Ann Bowden Is Delusional- Scalpem takes on Bobby's wife
What a mess. Scalpem.com does a nice job showing her where she's wrong. And that's basically everywhere. I might have something up later but this is well worth the click and read.
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I want to smack her
I read this article about an hour ago and sat the entire time in disbelief. We need the Bowdens more than they need us?? This is so stupid it’s funny. This woman is in serious need of an ego check
"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"
Thanks for the link
It’s almost sad how arrogant she comes across. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Have you see this???
by Bud Elliott on Nov 18, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Some interesting points...
Bobby’s contract expires January 4th, 2010. Apparently Ann isn’t aware of that. There’d be no need to fire Bobby, simply don’t renew his contract for another year. Let him take the $1 million bonus he’s due.
A lot has been made of Jim Smith’s comments in past months, but not many have talked about another FSU Trustee and large donor. That would be Manny Garcia (same guy who has his name on the locker room). Read his comments at the end of this article:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-10-06/sports/0910050159_1_bowden-jim-smith-tallahassee/2
True....
but our problems haven’t changed. Look at this article from 2006. Seems like it’s been the same thing over and over at FSU for years now…nobody wanting to step up, be a leader, and make a tough decision.
That article
Just shows that Bobby has been playing the “it’s turning around, next season will be great” card for many years now.
It’s time to put an end to the shenanigans. It’s time Bobby, the ebay commands it….
Jimbo 2010
He hasn't turned anything around...not fooling anyone with that bollocks
Jimbo’s turned to Offense around without any help from Bowden, JF hired our current ace recruiter(Coley), and I know someone like wolfie will argue that Bowden hired JF, more bollocks
If Bowden had his way JB would still me fogging up the pressbox window as OC, and wow his buddy Amato hire and the Allen hire have really done us well.
Nobody’s giving him credit for any improvement we make going forward as they shouldn’t.
nice of Wolffbird7 to chime in on the ScalpEm article
Nothing describes sense of entitlement better than putting “DESERVES” in all caps.
When somebody says you’re too loud, shout back, “No I am not!!!”.
Nice.
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 11:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think wolfbird is effin crazy.
by MattDNole on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you did? when praytell did you ask?
It’s a nickname a child gave me and it is an easy screen name for all my accounts, don’t need to wollf’nole or FSUwolff or any such nonsense. Thanks for asking sweety. I have an opinion and will give it, didn’t know that there was a ban on not agreeing with the brilliant “beautiful” minds here and elsewhere. I find it fun and a bit exhilarating to be honest with you. I am all excited to hop on the plane Friday morning and head south to FLA. I will be there Saturday with my jersey and camera and will do what I do each game, home or away, cheer for FSU. I will be happy when we beat Maryland, as I was last week in Winston-Salem. Speaking of… boy, they must just be happy for what success they have had the last few years, those sad sacks in Winston was not booing the coach and having just a pissy attitude in general. It was refreshing actually. I gues when you put too many lawyers or lawyers in training together this is what you get… an abundance of BS and sarcastic and nastiness as well. GO SEMINOLES! (players, coaches, boosters, etc…) the rest can go to hell
Yesssssss. So glad to see you. Let's see if we can nail down your stance.
Because each time I try, it’s like nailing jello to a tree. Is it:
A) Don’t criticize anyone at all and support whoever FSU throws out there
2) Bobby deserves to stay as long as he wants because he built this program
D) You’re better than us
green) All of the above
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I think I answered on the other site
Did anybody think he was voluntarily going before the end of 2010 season? do you think he just made that up himself? and, if the Bowden’s are this monster family running out of control, well… FSU created and fed and supported the monster… now, there are those who were willing participants that want the “problem” to just quietly go away. hahahahaha wouldn’t we all like it if our created problems just went away without a sound.
So, in sum
You don’t disagree that Bobby should be gone, you simply think the FSU administration created the Bowden monster and fed his ego to the point that he won’t go quietly. This I actually agree with completely.
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However, this doesn't explain why you're antagonistic toward us
So, I’ll give you the multiple choice opportunity to explain your thoughts again
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I didn't start that...
uh, I remember being called a fool, and then a comment or two was directed at my sanity. in good fun? ok, then 90% of my jabs are in good fun. I guarantee you I am not a wise ass looking to argue, have too much “real life” crap to deal with for that. I was friendly and complimentary to the people who put in a lot of work for the posts on here, but name calling goes both ways…
So would you be opposed to FSU slitting the throat of this created monster?
Cause I promise you it will get messy.
