The decision to be head coach next year is no longer in Bowden's hands. His "soul searching" line may have some truth to it, but he won't be deciding whether to come back next year as the head coach. The wheels were set in motion after the USF loss and they really started to burn after the Boston College loss and the circus-like atmosphere on the sideline.
I heard that he came into the post-game press conference and had obviously been crying. He then asked the reporters not to ask him any questions about his future. I am told that request was highly unusual.
I had been told that an announcement would come on December 4th regarding Bowden's future. That's the day before the SEC Championship game. But now I would not be surprised if there was a press conference early this week with Bowden, Wetherell (FSU President), AD Spetman, and Jimbo Fisher (the head coach in waiting).
If Bowden is at Florida State next year, it will not be as head coach. He is going out on his terms- the terms he dictated to the university over the last decade. Remember that Bowden is due $1M when he retires, per a clause in his contract. I believe Florida State will offer him additional funds to act as a program representative, most likely accompanying Fisher on a final booster tour. Some believe that Bowden still has the capability to make Florida State a lot of money. My guess is that Bowden will receive somewhere in the neighborhood of $3.5Million, a number including the $1Million that he is currently guaranteed per contract. Of course, one reason to pay Bowden is so that he will keep his mouth shut and not make disparaging comments about Florida State.
I think you could compare this role to that of Wooden at UCLA. I am not sure if Bowden will roam the sidelines next year, even in a ceremonial capacity, but I am told that Bowden will not be making any football decisions for Florida State in 2010. And as reported here from day one, Bowden will have zero input on the defensive coordinator hire.
This agreement allows Bowden to save face. It won't appear that he was fired, but that he made the decision to step down. It also allows him to provide for his family, which really needs the money. This would also allow him to continue "working", and everyone familiar with the situation knows that Bowden is a firm believer that he will die upon retiring. Finally, this would allow Bowden to act as if he really cares about Florida State. That is, if he is smart enough to take the money...
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I hope to see Bowden stick around the university somehow
As much as he annoys me now I’d hate to see it end ugly.
He better do the right thing
Will we be able to have a full staff of coaches? That’s my concern. I don’t wanna be handicapped any longer. It isn’t fair to our fans, the remaining coaches and it DAMN SURE ISN’T FAIR TO THE PLAYERS. I know I say this all the time, but seriously these kids have one shot at college. One shot to make their case for playing football for a living and I want their experience to be maximized. I think in the midst of all this administrative, coaches and fan talk the players tend to get lost in the mix. A fully competent staff will put numbers in the W column and thus provide more attention to the players that get it done on the field.
FSU used to deliver punches to opposing college programs...
now we are just punchline media fodder for the likes of ESPN.
In light of this
Rodney Hudson just won the Jacobs blocking trophy for the best blocker in the ACC. Great job Rodney!
by Okinole on Nov 29, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The man thought he had an unlimited supply of
political poker chips. Maybe he realized during the season that he was taking some bad breaks at the table, it probably was not until last night that he looked down and realized he was something he thought not possible: the short stack, no longer in control of his future. It is unfortunate that he had to find this out in the context he did, but there were a lot of people who foresaw this and wanted him to avoid what seems like is about to happen.
You know what they say, ‘You gotta know when to fold them,’ and he did not. How much better it is to get up from the table ahead, with your dignity intact.
From my reading of the article, then, it appears there is no way he is getting credit
for any more victories, is he?
Its just so freakin sad.
He should have left after the 99 Championship. This shit makes me want to puke. Tommy saw the writing on the wall and did the right thing. Terry knew what was coming and had to do the right thing. I just hope he does the right thing and accepts what they give him. One more game and this abortion will be over.
While I agree that would have been a good time to hang it up
Honestly this fall from football heaven never really had to take place IMO. Had Bowden taken time to make the right hire following the departure of Richt we could have witnessed a dynasty lasting even longer than it did. Bowden was winning the race with Paterno pretty handily but his own nepotism was his downfall.
He never executed a search for someone that was young, talented and qualified. He was dead set on Jeff from the jump. He fired and dismissed people from our program that were very very good at what they did, and when they left we noticed the difference. It truly is sad.
Once I realized that I stopped feeling sorry for him
Good football coach, terrible GM and no one told him to stop being highly involved in game planning, he marginalized himself.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 29, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Tommy
was told to win the ACC or he would be fired, when that became impossible he negotiated a buyout.
