BREAKING: ESPN reports Bowden to "soul search;" meeting Monday with FSU brass
by Fsued on Nov 28, 2009 9:06 PM EST
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Here is the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4696610
It seems clear to me that this is face-saving by Bowden and that the announcement will come this week that his time at FSU is over.
It's so sad for me to express just how joyful I feel at this news.
It's even more sad to feel like this makes the day a "net win" for the program.
But it's true.
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Or losses
USF, 6th straight against UF, etc
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by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 28, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with this as well
It seems clear to me that this is face-saving by Bowden and that the announcement will come this week that his time at FSU is over.
Well I thought it was over when Jim Smith said his comments
I am in wait and see mode.
I think you're right
Jim Smith would not just make public comments like he did without giving considerable thought to what he was saying and with support from the Board.
Foosball is the devil
Like I said I am in wait and see mode.
I hope BB bows out gracefully but that’s just the optimism in me.
by Legal_Seminole on Nov 28, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
It is not a total loss for BB
He can still raid the till for another one million instead of 2.3 million. That will help a little towards making up the bad real estate deals and padding the trust fund for the kids.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
i just dont see him annoucing anything but coming back. he’s probably doing this as a “fake out” of sorts. maybe to get a raise or something. i think he’s back next yr. he’s too self centered to leave 2.5mil/yr. hell, he’s doing “soul searching” all the way to the bank. he’ll talk to ann and she’ll convince him he can turn it around next yr, so he’ll announce monday he’s decided to come back and the bobbyguards will rejoice.
I'm not popping the cork on the champagne just yet
I subscribe to the same theory of Bobby Bowden’s mind as 81FSU above. But I respect you guys here at TN enough that I am paying close attention to this.
I have been a vocal Bowden detractor since 2004, but I am totally ok with him saving a little face ON HIS WAY OUT THE DOOR! He can cast this as his decision, and his choice to give Jimbo the reins if he wants.
So close but...
Keep in mind, this guy has a PR firm working for him and they probably said, “Hey Bobby, if you lose this week, make sure you look really sad so that people will think you genuinely care about your failure of a season, that way you will be able to fool people into thinking that you really want to give it one more shot at winning a title.”
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 28, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
"Soul Search," huh?
He’s going to search his soul to remember the statement T.K. just made to him. Something along the lines of, “it’s over, buddy.”
>>---l>
I am now getting on the phone with every contact I know in Tallahassee.
Here’s to hoping Bobby leaves. It’s time and has been for so long.
What changed? It seemed like the coaches knew going in that they were going to get pounded. Mickey said it was “almost impossible” to win. Bobby said basically said the team had a better shot next year when Tebow is gone (as if Tebow is the only reason they’ve been winning).
I think he knows the team will be better next year. I can’t believe he would choose NOT to return. As has been suggested this statement might be only to save face in the event he really is told his time is up.
there's a difference between
“almost impossible” and being so completely out of it.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 28, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Soul Searching = Money Grap
probably trying to extort more cash from FSU to leave. His contracts is up in January offer him 1$ to coach next year or 2 mill to leave and STFU
I'll believe it when I see it
I hope this is him finally leaving, but the way he and Ann has acted this year I wouldn’t put it past him to try and have one final season. I hope the university tells him to get bent.
I don't think he's leaving on his own
I think this statement is almost a fake out after getting smashed by UF. He will say that “he really, really thought about things and you know what….it’s best if I come back”
bobby
Scared to death that selfish Bobby and Anne will play both ends from the middle – if Noles win , Bobby say " see I’ve still got it " 1 more year w/ Ponder " If hel oses , I can’t go out losing to U/f in final game " Lucky to get a bid to St Pete Bowl – Can’t tackle a stationery dummy Not Mickey’s fault , he’s done the best w/ what he had – he is a stud ..
I just think there are too many factors going against him trying to stay. First the Jim Smith comments and especially where he admitted to the fact that the university was suffering financially as a result of this situation. Then the almost half-empty stadiums at the end of the season. Most importantly I think that the search for a new pres might help the university grow a pair and force Bowden out, nobody in their right mind would want come here and deal with Bowden next year when we will probably be much better. The situation is perfect right now to make the move
If I was the athletic director
we’d have this “soul searching” meeting on the bus back to Tally. Also, Amato and Allen would find themselves stranded at a rest stop in Lake City.
by 38Noles on Nov 28, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of which...
do we know when the new DC will be announced? Most said after the UF game…
by basbalstr101 on Nov 28, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
It depends..
if they are not currently employed, then yes soon, otherwise most likely after bowl game or SECCG :)
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Not really. Lsu assistants and stanford assistants have been taking other jobs before they played their last game.
yes, and
i feel as though it should be announced asap for recruiting
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
and in his interview
BB said fsu will be back, not we will be back
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
On another site a mod said it will be released sometime after the meetings this week
Whether that means THIS week or after the bowl I’m not sure. But I seemed to think it meant sooner than later. Even if the coach is announced but doesn’t come in until the new year, it’s better than announcing it all in a month.
Whoever can
Make videos for youtube. If you can take the Tebow failed jump pass (Lundquist shouting “Perfect!!!! Perfect!!!” and incorporate that into “jizz in my pants”, you will be an internet legend.
Check that, just incorporate the entire game commentary and you’ll be sitting on youtube gold
by FLAK8 on Nov 28, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Lundquist
We’ve all seen him blunder play after play….but I think tonight’s fumble of the Tebow eye black bible verse is a new low. I mean – come on?!?!
Lundquist=Joke
Verne Lundquist is as terrible to college football as Bill Rafferty is to college basketball. The common link is CBS.
by lildrunknole on Nov 28, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
HOW DOES VERN HAVE A JOB?
I hate cbs sec coverage because of gary and verne. Not only was it bad enough watching us get beat down. I had to listen to the tebow love fest. He quoted the wrong verse. He and gary hated watching tim fumble his long run. He called a pass perfect that never had a chance! Verne and tebow should get married and throw jump passes all the live long day!
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 29, 2009 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think BB has 2 choices;
1. “Soul Search” and make the decision to retire, i.e. “go out on his own terms” or, 2. not have his contract renewed in January 2010.
Bobby’s saga is almost Shakespearean; if he would have either retired after the 2000 season when FSU was at the absolute pinnacle of CFB (unprecidented 3 straight championship game appearances!) he could have left with a considerable legacy intact or, if he had made the right decision and hired the best OC available (of whom he would have had his pick) when Richt left instead of his talent-chalenged son he would have likely attained everthing his considerble ego ever wanted. With an elite OC and offense to match the good to great MA defenses that we had through most of this decade he might have won another NC or two and would have almost certainly blown by Paterno in the win column with several more 10-11 win seasons likely.
BB clearly decimated the FSU program and screwed the fans, but in the end he may have screwed himself even more. Shakespearean or Greek tragedy indeed!
Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Soul Searching?
Don’t you have to have a soul for you to do some “soul searching”? Maybe he’s looking for his soul. Ann’s ground it up and has been feeding it to him in his pudding.
by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Nov 28, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions
OUCH!
George Diaz from the Sentinel weighs in:
by Fsued on Nov 28, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
just a feeling, but i think we’re in for a letdown too. his comments over the years, especially this yr, have made it clear he values himself over the university.
Meeting early this week
One of ESPN’s sources “close to FSU” has said that FSU is meeting with Jimbo and BB to ‘discuss’ things. “An announcement” is to follow closely.
until the admin prove they have more balls than Ann I will not take them seriously
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
Bobby's 'soul' is only interested...
in money and having his arse kissed.
He will continue to hold FSU hostage and act like he is doing FSU a favor in the process.
UF needs Bobby more than FSU does
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts
1. I thought we actually played ok. We ran the ball decent considering we didn’t have Hudson or Caz, and UF was keying in on the run.
2. UF played great defense. Nothing we can do if they are hitting our WR the second he catches it on a middle screen, or if they are not missing any tackles, or are all over our guys in coverage.
3. EJ reminds me of 08 Ponder. You can see that he is working hard to get there and his mobility is promising, he just needs a little more confidence in the pocket. Hopefully he won’t start for another 21 months, so he’s got plenty of time to improve. I think he will be a very good starting QB for us.