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If that was what was talked about in the confines of the AD’s office or wherever it was, I think he should be allowed to finish that. There was a reason Fisher’s deal states Jan. 2011… again, if that was not the intent, somebody goofed up. If 2010 ends and he still wants to stay, I think it would be a mistake and that’s one I pray wouldn’t happen. I think the passing of the torch at a 2010 season BCS bowl would be a nice ending for everybody. I never said he should stay til death. I just think promises were made or implied and now… cold feet. well, sorry Charlie if they don’t go away quietly. Would you? would you not defend you father? or wife? or whatever? I know no job, school, church, would make me be quiet if I perceived my family being hung out to dry. That is just me, if I am wrong, I am wrong.
This raises a couple of questions
First: Do you think that Bobby Bowden is in any way helping the program right now?
-since I can’t imagine anyone trying to answer ‘yes’ to this question, I’ll move on to the question a ‘no’ answer brings up
Do we owe him anything other than what we’ve already given him?
-This is another no. FSU has given him millions upon millions of dollars. They have been responsible for the hirings of all of his sons, and are still paying one of them for being a horrible coach after allowing Bobby to break nepotism laws in hiring him. FSU has allowed him to stay on as head coach after he would have been fired from any other major university in America for poor performance over the past 8 years. Florida State owes Bobby Bowden nothing anymore. He is holding our program back. It’s time for him to go.
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when somebody is 80 years old and near the bottom of contributions in their respective profession...
…I don’t that they, as you so eloquently put it, DESERVE what they want.
If we were having this discussion 3 years ago, I could have more sympathy. But we’re talking about 2 entire recruiting classes that paid to ride The Sheikra and left 4 years later having ridden The Tea Cups.
The players and contributing fans of the University are the ones that DERSERVE something.
P.S. – got any good lawyer jokes?
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes, but they all end in...
a calamity of some sort resulting in zero remaining members of that species/fraternity/cult/klan/ whatever they want to be called.
This is nothing more than a money grab
He’s not going to be back. FSU is buying him out. The Bowden’s are a sad group. Very tragic. They just want hush money.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 18, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad you're standing firm.
I have people chickening out on me, as I sense alot of us do. And of course I have zero confidence in FSU and am prepared to accept any scenario that plays out.
I hope its not chickening out....I just think as this thing gets messier people will get squeamish
I for one think that there is no reason to hang around another year. He cannot catch JoePa with or without the removed wins, he will have very few people in his corner, any wins he gains without power will be hollow and finally, he can make more money with the buyout and do nothing.
However, if Bowden truly thinks that perhaps he can parlay a successful next season into a buyout of Jimbo, or paying Jimbo the $5 million or some other nonesense, then we will have a bloodbath on our hands. Bowden will destroy FSU to anyone who will listen and it will create shockwaves among boosters who align with him, fans who align with him, future recruits (especially ones who played for him) and the mass media as a whole. I do not think that FSU wants that at all.
In the end, no matter how you feel about him, he is the ambassador of this program in so many people’s eyes. They will lose the nerve when push comes to shove in this battle.
I don’t see the doom and gloom scenario you are relaying here. I think most people realize we will not be better until he leaves. Look at the stands, they’re pratically empty. If Bowden were to dig his heels in it would only make him look old, bitter, and scared. All FSU has to do is name Fisher the head coach and tell Bowden that the athletic department has decided to go in a different direction. When the team almost immediately improves under Fisher, which I think it will, nobody will want to talk about Bowden’s ouster.
Casual fans would beg to differ
I have a ton of friends that are “casual” fans by my standards. Season ticket holders, go to all the games, tailgate, get all the new FSU attire for that year…blah blah blah. Every single one of them believes that Bowden should come back one more year, some believe as long as he wants. I want to believe that more people are in the know about what is really going on but from most people I meet that is not the sentiment.
I agree, fans are fickle, and if we dump Bowden and suddenly do really well then the Bowden fiasco will heal and soon be forgotten. But what if we have a season of 8-4 or 7-5 while getting our coaches settled in to new positions and such.
I am not predicting anything, my point was that some people are backing away from getting rid of Bowden at the end of this year because they dread how it might all play out.
I think you make a valid point.
In 2007-2008 the admin obviously thought this would all play out by 2011. I suspect it was assumed, but not discussed at that time, that
a) Bobby would gracefully walk away and not try to undermine the deal, if not actually acknowledge it publicly at some point;
2) he wouldn’t be keeping an underperforming D staff in place to assure the D is ranked in the bottom 25;
D) fans would not be staying away in droves and revenues would not be drying up as his non-leadership continued to cause a colossal FAIL; and
green) our recruting completely wouldn’t be tanking as recruits and opposing coaches see no immediate end to this debacle.
In other words, the FSU admin mismanaged this transition from the start, and didn’t lay down the terms and conditions up front.
And that’s no surprise.
The question is, "How do we clean up this mess- end it now, or wait until it gets even worse due to some ill conceived notion that Bobby still “deserves” to make it worse?"
