Florida State Cruises to 80 - 38 Victory Over Stetson
by TrueCubbie on Nov 18, 2009 10:33 PM EST
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PrintLast year, the Seminoles beat the Hatters by two points on a game that ended by Ryan Reid taking a charge as time expired. Tonight, the Seminoles put on an impressive showing, holding the Hatters to only 10 points in the first half. The score differential could have been larger if the Seminoles didn't have some lapses in concentration and try some unnecessary highlight tape plays late in the game.
The Hatters struggled, shooting only 27.5% for the game. In the first half they shot less than 20%. The Hatters put 28 points on the board in the second half as they started to hit 3-pointers. The Seminoles played outstanding defense during this game. The recorded 10 blocks and caused havoc on the Hatters shooters as they entered the paint. The Seminoles created 11 recorded steals. Despite the effort on the defensive end, the Hatters only went to the free throw line nine times. The Seminoles also recorded 48 rebounds, 18 offensive rebounds. With an Oreb% of a 58%.
One of the many worries heading into this season was the Seminoles' ability to make up for the departure of Toney Douglas' scoring. Tonight, the Seminoles had four players in double digits: Singleton, Dulkys, Gibson and Reid. The Seminole's offensive efficiency for this game was an impressive 123 on 64 possessions. These numbers may vary slightly by the ones produced by Ken Pomeroy, but that is due to the way we each do our calculations. The Seminoles went over an offensive efficiency of 120 only once last year.
There were two major improvements tonight: free throws and turnovers. The Seminoles shot 12-14 from the line. Chris Singleton made all three of his shots from the charity stripe. The TO% was 17%, much improved from 26% against Jacksonville.
Xavier Gibson had an excellent game on the low post. Chris Singleton's defense was outstanding. Michael Snaer continued to demonstrate his commitment to defense. Ryan Reid was active around the basket.
A win was expected in this game. But compare this year to last year. The Seminoles need to close out teams they should beat. Last year, they allowed teams to get back in the game. This team needs confidence and to understand that it can put teams away. There is still a lot of work to be done but this is an encouraging start. The Seminoles take on Mercer on Saturday.
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my first FSU basketball game
was a TON of fun. I got a free shirt.
If you haven’t been to a game, GET OUT THERE. they dont scan IDs so alumni like myself can still get in free and support.
everyone went nuts with every blocked shot, and it was awesome to see the backup center make such a strong impact. Tons of energy. Dulkys was great too.
Love Reid and Alabi
We really need Terrance Shannon to get back to full strength because we really need two bigs on the floor at the same time. I just don’t like a lineup of a 1, 2,3,3,5. I just don’t like Chris and Demercy at the same time I don’t like two small forwards and two guards. With the size we have on this lineup we shouldn’t be going small against any of these early teams. I am hoping this is just something that is due to the lack of depth at the moment and large number of games in a short time span.
"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"
I can't wait for the UF game
Hopefully we see a repeat of the last time we went down to hogtown for the bball game
Seriously
Who would’ve thought after UF won their second straight title that in just 3 years Billy D may be on the hot seat and FSU has the best team in the state?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 19, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Not as good as us...
FSU is the best team in the State, and is set up to be the best in FL for at least the next few years, hopefully longer.
Only best in state? ...or perhaps broader horizons?
I think I’m serious. This squad has a handful of lottery picks… with at least two future NBA starters coming off the bench.
Let's not get a head of ourselves, still it would be nice if we ran the table and won the ACC tournament
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 19, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Hard not to be optimistic with potential like this.
- Alabi: Lock for NBA lottery, barring injury.
- Singleton: Likely lottery pick if stays through 2010-11 season and continues to develop, based on potential/athleticism alone. Superior version of Corey Brewer.
- Gibson: 6’11 with rare range + athleticism, not to mention new-found defensive prowess (6 blocks and stealing from guards?). Again, lottery written all over him.
- Snaer: Very early in career, but seemingly has more than enough tools + attitude to warrant lottery pick. Might have been a high school first rounder without rule changes.
+++++++++++++++ - Kitchen: Not at the point where I would say he is anything close to a “lock” for an NBA career, but has exceptional speed and height for his position. Wait and see, but I would say odds favor at least a couple year stint in the NBA.
- Dulkys: As above, certainly not a lock, but if shooting continues to develop as we expect it to, he has potential for at least an NBA journeyman type of career, as 6th/7th-man sharpshooter, who possesses rare athleticism and defensive prowess for that breed.