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I think it is all about finances
FSU stands to make the most money by having a “Farewell Tour” for his games next year. Something tells me that he’ll be a powerless “head coach” next year, but that Jimbo will have all the powers.
I am also very, very afraid that Bowden returns next year but I don’t think the impetus for that will be a farewell tour.
The fans proved this year that they are no longer interested in attending games “coached” by Bowden.
They would show up to say good bye and thank you for years past.
The two situations aren’t comparable.
Mickey announced his retirement 2/3 the way through a shitty season. If Bobby announced his retirement at the end of next season now, there would be some fanfare. We won’t sell out a single game next season other than the UF game, if UF helps us do that. So it’s not like bringing him back will hurt attendance.
by tricknole on Nov 29, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Does he currently do anything to help our football program succeed?
2. If no, (and the answer is no) do we owe him more than we’ve already given him?
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1. The answer is yes. There’s no way he doesn’t have a single positive impact on the program. If you were asking does he have an overall positive or overall negative impact you should’ve said so. Even then, it depends if you’re talking about this season, or next season. Next season, if he has no duties other than being called “head coach”, he’d probably have about a net impact of zero.
2. Would this team be better off with Bobby retired? In the long run, yes. But one season, to send a legend out the right way, would it hurt the program? No.
Did we not go over this last night on the other article?
What positive impact does he have then?
He doesn’t add anything to the gameplanning, doesn’t recruit and brought in horrible defensive coaches. What else is left for him:? Monetary contributions from boosters and ticket sales are down too so he isn’t bring in money for the team either.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Can you name a single positive impact that he has?
And please don’t say recruiting…the recruits care nothing about this man. He is completely irrelevant to them. I vehemently disagree that it wouldn’t hurt the program to have him around for yet another season.
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You're talking in absolutes agin
Playing for a legend IS a draw. It’s certainly not close to the draw it was 10 years ago.
What do you expect me to say? I don’t want Bobby around forever. I would be fine with a farewell tour. Most of you would not. That’s about the only difference between us.
Actually
I think I’d prefer a farewell tour, assuming Bobby agreed to relinquish full control. I know we’d still be down a coach and I know that’d leave no real purpose for Bobby to stick around if he won’t be doing anything, I just think it’d be a positive thing all the way around.
There’s no need (for you or anyone else) to tell me why I’m wrong, because it’s only my and your opinions. But that’s my stance. If Bobby were to decide to step down in a month I’d hope he’d still choose to be a part of the program in some manner and I’d hope the fans would welcome him in that role.
by tricknole on Nov 29, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No you're wrong.
Bobby Bowden needs to be in one of those Star Wars boxes that beeps and boops while he tries to communicate.
Beep twice for “dadgummit”
you are right, playing for a legend is a draw.
unfortunately, the “legend” at this time resides in Gainesville, goes by the name of Meyer.
we dont have a legend. we have an old guy no 18-year old blue chipper cares about.
in the end, it just amounts to more enabling. its time to treat bobby like...
egads…an adult. this program needs to move forward, and we cant do that with bowden hanging around in ANY capacity. life aint perfect, things dont always work out EXACTLY like you, me or any other noles fan wants.
cut the cord. its over. he doesnt need any farewell tour.
The fans have already made their case
FSU is losing attendance fast. Nobody wants to see Bobby on the sidelines nor hear the incessant babbling of his big mouthed wife. Bobby has already talked about how great the UF fans are, how he may go watch UF games as a neutral fan, neutral fan? Yeah he would be a great ambassador for FSU. He is a petulant old man and needs to spend some time at Panama Beach. I hate to see him paid one more dime, the money is needed to retain real coaches and bring this program back from the wreck he turned it into.
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he's really out of his mind
Gator fans are a close second to Oklahoma fans as the worst in college sports.
How can anyone even spend 30+ years on the FSU payroll and be a “neutral fan” at Florida Field?
by 38Noles on Nov 29, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had heard this
about 4 weeks ago, but didn’t want to put more rumor mill crap out there that I couldn’t substantiate without the “hearing from a friend of a friend type” deal. I had heard $3 million, but what’s another half million. I still can’t confirm this rumor, but I am obviously not the first to hear of it. No matter how it ends, it’s a sad ending to a great man’s career.