The sad part is....
most “fans” don’t see it as going to get worse. I think they keep thinking Bobby is going to do what is right for the program, even when his recent track record proves otherwise. Then there is the Bobby = God group, and there’s just no explanation for them….
Also, I like how people are using my expanded numbering system….green seems to be the favorite.
was asked before...
and undoubtedly I was rude, soooooo… yes, a child. my own thank you. before we have pedo jokes… those are always so damned funny
7
number I wore in baseball, most accounts have a alpha/numeric combo. I hope the witness can step down now
Excuse me, I didn't dismiss you.
I’m not through with my examination. Sit down Colonel.
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Yes!
I love that movie
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Nov 18, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Was "wolfbird7" really taken?
Had to add the extra f
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
CTC as a wolfbird?
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
by RaysnNoles on Nov 18, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
a wolffbird has sharp talons.
Probably my favorite animal.
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I liked FrankDNole's 1st version
interpretation of a wolffbird. if you have not placed a copyright on it, I may want to use it for a tattoo or for letterhead or who knows… many uses. The 2nd one is a bit girly and while I have been accused of many things, girly has not been one of them. I feel honored and humbled by the attention. uhhh, nah. I get it. more “ribbing”. oh well… I shall continue to fight the good fight for all things just and honorable… or, making it simple… ALL THINGS BOWDEN!
K-Man, can you set up a 12 month around the world cruise for the Bowden family that leaves around January 3, 2010? We would appreciate your help.
Also, go ahead and make extra reservations for the wolfman, his wolfgirl, and the little wolffies.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I don't even understand wolffbird's stance anymore
He doesn’t really have a hardline view on anything. Other than that he’s better than us.
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Better there than here, however I am willing to bet we have not seen the last of him.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I just saw one of those flap by my window a few minutes ago. Actually, it banged into the glass, collected itself, and then stared at me with contempt before swooping off.
You don’t think…. No, it couldn’t…. Nothing, nevermind.
Are you sure it didn't keep banging it's head against the glass repeatedly, before deciding to fly off.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Nov 18, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
better than?
nope, no words like that. I just don’t agree that the ills of the world begin and end with the dreaded BOWDEN clan. now, if that makes me “out there” then so be it. My future in no way hinges on the thoughts of fellow sports fans on a message board. I thought this was for fun and to discuss various views. hmmmmm… must be wrong. It’s a shame, the ESPN boards are full of fools who still make Yo’ Mamma jokes. I hoped this was a place to just exchange our views. I would say wouldn’t it boring if everybody felt the same, but I think that is what is wanted here. drink the kool-aid, drink up wolffbird, hmmmm… I get it! BOBBY MUST GO! BOBBY MUST GO!
clarification:
I think I answered on the other site. Did anybody think he was voluntarily going before the end of 2010 season? do you think he just made that up himself? and, if the Bowden’s are this monster family running out of control, well… FSU created and fed and supported the monster… now, there are those who were willing participants that want the "problem" to just quietly go away. hahahahaha wouldn’t we all like it if our created problems just went away without a sound
As usual...
…wolffbird has raised more questions that answers.
hahahahaha wouldn’t we all like it if our created problems just went away without a sound
With that, the phantom took flight, dancing through the midnight sky, leaving behind only a trace of the shadow of the mystery that is… wolffbird7. “Did our created problem go away, Daddy?” His gaze was so innocent, the starlight reflecting in his misty glance. “I don’t know, lad. He always comes back. Or she. A she thay played baseball. Or a he that calls other men ‘sweety.’ What do you think, son?” He looked to the ground, sullen and trembling. “I don’t know, Daddy. Did you have any other questions for him?” I put my arm around the boy’s shoulder. Where had the time gone? What had happened to his youth? When did my little boy become a young man? “Yes, son,” I answered, staring off into the distance. “Several.”
by TRMNole on Nov 18, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
when reading TN from your phone,,,
You don’t see the author until the very end, and the anticipation builds with extra long posts.
I knew this was TRM from about sentence 3.
For the record, I also have Frank, FSUn, and MattD pegged as well.
Desman, you’re not tough to guess either!
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
your viewpoint is different than mine and most people I know.
Here’s my perfect world:
A) FSU to win football games
2) The University as a whole to be lifted by the rising tide of gridiron success
D) the local economy to achieve the same success it experience a decade ago
Green) attending/watching games to be fun again. To feel like FSU has a direction and purpose
Z) the see a coaching legend save face, know when to fold ‘em, and collect the dignity he has left
Radon) to not sacrifice A thru Z on behalf of one man’s feelings. A man supposedly steeped in Christian ideals and Southern class, whatever the hell that means.
The last point is failing miserably.
So please criticize me for sarcastically disagreeing with your “position”, but I tend to align myself with people who believe in my modest demands.
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 8:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no problemo.
