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The Preview: Florida State Seminoles at Florida Gators

Ignore all the talk.  Don't get caught up in all the ideas of motivation or focus.  When predicting a game, the elements to focus on are coaching and talent.  How much talent does each team have?  What has each school done to develop that talent?  How does each team use their talent.  And will that talent be on the field (injuries).  Then and only then should you start to think about strategy, weather conditions, and reasons why one team might be more motivated than the other. 

TV: 3:30, CBS
Line: UF -24.5 (95% chance of winning)
Weather:  Perfect 

I wasn't sure how to write this preview.  Because I do not think Florida State has a realistic chance to win.  Of the 50 BCS conference teams playing this weekend, Florida State is the largest underdog.  Florida is expected to beat FSU by more than double what Alabama is projected to eclipse Auburn by.  But the 'Noles do have a chance to win-- about 5%.  Let's get into why their chance is so low.

Start with talent.  Florida's coaches have done a great job recruiting.  Their head coach would never blow off an in-home visit in favor of a paid speaking engagement.  Florida has outrecruited FSU over the last four years, particularly in the disastrous FSU recruiting classes of 2006 and 2007.  The talent gap between UF and FSU is larger than the talent gap between FSU and UCF.  Ouch.  That gap will close once Florida State has 11 of 11 coaches recruiting, instead of the 5 that currently pound the pavement in pursuit of the state's top talent.  

Florida also has a lot better coaching.  Florida has a head coach who is involved with their players.  Florida State's head coach appears to have dementia.  Florida State has at least 4 lame duck coaches, and maybe as many as 6.  Florida's coaches are leaving to take promotions at other big time programs.  Almost half of the 'Nole's staff will be let go for ineffectiveness.  None have been rumored to be in contention for jobs at a similar quality program. 

So UF has a big advantage in coaching and talent.  Keep that in mind as we talk specifics. 

Florida State's Defense v. UF's Offense

This is a huge advantage to UF.  While the media seems to be focusing on the fact that UF's offense is down from a year, ago, they are failing to recognize that it is still one of the best 20 offensive attacks in the country.  Florida's offense rates 18th.  They are the 2nd best rushing offense in the country,  behind only Georgia Tech.  People often talk about how UF's offense is high-flying.  It's really not.  UF is an option team that operates from the shotgun.  They are 90's Nebraska, aligned a few yards deeper in the backfield.  And their offense is better than any offense Florida State has had this decade- except for FSU's attack this year.  Florida is not a passing team.  It's rare for Florida to throw more than 20 passes in a game. 

But FSU's defense has faced some other offenses in the top 20.  Georgia Tech, Miami, BYU, and NC State are all as good as Florida's offense.   And they posted insane performance against Florida State's beleaguered defense.  Miami gained 7.4 yards per play, BYU 8.9, Georgia Tech 8.5, and NC State 7.8  In a standard game of 70 plays, those per-snap figures come out to 518 yards (Miami), 623 yards (BYU), 595 yards (GTech) and 546 yards (NC State).  Florid State has avoided disaster twice this season, but both of those performances came against inept offenses and considering the quality of Florida's offense, to expect UF to gain anything less than 7.5 yards per play is foolish.  That's a projection of 525 yards allowed.  

Making matters worse, Florida's offense was designed to combat the aggressive 8-man defenses run by legendary Florida State defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews and others.  Andrews has absolutely no clue how to stop this attack, and even if he did, his defensive staff is not good enough to teach the defensive players how to stop UF's attack.  Florida's base plays should be extremely effective against Florida State. This is particularly true because UF's tackles have not been great this year.  Some teams have exploited that weakness, but Florida State cannot as their edge players have the worst defensive ends coach in the country.  When an opponent's relative weakness turns into a strength because your own opposing weakness is far greater, you have a problem.  You have to effectively mix zone and man against Florida.  Florida State cannot do that.

Florida has cracked 7 yards per play 3 times this year against D1 opponents.  They did it against 3 of the worst 4 defenses the played:  Kentucky, Troy, and Florida International.  Florida State's defense is certainly, worse than Kentucky, but it is a bit better than Troy or Florida International.  As a 'Nole fan, it pains me to type that.  Oh, and FSU's defense starts 6 senior and is tremendously healthy.  There is no youth or health experience for this group.

