coach Haggins is let go and his nephew decides to leave (though I think he stays), look for Robert Johnson to fill that spot.

Looks like a lot of noise around Merrill Noel coming back, just saw that WC put a story up. At this point, I think Noel will be in the class instead of Mitchell. I really think FSU is on the outside looking in with Mitchell, and Noel is still a decent prospect.

Even though there’s only the slimmest of chances, I’d love to see the Hawaiian LB Akuna in there, especially if Smith flips.

Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!

by NoleThruandThru on Nov 18, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Haven't looked at the Akuna kid.

Don’t really want Noel, and the roster doesn’t exactly need more DBs (especially if the rumors about Rhodes being the best DB on the team are true).

If Cummings falls through, then Daniels will be in the class, imo.

by FSUSOM on Nov 18, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take that in a second.

That’s a top 15 class, maybe top 10.

The needs we must address in this class were all over the defensive side of the ball, and his defensive class is outstanding.

by tdchrisdavis on Nov 18, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

This would be a great class, however I think it might be a bit unrealistic. 3 guys I think we won’t get are Dent, Smith, and Mitchell. Hopefully we can swing Dent back our way, but he wants to play some offense and I don’t think FSU will offer that. Mitchell I think ends up at Georgia, although a change in DC at that school might change that. He also is looking to play right away. Smith I think has eyes on Florida, but with a new DC we might be able to get him back. The Swamp is looking mighty tempting to him though. Someone else on your list of course probably will slip through the cracks as well although I would be very happy if we were able to land this class especially on the defensive side. Nice job FSUSOM.

by 1newplayer on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear Hubbard is a Bama lean...

And I don’t think Mitchell will be a Nole, but it’s as good as any I’ve seen…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 19, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts
If Coach Haggins is let go and his nephew decides to leave (though I think he stays), look for Robert Johnson to fill that spot.

Agree with NTandT’s thoughts above re: Robert Johnson, although I could see us perhaps rolling the dice and taking 5 WRs.

re: where that extra spot comes from, I think Mitchell won’t be part of this class and we get the other 4 DBs you have listed.

I really wish there was a JUCO LB or 2 that we could get just for depth purposes, preferably ones that were 3 for 3 as that would really help with our not ruining the team at LB again. By that I mean, we have basically all of our LBs as SOs this year and only Vince Williams will be a year behind them (in 2010). Adding a JUCO or 2 to that “class” would help add balance to our LB classes.

"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi

by RishiM on Nov 19, 2009 5:25 AM EST up reply actions  

heard holmes is close to getting an offer from texas fwiw

by Fredric on Nov 18, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

That = suck

I like Holmes quite a bit.

by FSUSOM on Nov 18, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure he'll flip for Texas anymore....

They know they are missing out on Hicks, but heard he’s set on FSU now…hope I’m right.

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 19, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

This is my official Orta for BB 2011 post....

Put that kid in there…lol

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 19, 2009 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

Since we had DC talk in this post, I'll ask about S&C Coach

I don’t think Stroud will stay once the changes on the staff are made (think his loyalty is with Bowden/Amato and not Fisher).

I’m wondering if anyone is hearing anything about possible replacements. We obviously have a need to help with our lineman and LBs add good weight and quickly. I believe the OL all have the capabilities of maintaining all of their speed and quickness and adding upwards of 20lbs each (among the starters) and even more than that for the non-starters (as most of them are even younger than the starters).

"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi

by RishiM on Nov 19, 2009 5:20 AM EST reply actions  

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/viloria_vic00.html

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 19, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice

has the Jimbo tie!

:)

"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi

by RishiM on Nov 19, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I apoligize in advance for going dumb, but...

What’s the difference between an official and an unofficial visit? I understand that a player can only have 5 official visits, but other than that what is the difference?

by cousinjay on Nov 19, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Dent is a no go for this weekend

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 19, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah like I stated above

I think he is a lost cause. Guy thinks he belongs on offense and feels as though we basically snubbed him. He’s a Cane unfortunately.

by 1newplayer on Nov 19, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Reason for not making the trip?

That sucks. I hope he ends up a Nole in the near future.

by CSI Nole on Nov 19, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure.

Glades Central is in the playoffs, so that might have something to do with it.

by FSUSOM on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting posts from soflafootball.com... Luke does a pretty good job from the Muck to the Keys.

http://www.soflafootball.com/fan-forum/topic.php?id=1036

http://www.soflafootball.com/fan-forum/topic.php?id=993
He told me last night he’s probably going to stay with Miami when I asked him. He understands his commitment to UM caused the offer to finally come. He has been talking to FSU assistant Dexter Carter a couple times a week for several weeks now though, so the relationship the two have built could swing him to FSU.

Give it a couple weeks and we will all get a better read on Dent. The emotions are a little high right now.

by noles 4 life u dig? on Nov 20, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Dexter Carter being his main recrutiter....

That could be the reason for all this mess in the first place… Can’t imagine Coley letting this kid get away.

by noles 4 life u dig? on Nov 20, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

the weather will do us zero favors on Saturday.

Quite a shame again. Not that rain will devastate the weekend experience, but damn, you wish it would be a day like today.

by The K-Man on Nov 20, 2009 2:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

CJ Mizell

Anybody know the status on this guy?

by ryanjames46 on Dec 3, 2009 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Deas has to be a lock

In ’06 he signed to LSU recruited by Fisher

In ’07 he signed with Auburn recruited by Gran

by marlins44 on Dec 7, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

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