"I would like to come back"
According to Andrew’s blog he just returned from Bobby’s teleconference where he (Bobby) announced “I would like to come back”. He also squashed the idea of coming back as a sort of ‘figure head’ and stated he would only come back as the ‘head coach’.
He (Bobby) stated he would meet with T.K. (no mention of our so called AD) and that it will all be finalized by weeks end.
Please just retire to save whatever is left of your precious legacy.
by Seminole Fan on Nov 29, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's not his call
he could say he wants to walk on the moon and it would hold equal weight.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I recognize this.
I’m honestly not concerned with what he wants, but the fact that he would publicly dispute the idea of coming back in any other capacity other than Head Coach tells me he doesn’t get it and he’s ignoring the fact that he’s ineffective at his job.
untrue
gravity is less on the moon so it would be less weight
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 29, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
omg
you fellas need to stop using the skull of Schrodinger’s cat as a bong
by NorthernHaze on Nov 30, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Bowden said in his teleconference today he wants to be back next year, as head coach, not as an ambassador.
Via Chopping Block
365 days, until I change my ways.
Yeah he kinda threw down the gauntlet with that
I think there’s a good chance he doesn’t sign off on this deal
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yep...
sounds like he might not want to go quietly or either he just had an episode of dementia today.
We will all find out soon enough who is swinging the biggest stick in this whole fiacso.
by Florida_State on Nov 29, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Great News
I completely disagree with the people who think a farewell tour will bring in the sales. Only thing that will do that is winning and Bobby is in the way of that. I am glad the PTB is ready to move on, because I doubt Bobby has seen the light. They need to give him a deadline to take the easy way and if he refuses give him the boot. The program is bigger than any one man.
I agree
Not sure how they can justify additional revenue for a farewell tour. Money comes with wins and at this point wins don’t come with Bobby
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Who spends money?
Die hards spend money, you get more die hards when you are relevant and truly after a championship. The thought of another year of waiting is sickening to me. I mean what are you gonna buy a t-shirt? If they wanted people to buy a bunch of memorabilia they should have thought about that before and sent him out when he was still thought of as the best.
Also, he’s said how he doesn’t want there to be an actual date, maybe the money will change that.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 29, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
The best way to restore the image
is BB disassociated from the entire program and put this behind. The face of recruiting starting now needs to be Jimbo Fisher.
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I WANT A NEW START!
I’m sick of the rumors, I want the press conference to be set. It is time to allow Jimbo to right this ship!
Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
$ 1 million, $ million, or $3.5 million dudn't matter
What else you gonna spend the money on?
Chief Osceola
Who is advising Bowden? Ann? If he says in the Presser he wants to come back as HC ONLY,
no figurehead, no ambassador then someone is advising him to go to the mattresses at this late date. He totally is ignoring Spetman’s role in all this and is making it clear it is all on TK. IS he publicly challenging TK to give him the axe?
Now we have players basically giving him a vote of no confidence, he admits that other coaches look at him like he cant do his job, and yet he selfishly still wants to return. IS HE FRICKIN CRAZY?
No, he is an egomaniac....
and he thinks he owns FSU.
When talking about how great a job Meyer is doing at UF, Bowden said something along the lines of
“he looks at me and sees I’m not doing that good of a job”
by basbalstr101 on Nov 30, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
What if?
What if he has known all along that he isn’t coming back? He’s always said that he doesn’t want a going away party. Saying that he’s done now will create the biggest media circus FSU has ever seen. For the next 4 weeks until the bowl game that’s all ESPN will be talking about.
Pregame speech before the bowl he tells his players, we come out and destroy our opponent, bobby’s gone, recruits flock to Jimbo and the new DC, and in a few years this is all behind us.
Wishful thinking?
Wishful thinking
FSU fans really overestimate how the rest of the country feels about Bowden. First off all the guy is second on the all times win list. How many people, other than fans, remember a person for finishing second? Secondly, any national goodwill he had was put on the back burner by the years of losing. That shrunk the Bowden fans down to the guys who feel he should coach FSU till he dies. Toss that in with the SEC title game that is about to change the universe as we know it (/sarcasm) and a BCS title game that will either put the medias fav 2 QBs against each other or in a worse case scenario let a non BCS school play for the title for the first time ever and Bowden retiring would get a 24-48 hr run on the news cycle. Nothing on a 6-6 team could be more important that the storylines already set in motion.
by osceolafan850 on Nov 29, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Renember ....
If this is a money grab, Bowden has nothing to gain by “dong the right thing” before he sits down for the final negotiation.
Sadly, the only leverage he has left is to hold the program hostage.
You hit it right on the head
This is a how much dadgum money you gonna pay me to go away and make Ann shutup.
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in a cynical type of way i hope he doesn't take the money
so someone at FSU get to show some balls and fire him. Yes, i’m still irked by Ann’s comments.
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
What about...
Coming back as a recruiting closer, in this aspect he would be able t do what he once did better than anyone, bring kids to FSU, and possibly help erase the mess he created.
Why would he want to spend any more time with the "kids" than he does now?
Hell, he doesnt even want to spend time with his own grand kids. He just want to be Lord and Master of all he surveys and have his lapdog golf buddies from Birmingham hang out and kiss his rings.
Not allowed
And recruits don’t care about him. He couldn’t be less relevant in recruiting. He routinely skips in-home visits to take paid speaking engagements.
He cannot recruit. He spits on people when he talks and he smells like an old person (literally). Kids don’t remember him as anything but an old man.
Plus, that’s not permitted via NCAA rule.
Spitting on people?
Cheese and Fries I wish this was more documented so people can realize how much his presence continues to hurt us.
by Legal_Seminole on Nov 29, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
He cannot recruit. He spits on people when he talks and he smells like an old person (literally).
Hahahahhaahhahaah
Dont laugh, we need him for one more year.
Rumor has it that Lemarcus Joyner is a huge fan of stale coffee and used Band-Aids.
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2009 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mascot
I wonder if he’d be up for serving as a second mascot? Just have him wonder from endzone to endzone. Could teach him to lead the alumni side in the old FSU cheers. At halftime he could sale grills, help the boosters out.
"Ann, help me stand up and holler." Nice one gator. Nothing personal but Roll Tide Roll.
I’m sure you did not expect support from us?
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Understandable
If the tables were turned I’d do the same.
Actually, rooting for Va Tech against FSU was especially painful, both in the 99 NC and 05 ACC CG.
"GRADULATIONS ON YOUR WIN OVER FSU GATA. HERVIN MAYER HAD THE GATA'S READY TO PLAY."
By Rep Corrine Brown.
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Corrine Brown
a disgrace to my race. That grammar is downright painful to listen to
She is a disgrace to mankind
The fact that she represents anyone is pitiful
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Oh ok
Rooting for VT was painful becuase they lost both games to FSU. The 99 NCG was a close one, and (I think) they were favored to beat FSU in the 05 ACG.
The one that really sucked for us was 98 UT vs FSU.
You are not a nole fan
I know you run this site and I couldn’t care less if you ban me from this anti-fsu cesspool. But these comments, even by you are insulting to the program and the school. Have you met the man? Have you ever spoken to him one on one or even in a group? You claim to support the school but not Bowden and that is fine, But what you constantly do is pump up the Gators and how Myer is a "class act" and put down the FSU coaching staff. I don’t expect you to be a homer and tuck you head in the sand and sell a positive angle on FSU football. But you are way over the top with these comments. Who tells you this stuff or is it made up to push your agenda? Do you really think rival coaches, fans, and even current players read this stuff? You are hurting the program more than you think, I have spoken to one recruit who has made comments about this site in particular as a reason he is leery of the noles. His comments: "wow those fans really don’t support this team" If you honestly had a clue, you would know that several of your repeated comments about Bowden “needing money” recruits not liking him, big time money boosters pulling the plug on contributions until he is gone are so off base, it just shows that you are a guy who has the power of the internet behind him, but zero, I mean zero connection to the program. I can assure you of that. Post away with your rumors, but I hope people can see you for what you are. As for the rest of you sheep, please don’t reference FSU’s past success when they return to a competitive team again, because it is part of Bowden, the man you guys like to put down.
by NoleAmerica on Nov 30, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Wow you're so right
This site is so unreliable. We’ve been wrong about everything. You’re a genius.
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Turning a blind eye is what those "other" sites do.
Sorry if the truth hurts
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Stupid post again. Where do you people come from?
Hurting the program comes from idiots like you that think lying about the state of FSU football on the internet and living in a dream world will make the team any better on Saturdays! Nobody on this site has ever called Urban Meyer anything resembling a class act, especially not an author or regular poster. Boosters no longer spending money on tickets is a FACT jackass. Attendance being the lowest since 12 years ago is a FACT.
Since FSUn is busy, and I am currently not, I will do my best to answer your inquiries
Yes, he has stated on several occasions that he has met and spoken to Bowden more than once. FSUn has never called Meyer a class act to my knowledge, but he is one heck of a football coach. We do envy their structure and program, and hope to have something comparable at FSU in the near future. Tomahawk Nation doesn’t sugarcoat anything. The writers here are going to tell the truth whether you, the rival fans, recruits, whoever, like it or not. FSUn and others are very well connected to the program, and TN is the most accurate and objective FSU site you will find. That’s a promise. It takes a whole lot to be banned here, so I doubt you’ll be banned unless you’re blatantly trying to be. Feel free to objectively evaluate the program you’re passionate about—the analysis will be here; all you need to do is seek it.
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I think I can speak for almost all of the staff on this site.
If we were playing for the conference championship, with the winner going on to the NC game, we would be all thrilled to death. FSUn could then be dissecting our opponent with the same thought and care that he puts into every preview, and not worrying about what Bobby or Ann will be crapping out of their mouths next, or when this circus will shut down and leave town.
anti-fsu cesspool
You my friend are clueless and I (we) have more love for FSU than you will ever experience in your lifetime.
Since we won’t ban you unless you break the rules, and since you think so little of this site, do us all a favor and ban yourself and be gone.
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WRONG
He is not a Bobby Bowden fan. There is a difference. Which you Bowdenites don’t seem to be able to delineate.
Is there a “dislike” button? What is the oppossite of “Rec” for a post?
Get with the times Pinto
There is a new term in town, “Bowdenistas”
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
"Bowdenites" seems fitting b/c it sounds Biblical...
…and some of the Bowdenites, including Bowden, were alive during Biblical times. In fact, the 11th commandment was going to be “Thou shalt not be fired for underperformance” but unfortunately for Bobby, God ran out of room on the stone tablets…
Yeah but the Bowdenista's sounds like a subversive Communist faction hell bent on taking over and forcing their will on the masses while living out their lives in autonomous control and above and beyond the means of the common man.
Either way you really make your point.
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Who said Meyer was a "class act"
Meyer coaches, Bobby doesn’t. I no longer support mediocrity. I also don’t support the Bowdens after their self-centered comments. We want what’s best for FSU, support the players and the coaches that are competent and actually bust their asses. Bowden is no longer what’s best for FSU.
This is the reference
“If not for the class of Florida coach Urban Meyer, who took a knee at about midfield in the 2nd quarter with roughly a minute and 3 timeouts left, this game could have been much worse.”
So you're saying a Bowden supporter came to TN, took a quote out of context, changed the wording of a key phrase, and ran with it.
Sounds about right.
Yeah, that sums it up.
Isn’t that what the Bowden PR firm is for?
Even they announcers said before the half, "let's see if Meyer step's on their throats" or something to that effect.
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I think Jimbo is LSU's next head coach...
I think FSU caves in and Jimbo leaves FSU in the dust.
He is smart to do it. FSU is run by complete and total morons.
there's some talk of him being on the hot seat
by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Miles def is on the hot seat
The university can’t make the move because of money issues but the boosters are attempting to get some money together and get Crowton out, and possibly Miles.
by lildrunknole on Nov 29, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher
Can make another coaching run just like the 90’s at FSU. It is a recruiting goldmine and he knows it. It is a moot issue. Fisher will be the coach next year at FSU. They are going to need to pay him however. Miles makes four million a year at LSU for losing his azz about as bad as BB.
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There'll never be another '90s FSU
but yes, Jimbo can get us back to competing for NCs again
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Minus a Smart or Bud Foster type hire...
I am all for Sunseri.
sunseri
i’m a bit wary that sunseri has never been a full DC in D-1 and probably doesn’t have much say in the Alabma defense (it’s his first year, and he’s at least 3rd in command on the AL defense behind Saban and Smart).
but i do like his NFL experience.
imo, the biggest key to defense next year is getting charles deas into school. he could be like n. suh at nebraska.
I know its offhand...
I know its offhand but anyone hear about Jones & Craig coming to FSU as “minority” coaches?
Help me out with Jones
I’ve read someone who claims to be connected say that Craig will be on the staff next year.
Lets Keep in mind...
Let’s keep in mind of coaches (cough, recruiters) with direct/indirect ties to Fisher who’s seasons are over at the DIA & DIAA level … Marshall (ppl on staff w/ Jimbo ties), Larry Porter to Memphis (who may shuffle LSUs staff by taking ppl) … there are several assistants who are potential position coaches who becoming “available” to recruit for FSU w/ verbal deals in place.
My husband had a verbal deal in place before he formally took the last two college coaching jobs we’ve had… Should get VERY interesting at FSU
Nomination for line of the year...
“He spits on people when he talks and he smells like an old person (literally). "
YarboroughforHeisman had some great ones, too. I
Legal,
I’m pretty sure he is referring to Sunseri. It has been posted many times on this site that Smart is no longer a candidate, leaving Sunseri as the remaining option.
Double negative?
just to be clear did you mean that:
Smart is no longer a candidate?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Wouldn't it have been easier to just say that?
:)
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
I don't think he didn't mean it the way you didn't think he meant it.
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Wow!!! Huge on the Smart thing!!!
Not by anything I’ve heard, just by what I read here, I thought he was off the table. If not, great news!!!
Big IF
They could actually pay enough to bring in Smart if Bobby “Capone” Bowden wasn’t trying to hold them up.
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Point of clarification...Was Bowden crying after the Florida game or the BC game?
I assumed you meant the Florida game? He should have been crying after both….I know I was.
It looks more like
Hey Herban you and that boy Jim Tebum really whooped us again, dadgummit you are turning me into a prophet as 50% of the teams lose every satruday. Well gotta go some of the Birmingham boys want to play some golf in the morning and discuss my strategy for a buyout.
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It's really sad when Urb gives him the "you used to be really good" look
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Bobby will have it in a display case tomorrow
Along with the Diet Pepsi can he had to drink at the PC following the arse whoopin.
If Bowden wants to dig in his heels
his next move could be an extended hospitalization. I’m serious.
get rid of him friday. everyone will be talking about florida-alabama
you could hold a press conference and no one would show up.
Bowden had to do some soul searching, correct?
Doesn’t that take more than 24 hours? That trip to Europe would have been good for some soul searching, if he has one left.
I guess that depends on the content of your soul. When you are an aging egomaniac, its a
quick search.
“Let’s see…what causes ME the least amount of pain? Okay, I’ll do that, and everyone else will just have to live with it.”
Bowden's soul wants money and power...
so it didn’t take him long to figure it all out.
Jags got their ass kicked, Noles got their ass kicked
I demand blood and I want Bowden’s
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 29, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions
FSU MEN'S BASKETBALL TO THE RESCUE!!!
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Todd McShay just said on ESPN what many of us believe
If we allow Bowden to come back next season we’re just treading water, but if we allow Fisher to make the hire and we recruit to our level we could be competing for a national Championship in 2011.
We'd be treading water below the surface of the water.
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2009 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bowden for 1 more year.
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 29, 2009 9:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I didn't know the clown college was still open at FSU
by Legal_Seminole on Nov 29, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, I think this clown is NextLevel. If not, it is a relative...
If you go to FSUn’s review of the UF game, this clown gets hung up on many trying to explain that Meyer held back on FSU for his own reasons, not because he is a good-hearted guy. He didn’t understand the original point, nor did he understand the follow-up, tried to reply like a cyber-tough-guy and had absolutely no comprehension of the issue at hand – just like NextLevel.
He is not nextlevel from Chicago. Let's not jump to the conclusion that everyone who disagree's with the general consensus is nextlevel/thechi or a troll even. Nextlevel's problem was his coke bottom size garnet and gold glasses and his arrogance.
Vic signed up in NC, but now his IP address is coming from Canada. Could be wi-fi, but I doubt it. I don’t know what to make of Vic(?), but if he is from the Great White North that may explain his reasoning, with all due respect of course Vic(?).
What is perfectly clear is that
I am a fan of BOBBY BOWDEN!!!!! yes i said BOBBY BOWDEN!!!!!!
and he is not a alumni, which may further explain his reasoning, again with all due respect Vic(?).
Some advice Vic(?), if you want to defend Bobby, cool, but you better bring your A game and be ready for opposing POV’s.
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BB
needs all the agents and propaganda he can get right now. His stock is pretty low. As soon as he bleeds FSU for another 3 million they will all go away.
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Integrity
“In his postgame news conference, Groh did not directly answer a question about his future, but instead read a poem, “The Guy in the Glass,” about how the most important person an individual has to please is himself. He closed with a testimonial about himself.
“When I visited the guy in the glass, I saw that he’s a guy of commitment, of integrity, of dependability and accountability,” Groh said. “He’s loyal, his spirit is indomitable and he’s caring and loving. I’m sure I will always call the guy in the glass a friend.”
Groh showed class on his way out. Bobby sees the face of Ann in the mirror and a bag full of money.
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Bowden
I would sure like to see that happen but there is this part of me that believes that Bowden will never step down voluntarily. Of course maybe the money will make the medicine go down. It has been like a bad movie that never ends and gets worse with each change in scenery. And I cannot even watch him speak anymore.
the next DC
Did you say you thought Kirby Smart would be the next DC?
To FSUncensored
I am concerned about all the Bobby faithful who will be POed whenever Bobby leaves whether now or next year. I am concerned about their payback to Jimbo and unreasonable expectationsof Jimbo and the program as he tries to rebuild it. I fear that this schism is only going to get uglier once we force their hero out. Am I wrong in that concern?
you dont think FSU tops 6-6?
the majority of the fan base will always have unreal expectations and unsubstantiated opinions… regardless of who is head coach. luckily, the majority of the fan base doesnt do the talking. those doing the talking (and walking) are behind Jimbo and I would expect that to change without proper reason.
They are old
They won’t be around the program much longer if they feel that way and many of the big money bobby supporters are gone
by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
They are old
They won’t be around the program much longer if they feel that way and many of the big money bobby supporters are gone
by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think we will face a “Fire Jimbo” movement within his first three years in charge. Like you say, the Bowden supporters will be angry and pick on every little thing Jimbo does. For instance, like most coaches Jimbo curses on the sidelines. The old Bowden supporters will no doubt be up in arms about that and screaming about how we have lost our way. Jimbo will also receive the blame for every loss as these people suddenly start holding a head coach accountable for the first time in decades.
The good news, as Uncensored alludes to, is that the Bowden supporters are mostly old and inarticulate. They won’t be able to mount a substantive attack on Jimbo and won’t be convincing any fence sitters.
If Fisher wins there won't be any anti-Fisher movement
If Fisher doesn’t win AND Bobby’s gone, and we’re talking about this going on in 2012, yea, there most definitely will be a movement.
Unless he is leading us to 10-11 win seasons, I think there will be an anti-Jimbo movement.
Personally, I think a 10-11 win season is out of reach for the next couple of seasons, but I won’t argue too much with those who think it can be done in 2011.
Get ready.
Jimbo better win and win quickly. Don’t misunderstand: I will NOT be part of an anti-Jimbo movement when it takes him more than two years to rebuild this mess of a program. But you can bet it’s the next insane movement of the Bowdenite ilk. Easiest call in sports history, made years ago. His DC better be sharp and have his recruiting targets lined up now.
No
I had rather go 0-11 than see one more press interview from this guy. It won’t happen though Fisher will have a top offense next year and new DC with some recruiting immediately, and I mean immediately could bring the defense back to where Mickey had it year before last in the top 30. Time is wasting however as a new DC and his staff should be hopping a plane for home visits with top prospects right now. Word needs to get out as to who exactly it is and put him on a plane.
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What a lot of people here don't understand
Is that the majority of people (the ESPN crew, and the Seminole commoners who don’t pay attention to the details we read on this site), will most likely be on Bobby’s side. To say that a farewell tour wouldn’t draw attention, nor fans, is just stubborn.
The Majority of people out there still think Bowden is a legend. I was one of these people, until I started coming to tomahawknation – the site is incredible, and will truly open your eyes to whats really going on. With that being said, I know what its like just being a regular FSU Alum without hearing, nor reading into specific details about Bowden. And with that mindset, you just automatically think Bowden is the legend who singlehandedly built this program from the ground up.
The rest of the hunderds of thousands of alums, who don’t read into detail, the rest of the nation who has seen Bobby from afar, as well as the ESPN crew, all still think hes a legend and “should be able to go out on his terms, whenever he wants”. If you think anything different, you are seriously kidding yourself.
With allll that being said, the University (and any other institution for that matter) is always in it for the money. They WILL get the most money doing a Bowden farewell tour. More games will be nationally televised, and (regardless of how bad we know Bowden is, and regardless of how harmful he is to the program) TONS of commoner fans will come to see Bobby’s last season – no doubt in my mind (Especially if we are a good team next year). