What They're Saying... after Florida State's Homecoming Win
by Bud Elliott on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 AM EST
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Let's start with one of the best FSU articles I have ever read. Take your time to read that. It really shows how Bowden tried to destroy the program about which he supposedly cares, just how Mickey Andrews saved it, and just how Fisher has the stuff to take it to the next level.
More inside.
Bowden Truism Alert: "our defense did good enough for us to win." Yet when they lose, it's a team loss, right coach? Seems silly to refuse to apportion fault yet falsely give praise.
Ponder Quotes:
"Week to week it comes down to that fourth quarter. I’m proud of this team. We kept fighting and I have the best teammates in the world. They really carried me this game, I was struggling, hurting a little bit and they did a good job of pulling us out."
"I’m real confident. This has happened several times. I know with our offense we have the ability to score every time and we should. I knew we were gonna punch that in, and everybody knew that. We had the confidence to do it." On the running game: "It was good. That really carried us. Jermaine (Thomas) ran the ball really well and the offensive line opened up these holes. We were able to do a lot of things on the ground."
Ryan McMahon on how the line practices: "The way we practice, we practice so intense and so hard that the game is easier than the practice. We don't get tired in the second half."
Mister Alexander on NC State's ottensive tackle being a fatty who couldn't move well: "You can’t just go out there on the tackle and just make sacks, you have to learn his tendencies first. He (Jeraill McCuller) couldn’t really get down, like he couldn’t bend his knees that much so I just put an inside move and dipped down low on him so he couldn’t touch me."
FSU's Fortson comes up big vs. Wolfpack Tallahassee Democrat
"My first thought was just, 'get the ball back,'" Fortson said. "(Mageo) didn't know what he was doing with the ball, so I just tried to get my hand in there and rip it out." "I had my hand in there for about five or 10 seconds," Fortson said with a smile. "And fortunately it came out when he was falling." "With plays like that I just want to show the coaches and the team that I'm here to play and I really want to win," Fortson said. "It shows you what the guy is capable of," offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher said. "I mean that was a huge play — to battle back and get that thing. That's why I think I get so upset with him at times, because I know what he's capable of." "I've got to get it out of him," Fisher said. "It's in there. And you see it. That's my job. My job isn't for him to fall in love with me. My job is to coach him and make him have a future." "It shows you where his heart is," Fisher said. "If a guy does that, you know where his heart is."
Ponder's Injury
I think Ponder will play against Clemson, because he is a warrior and his ribs aren't cracked or broken. I'm not sure if he has a cartilage tear, but I expect him to play. They are definitely badly bruised. I also expect FSU Sports Information to produce suspicious practice reports, as they've done in the past.
There were a number of guys who said they were inspired by Ponder's injury. Mickey Andrews was very impressed with Ponder staying in the game.
Night Game In Death Valley
The game against Clemson is set for 7:45, on ESPN. FSU hasn't won in Clemson since 2001, and Clemson should win this game. They are currently favored by 8 points. Clemson is arguably the loudest stadium in the country. It is louder than the Swamp or LSU or Oregon, in my opinion. It is definitely louder than Alabama or FSU (2 schools I have attended).
We'll talk a lot of Clemson this week, but just know that they have an erratic, middle of the road offense with two electric play makers including the best running back in the country. C.J. Spiller, and one of the country's elite defenses . But they are missing DaQuan Bowers, one of the country's best defensive ends. That's bad for Clemson, but unfortunately, their 2nd stringers would start for FSU, and they are incredibly deep at end, so they won't miss him that much.
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Wow!
There really is no other word I can think of to describe Corey Clark’s article. Really puts a lot into perspective for those who take every opportunity to sh1t on Mickey Andrews.
No question, it is time for Mickey to retire. I believe it, and I truly think that he does too. He has more important things now that demand his time effort. However, I find it unfortunate that in the midst of one horrific defensive season, so many people can quickly forget how, for 5-6 years, this man kept the FSU program from going straight to hell.
He has already decided to retire after this season. Continuing to bash the man will not make it happen any faster. If he had it his way, he would have moved on a couple of years ago.
by NIU on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I feel a certain sadness for mickey that I do not have for Bowden. Perhaps it is the death of his son or the fact that he never got to be head coach because Bowden never stepped down. I see him on the sidelines and at the end of games and you can see the pain on his face from having to see that awful defensive performance. I hope one day FSU honors him with a statue of his own. At the Maryland game I will be chanting Mickey Andrews.
Great article by Corey Clark
That article confirms with stats and facts what the “eye test” confirmed for me after just a few games under Fisher. We didn’t even look like a football team under Jeff Bowden.
I tend to think that even if we’d been able to keep Richt around, or hired someone competent, or somehow picked Fisher out of obscurity in 2001, something would still have happened to derail our dynasty. Something always happens. But still, we would probably not have had to endure the depths of 2006-present.
Also, how ridiculous does that Andrew Carter comparison of JB and Jimbo look now? LMFAO
According to a graphic they ran during Prime Time Noles Sunday night, our current offense is on pace to outgain the 1998 and 1999 teams. Clearly Jimbo and Ponder are much more comparable to Richt and Weinke than they are JB and Weatherford.
by 38Noles on Nov 2, 2009 6:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1998 and 1999
And to think, this years schedule is a lot tougher than what our teams played in the late 90’s. If I’m wrong, feel free to let me know. That says a lot about Jimbo/Ponders squad.
by CSI Nole on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Add to the mix that our defense never produces turnovers nor stops
Imagine if our offense had a few short fields a game from turnovers, or got to use their potent punt returners to return a few punts after the defense forces a 3 and out. Imagine what we could do with the extra time in each game from that. The offense is forced to work with what the defense gives them left in each game. I would venture to say that if any of the above would happen, this offense would probably average another 100 yards of offense a game and about 10-14 points more on average. That is how it is this year, we could be looking at one of the best offenses ever here, but that gets masked by the defenses’s failure every week.
I don’t know about your but I honestly rooted for NCST to score at times quickly just so we could get the ball back. I knew our defense could not stop them so why delay the inevitable. However, Jimbo knows how to burn up and clock and score…..which is the only way we will win games this year.
If Bowden had hired a decent Offensive staff after Richt left, he'd comfortably be ahead of JoePa...
I truly think we’d have picked up an additional 2 wins per season minimum along the way in those crap years of the JB era with a decent staff, Bowden would be up on JoePa by a comfortable margin right now IMO, though I still think JoePa coaches enough years to have surpassed Bowden eventually but at least Bowden would’ve reach the coveted 400 win mark he wants.
Karma is a bitch, Bowden has only himself to blame for this position he’s put himself in at the end of his career.
I will truely miss Mickey Andrew's.
Nobody has pissed off offensive coordinators like MA has by fielding many a defense that was excellent. Hes sent many a kid off to the NFL (a lot are still playing today). Plus, he can be harsh, for good reasons, but he is a man with class. Corey Clark’s article was spot on. Though I havent really looked at it in that perspective, it is so true. MA is the reason the listing ship hasnt completely sank already. Now I can only want a legend like Mickey, a long and happy life after FSU. He deserves it. Hes earned it. I only wish he could have retired on a higher note, but alas, it wasnt ment to be. However he should take pride knowing what he has accomplished on and off the grid iron and the influence hes had on young kids playing under him.
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