4. Cornerbacks needs to get off the WR blocks better. They did nothing to stop those HB sweeps.
5. WRs were great. Other than the illegal Fortson block, was there a single WR miscue?
6. Why oh why was Robinson our kick returner??
RE: 5
I think the block in the block in the back call was bogus. Not in a conspiracy thoery way, just a bad call. Fortson was behind the UF player, but didn’t push him.
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Nov 28, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Also Reed was excellent
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Nov 28, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I was disappointed with Patrick Robinson. He’s been our best corner this year but I expected him to hold his own a little better when matched up with Hernandez. He wasn’t even close on a few of his catches.
there were a few where he had pretty good coverage the throw and catch were on the money
But he did have some terrible plays.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 28, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think he underestimated Hernandez' route running
Don’t know how, but I don’t think he realized how precise a route he’d run. And that long TD to Cooper, he was supposed to have safety help over the top. Even then he had pretty good coverage IMO. Better throw and catch. Nobody really played a great game though honestly
#6, yeah where the heck was Reid for goodness sake?
Are we trying to handicap ourselves?
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Right, this game is on Jimbo! If we had JB we'd have won this 45-12.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 28, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
If only we could get rid of JF
Then BB and co. would be free to get this team back on track!
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying that. You all need to do some critical thinking for yourself instead of leaning on every single syllable FSUn writes. The offense did not do well this game. Accept it. I suspect tonight or tomorrow I will see the good ol’ yards per play state demonstrating FSU’s amazing offense. However, moving the ball alone doesn’t win games. You have to score at some point. Even if FSU had great defense, the offense, the way it performend, would not have been able to win the game for us.
Facing the #1 defense in the country on the road
Missing 4 starters, including playing a freshman QB. This was never going to go well.
>>---l>
He will dodge this statement
Either that or he is silly enough to think injuries mean nothing.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 28, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
you think having a qb in his 3rd start in his first hostile environment has anything
to do with the offense’s performance? I’m just sayin’.
Oh yes we can find reasons. I’m just holding Jimbo responsible for the performance which apparently no one here does. You want to hold Bobby responsible for the overall record. I want to hold Jimbo accountable for the way the offense performed tonight.
Good point.
It is very difficult to solve complex problems when considering all the data. Thanks to your narrow focus you have proposed a simple solution to ours! Our offense struggles against the #1 defense in the country, at their place, on senior day, with a rookie QB, an injured AA guard, missing their experienced tight end, and you are “holding” Jimbo accountable. Bravo! A lot of folks simply would not be able to come to that conclusion, much less have the nerve to say it publicly. You have a gift. Use it wisely for the good of us all.
fm
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
because Jimbo is the reason good offensive recruit didn't want to come here?
with what he had to work with Jimbo has done a great job. Jimbo didn’t hire his son and wasted talents.
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
Also, you realize that UF's D is VERY good don't you?
We’re not saying we should have won this game. It’s a cherry on top type of issue. This is the 6th time in a row. We’ve fixed the O, we know that. We now don’t have any D.
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Why aren't you...
…taking into account that we started a redshirt freshman for his third start? Why aren’t you taking into account the MASSIVE increases in almost every offensive category since JF came here?
Yes, the bottom line is that the O did not play well, but they have a myriad of legit excuses, the D doesn’t.
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should give Bobby a break too? We can find reasons the last couple years to defend Bobby too. I mean Weatherford wasn’t too great. That should account for some of Bobby’s losses the last few years.
Did you read the preview for this game?
It really was unrealistic for anyone to have expected us to compete in this game
>>---l>
seems like we gave him about 8 years of breaks, if you asked me, starting
with allowing him to hire his unqualified son as O.C.
lul
I’ve been reading your response all day, and I’ve tried to stay away but I just can’t at this point.
If you thought this offense was going to put up more than 20 today than either you need to take the G&G glasses off or you’re just retarded. Everyone here know that EJ would’ve had to have put on the best performance by a FSU QB in the Swamp since Charlie Ward in 93 to get a win.
FSU’s defense would rank in the middle of the damn Sun Belt conference and yet t wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 28, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m simply saying say the offense did not do well. It does not matter if it was expected for what I’m saying. The defense was expected to suck. I guess we should give the defensive coaches a pass too while we’re at. Admittidely the defense hasn’t been good at any time this season they don’t get as much leeway.
Lul, you are an idiot.
Isn’t it amazing that at the beginning of the season Oklahoma was returning the reigning Heisman winner (a quarterback), arguably the best tight end in the country and an otherwise loaded offense, yet, with their star quarterback and tight end injured, their season is hit with FIVE LOSSES! You have to be kidding me with your retarded rhetoric. I’m sure those losses fall solely on Bob Stoops or whoever is calling the plays, right? Stoops should grow up and take accountability for this year’s Oklahoma team for their underwhelming performance, right?
Jimbo Fisher has taken one of the worst offenses in the ACC and turned it into a high powered weapon that consistently performs. When you remove the three most important pieces to that weapon (Ponder, Hudson and Caz) the weapon is not the same. I’m sure you’d expect the Colts not to miss a beat if Manning, Saturday, and Clark got injured for the rest of the season.
At the risk of being redundant: you’re an idiot.
And those who follow football
Realize Manuel started his third game and is no Ponder by any means.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby's no dummy...
he knows a comment along the lines of “you know, 50 percent of the teams in the country lost this week” would be a very bad idea right now.
In other words, I agree with the posters who advise against thinking Bobby would do the right thing for the program instead of doing that which feeds his own ego. My guess is that this is a psychological ploy designed to exhibit a PHONY care for the program, before he reverse course this week and says something along the lines of “I know whats wrong and I can fix it.”
Extremely well, 81FSUnole. Extremely well.
In fact, for someone like him, I would go so far as to say it is basically second nature. People are still suckered by his “aw-shucks” attitude. This guy is a master political strategist.
50% of the teams in country lost today...
…What % of those teams were 4-score underdogs and failed to cover the spread? FSU is one of them.
by The K-Man on Nov 28, 2009 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nigel Bradham is a damn good player. 1st round pick - when he comes out.
I was wrong on him. I thought he was slightly overrated coming into this year, and he’s proven me wrong.
He’s done it without coaching too. Awesome player.
by FSUSOM on Nov 28, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree
He plays on instinct and passion alone. And out of position honestly. New DC and LB coach are gonna enjoy helping him develop for the next 2 years.
that speed he displayed
in a footface with what was it Demps on the 60 yard run he had was impressive, esp for a LB.
I was impressed.
Looked like Bradham would’ve tracked him down if PRob didn’t get there first. And PRob just looked way faster than both of them to me.
That was the angle he had
it will always make you look faster than you are.
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Sorry for the confusion
my post about the angle was in ref. to P. Rob, not Bradham.
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Good Call...
I even thought he was over-rated by his early season play (atrocious in my opinion), but he has come on like a Beast. He hits hard, is fast as hell, and just does a ton for an OLB that gets no middle of the field help at ILB (Kendall Smith is the worst ILB I have seen in the 24 years that I have watched every FSU game on TV) or Safety (worst two starting Safeties in the same timeframe – make Roger Williams and Kyler Hall look like AA’s), or edge of the field help (Markus White and Kevin McNeil are wretched, and despite what FSUn has said, our CB’s – both PRob and Jenije – have been really shitty. And that is taking into consideration our awful scheme, awful DL, etc. – they still have sucked.) I guess what I’m trying to say is that he is one of the only good defensive players we have.
Kendall may be playing out of position, but he shouldn't be a starter at any position for us
Marcello Church and Sam McGrew would be a massive upgrade over Smith, and they only saw the field on 20% of defensive snaps as upperclassmen.
really shitty is very strong for P-Rob
again I dont think people understand the difficulty of his position, especially considering there is NO pass rush.
This week's rivalry games
Almost all of the supposedly overmatched teams in rivalry games played up this week and made the games interesting….except us.
I think that says a lot about Florida and Florida State.
I had some hope in making this competitive after UT/A&M and Bama/Auburn
ooops
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
yes, very interesting game, I thought.
For example, who knew that the first FG attempt in college rivalry games are worth 30 points? I am always learning new and interesting things watching FSU games the last 5-7 years.
Obviously a Bowden call
“let’s just get on the board”. That’s what Bowden would say of course.