Here's where the mental factors come into play.  Florida basically had a bye week last weekend, playing Florida International.  They will be fresh, but they could be distracted because it is senior day or because they play Alabama next week.  Also, will UF pull their starters?  If so, how soon?  Florida should get 7.5 yards per play.  How many points they score depends on their offense, defense, special teams, and how many plays they get.  If one or both teams elect to hold the ball and milk clock, the number of snaps will be reduced.  If UF gets 60 plays, that's 450 yards.  If they get 70 plays, that's 525 yards.  If they somehow got 80 snaps, we're looking at 600 yards of offense.  I also expect UF to block a punt or score on a punt return, because Florida State has been sloppy in that area as of late. 

Florida State's Offense v. Florida's Defense

Florida has the nation's best defense last year.  This year, it is about as good.  I don't think there has been a drop off, but rather that other defenses across the nation have improved.  Perhaps if they played better offenses, they would get a bigger opponent adjustment and be rated higher. Florida has played the #11 offense (Arkansas), along with #24 (UGA), and #33 (Tennessee).  Through 11 games, the Florida State offense has been the 6th best attack in the country.  That is tremendous.  But it's not necessarily indicative of the offense Florida State will put on the field tomorrow afternoon. 

Florida State has now lost arguably the best quarterback in the country, Christian Ponder.  They are without All-American Guard Rodney Hudson.  Senior Tight End Caz Piurowski, considered a likely all-conference selection is gone for the year.  Leading receiver Richard Goodman (at the time he was injured) is also out.  That's 4 upperclassmen starters out for Florida State's offense.  In their place are a Freshman, Junior, Sophomore, Sophomore.  Florida State's offense will have just a single Senior on the field Saturday.  This offense is now a shell of its former self. Is it better than Arkansas at #11?  Tennessee at #33?  Possibly.

As for the Gator defense, it is tremendous.  UF's defense is right there with BC, Clemson, and North Carolina.  And to my knowledge, it is not missing any key players due to injury.  I mention that because when FSU played Clemson, the tigers were missing their best defensive player and then lost their two starting corners during the game.  Carolina lost a linebacker and a starting corner. No team has gained 400 yards on the Gators.  Only one team has cracked 350 yards, and that was Arkansas, who just barely bested the mark with 357 yards.

Florida State has two options.  They can try to run, run, run, and hold the ball.  Each run play can bleed 40 seconds off the game clock, and that is 1/90th of the game.  But I hope they do not do that.  It's not the offense's responsibility to hide the defense.  The offense should try to score, not just shorten the game (though that is probably the more prudent strategy).  Florida plays a ton of loose man coverage.  FSU can exploit that with screens, which favors the 'Noles because FSU is a great screen team.  I do not think UF will allow this, however, and then things should get interesting. 

Why does a team allow the short stuff?  Because they fear the deep game.  If a team doesn't fear the deep game, there is no disincentive to take away the short game.  That is what I expect UF to do.  Expect the run game without Caz and Hudson to sputter and for freshman quarterback E.J. Manuel to turn the ball over and show some very erratic play typical of a freshman making only his 3rd start. In all, I expect FSU to gain 290 yards on about 65 plays.  That's about 4.5 yards per play.    I will concede that this number could be higher if UF pulls their starters early enough for Florida State to rack up some yards in garbage time (when the outcome of the game is already decided and the victor is not using all their resources to stop the loser). 

Can FSU win this game?  Yes, they can.  To do so, I think the 'Noles would need:

  • a major injury to Tebow or one of the UF offensive tackles,
  • a special teams play for a score or that gives FSU the ball inside the UF 25 yard line,
  • two scores of 40+ yards (hard to drive on UF), and
  • 4 more UF turnovers than the 'Noles give up themselves. 

Final Score Prediction:  FSU 13, UF 49  Chance of winning:  3%

I would still pick UF to beat FSU by more than 10 points even if UF had their 2nd team offense.   Please spare me the histrionics.  If Florida crushes the 'Noles, you shouldn't be shocked.  There is absolutely no reason to have a meltdown.  You don't freak out when the sun rises because you expect it.  You should also expect this.  A huge loss here won't diminish all that the offense accomplished this year and won't dampen hopes for the future once FSU has a real head coach and competent defensive staff.  The freak outs should have occurred when Florida State put a defense on the field that would be middle of the pack in the Sun Belt conference.  I will be at the game to see this in person, but please make sure to join us here with all your 'Nole friends for our always fun live game-threads!

Inside, I have the weekly picks...