I’ll put in a special request for “oceanview suite: 35 cases of Diet Coke, 48 kilos of roasted peanuts, and a sequoia worth of tissues”
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's a great European cruise for Ann
Norwegian Cruise Line – Norwegian Jade
Departs February 14, 2010 from Barcelona, returns February 26, 2010
Ports of Call:
Barcelona
Civitavecchia (Rome)
Piraeus (Athens)
Izmir
Alexandria (Cairo)
Valletta
It’s a 12-day European cruise for only $719! But of course Boosters would cover the price tag, so no worries for Ann there.
You guys are right, she is out of line
But I think it might help those of us who want to get him out. No one is going to believe that the university needs Bowden more than he needs the university, least of all the administration that can see the bottom line or the big time boosters who haven’t been contributing as much.
I think this only further exposes Bowden and his family as completely out of touch with the situation.
when I picture the FSU administration..
…First thing that comes to mind is the stammering, nervous, acne-riddled fast food worker from “The Simpsons”.
“But..uhhhh..Mr. Bowden..uhh…a 3-year extension would conflict with Mr. Fisher’s buyout clause…uhh…ohh mann….”
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Brick by brick, this family will tear the house down.
That we have to count on Ann to help the cause with this rhetoric is such a shameful damnation of our leadership at Florida State. Yes, it helps open eyes when she unzips her maw and spews, but it shouldn’t be necessary, and believe me, it’s damaging. The intent is to damage. Have no doubt. Every move has been calculated and will continue to be. There are no coincidences. No one in the Bowden family speaks out of turn and risks anything without knowing what they’re doing. This isn’t a game to them either.
Should us, the fans get our own PR firm?
Stupid idea? I am not so sure about that. Since some of us have quit contributing $ and going to the games why not re-direct that money to our own "for the fans" PR firm. I see many possibilities…..
Give me something to think about. Who would organize it? How would people contribute?
No offense, but it doesn’t seem rational.
No offense taken. That is why I threw it out there to chew on.
That’s the thing, I am not sure who could step up to organize it and contribute to make it happen. The idea is simply holistic at best and is most likely more attainable through the traditional route via the boosters. If the fans were able to have an organizational exposure against this nonsense I do feel that it would help our cause for the Bowden era to go away quicker.
by Florida_State on Nov 18, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
This may be a given, but I think we’d all be in agreeance that if the Bowden family attitude were different very few people would be pushing for Bobby’s removal. I’m not even going as far as for him to acknolwedge that Jimbo is running the show, but simply Bobby saying things like “I really love FSU, and want to stay and coach at this school, we’ve got a great QB and a ton of potential next year and I’d like to be around for that, etc.” would make a world of difference in my opinion. At that point, who’s going to say “no, F you bowden, get out,”? Very few people actually want to play the “fire bobby” hand, but he’s all but calling the schools bluff.
Somebody else made reference to this many weeks ago, but Bobby’s got the attitude like “I brought this football program into the world, and I’ll take it out of the world too”.
Ehhh. His attitude doesn't help.
But Mickey has been a saint compared to Bobby and we still support his exit this year. We wish the best for Mickey, but we realize that he is no longer a guy that should be coaching. Bobby could have a good attitude and I think we’d still be pointing out that he is no longer fit to be coaching at Florida State and that he is holding us back.
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very good point
If he asked nicely, I think a lot of us will support that. But he’s Bobby Bowden he made FSU, he deserve, it’s his right to demand and get another year.
That’s why i think he should just get fired.
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
Brandon B
Don’t give the Bowden clan, “Wolfbird” any ideas they are probably reading this.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
This was good for FSU
Shows the world the Bowdens’ true colors.
by FSUGrad99 on Nov 18, 2009 12:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So much for my appetite for lunch.
"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."
That should be the nail in the coffin (pun intended)
Ann has called the administration out!
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Her comments have gone from bothersome to comical...
Before her rhetoric was “big bad university picking on loyal employee”, which does sound bad if you didn’t know anything about the situation. Now it’s switched to ""we don’t need the university as much as they need us", which is the sad ramblings of a lame duck coach and his wife who doesn’t want to give up that paycheck she’s gotten used to spending. This just reinforced to me that BB is done…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
No offense taken. That is why I threw it out there to chew on.
That’s the thing, I am not sure who could step up to organize it and contribute to make it happen. The idea is simply holistic at best and is most likely more attainable through the traditional route via the boosters. If the fans were able to have an organizational exposure against this nonsense I do feel that it would help our cause for the Bowden era to go away quicker.
This is absurd
FSU better tell these clowns to take a hike after this season. I always revered Bobby but after the way he and Ann have acted with their egos…good riddance. If Bowden is back in ANY capacity next year it will show that nobody at this school has the guts to stand up to them. HEY BOBBY, ITS FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY, NOT BOWDEN STATE UNIVERSITY!!! Nobody is bigger than the program!