The newspaper interview
Quotes Bowden as saying he did not want to be shutout so he called a field goal. Just more reason fro him to pack up.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
California sports talk show host
Carmichael Dave just tweeted this:
I’ve just been told that FSU coach Bobby Bowden will annnounce his retirement early next week. Best college coach ever. Period
I don’t know his source or his relationship with FSU, just passing it along.
Twitter.com/mmagroundnpound
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yea, one wonders where a host in California would get such inside info, unless the ESPN
article at the beginning of this thread got mangled into “Bobby’s retiring.”
I had that worry as well. Instead of being more of an insider than us, it’s possible he was just careless. Fingers crossed.
He’s very reliable with MMA news, which is why I follow him. I can’t vouch for him on anything else though. However, as a sports radio producer in Chicago, I can tell you that I have sources from all over the place, not just here. He may have the same.
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well, I hope he does have that source. But I am not going to get my hopes up
until I actually see it happen. I wont believe it until I actually see Bobby at the podium…or at least until the rumor starts getting reported by multiple competing sources.
Best college coach ever? Doesn't sound very reliable
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 28, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Carmichael Dave
is legit…he’s broken news in the MMA world before…mixed martial arts for the uninformed…
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 28, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this guy is legit.
I’m not going to get my hopes up though until I hear the words from Bobby’s mouth.
That statement is just reckless and a 50-50 chance of being right. Why not take a chance and make this statement and look like a genius if you are right.
Here I want to look like a genius also.
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I heard that
You forgot to mention that Herban Meyer will leave for Southbend after the season to take that Notre Dame job. Sister Hermana Maria told me that UF will lose to Alabama.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby made a fool of himself again
For the first time we saw announcers who didn’t get Bobby’s back. They pointed out how bad of shape this program is in and they posted those quotes making Bowden look foolish. Not to mention the asskicking we received, again.
The time to cut him loose is NOW. Just get the damn thing over with and let’s move on for crying out loud.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
The only thing holding it back
is the backlash from the media. So what better time than right now, when Bowden made a fool of himself yet again, and with all the BCS crap going on it will have a very small shelf-life. If FSU doesn’t make this happen next week our University is truly pathetic and incompetent to the fullist degree. I’m still holding out a sliver of hope that they actually will do something right for once. We’ll see.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
Couldn't agree more
With this azz whupping no way anyone in the press could say FSU was wrong for canning him. No spin is possible from the Bowden camp and I think Bobby knows that.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 28, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
yep, mp212121 is 100% correct. Bobby has flushed away all his political chips, so
to speak, and he knows it. Thus, the “soul-searching” comment at the beginning of this thread.
He is playing texas hold ’em and has just looked down and noticed he is out of chips and a crappy two cards dealt to him.
That’s a good point. What better week to break a CFB story than the week of a #1 vs. #2 game involving your rival?
Have you seen our candidates?
HALF are absolute jokes.
A QUARTER have deep ties to FSU, which I do NOT want.
The remaining quarter seems respectable.
We will be able to tell how serious is the Trustees are about academics based on the list of finalists. Interviews are the first week of December.
Both Holtz and May said the same old crap
“He deserves to say…”
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I meant stay not say
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
All he deserves
Is the chance to say he is retiring. If he won’t take it TK should take it for him. May and Holtz are complete idiots.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Man I hate Holtz and May
Holtz played the “he should get to pick when he goes” card. May says Bowden should get one more year but gives no reason why. People stuck in the past.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Holtz thought ND was going to the NCG this year
Think about that
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
And May, wasn't he USC alum
They all hope he stays so we stay down and cant beat their teams
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Could never tell
By the way he kisses their achem
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby
He doesn’t have to retire he could go coach at Notre Dame and both he and Lou would be happy.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
So I just contacted the main sports writers for the Florida Times Union (Jacksonville)
While he wouldn’t deny Bowden announcing he was retiring, he definitely didn’t try to refute it.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 29, 2009 12:07 AM EST reply actions
Mark May is retarded
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
He's been like that all year
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Mark May: "Without Bobby Bowden there would be no successful FSU program"
There is no successful FSU program, mark!
How do people NOT understand this?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
you didnt know that mark had a crystal ball and could predict what would've happened?
i hate when they say w/out BB there’d be know FSU. in all reality, can’t really determine that. too many extrinsic factors at play. he did great things for us, but to say we’d never have been relevant is ignorant
The elephant in the room on this issue is the success of Miami and Florida during the same period. They have now both won more national championships than Bowden. In my mind, you can argue FSU would have been better without Bowden just as well as you can argue we would have been nothing without him.
People act as if FSU didn't build Bowden's career!
Think he could have done what he did in any state OTHER THAN FLORIDA?? Get real.
Absolutely. Without FSU, Bowden is just another Bear Bryant wannabe trying to make a buck in college coaching.
He’s Bill Curry more or less, and I doubt Bill Curry’s family is set up for generations.
Holtz and May...
How do these idiots have this job? In this economy, it’s a travesty these clowns are getting paid what they do. Anybody that thinks bowden should stay as long as he wants clearly doesn’t have a grasp of reality and business sense, and they most certainly shouldn’t be employed at ESPN.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
Most of ESPN's analysts
Really do suck. They hire old players and coaches and hope to get something intelligent. More often than not they fail when it comes to college. They need to hire more reporters and less jocks.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yea
Him and Palmer aren’t that bad. But May, Holtz, Ware, and the fat ex-lineman are horrible.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Which is exactly why Robert Smith is rarely ever on.
Too much straight talk. The truth is frowned upon.
May
He doesn’t know that, FSU might have hired Jimmy Johnson, Howard Schellenberger or others who could beat BB when the chips were down.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets hear what he says about ND after they are done showing highlights of their game
Right now they are showing the complete lack of defense that was Stanford vs ND
It seemed that way.
I don’t know why either, EJ has a very strong arm.
+1
People keep saying he has a weak arm, but that isn’t the case AT ALL.
LOSING TO UF DIDN'T/WON'T MAKE BOBBY LEAVE
Today is NOT a net win for the program simply because the loss today had no impact on this meeting. It was going to happen regardless.
And i still don’t see Bobby leaving. I just don’t see it.
well, the meeting might have happened anyway, but I would not go so far as to say that
today’s debacle will have NO impact on the content of that meeting. Like I said earlier, I think this Bowden character is running out of poker chips…fast.
The meeting most definitely would've happened anyway.
For a month or two there have been rumors of giving Fisher complete control of the team next year if Bobby returns or “buying out” Bobby. You’re right that this game takes away a huge possible bargaining chip, but he had a short stack to begin with and losing today didn’t take anything away from that. It’s still small.
Besides, we told Bobby he had 3 more years to coach when we did the head coach in waiting deal. If Bobby wants that 3rd year, he’ll get it. period.
My point is
Bobby will be back next year most likely, imo, because we made that agreement with him but with a diminished role in the program.
That was NOT the agreement.
The deal was that if Fisher was not head coach BY 2011, he would get paid. bobby’s contract became year to year. There was no firm deadline as to when bobby would leave, but everyone assumed he would be reasonable and leave BY 2011 if not before.
But he’s not reasonable. If he won’t leave voluntarily, FSU did not agree to renew his contract for next year.
We gave Bobby that 3 year window.
He wasn’t told “If you don’t win 10 games every year, we’ll let you go sooner”. He had been told for years he could coach as long as he wanted.
If all it takes to be reasonable is leaving by 2011, Bobby could still do that…
He's also given a 1 year contract at a time for a reason
The thing about contracts is, once their done, its up to BOTH sides to renew. We don’t have to renew anything based on Bobby or anyone else’s assumption that he can stay until 2011.
You may not renew it.
But if TK made an agreement to renew the contract with Bobby up until the Fisher clause kicks in, I think he would uphold his end.
however, we told bobby he had the 3 years before all the empty seats this year, before
Jim Smith came out with his comments, before the evidence came in that this HCIW idea is not working. Would this information not factor into a decision about bobby next year.
Personally speaking, I agree with those here who say that after today’s performance, with #1 vs #2 coming up next saturday, the FSU administration could easily pull the trigger on pushing him out with minimal damage.
Jim Smith said he wanted resolution.
If it was put in contract that Bobby only had one more year, that’d be enough for most of the big wigs, I’d think. I know he said he wanted this to be Bobby’s last year, but that’s not specifically Smith’s call to make.