Star-divide

I didn't add anything from Sunday night, so the picks are the same as when I posted them Sunday night:

Current Record:  +30.10

WMU -9.5
Bowling Green -7
Troy -9.5
Ark State -6.5
MTSU -3
UF -21
Stanford -6.5
USC -11
Navy -6.5
UNLV -3
LSU -3
Arizona -2.5
Washington -22.5
Houston -27
BYU -7
GT -7
TTech -22.5
UCF -2.5
TCU -41.5
Ole Miss -6.5
Tennessee -3
Missouri -3
UNC -5
UConn -11.5
Nevada +10.5
Temple -2.5
EMU +17

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I remember my

first Nole game at Benny Hill (not called that back then) in 1973. I think the final was 49-0. Not fun. Tomorrow may be ugly also.

by POCONOLE on Nov 27, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

The reality of this makes me weep

Something is considerably wrong when we walk into a game with our chief rival and expect a drubbing. I’m with you on this preview, I just think it speaks to the miserable state of the program.

Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow

by Buc Wild on Nov 27, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO at the pictures

I will be up there for the game surrounded by all my Gator friends. Unfortunately we have not done anything on the field all year to give me much hope, but to see Teblow loose his last home game in the swamp ever would be the greatest thing I could imagine. GO NOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BS37FSU on Nov 27, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Well losing this game badly

just might be enough to get BB outta there. Plus, I want to see Bama knock the Florida Tebows off of their high horse next week.

It would be awesme if FSU and Bama could beat these turds. I would be LMAO for a while at the UF Tebow fans.

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 27, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think it'll be quite this bad.

I think our offense can put over 20 on the board, even against the Gators. 49 for UF feels about right, but I’d put the ’Noles at more like 24-30 points. Might beat the spread, might not.

by Drew J Jones on Nov 27, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

With Ponder maybe

With EJ against UF’s defense? Not so much

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think your call is right on

Just for giggles, I wish we would go for it on virtually every fourth down and try multiple onside kicks. What do we have to lose?

by Fsued on Nov 27, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with this, I was even calling for it against Georgia Tech.

by 38Noles on Nov 27, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't be upset when UF gives it to us.

It will dig at me, but it might be another nail in the coffin for Bowden.

Go Noles

by FSUSOM on Nov 27, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

I'll be upset when we lose.

If my dog had a terminal disease and I knew he was going to die before it happened, I’d still cry then it did. Luckily, I have alcohol for this Sat…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Oh boy!

I’m so excited. Somebody please pass the Crown Royal it’s gonna be a long afternoon.

by willdabeast on Nov 27, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Oh Florida how I hate thee

Nice preview FSUncensored and in case anyone cares all I want for XMas this year is a chance to ruin the Gators title run.

by 1newplayer on Nov 27, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Have fun at the game

FSUncensored. And yeah going to a game in Gainesville is entirely different then showing up to a game at LSU in rival fan gear.

by 1newplayer on Nov 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

B/C they're really scared

of FSU fans and what might happen to them if they started something!! LOL

It’s the tomahawks. Always has been!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The alumni not so bad, a lot of the male students=f*cking scumbags.

I was leading my then wife through the crowd to go buy some snacks and a couple of @ssholes looked at her FSU shirt and 2 of them said “F*ck the Semenholes” and spit on her shirt. I was leading the way through the crowd and since she was behind me, I did not find out what happened until she told me later. She said she didn’t tell me because she did want me to get into a fight. She knew I would have gone after those MF’s in an instant. This was planned because they both said it and spit in unison, so I am sure she was not the only one they did this to. I was so pissed and just looking for a fight for the rest of the game, but fortunately in hindsight, nothing happened because I would have been outnumbered. I still get pissed off about this every year about this time.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Nov 27, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds typical ...

I only know a couple of people that are Florida fans and AREN’T complete arrogant jackasses. What speaks volumes about their fans to me is the annual tradition where the bands perform the national anthem simultaneously during pregame. Part of this tradition is that the visiting band director conducts both bands. When UF visits Doak and their director leads both bands, the fans cheer. When FSU visits The Dump and our director conducts both bands in our NATION’S anthem, the Florida fans boo. ’Nuff said.

by phinole on Nov 27, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it wrong to bet against us?

The spread really isn’t that bad at -24.5. They’re giving us more credit than we’re probably due. After Colt McCoy put up his huge numbers last night against rival A&M, I have a feeling Tebow wants to make his own Heisman case against us. Is it wrong, as a Seminole through and through, to bet against in favor of the Gators? Am I delusional here and is it the depression talking?

by basaltrock on Nov 27, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Just realistic

We’re going to get annihilated

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I went max bet on -21

And don’t feel bad about it at all.

Most BETS are on FSU, but the MONEY is decidedly on UF. That spells trouble.

Unless your betting would somehow impair your ability to root for us or somehow help uf/ hurt FSU on the field, then no, nothing wrong with it.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Where would you recommmend?