++++++++ - Others? From all reports, Shannon is a diamond in the rough that could easily blossom into NBA caliber. Loucks lacks the speed + athleticism for NBA, but certainly has the tools for a long European career. Demercy falls into this category as well, not for lack of athleticism, but shooting and ball handling do not seem to be developing at a rate to get him to that elite level.
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Still, that’s 4 players who I think have a very good shot at being lottery picks, and a couple more that could very well enjoy an NBA career. You’ll be hard-pressed to find more than a handful of teams out there with that type of talent. While I know my prognostications can’t be substantiated any time soon, show me a team with 4 lottery picks and a couple other NBA’ers in the lineup and I’ll quickly direct you to a Final 4 banner hanging up in their rafters. Call it a hunch.
by arrdub on Nov 19, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice post.
Rec’d.
Though I am not sure if Gibson can be lottery.
Love that you discussed Snaer’s attitude.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 19, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I think Gibson has the most potential of the bunch.
Maybe a case of higher ceiling, lower floor… but falls outside of the 95% confidence interval ;)
I tend to disagree with this assessment ..mainly because Alabi has the potential to be compared to Olajuwon. Gibson is a Soudamire clone…but if he gets aggressive he too could be as you say a lottery pick.
Shannon seen him play once. But wow!! He is a rebound magnet.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
I like both comparisons -- esp. Gibson-Stoudamire.
Certainly has a ways to go but that seems like a similar skill set. The only reason I think Gibson’s potential could outreach Alabi’s (no pun intended) is the prospect that he might indeed be able to stretch his offensive game further outside than Alabi — I don’t see Solomon driving in from the arc — while still being a force inside (on offense and defense). We’ll have to see more of Gibson’s defensive prowess as he matures physically to know whether he can be the intimidator that Alabi is… but 6 blocks is certainly a good start.
It doesn’t appear he has quite the wingspan that Solomon does, but if he’s able to progress such that he can play the 3 in the NBA, he would actually have more of a length advantage on his opponent than Solomon will.
settle down
Potential is high, but the Hatters are really, really bad.
Thanksgiving week will tell a lot.
I'd rather saddle up than settle down.
Potential is sky high. A lot of teams, including us, have played a lot of really bad teams in recent history, and not performed anything close to how we have so far this season.
Maybe TC (or others?) can take a look at some historical data for FSU as well as other programs to see how just how rare efficiency outputs like we’ve seen the last two games occur. I’d content that a long-awaited, very tangible shift has occurred in the output of this program. Thanksgiving week may tell us a lot, but the condensed schedule over that period may also skew the results negatively. I’ll take what these early indications are telling us — we have the talent and execution to demolish any under-manned team, a luxury we haven’t enjoyed since 1993.
If you’re going to be a fan, why not be fanatic! It’s a welcome change from the sobriety we’ve had to stomach from our gridiron experiences. Let’s ride this pony into the ground.
Yeah to about everything….was I coach I measure what a jump and a stride are for Alabi mark it on the court and tell him to practice one handed dunks from there. Besides the film sessions so he could study Olajuwon.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
wow, your enthusiasm is commendable
but I don’t see 4 lotteries:
Alabi is a lottery pick this year
singleton isn’t a lottery. I think you’ve got it reversed. singleton is a poor man’s Brewer. for example, brewer had a triple double w/ 13 assists his soph yr. I’m not sure singleton has had a double double yet and am not really expecting one from him b/c he has no offensive identity, isn’t a good shooter at this point, and disappears from long stretches of every game. Brewer drew 6 charges in a game as a soph and is a lock down defender in the NBA. He guards Kobe and Labron. Singleton is a nice college player. Not hating on him. I think he can be an NBA role player in the right situation. He’s just not a dominant player.
Same w/ Gibson. He has a nice little baseline fade away. that’s it. Compare that to alabi: who has 18 ft range w/ a pretty jumper, makes his free throws, good baby hook, can get his turnaround against anybody w/o fading away (increases percentage), and has added an effective drop step this yr. Alabi plays D. Gibson doesn’t. He poached the 6 blocks against a short, inferior team. ACC teams are dunking behind him when he tries that.
I can’t even evaluate Snaer other than is an athletic 6’ 4". No shortage of those in the NBA. Hit his shot against JU, played poorly against Stetson. No surprise there. he’s a frosh. Certainly could make the NBA, but I don’t see lottery there.
Again, not hating on these guys. I love this team. just think it’s way early to make them into the Lakers.
Obviously, I'm projecting a bit on Singleton, Gibson, Snaer.
But all of them are real possibilities down the road. Singleton just about put up your triple-dub today with 9+14+7. Last year, I believe, he was top 10 in ACC in rebounding, steals, and blocks as a frosh… and that ain’t the SEC. His offense is a work in progress, but his upside there is limitless.
Gibson and Snaer have a ways to go. Gibson has rare athleticism for a 6’11 guy and might even have softer touch than Alabi. The more I see him, the more I expect. He simply puts the ball in the basket without effort. I genuinely believe the only thing between him and the NBA lottery is a commitment in the weight room. In 2 years with 20-30 additional pounds of muscle on him? He could be insane.
Like I said, Snaer might have been the caliber of recruit that he could have jumped straight to the league from high school a couple year back. We’ll see where he ends up… but being an “athletic 6’4”…. that just so happens to love defense and by all reports lives in the gym… separates him from a lot of the others with similar measurables. Work is what put Al Thornton into the lottery. Work is what put Toney Douglas into the first round. We’ll see how far it can take Mr. Snaer, but I’m optimistic!
Not meaning to get too argumentative with any of this, as I realize these are outlandish predictions. I am just amazed at the transformation of this unit over the last 10 or so years. Even if it’s not 4 lottery picks, we do have a solid handful of players that will play in the NBA… I’d go so far as to say there’s enough potential, at this stage in their respective careers, to rival any squad in the history of our program.
yeah, chris almost made me put it back in my pants
am pretty certain he read my criticism, leading to stellar effort. Seriously, I still (for now) stand by my evaluation. No O identity and heavy shot keeps him from lottery. Did not know he could pass like that so NBA future probability does increase for me. Hopefully, Enfield improves shooting over next few yrs. Don’t see him come out this yr. want to clarify that I wasn’t criticizing his play at this level or NBA chances….just the lottery possibility. I love this team and all of the players on it for their various contributions. and by NBA role player I wasn’t demeaning his possible NBA contribution. didn’t mean bench sitter. I can see Singleton starting on a championship team…just not one of the superstars. Kind of a Robert Horry type. and you’re right….this ain’t the SEC. Well, actually, these first 4 games are like the SEC….but then we start playing tough teams.
I think Gibson has the potential to be the next lottery pick (after alabi) in this group for the reasons you expressed. He will have to work and don’t know if he’s a worker. I think alabi has a much better touch. Is really evident on FTs. having said that, gibson does get the ball to go in more than I would expect from his form and touch. somes guys are just shooters that way and maybe he is one. He is much better going to the O boards (against 6’6" white guys) and running the floor this year, but doesn’t board as well as he should on d end (related to my point from last post).
I stand by my point w/ snaer. has now played 2 bad games and 1 good game….which is fine for a frosh, but not a lottery. watched the Wall kid from UK this weekend and he is a lottery this yr. he’s incredibly selfish but takes over games. I take your point about AT & TD and snaer can get there if he wants. But I think your chances of being lottery are proportional to your height…which is one reason AT goes lottery and TD goes end of first. snaer is exactly in middle of that. So if he got to the point where he can dominate like Td in a few yrs he might could get there….is a big if.
I agree about where the program has gotten and your suggestion that it rivals any squad in history. we go 10 deep w/ guys that can contribute in different ways and even Jordan, I think, is a serviceable ACC backup PG in a few yrs. and we ain’t playin in the Metro Conf anymore, so you have to bring every night. In short, I like this team better than any individual part.
This team looks amazing so far.
Not just beating teams they’re supposed to beat, but blowing them out – and looking good while doing out. I watched the JU game and there were a number of highlight-reel type plays.
Snaer looks to be the real deal. The kid can shoot and play some serious defense.
I'm soooooo glad we're good at Bball I don't think I could take it if all we had was Women's Soccer
Although I do love Women’s soccer, seriously!
Does anybody know if we have any Nationally televised games?
I like Justin.tv and all but a game on my regular Tv would be cool.
Several
@ Ohio State 12/2 on ESPN2
@ Duke 1/27 on ESPN
@ Clemson 2/10 on ESPN2
@ UNC 2/24 on ESPN
vs Wake 3/3 on ESPN2
@ Miami 3/6 on ESPN2
by fearthespear13 on Nov 19, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also the games at the
Old Spice Classic in Orlando, will be nationally televised (and probably HD) Turkeyday 9pm ESPNU, then that Friday and Sunday (Nov. 27th + 29th) games will either be on ESPN, 2, or U.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Nov 19, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
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