And would a farewell tour not bring people out to the stadium? I would hope so. I don’t much like the person he apparently has become, but I do appreciate everything he’s done for the school. I also think we’ve done quite a bit to show him thanks already. Winning would help next year, too. Whether or not Bobby’s there, the outcome should be roughly the same, assuming Fisher gets his own staff.
tricknole, I think the monkey wrench thrown into what you are arguing is simply
this: this HCIW thing is not working, not at all. That convoluted set-up was predicated on one unstated assumption: that the program would improve while Jimbo was HCIW, before he would become HC. The wheels are coming off this thing, and I do mean monetarily as much as wins/losses (i.e.-empty seats).
The bottom line is, I really dont know if this school can AFFORD to have Bowden riding around on a golf cart doing nothing for a season. They may not have the option.
I think the school can afford it.
Read up a few posts. We are offering Bobby MILLIONS more than his yearly salary to step aside at the end of this season. I don’t think the difference in lost “revenue” would be much different if we were to keep him around next year.
And again, with Fisher’s staff, I would expect moderate improvement on defense, which, if the offense can maintain, should result in a better win/loss result on the field, which would attract more fans.
I’m not advocating that Bobby return, just that I’m not sure he’s definitely going to leave or that he’s feeling heat from the majority of the fanbase.
The big difference between Ponder and EJ is their reads.
Ponder and the receivers are always on the same page, and the ball is always on time. EJ is often late with his throws, but that is expected from a freshman qb making his 3rd start.
Classless wishing for Bobby to leave!
You know this website wouldn’t exist and most FSU fans would not be fans of this football team without Bobby Bowden and everything he has done OVER a career to give each and everyone one of us something to cheer about, cry about, ramble on and on about, watch old games etc……….
None of it happens without Bobby and for some of you so determined to see him GO it is down right distasteful, rude and frankly if this is the way things are going to go down then I hope FSU never has another winning season in my lifetime. There is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. Does it suck to lose to Florida AGAIN? Yes. Does it suck to not be the powerhouse we once were? Yes.
Folks whether Bobby leaves on Monday or retires at the end of next year it will not make a difference one bit.
We would have still lost to Florida today with or without Bobby on the sideline. We would still have our sorry defensive players overruning and not knowing their assignments to stop Florida’s 3 play offense.
Wishing Bowden would leave is totally classless and he has earned the right to say when he leaves and I hope on Monday this is what is said to Seminole nation.
1. Bobby Bowden will be back next year.
2. Next year will be his final year.
3. More head coaching powers will be handed down to Jimbo Fisher starting in January and Jimbo will hire the defensive coordinator he wants at the program when he officially becomes head coach.
4. Since Jimbo will basically be head coach next year they will probably want to go and get themselves a new offensive coordinator possibly as well.
This is what I see happening. If anything else is determined next week which basically shows me that Bobby was forced out then I am threw with FSU. No more money is being given to the school as far as booster money, no more FSU tag for my car, no more FSU credit car, no more $$$$$$$ from me.
Now if Monday rolls around and Bobby makes the decision to step down of his own free will then that is fine with me. He has EARNED the right to do that.
I read your first paragraph, then skipped to the last, and I agree with the last!
by EngineerNole on Nov 29, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
“frankly if this is the way things are going to go down then I hope FSU never has another winning season in my lifetime.”
This pretty much outs you as a Bowden fan and not an FSU fan. Maybe Warchant is more your speed.
I'm not an apologist
But I think it’d be a shame for it all to end this way. I think a farewell tour would be good for the university, the team, the fans, Bobby, and college football as a whole. If he doesn’t want to do it how we outline it, that’s his choice. But I’d still give him the choice.
Too tired to really fight the stupidity
But I will say it is not classless to say someone should be fired for not performing their job. It is what normal businesses do. And D1 football is a business.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
sadly
This is what it has come too. SII, go to gainesville where you will make a lot freinds. They too want Bobby to stay forever and call his own shot. I’ll pray for you though. Maybe you’ll see it not a throne, it’s a job. If I do a bad job, I get fired. Whether I’ve been there 3 months or 30 years.
Stupid post.
Just dumb. Bobby Bowden University does not exist. Period. Stop acting like that old man did his job for free. Congrats on being a great coach 10 years ago, but while you’re sleeping every other major opponent we have is widening the gap. I cheer for FSU. When we score, I do the tomahawk chop, I sing the fight song and join in the warchant. Not once do I go, YAY BOBBY! You assume that if Bobby Bowden was never hired at FSU, this football program would be nothing, but consider that this is the state of Florida . . . USF has built a stable and strong football program in less than 1.5 decades. If you want to stop supporting FSU because Bobby Bowden lost his job for SUCKING, that’s your business. But don’t bitch and moan to the rest of us for recognizing that these kids that bust their asses for FSU MOST DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR don’t need their careers, futures and college experiences wasted on an old man that doesn’t know their names and blames them for every loss that comes up. All so we can satisfy his ego and glorified legacy. You’re entitled to your opinion yes, but I hope you realize that your opinion is mired in emotion and lacking very little if any rational thought or objective reasoning. Bobby Bowden has a losing record against UF now. 7 years ago he was 17-11-1. The last 3 contests have been laughable. He laughed when we lost to USF and claimed he didn’t know they were as good as they are. Bobby Bowden simply does not do his job, period. He doesn’t recruit, he doesn’t game plan and he doesn’t coach up and inspire anyone. When you do a job, no matter how long you do it, you earn a paycheck. You don’t earn rights to hold an institution hostage with your years of goodwill and fanfare. Especially considering much of that good will goes out of the window when you violate nepotism policies and cry like a baby once your non-qualified son is PAYED BIG MONEY TO STEP DOWN. You’ve purposely ignored every awful thing Bobby Bowden has done to our University and for that, I say you don’t deserve to be a Nole anyway.
by truenole87 on Nov 29, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
These BB supporters will drop off for a while but will be back when we start winning again.
by Florida_State on Nov 29, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Hot Button Topic
I love truenole87’s passion and rationale. This is a difficult topic to discuss with most people but logically he has to go. From a purely business standpoint he is costing money by not filling up seats to watch a quality product that has HIS name on it. I don’t think there is anyone here who wouldn’t thank BB for all he has done. It is time to move on. Thank you for stating it much more passionately and eloquently than I could truenole87.
by lildrunknole on Nov 29, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
This more than anything expresses my deepest feeling and passion for the school I love.
Thank you Truenole87, I could have never said it better myself.
Bowden laughs off losses?
You mean to tell me the losing coaches of the Auburn-Alabama, Georgia-Georgia Tech, USC-UCLA, Clemson-South Carolina, and Ole Miss-Miss State games don’t have the same reaction as below during the post-game handshake???
That sh*t makes my stomach turn
I’m sorry but I was feeling 100% disgusted the entire game yesterday and this jackass looks downright tickled to death. He’s simply removed from what is going on here. Makes no sense at all. GTFO!!!!!! (go ahead and call me classless sll)
What was said...
“Hey buddy!!!! You sure did whup us good! See ya next year!”
Notice the bill of his cap is already signed so he can throw it to the masses of adorning fans as he leaves the field. Man, if I was at a game and caught his hat, I’d throw it right back to him. Like how they throw the opponents homers back at Wrigley Field…
He threw it into Chiefs
Not sure who caught it but it didn’t go back. A friend of mine caught his hat from Clemson, too.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
He probably thinks he won the game.
I mean, he’s the coach for UF, right? He can’t wait to go back there!
Wrong
FSU did not begin with Bowden and it will not end with him. There were fans before, there will be fans after.
Two questions: Must we allow him to destroy the program he was instrumental in building in order to repay him? If yes, should he not then return the untold millions we have paid him for building the program?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
We owe him NOTHING more than the ridiculous amount he's been given
And we didn’t even owe him that much
>>---l>
RIGHT?!
I mean I guess millions upon millions of dollars (over $20 million since 2000), a stain glass window in his honor, the football field named in his honor, a bronze statue, endorsements and world class treatment from everyone that sees him around Tallahassee . . . I suppose this isn’t a reciprocal relationship and we should just continue to bow down to Bowden in exchange for the nothing he does for us.
i hope you get your classy wish and Bobby returns for a classy final season.
Enjoy another classy .500 season and a stadium half-filled with classy fans. Your classy Booster contributions are appreciated.
Have a classy Christmas and a classy New Year!
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2009 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
sll1728
You are right, Bobby earned the right to make decisions about his own future at FSU. But, he exercised that right years ago. He made a decision to force the hand of the institution. And here we are, several years since he played his hand and he’s out of chips. The only thing on the table now is a gun.
Folks whether Bobby leaves on Monday or retires at the end of next year it will not make a difference one bit.
Pay Attention.
Bowden takes up a coaching position. That handicaps FSU against all other teams with a full coaching staff (all of them). Less coaches to recruit, scheme, and well, something Bowden hadn’t done in well over a decade, COACH.
So even if Bowden doesn’t attend a single game, a single practice, and spends the entire year on an old persons cruise, he is hurting FSU.
*WARNING* BOWDENISTA ALERT*
Then color me distasteful. rude, and anything else you can come up with, and I color you a delusional Bowden ass licker for putting him above the program and hoping we never have another winning season. You have some nerve calling yourself a Nole.
None of it happens without Bobby and for some of you so determined to see him GO it is down right distasteful, rude and frankly if this is the way things are going to go down then I hope FSU never has another winning season in my lifetime.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
no one is owed a lifetime contract
go ahead and save your money. If all the alum, if you r an alum, held this view, against the alum who would give more money if bb leaves were compared. I’ll side with those who will donate more if he leaves. The reason we have constantly lost to uf and other acc teams, is bobbys fault. If we lack the talent to compete with them, its due to poor recruiting. I cant think of a better recruiting scenario than an 80 yo man speaking to an 18 yo and saying come play at fsu. get real.
There is no way possible that an 80 yo can relate to an 18 yo except in a grandfather role.
Was I the only one that wanted to smask the TV when BB decided to kick FG down by 30 in 3rd Qtr
I mean we are getting our asses handed to us and this senile old man decides to kick a FG on 4th and goal from the 3rd line down by 30 points in the 3rd Qtr.
If that doesnt make any seminole fan sick then I do Not know what will
He was worried about the shutout
So much for the Riverboat Gambler
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Such a whipping that when Florida State trailed 30-0 late in the third quarter, Bowden opted to kick a 20-yard field goal on fourth-and-goal from the Florida 2, instead of trying for a touchdown.
The coach that used to throw for the end zone whenever possible wanted to make sure the Seminoles weren’t shut out by their biggest rivals.
“That’s a darn good question,” Bowden said. “I knew it would come up. Why did we go for three? We just wanted to avoid a shutout. I don’t believe I’ve ever done that. The only thing worse than being down 30-0 is having nothing on the scoreboard. We took care of that.”
See, I told ya
It’s Bizzaro Bobby again
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
And when i post that
I hope it doesnt sound like im backing, or making excuses for him. I’m not backing him, and there’s no excuse for that fg try on the 2. let the JF era begin!!!!
by realnole1128 on Nov 29, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
he wanted to protect his job
a shutout and people would really calling for his head.
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
I'm with you.
That was disgusting and gutless and demoralizing. Who’s decision do you think that was?
fm
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
There is no FSU without Bobby Bowden
There is no FSU football without Bobby Bowden and that is a fact! You cannot deny it!
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way to do this. The wrong way started in 2007 when FSU jumped the gun to name Jimbo head coach in waiting to keep Jimbo at FSU instead of going to West Virginia in which the job there had just opened up. It was a reactionary decision which has caused a ripple affect amongst fans of FSU football. I think Jimbo is a good choice for our next coach but the way it was designed in 07 was wrong.
Ever since then so called “fans” of FSU have called for Bobby’s head.
How do you know?
We are smack in the middle of one of the biggest talent-rich areas in the nation. How do you know that ONLY Bowden would have made FSU great? You don’t.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Good, when he goes....you go to....
I am an FSU fan. You can go with Bobby when he goes.
Take a walk to the present
My house wouldn’t exist with the architect who designed it. If he tried to demolish my home I’d have him arrested. Just because Bowden was good a decade ago doesn’t mean he gets to stay around as long as he wants. And if Jimbo wasn’t the HCIW and had left two years ago can you imagine how bad we would be right now?
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The man is 80
Its just time
When i step back it just seems almost hysterical that we are all up in arms because an 80 year old man refuses to quit even though he is well past his prime.
Its like George Foreman in his later years…Does bobby have 31 children named Bobby that we don’t know about?
When my dad is 80
I don’t want him shoveling snow, much less being the CEO of a multi-million dollar business.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
No it seems hysterically sad that we've been duped by an 80 year old man
Who has made FSU his personal ATM and made himself the chief power holder at a public university. How this was allowed to happen by the old boy network of FSU administrators is beyond me.
>>---l>
it is beyond hysterical to put things into perspective.
80. 80, Bro. 80.
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2009 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no one man is bigger than the university
fsu will be there, and would have been there, with or with out him. Your argument holds no logic. You cannot state this as fact because you have no comparison point.
F the shutout
I always hated when I see a coach kick a FG just to avoid a shutout but todo it from the 3 yard line is really weak.
What kind of message does that send to the players?
I always thought that coached that did that were the biggest losers
HA!!!
Do I need to name the WR’s Jeff Bowden coached and groomed during our dynasty from 94-00?
Oh thats right we can’t give him credit for that, we will just give all the credit to someone else other than Jeff. It is like a selective biography.
Here is one for you. Did you know who coached Jimbo when he was in college other than Terry? Jeff Bowden did. He was either the QB or offensive coordinator during Jimbo’s senior year. Go figure!
Has nothing to do with the price of tea in China
Bringing up Jeff Bowden being on staff when Jimbo was in college is like bringing up Bill Gates’ High School teacher. Did she play a role in his education? Sure. Was she smart enough to make a billion dollars? Hell no.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Did you notice how all of those guys were epic fail
In the NFL?
Leads me to believe someone could have done better
Hey there you clueless idiot
Why don’t you go to the BB’s statue and get on your knees and worship it some more. Then you can go to BB’s office, where he chatting on the phone with his old cronies instead of coaching or recruiting, so you can crawl under his desk and blow is old sack some more. Then, when you’re done with that, you can go find all of his son’s, who have been failures at coaching, and lick all of there a$$e$.
That’s about what I am reading in your posts you idiot.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Nov 29, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions
Goodbye WC, Hello TN
Wow, how refreshing to see there are fans who don’t bow at the bronze statue.
Welcome to the party
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
bowing to bronze statue lol good one. :D
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
What bowl and against whom do you think we'll be going to?
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions
It's possible.
The Champs gets the 4th ACC pick. We are the 6th place team, but the bowls can choose a slow up/down by ONE conference W/L to fill their slot. That’s why Clemson got into the Gator ahead of us last year. We are one loss behind both Miami and Boston College. If we jump them, we become 4th. Neither school is known for travelling.
Why not?
We helped set the attendance record there last year and any Big Ten school would send droves of fans to FLORIDA in the dead of winter to face FLORIDA STATE.
Or, they could face Boston College…
Miami would be a great draw, but how would their fans show?
It may come down to what happens with Bobby this week. If he retires, the Champs Sports takes us. If he says “one more year”, maybe the CSB takes Miami.
I'd love to beat a bad big ten team
although Northwestern isn’t bad, they are very well coached. They are the opposite of FSU…little talent but great coaching.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
If Bowden announces his departure next week...
does that play into our chances of coming to the Champs in Orlando. It would sell out.
Bowden vs. Spurrier
One last time?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
South Carolina would MURDER us.
Their defense is stout. And we’d make their offense look prolific. Spurrier would love to send Bobby out crying.
Seriously
Bobby Bowden is 80. It is going to take 2-3 years to truly sort this out and become a contender again.
So does this mean our 82-83 year old coach is going to lead us to a national championship?
And then ride off in the sunset?
He’s just old and tired. Its time for grandpa to start acting like grandpa
We’ve been treating him like a senior citizen for 2-3 years now
Just making a point
Those who want all of the Bowden coaching legacy gone from FSU don’t see that Jimbo is a Bowden disciple, which is what I’m trying to show some of you who want to blame Bobby for protecting his son etc……. and blaming all of FSU problems on JB.