Where do you bet at? This would sadly be my first time betting on sports.

by basaltrock on Nov 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Think of it as a consolation prize

Losing the game is pretty much a foregone so you might as well put a nice chunk of change in your pocket while watching the dismantling.

We could call it a “Bobby Bowden Bet”-making money on the demise of your program.

by diablonole on Nov 27, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Wer gunna die

Seriously, I’m not going to be able to watch this game sober

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 27, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 28, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

At least you guys have alcohol

We don’t have that luxury in Iraq….

and that sux b/c I’m gonna need it tomorrow!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

Thats ok

I’ll be home in 3 weeks and will drink these sorrows away!!

AND GET L-A-I-D!!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 27, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

with our defense

I don’t think pick-6’s and return game touchdowns are as crucial as they should be. Think about:
It’s basically a quick offensive score where no time is taken off the clock and UF gets the ball back. In theory, we’re better off with a turnover deep in our territory and let our backup QB try to orchestrate a long drive against the nation’s best defense.
Is that crazy? Of course. But I expect UF to score on 4 of 5 drives. Anytime we kick them the ball, they could bludgeon us for 6 minutes and 80 yards every time.
Onside kicks, fake this, fake that. In Jody Allen we trust!!!! (Hehe)

by The K-Man on Nov 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

"Smacks K-Man for that last sentence!!"

LOL

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 27, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If we ran 55 run plays of 40 seconds...

We’d win the TOP battle: 36 minutes – 24 minutes. That’s a 10 minute swing in our favor compared to last year’s 34-26 them. What that would do, I don’t know. Maybe then Florida could only score 45 on us.

What really killed me last year was UF’s ability to run the ball. Any team that can run the ball at 6.9 YPC is going to win. No way Florida State’s DT are able to hold off UF’s interior OL. That triple option with Tebow having the option to pitch to Aaron Hernandez in front or Jeff Demps in the back (lol @ the inneundos) will destroy FSU.

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Nov 27, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

Just Curious

I’ve always thought that AU and FSU were similar in the fact that both play 2nd fiddle in their respective states, and have less $$ than the larger state school.

by jasonole59 on Nov 27, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Better off than AU

The old NCs and the insane run of dominance from the glory days allowed us to build a fan base in Florida and Ga that goes beyond what AU has. Florida also has more top talent than Alabama so that helps us off as well. I would say the program that most resembles our would be UCLA.

by osceolafan850 on Nov 27, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Would definitely think so.

But, man, if we played Florida the way Auburn’s played Bama, I’d be pleased.

by Drew J Jones on Nov 27, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

With the exception

of the trick plays at the begining by AU (which were great) it’s not been so much AU playing good as it is Bama playing bad. This game is showing Bama has no offense besides Ingram (and the rushing attack). Kinda worried about them in the SEC championship now

by KHow on Nov 27, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Auburn's defense is much much much better than ours

and their offense is probably as good as ours with EJ at QB

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 27, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Off topic

Very confused by the Tiger Woods report — out at 2:30 a.m. but alcohol not a factor? Serious injuries from crash just backing out of driveway?

Something is amiss.

by Fsued on Nov 27, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

It was the holidays

He was probably making a liquor run.

Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for Gtech and Clemson too!

lets see how the supposedly all “high and mighty” SEC does against the supposedly “lowly” ACC this year. 2-2 so far (with ACC 2-0 since Week 2) with 3 games left on Saturday. I’m sick and tired of SEC fans claiming theyre the best football conferance! I say ACC goes atleast 4-3 against them with Gtech and Clemson win!

by flmarlins7 on Nov 27, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Im looking past this game to our Bowl game,

Who will we be playing in our Bowl?
  Bright spot in the arse whoopin this weekend. After getting terrorized by the Gators D at this game, who ever we face in our bowl game their D will seem like cupcakes to EJ and our offense.

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

Bobby on UF and their fans

“I’m going to miss it,” he says. “They’ve got great fans, the kind of fans you want if you’re from there. They know when to be loud, and when to be quiet. Great fans.”

He pauses, the wistfulness wedging back into his words.

“You know,” he says, “when I retire, I’d like to go back there as a neutral. I think I’d like that.”

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 27, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm

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          o Confused about people, places, or times
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          o Unable to read or write
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          o Unable to speak (without muscle paralysis)
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          o Have impaired language skills
          o Repeat phrases
          o Speak poorly (enunciation)
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Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Bobby....

Bobby to recruits “man to play in front of their fans, that would be great ya know. the best fans. I can’t wait to go back whe i retire”

by jasonole59 on Nov 27, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he could leave for Gainesville now

Why wait?

Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools

by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?
They know when to be loud, and when to be quiet. Great fans

Hmmmm… and when to be quiet? I hope he gets canned after this weekend.

by CSI Nole on Nov 27, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be willing

to pitch in $100 to Rent a billboard in Tally and post all of His Fked up comments that show just how out of his Fking tree he is… How much is a Billboard 2-3K a month? we get 30 people to pitch in $100 And dont call him by name just say BoBo fits him better then BB

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

They are smarter than Ann and BB

The two of them never know when to shutup

Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools

by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This comment disgusts me.

You do not say this about your most bitter rival, nice message to send to recruits (as jasonole said). This may be just one of many reasons our recruiting has been in the toilet outside of last year.

by phinole on Nov 27, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he was taking a shot at our fanbase for speaking our minds

Saying UF fans know when to be quiet and we don’t. Believe that if you want Bobby. We’re going to voice our opinions until you leave to Europe, for good.

by CSI Nole on Nov 27, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think he

has the intelligence left to take a shot like that. he been shooting blanks all season and the ones that have gone off have been straight into his foot.

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Perfect lockerroom motivation for UF

"You know," he says, "when I retire, I’d like to go back there as a neutral. I think I’d like that."

Meyer’s pregame speech “One of the most legendary coaches of all times likes UF so much he is going to be a fan moving forward and really doesn’t care how FSU fares in the future.”

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 27, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He says nicer things about Gator fans than he does about us. I’m sure he would point out that we have more praise for Urban Meyer than we do for him. LOL

by 38Noles on Nov 27, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

RaysnNoles

where did you get this quote from?

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

For Bobby Bowden, it’s his last trip to Florida Field

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 27, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a jackal, bring on the f*cking noose.
Bowden turned 80 this month, and the jackals are running him down, demanding he retire after this season, if not sooner. Some want to replace the whistle around his neck with a noose.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Nov 27, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Shocked? Of course not. Pissed? Yup

I’m still going to kick and scream after this game. I don’t give a rats ass how good UF might be or how crappy we might be. This is where we are and it’s a product of an incompetent administration. Too many of our fans accept losing to UF. Too many of our fans take the “I don’t care, we are going to get blown out.” They are just like our senile head coach. Don’t buy into the culutre of losing. We should march to the president’s door and demand change after we get destroyed by them yet again.

Don’t be a bunch of Bowdens and shrug off another asskicking to UF. Stand up and make your voices heard that we aren’t going to stand for this horseshit.

When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.

by mp212121 on Nov 27, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

So who ( what player)

in our offense will rack the most yards?

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

will it be

Fortson ?
Reed ?
Owens ?
Thomas?

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 27, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The time to freak out and I did

Was when Bobby urged Jeff to stay the course, when they gave BB 2.5 million dollars to coach and oversee his sidekicks, Amato and crew, When Ann said FSU needs them more than they need FSU. That was freak out time. Now days it is just rubbing salt in an open wound.

Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools

by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

You have to stay focused on what counts.

That is busting up the gators so bad Alabama stomps them. If you can’t get the ball get the meat yeah yeah yeah!

Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools

by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

35-33...I PRAY

Mistakes late nearly cost us a game from a 17 point lead, but G.Reid intercepts Tebow with 27 seconds left to seal the victory….WHAT?WHY DID YOU WAKE ME..I WAS JUST BEGINNING TO BELIEVE..BUT REALLY..WOULDNT THAT BE PERFECT??

by MDFSUFAN on Nov 27, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

Gonna be ugly

but will be with 4 of my buddies in all our garnet and gold right smack in the middle of the UF student section. Hopefully Ill get thrown out before were down by 30…
Whats really sad is with Ponder I actually think we could make this a shootout and have a shot.

by BJ the Bossman on Nov 27, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

21-14

Florida State on top

the only reason i say this is because I had a dream about it two years ago and I’m just hopping that i’m a prophet rather than just a dreamer

by Trus1te on Nov 27, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

In a dream

I had last night, FSU was up 31-27. UF driving down field, needing a TD to win with a minute left on the clock. Timmy throws a bomb to his beloved man-crush Riley Cooper, only to be picked off by #22 himself; Korey Mangum. Mangum then proceded to take it to the house for a pick-six. Simultaneously, Bobby Bowden announced his retirement effective immdiately. After the game Mickey Andrews pulls onto the field his new truck and does donuts on the gator head on the 50 yard line.

by KHow on Nov 27, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Then I would be pissed

 that I sold my 4 tickets for that game ! No matter how much money I made on them…

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 28, 2009 7:05 AM EST reply actions  

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