“If Bowden is back in ANY capacity next year it will show that nobody at this school has the guts to stand up to them.”
Anne does not even think anyone in the school has the guts to stand up to him. She called out FSU.
I know
she doesn’t think anyone will, I’m saying someone needs to prove her wrong.
by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 18, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think she wants to go toe-to-toe with Jim Smith
When a so called good friend and very powerful man in his own right, calls your husband out, probably not a good idea to run your mouth, considering he is the top of the University food chain.
Anyone else notice...
…that this comment was conveniently left out of the Democrat’s reprint of the USA Today article?
“They’ll have to fire him for him not to go another year … If they’ve got guts enough to do it, let them do it.”
I found that interesting…
Also, I am willing to set up a PayPal account for “The Bowden’s European Cruise Fund”. If everyone gave $20, maybe we’d have enough to give them a nice going away present…
One of two things must occur:
A) the phrase “The Bowdens = Class” must be outlawed.
After 1994, nobody said, “OJ Simpson = fun-loving guy”. Things change.
or
2) The term “class” must be redefined by Merriam-Webster. By the new Bowden standard, class now means going to church and not swearing on camera. No other stipulations required.
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 1:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I want to make talking about ones own or someone else's class (especially the Bowden's)
A ban-worthy offense on TN
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Feel free to email Andy Miller (Seminole Boosters)
My season tickets and booster donation renewal for 2010 will hinge on whether Bobby is allowed to return.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Nov 18, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions
My take on Bowden
I could really care less if Bobby comes back next season or not. It’s the Defensive coaching staff that i’m more concerned about. Assuming Jimbo is allowed to make the pick on the new DC and several of the D position coaches are upgraded, who cares if Bowden comes back or not. I get tired of the whole “Bowden” argument. Sure i’d love a head coach that did, well, anything, but one more year of BB doesn’t bother me. In saying that, I may have to enroll at USF for my masters if the defensive coaching staff doesn’t change!
You should care
That’s 2.5M that would be free’d up to spend on the defensive coaching staff. Given the decline in ticket sales and booster donations, FSU needs to save where ever it can.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Nov 18, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Bowden has stopped putting the University and the football program before himself. We aren’t Notre Dame, $2.5M is a lot of money. Time for him to go.
by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 18, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
The D staff is the bigger long term problem, but it may be difficult to acquire a good one with all of this bowden crap that is lingering. Its just a giant mess.
by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 18, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not just the money
Having Bowden as a head coach again next year means we lose our ace in the hole when it comes to recruiting also. We know Bowden does not hit the recruiting trail at all. I think another poster said it best when he described (and I am paraphrasing)….
What would impress you more, seeing Urban Meyer sitting in the stands, recruiting you, watching you play following your every move….a national championship winning coach or the FSU TE coach…..this is no disrespect to Coach Coley as I think he is the best recruiter we got but you get my point.
Bowden being retained removes the advantage we could have instead of when Jimbo visits a recruit and still has to say he is HCIW…..
Boosters
My only hope that Bobby leaves this year hinges on Andy having two spread sheets that say “this is our financial contribution if you stay and this is our commitments if you leave. If you are for the university and this team, I’m sure you understand what to do.” Then shut up and let the old man make his move.
Anything short of financial facts I just don’t see working with the political machine that is Bobby. He’ll be back otherwise.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Nov 18, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions
Possible opportunity wasted?
With ND looking to get rid of Weis and the rumors that they may go after Urban, this would be the perfect opportunity for FSU to regain a little ground it lost against UF. If we picked a DC soon with JF as the head coach and Urban left, then we would be the program with stability for once in how ever many years this chaos has gone on. But no, apparently BB has "formed" some special attachment to CP who when signed was thought just to be a ‘program’ kid to call in the plays. Who i.d. his talent, developed him, and had to push for him to start? BB had opportunities to coach with Rix and DW in their senior season, and those seasons turned out real well didn’t they?
who do you think starts at QB in 2008 if Bobby makes the call on his own?
Oh, Ann. You’re such a silly goose. What are we gonna do with you?
(Hint: Holland-America)
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BB 2008 QB depthchart...
1)DW 2)DW 3)DW 4)CP 5)Emanual Jsomething 6)Devontray Rixer…Huh,Huh.,Huh. what did you say? Oh my QB is Danny McMAnnus. what, what, huh, huh? I’ll finish this later I got to go to a supper. Hey, Christian Green where did you park my car? Can you go pull it up for me, I have a supper to go to. Huh?
Charlie Crist now? Seriously . . .
http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20091118/FSU03/91118015/-1/RSS06
I’m just getting fed up. All of his comments are words like “beloved” and “greatest coach ever”. But how about things like um . . . “effective, dedicated and competent”? He is neither of those things currently.
What does he now?
He strikes me as being more into musicals than football.
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 18, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
This might have been posted in one form or another...
But as pissed off as they are making me, I’m trying to find some place in my heart where I can accept the fact that they are really, really old and have lost their minds. I want to believe that when he should have left 10 years ago, WHEN HE WAS 70, that he and she had already begun to lose their minds then, and that is why he’s spent the past 10 years making one progressively more horrible decision after another and being totally oblivious to those decisions, getting belligerent when questioned, resulting in running our Program into the ground. People lose their minds as they get older. Think of your own grandparents/parents that have gone through that. They really piss you off, and you start to feel differently about them, then catch yourself when you realize they just can’t help it. I just want to convince myself that is the case here because I am really close to hating the man (and his wife) I grew up idolizing.
for the most part, my grandparents openly admitted and accepted the limitations of their advanced age.
It takes a special concoction of misguided enablers and cartoonish egos to believe what the elder Bowdens truly believe right now.
by The K-Man on Nov 18, 2009 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you
When my dad’s 80 I don’t want him shoveling snow, much less running a football team.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Nov 18, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
WOW Being Negative and Hateful is COOL!
I joined TN because I think FSUncensored and his boys do a hell of a job. I knew I would have to comb thru the BB bashing but hey its cool. The 1 thing I don’t understand is why you guys can’t understand if a FSU supports BB and think its cool to destroy him. I love FSU football and I’m a guy born in.VA living in NC but have just been drawn to Florida St since I was a kid and BB was part of the reason why. MA and his stingy D’s were a reason. Tradition…..Tradition created by a man who is having a hard time saying goodbye to the great game of CFB! None of us will ever understand how he feels because none of us will give half as much of our life as he has his whole life. And yes I agree I think he should retire at the end of next year not because some people made jokes about diet coke and daggumit but so he can have time to sit back and watch a CFB empire he help build and watch his successor Jimbo run with it! He does want to go out a winner can u blame him? I would love nothing better than to see BB come back next year with a strong team and beat the gators in his final game at Doak win the ACC and go to the BCS. If you guys don’t think that would be a storybook ending to a great head coach then keep hating just for the hell of it. Keep it 3rd and Manageable and GO NOLES! P.S To everybody that were counting the games til the end of the season hoping we don’t go to a bowl game…We are 1 win away from keeping a streak alive that I want to see kept. Sorry…
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 18, 2009 11:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Negative and Hatefull?
I don’t think anyone on this site is negative and hateful, nor do they bash BB or his supporters because they think it’s cool. I’m an alum w/ 2 degrees from FSU, and was there from 1976 to 1981. I witnessed the beginning of the Bowden era and have followed the program religiously since then, even though I have been living out west. I also thought BB walked on water for years. That began to change when he hired his son as OC, when FSU was at the pinnical of college football and he could have hired the best of the best, and the program began it’s inexerable descent into mediocracy, especially on offense. The descent was accompanied by denial, refusal to address a problem that he wouldn’t even admit existed, and verbal attacks and vindictive retribution (PT Willis) against anyone who dared disagree with him (“Playstation All-Americans”). From then until now it has become more and more apparent that BB was and had been putting his and his families interest above the university. I love FSU, my alma mater, not just the football program. I have come to resent that BB and his family clearly feel he is bigger than the FSU the institution and their attitude that it should function as the family business. They are wrong. No single coach should ever be considered bigger or more important than the university that he works for. I stated on another post that I believe that FSU made BB the legend (not to mention a major contribution from Mickey Andrews), and not the other way around. I believe that FSU, like Miami through the 80’s and 90’s (multiple interchangeable coaches winning multiple championships), would have been a powerhouse program no matter who the coach would have been because of the increadible talent pool in Florida during those decades. I also resent his ill-concieved sense of entitlement. Coaching FSU through the 80’s and 90’s with all of the inherent demographic advantages in the state made him, an otherwise mediocre coach (consider his accomplishments before he arrived at FSU), rich and famous. He and his family have been living off of FSU for years, and FSU and it’s alums/fans owe him nothing. Perhaps if you had actually graduated from FSU rather than being just a FSU football fan you would have a different perspective regarding the institution, a problem shared by outside football fans and the national sports media. I wonder what their attitudes would be if this were happening at their alma maters. Please, don’t lecture us on “hate” and “bashing”. Bowdens lack of respect and hubris regarding my university is beyond the pale. He should show some class for a change and quietly ride off into the sunset and let the program move on and rebuild under the capable management of Jimbo Fisher, although he lost his chance for a real hero’s departure when he didn’t leave after the 2000 championship season. Sorry for the long-winded post, I guess I needed to vent and 3rd and Manageable set me off.
by kanole on Nov 19, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Perhaps if I would have graduated from FSU?
Oh leave after the 2000 championship season? Ok win it in 99’ get back to it in 2000. Only to have Mark Richt take the UGA job right before it and get shut out offensively by Oklahoma, and exit BB stage left with a national title loss and leaving your team of 25 years with no off cord. I don’t know anybody who wants to leave with that taste in their mouth. The Jeff Bowden hire was a mistake and Bobby knows it. I love how you guys say that BB is stealing and bleeding FSU’s money. They offered BB 2.5 mil what is he going to say NO! 2.5 mil a year is killing FSU c’mon. The man wants to win you can tell it. He wants to win. Listen kanole don’t talk down to me because I didn’t attend FSU. I care just as much about FSU Football as you do. BB and his family are living off of FSU? Of course they are I’m living off of my job. Most of the people on here are negative to. They could start a BB joke website for all the jokes made on TN about BB being old and everything else. If the man wants one more year with a good team give it to him and quit being selfish about yours and everybodys sick vision of wanting to see a 80yr old man and his family tarred and feathered and run out of town. Keep it 3rd and Manageable out on the Pacific Kanole!
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 19, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I don't agree that Bobby Bowden knows hiring his son was a mistake
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
He wanted over $3 million a year and was shot down. Someone finally had the balls to say no to him.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I think most of us care about FSU
more than you. You said it yourself, you care just as much about FSU FOOTBALL. I love that school, and every brick in it. The football team is part of the university, not the whole thing.
Also, you want us to “stop being selfish.” So its not fair for us that SUPPORT the program, KNOW THE NAMES OF THE PLAYERS in the program, SPEND MONEY to further support the program, WORK OUR SCHEDULES AROUND following the program, etc to be selfish, but the man who has made tens of millions to “coach” the program into the ground does have the right?
I used to love BB, really I did. And then I realized how one sided that affection was. I was forced to endure nepotism, I was called a playstation all american, and I was informed how lucky I was that he was willing to put up with me. Yeah, we are the selfish ones.
All these comments the Bowden family makes, really that doesnt scream selfish? God forbid we ask him to let someone else have a shot. God forbid he skips a nap to learn the roster. God forbid he puts the program ahead of himself. God forbid he puts the program ahead of his friends.
We may be the ones who are kicking him off the pedestal, but he is the one who put the noose on first.
Kanole
Giggidy. Nice work. How is this not green yet?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Nov 19, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
(EDIT) The 1 thing I dont understand is why you guys cant understand if a FSU FAN supports BB you have to destroy him
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 19, 2009 12:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It not trying to destroy him
Because most of the time they come on as you did in that post, condescending. Just like Bobby most of the pro Bowden posts are how could you want to get rid of him? or he deserves Blah, Blah. He has gotten more than enough time, and this is coming from a former Bobbyguard.
We don't destroy anybody
Unless they post like the majority of the Bowden fans out there saying that they’re better than us for blindly supporting the man. Two questions you have to ask yourself about whether he should return.
A) Is he currently benefitting the Florida State football program?
2) Do we owe him anything more than we’ve already given him?
hint: The answer to A is no.
-We don’t owe him more than the millions upon millions he’s been payed, being responsible for the hirings of nearly his entire family both here and elsewhere (including still paying one of his sons for being a horrible coach), and allowing him to stay beyond the point where he would have been fired by any other major school in the country for lack of performance over the last 8 years. We don’t owe it to Bobby to have him stick around and try to win in spite of him next year. The kids deserve better.
>>---l>
107K per till August 2012
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
We built a statue and named our field after him for his past accomplishments...
He’s still going to try to hold us up for $$$ to walk away peacefully. Too bad for him that Ann’s recent comments have pushed the wrong people over the edge, to the point where they just might tell BB “Here’s your one million, now go the $*&@ away”….
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Nice to see somebody other than me get the bashing
but until he gets his own drawing… well, I consider myself TN enemy #1. (well, behind the Bowden clan, the governor, etc…) I swear I don’t read the same posts as DKfromVA. He says the pro-Bowden people think they are “better than” the regulars here? huh? I was accused of that yesterday and I am still trying to find those writings of mine.
3rdandManageable wrote a scenario that I have written myself and have heard others state. Why is it so hard to let him be here 2010 and this be one of those “nice” endings that so rarely happen in sports or life in general. I also said that if he wanted to stay beyond 2010, well… that would be sad and a problem. But I do not think he was ever led to believe he was not welcome to coach through next year. Jim Smith is an ass. He is a political blowhard who has an agenda of his own, they all do. If he had of said what the Governor has, well… the jokes and snide remarks would be here concerning him. BTW… who was the mexican named fella I was hearing about yesterday? he said something or other… Hell, I thought you were talking about the new cook at the Mexican restaurant near Wal-Mart. SEE… we all can be sarcastic and rude… it’s in our blood!!!
What makes Jim Smith an ass?
Because he has the balls to speak the truth and let everyone know that mediocrity is unacceptable. His agenda is to get FSU back to glory, why should you have an issue with that?
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
To be honest...
A few years ago all of that happy ending stuff and riding off into the sunset would of been cool to me, but I don’t even want that anymore. If we win anything worth merit next year I want Jimbo to get the credit for doing all the work, not Bobby. If they should occur, it should be Jimbo’s ACC title, BCS bowl bid and victory. Maybe you’ll interpret that as hate towards Bobby, but that’s my respect for Jimbo for coming in and doing both of their jobs and for his work in cleaning up an absurd mess. But that’s my opinion.
3rd and Manageable
You kind of made my point with your comment that you care as much as me about FSU football. Perhaps, but I doubt if your emotional ties go beyond the gridiron. Do you give a crap about the institution as a whole? Do you care about what the uiversities image is beyond atheletics? Does it bother you that academic program budgets are being cut while we pay a tired old man $2.5 million to do nothing except impede the progression of the football program? I earned 2 degrees from the Geology department (the ugly old Carraway bldg. next to the cross-walk across from the student union). Now I hear that, due to budget cuts, there is a proposal to combine all of the “earth sciences”, i.e. geology + meteorology. My university pride goes beyond athIetics. I always set up and take notice with a sense of pride when I hear a reference to some key research being conducted at FSU, not just when FSU accomplishes something posative on the football field (obviously few and far between these days).
I truly understand your adoption of FSU football. We were a program that captured alot of football fans imagination; we won routinely, we played exciting wide open smash-mouth football, we have the coolest unis (including the helmets) in the country and, of course, we have the horse and the flaming spear. Whats not to love? I used to see FSU gear on kids all the time out here on the left coast, not so much anymore however. Anyway, my intent is not to denigrate you as an adopted FSU fan, I understand where you come from and would love to see thousands realize that we have the coolest program in the country as well. FSU fandom should be a brother- (and sister) hood. It’s just that all of this Bowden induced BS has a major deliterious effect on FSU’s image that goes beyond football and impacts it as an institute of higher learning as well, and that is something up with which I will not put!
by kanole on Nov 19, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd X 100
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
So I need to enroll at FSU to voice a real opinion?
My inital arguement was of BB bashing which you clearly are blind to Kanole. Have you checked out the fanpost lately? Then you my friend translated that into I don’t respect the university and am part of the problem why some old ugly study hall is still an old ugly study hall because i support BB? Wow that is a strecth my friend. Now I know you will have some other post where you say I’m not listening to what you are saying or I’m making your point for you, but FSU’s image has been hit alot harder by stuff then BB. Did BB cause all those arrest? Did BB tell the students to cheat? I think an academic cheating scandal hurts the academic dept more than the an 80 yr old coach. Keep it 3rd and Manageable. Oh yeah 1 more game to go til bowl eligiblity………1 more game….1 more game.
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 19, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions
Just so you know
I think the majority here want to keep the bowl streak, so calm yourself. Also, what do you do for a living? I seriously doubt you are that unable to see what happens to a company when you have incompetence at the top. The leaders make an organization what it is. It is true in business, it is true in football. FSU got lazy (just as BB did) in its recruiting, took all the high risk talented kids that others shied from. Now as FSUn has mentioned, you need some of those kids, and yoju have to hit more than you miss, but the fact is you also need glue kids, and 5* that are good kids. Jeff and the rest didnt do their due diligence. There are so many problems with this team, and I would think at least 95% lead back to Bobby. You and wolfbird want a storybook ending, thats sweet. You know what I want? A functional organization.
Don't forget to send mikeflynn an invitation too
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
3rd and Manageable
None of what you what you say above is even remotely close to the points I was attempting to make. You have a major reading/comprehension problem and I have better things to do than to spoon feed my opinions to you. Glen Beck has a book out called “Arguing with Idiots”…seems appropriate here. Get a clue before you put words in my (or anyone elses) mouth. I’m done trying to communicate with you.
Seminole Nation
Arguing with Idiots? That seems like a book me and you should share a 50pc buffalo wing over. Look in the end we both want the same thing I believe that is to win football games. That’s why i joined this site to talk about the football program. No i didn’t get a chance to go to FSU. It would be nice to have a diploma from FSU hanging on the wall. Hopefully I can provide for my children to go. So I know we have got off on the wrong foot with each other, but I honestly don’t want to have an ongoing rivalry with you. We both are Seminole fans. So I apologize to you if offended you in any way. I was venting. I’m a venter. I will and always will be a fan of BB, but i hope to be a fellow nolefan with you. Keep it 3rd and Manageable
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 19, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
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