I laughed in 06 when fans were blaming Jeff for everything and I still laugh today just how pathetic it sounds in 09. Other than President Bush who got blamed for everything I think Jeff comes in a close second.
Jeff had terrible organizational skills
He could not keep reigns on the offense…
Everything was disjointed; our recruiting philosophy was tragically ridiculous
How was it not his fault? Our D was still great for 4-5 years after the Richt era ended…The offense had 2 tolerable years and then went plunging down hill
Revisionist History
Jimbo spent as much time as a coach working under Saban as he did Terry Bowden. He also learned what it took to be a championship coach from Saban since that is where he was the OC for two NC titles. This Bowden Disciple stuff comes from Bowdenistas like yourself who want to make it about Bobby. Jimbo’s offense looks nothing like what was run by Terry or Bobby. His formations are different and his preference for a defense is different. Yet those things more closely mirror what Saban is doing at Alabama.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Toliet bowl=entire FSU team. Not just "coach"
You win together as a team and you lose together as a team.
A team is only as strong as its weakest link
If that link is a player, it’s the coach’s job to fix it through training, recruiting, or teaching.
When the link is the coach, players can’t do much to fix it. They can’t bench Bowden.
He sure can be judged by his shitty records
I never said he can’t be judged. His legacy is in the past, a past that will never become the present or future again of this program. What I am saying is looking collectively at his overall career and contributions to the program during his time here, there is no good seasons, bad seasons or great seasons in FSU football history without Bobby Bowden and if he hasn’t earned the right to leave when he damn sight feels like it then that is wrong. Bobby is not perfect, but I look at the big picture and I see a man being bullied by the program and fans after everything he has done for this program and sport. That is wrong and I will not jump on the “Go away Bobby Bowden” bandwagon.
Bobby is self centered
He’s proved that this decade with his comments. I no longer respect the Bowden name.
I've had it with so-called "fans" like you...
…looking collectively at his overall career and contributions to the program during his time here, there is no good seasons, bad seasons or great seasons in FSU football history without Bobby Bowden and if he hasn’t earned the right to leave when he damn sight feels like it then that is wrong.
This is just an asinine statement to make. You need to look back at the history of FSU football. Take the decade of the 60s for instance…
“Bill Peterson took over a football program in deep trouble in 1960. When he left, 11 years and four bowl games later, he had become the most significant coach in the first 25 years of Florida State football. Under "Pete", the Seminoles went 62-42-11. The most memorable Peterson year was 1964, when the "Seven Magnificents" led Florida State to a 9-1-1 record and FSU’s first ever win over Florida.”
FSU was consistently ranked a Top 20 team in the AP Poll during the mid-to-late 60s and the early 70s. FSU beat Oklahoma in the 1965 Gator Bowl thanks to a WR by the name of Fred Biletnikoff, perhaps you’ve heard of him? I seem to remember Oklahoma being a pretty strong program in those days. I graduated from FSU in 1999, but even the most casual FSU fan should know names like Bill Peterson, Ron Sellers, and Fred Biletnikoff, who all preceded Bowden’s time as head coach at FSU. Everything Bowden did at FSU (ranked teams, beat Florida, bowl wins), Coach Pete did it first. Interesting note…Peterson’s final 10 years as head coach, he had a winning % of .621 (ties excluded). Bowden’s last 10 years (including this year), his winning % is .646, with far superior talent, I must say.
There was great FSU football before Bobby Bowden and there will be great FSU football long after he is gone. Bowden’s claim to fame is his 14 straight years in the Top 4, which is incredible and I give him credit for, along with an assist to UF and UM probation during those periods, and the fertile Florida recruiting base. Who is to say some other coach wouldn’t have been able to replicate his success at FSU under the same circumstances? After all, Bowden was a good, but not great coach at WVU. His record there was 42-26, for winning % of .618 (worse than Coach Pete at FSU). Bowden did not make FSU football. Please stop using this as an excuse for holding him unaccountable for the current state of the program.
by Pinto on Nov 29, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Thanks Pinto
I grew up in Tally in the 60’s and I gag every time I hear anyone say that FSU football wouldn’t exist without Bowden. They obviously don’t know about Bill Peterson, who left FSU for a job as an NFL head coach (if that’s not a testimony to his success at FSU, I don’t know what is). And as you say, Bowden was helped immensely by UF’s NCAA troubles and especially by a demographic explosion in Florida.
Noles fans who don’t know about Peterson should at least read the wikipedia page on him. Preferably while eating some Golden Flake potato chips.
He is 80
Not 40
Not 50
Not 60
Not 70
But 80!!!
He has already outlived the average male life expectancy by 5 years!!!
WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
He’s not even a sharp 80. He’s senile.
I’ve had to come to terms with relatives suffering these problems, it’s not easy. But the fact is, he shouldn’t even be living on his own much less working at the top of what is essentially a multimillion dollar corporation.
Exactly
Its not age discrimination WHEN YOUR 80
Your just 80
And I just want him to call it quits before we don’t remember anything good about him because it was SOOO long ago
Its just sad
If I live that long I’m just gonna be writing books or playing with grandchildren
I’ll find something to do to keep my mind busy but if I can’t do my main gig then so be it
hmmmmm
WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
thats what she said.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 29, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
It’s the first game? Ouch.
I was already counting it as a loss since we ALWAYS lose to Oklahoma, so I guess if we can kill 2 birds with one stone (OU game and first game jitters).
wait we play OU 6 days after Samford?
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by tdchrisdavis on Nov 29, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
I got it off WC.
I assumed it was accurate. And Samford is awful. We could practice all week for OU for that game and still win.
Where did you see it?
Seminoles.com only lists opponents, not dates. WC only lists dates for BYU and OU. It was in an individual thread that I found those dates.
fbschedules.com?
I think that’s just the default for the schedule, since most games are on Saturdays.
But I wouldn’t understand us playing Samford on a Sunday…
I may go to the game...
I’ll move heaven and earth to go if Jimbo’s in charge.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Drew Allen, a freshman that is redshirted this year
but the kid they got a comittment from in Witchita, Blake Bell, maybe the best option when he walks on campus. Either are considered to have much better tools than Jones. One thing that Stoops does right is he doesn’t care a lick about starting seniors over freshman just on the “experience factor”. I hate OU. I married an OK State gal. But he does do that well.
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SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Did anyone else see the end of the USC game?
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USC up 21-7, has the ball at midfield, under a minute left
USC takes a knee, UCLA calls timeout. USC then does PA over the top for a TD
then, USC celebrates a little too highly, carroll seems way too happy
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 29, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
UCLA players get mad, move onto the field. Teams shout a bunch, then UCLA goes back to their sideline.
UCLA gets it back and throws downfield a few times, calls timeout after a completion.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 29, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think Pete Carol got pissed because Neuheisel called a time out when they were taking a knee
the game was over. Since he wanted to continue Pete decided to give it to him.
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
Exactly
I see no reason for UCLA to be upset. Calling timeout indicates you aren’t ready for the game to end. So USC kept playing.
Herbstreit on ND & Weis
Anyone catch Herbstreit defending Weis on Gameday?
He said he couldn’t see why ND was outraged. Said notre Dame hasn’t been relevant in a long time — since ’93. He wished the ND fans and admin. would just accept that they are a 6-8 win FB team. Weis si good enough to coach them to 6-8 wins per. So why not just accept what they are and keep Weis b/c he fits the program perfectly.
I was thinking he might have followed up defending BB with the same line of thinking. How awful would that have been? Time to retire Bobby.
Herbstreit is CLUELESS
When is Miles going to Michigan?
Someone needs to give back Rix his Heisman.
He’s been saying all day that Stoops has not been talking to Notre Dame when the CBS studio during our halftime said EVERYBODY had been mentioning it.
I guess he thinks Nebraska should quit caring. I guess he thinks Michigan is stuck? You’d almost have to throw us and Miami into that, too. And Tennessee.
Anyone watching Sportscenter?
They just spotlighted Markus White getting burned on both option TDs.
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He had help from everyone's favorite DB
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Mangum and White both covered the same guy in both instances.
Talk about a lack of preparation.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Our DE scheme was AWFUL
On quite a few of those long sweeps, during the replay, you could clearly see our DEs pinching so far down inside that they ran themselves out of the play, while the RB was running the opposite direction. And our DBs kept letting their blocker get their outside shoulder to create sideline lanes for Demps and Rainey.
Well I think we all new this was going to happen I think BB knew too he just didnt
want to admitt it. Now at least we have a bolw game to look foward too and whos going to be our next DC. Sad thing is it took this long but things will be ok.
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My concern
is that a bowl game will get in the way, or at least delay, the changes that need to be made. That is the main reason why I was OK with not making a bowl. The season was lost anyway…5-7, 6-6 what is the difference? The only thing 6-6 does is allow Bowden to extend his bowl streak and put another feather in his cap. I just want this season to be over with. Next season can’t get here fast enough…
I guess we’ll know a whole lot more after the meeting on Monday or Tuesday, hopefully…
I played the drinking the game (thanks Pinto) and I can honeslty say that that I do not remeber
very much of what happened in the game. All I have is this pounding headache as a reminder.
You're welcome
and trust me, a pounding headache hurts less than the a$$ raping the players took on the field last night (and for the past 6 years for that matter…)
too funny.....
Although way too late it looks like the change we have been asking for is here. It is time to move on and support the new staff that is coming in. Makes me excited that we will have a full staff again. There is going to be a lot to talk about over the next few weeks with new hires/recruitung and such. I am happy about that.
by Florida_State on Nov 29, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
What is with some people's...
obsession with supporting just a man. As a life-long FSU fan, I’ve grown up with Bobby as the HC. But, I am a FSU fan not just a Bobby fan. I support the program and if getting rid of Bobby is best for the program (which it is), I’m all for it.
How many coaches can lose to their arch rivals 5 6 years in a row and keep their job? If Bobby stays, the answer should be 0 but will be 1.
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by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions
I'm with you
I’ve only been alive since 1987. I only know one FSU Head Coach. But I simply don’t give a damn. I mean seriously, why do people want us to act as if the state of the program NOW and in the future doesn’t matter? We will have to move on and there is NO REASON for us to have to start from square one.
Bowden should be gone
I agree 100% about Bobby having to retire for the good of the team, my biggest issue is: IS Jimbo really the answer? Can anybody tell me exactly why he is so coveted? I’ve spoken with many many LSU fans who still have no idea what all the fuss what about. Any and comments are appreciated.
There have been several godo fanposts/article comments about this.
He’s a relatively young coach, he’s an offensive GENIUS, he has head coaching traits out the wazoo (instead of packing it in and riding the run game after we lost Ponder, he game planned as best he could for EJ to give us a chance to win those games. And we did win 2 of them), he exudes leadership, there’s more but I can’t think of them right now.
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by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
that is correct there are many reasons why Jimbo needs to take over now....
Whether he is right for the job or not he is all we have at this point. I personally think hw going to do a very good job and I hope that everyone supports him. He is all we have and he has demonstrated to me that he is a leader and can make a positive change. IE- see our elite offense.
by Florida_State on Nov 29, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Don't ask LSU fans serious questions
They took less brains Miles over Fisher and they are getting about the same records BB is giving FSU and they are paying Lester 4 million a year. LSU has had some extremely lucky comebacks or they would have a losing season. They won last night when Lester decided to actually kick the field goal instead of spike the ball.
This brings up another subject I noticed. Bowden said he kicked the field goal so we would not be shutout. Down 30-0 he kicks a field goal from the two yard line. That is par for the course for him. He was telling the players thanks for busting your buts and getting us to the two yard line but we are not playing to win any longer we are protecting my image.
I had rather gone for the touchdown and not made it than watch a program resigned to losing.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Even if Jimbo wasn't the headcoach in waiting
What this guy has done with the players he has and him going out and using his offensive guys to recruit both sides of the ball and get some top guys shows me that he has what it takes and should get a Headcoaching job @ a place like FSU, Notre Dame, Clemson, Oklahoma St, etc…aka a rising power or a once has been
I'll try to include the important points
He has taken JB’s pitiful offense to an elite, top 5 unit in just a few years. He has taken Christian Ponder, a kid Bowden called a “program guy,” and made him arguably the best QB in the country. He has modernized our practices from the jokes they were before he arrived. He is one of the best recruiters in the southeast. He’s a Saban kind of guy—accountability and structure to his organization. The amazing part is, he’s done all of this despite the presence and actions of Bowden, Amato, Allen, and the rest of the incompetents. There are people within our own program trying to subvert him, and he has still managed unbelievable success.
All of that being said, we don’t know what kind of head coach he will be. But all indications are that he will be a good one. Listen to his press conferences—he’s a smart guy that just gets it.
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LSU Fans
They could quite possibly have no idea what they had in Fisher because they had Saban. Fisher has basically created our offensive staff, and they are top flight. He then has been instrumental in the development of our QB and WRs as well as our general offensive professionalism and attention to detail. He also has an eye for talent as he has been stocking players who fit the system but aren’t always 5* kids. That all points to being a quality head coach. And with the places we can recruit if the rest of Fisher’s guys are like Coley, Dawsey and Trickett the sky is the limit.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa poll
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/extras/default.aspx
You can vote as much as you want….A anne bowdenis loading the results
I'll go with around 10th.....
…in the Sun Belt
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 29, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Only 9 teams in the Sun Belt
We are 10 yards/game better than FAU, but WKU and FIU give up almost 500 yards/game. I’m using yards/game, not yards/play, from the NCAA website.
So we’d be 7th in the Sun Belt. BUT OUT OF ALL BCS TEAMS, WE ARE NEXT TO LAST.
Gerald Demps
Has switched his commit to the Seminoles per the Sentinel.
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Make that Greg Dent
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These might be dumb questions, but.....
Was the Monday meeting scheduled before or after yesterday’s slaughter? And does the existence of a one-year “option” on Grampa’s contract requrire FSU to give him another year? Thanks
Old School Nole
The meeting was scheduled before the game.
There is no one year option in contract form. FSU will offer him his FINAL year with the stipulation that he relinquish all control to Fisher and keeps any negative comments from himself, his wife or his kids out of the press. He will be given a healthy retirement package if he were to leave after this season, and a lesser one if he opts to come back for his final year.
I expect him to come back because I truly believe he’s become that selfish/greedy.
It’s particularly frustrating that they would offer him the enhanced package immediately, which demonstrates that they realize we need him out NOW, but don’t have the balls to insist he leave.
Plain and simple, if that is how it goes down then the priorities are 1. Bobby Bowden and 2. Florida State.
I'd be ok with Bobby coming back in 2010
if it is written into a contract stipulating it’s his final season, period, and this is just a farewell tour and all his head coaching authority, power and duties are given to Fisher and that he and his family can’t bitch to the media.
We did basically tell Bobby he could coach until 2010 to begin with. Fisher’s buyout clause set that in motion years ago. And I think the PR of a farewell tour would be good for FSU (honestly), and I think it’d be good for college football. I think it’d be sad to force the guy out and then never see him in Tallahassee at games or across the state now and then at Seminole Clubs talking.
Yes, let's handicap ourselves for yet another season
By having a figurehead HC that is worthless in recruiting and makes our other coaches pull double duty.
It’s not the best choice for FSU.
>>---l>
You don't have to agree with me.
I don’t think either of us have any say in the matter.
But what I’m saying may very well happen.
I think there is a chance that could work out ok, but I also think Bowden’s family will be going through the same routine this time next year.
It won’t matter to them that he agreed this would be his final season, they’ll be demanding Jimbo be paid off and Bobby get yet another season.
Best case scenario, we deal with yet another ugly ordeal in the press. Worst case scenario Bowden somehow convinced a few boosters his way is best and Jimbo is unsettled enough to take another job.
That doesn't make sense.
If Bobby signs the contract, his family can’t say anything. The entire season will be billed as his farewell tour.
If he were to declare he wants to return at the end of his tour, everyone would just think he’s crazy. The media wouldn’t gush over him like they did Tebow, sadly, but they would likely make our home game against UF the College Gameday site. So by everybody thinking he’s crazy, I mean FSU fans, CFB fans, AND the media; everybody.
He would get egg on his face in front of everybody.
I bet he'll
ask for some of JF’s $5M that won’t have to be paid if he retires. I can see the conversation going like “well TK you can either pay Jimbo $5M or pay me only $4M. I’m saving you a million bucks!”
reasons for Bobby to stay
Feel free to add your own…
1. Makes us all feel good about how we are at our jobs.
2. Keeping the word “dadgummit” alive
3. Makes us feel like genius’ when we know players names that he doesn’t know
4. Quotes from Ann Bowden!
A farewell tour for Bowden would be good for college football.
We told him he had 3 years when we made the head coach in waiting contract.
Maybe it’d keep Bobby around the program post-retirement as opposed to being pissed off and never showing his face.
By no means do I think Bobby should be allowed to coach as long as he wants though.
We tell him has one year. Every year
2011 is a deadline, not a set exit date. It doesn’t say that we have to let Bobby stay until 2011, it says Jimbo Fisher better the head coach by then.
You guys aren't getting it.
If TK verbally agreed to let Bobby stay until 2011, he will likely uphold his end. I know the 2011 was a “no later than date” as opposed to an “up until date”, but that’s how you guys WANT it to read. I don’t think that’s how it was billed to Bobby 2 years ago.
TK won't be the acting President very shortly
It doesn’t make sense for him to make the decision for what happens at FSU in the next year. The 2011 Clause is a part of JIMBO’s contract is it not? Meaning that its independent of the 1 year contract that is given to Bowden each year?
Bobby was told by TK he could get one year contracts until Fisher’s clause kicked in. I would bet on it.
Jim Smith said he wanted this taken care of BEFORE a new president came in so that the new president didn’t have to worry about it.
Jim Smith ain't calling the shots.
It’s not his job. TK and the AD are the guys. While the Trustees want a resolution, they aren’t in agreement of kicking Bobby to the curb pronto.
Let's put this delicately
TK is in line to receive a nice goodbye package from a certain group of people upon his departure. Who is in charge of this group? Does this group have incentive to have the situation resolved so that a Presidential search goes more smoothly?
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I'm saying think about it logically
If you think the BOT’s voices will not be heard here, you are incorrect
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Obviously their voices will be heard, but their voices are not shouting in synchronization, “TELL BOBBY TO LEAVE NOW!”
If Bobby said he’d relinquish total control of the program to stay JUST one more year, I think almost all of the Trustees would let him.
sad to say, but that is very likely true.
although, speaking as someone who works in a management position, meetings like the one about to go down are inherently unpredictable. who knows what will happen if bowden finds the conditions under which the school says he will have to work next year as unacceptable.
In fact, thats what I would do if I were the school: offer him conditions he would never accept.
They would be an idiotic statement for TK to make
As much as I dislike TK I dont think he’d make that dumb of a decision. The smart thing to do in that case would be to go ahead and offer Bowden the full 4 year contract so that he’d stay until 2011. The fact that he DIDN’T do that leads me to believe that FSU and Bowden both needed to do one year at a time so that there was an out for either party. A One year contract guaranteed every year until 2011 makes no sense. A One year contract guaranteed until the following year is what is in place. That year is about to be up.
I disagree
I think TK left it open ended so in the position we did win the ACC and/or make a BCS bowl, or, however unlikely, win the NC, Bobby could leave prior to the termination date. Yes, there could’ve been a clause in there in case that happened but i still think that’s what likely occured.
Bottom line, I think that if the agreement were for Bobby to stay until 2011
the contract would have been until 2011 from the jump.
I disagree
I think he gets one year deals so the school has an out whenever it is needed. A coach can always retire without facing a penalty, but if you don’t fire a coach with cause you still have to pay. The one year contract gives FSU an out if things every got that bad.
The HCIW deal was done without Bowden’s say because FSU didn’t want to lose Fisher. Bowden’s choice for the next HC has been either Mickey, Amato or one of his kids depending on who is doing the talking. Fisher was never in the running for Bowden.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
As UP, TK also said he would do...
what is best for the University. He has broken that promise.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
TK has far greater responsibilities than football.
And he sucks worse at those than at his football ones.
My point exactly
He has other issues to deal with and it seems he has been skimping on those as he focuses on exalting Bobby.
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"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
No, not yet.
I just saw the 3 currently working for the university.
Why?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering what you thought, if you were following it.
It’d be neat to see an article on here about the applicants, but with all that’s going on I doubt it, or that it’s even deemed important enough.
It's definitely important enough.
It also seem it would be tough to find any info on some of the applicants (ie. Carol Bennett a teacher from Cass Middle School in Cartersville, GA).
I’m not the guy to do it, but I’m pretty sure someone here could.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 29, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
She applied for Superintendent of Nashville City Schools
Last year at this time. Now she’s applying for FSU President.
Here’s her application. I found this a week or so ago.
Application
I know the Dean of the law school, Don Weidner, is one of the candidates. He is an excellent fundraiser and he got his law degree from Texas, so he is not an FSU lifer like TK (and I think we could use a bit of an outsiders view on things).
I am a bit biased, but I think he’s done good things with the law school. He set a goal of making FSU Law one of the best public law schools and while we have a ways to go yet things have been improving each year.
FSU has had a greater percentage of graduates pass the bar than UF almost every year recently, so he’s got some experience beating the Gators too. LOL
I don't want him.
He’s not a “lifer” but he’s been at FSU for like 30 years. That’s as close as you can get. I agree he’s done good things the past decade, but I want someone with an ENTIRELY fresh perspective and wouldn’t mind keeping him as Law Dean.
Why not just sign him to a 3-year contract then?
We obviously wanted some sort of flexibility to be able to get rid of him before that time…
5. Reminding us that Ann has more balls than TK and our AD
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
5.
5. frees up our Saturdays since we already know we’ll probably lose anyway.
Nice.
Fingers crossed that the update is Amato and Jody Allen got left at a rest stop in Lake City.
by 38Noles on Nov 29, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He would get paid to be "ambassador"?
Wouldn’t Jeffy be cheaper, if we need an ambassaor?
Chief Osceola
Stipulations
All lack of proceeds resulting from an 83,000 capacity stadium that are not filled during home games will be deducted from his salary.
Nobody wants him around for functions as the moron has already said he wants to attend some UF, FSU games as a neutral fan, indicating they have better fans than FSU. They don’t have better fans they have better coaches, administrators and recruit better players. Don’t forget they even had a fire Herban Meyer movement going a couple of years ago.
He can’t get it through his head that political capital doesn’t work anymore when you have no idea what is going on with the football program. I want this man gone and never around another FSU function. He and his loud mouthed wife should do like she says shake the mud off their shoes and head for Europe. Every time they open their mouth they lose more respect from everyone involved.
If Wetherell had a grip on things which he doesn’t he would sit Bobby down and say something along the lines of ole buddy you know I love you, we have really rode this thing as far as we can. I love you so much I am doing this for you, you have to go now before it tarnishes your legacy, people are beginning to talk, I have a legacy also. Jim over at the boosters has already said enough is enough. We need these people whether you understand this or not. It takes money to run a football program.
Bobby it would have been better if Ann had not talked about the land investments because now everybody knows you have lost a fortune and are trying to make up for it. You should have told her to keep this one under the hat.
So Bobby I am doing this because I love you, you have to go now before they tear down the bronze statute in front of the stadium.
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The backlash wouldn't last long if we took him
It would be forgotten pretty quickly with all our coaching issues etc. It’ll get lost in the shuffle . He wouldn’t see the field for a year and a half . Only then would it come up and hopefully it will be a feel good story b y then . If he f’s up he won’t be here.
The story
He and a couple of football players at tenn walked up to a car with hood masks on and a pellet gun and demanded money. The people in the car said they didn’t have any and so they took off. There was a bag of smokes in the car the girl said belonged to her.
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This happened at a gas station that belongs to a major UT booster
Jim Haslam donated $32.5 mil, the largest individual gift to UT ever.
Bobby wouldn't have Randy Moss after
he got busted for blowing dope. We coulda’ used ole Randy. Recently a video was posted on the Knoxville paper site of an interview with Nukeese. He seemed ok. Did a back flip for the camera. Clearly an extraordinarily talented dude. I expect that he will go to Bowden U up there in Alabama to be with Tommy and Jeffy. Heard that Bobby and Anny will go up there to help out after Bobby gets run out of Tallahassee
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Post Turkey Carnage Deuce
I wasn’t able to watch much of the game for a few reasons…I couldn’t take the pain. I had a two-day post Thanksgiving blockage that I needed to deposit.
Speaking of which, any new update on The Bobster’s departure?
by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Nov 30, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions
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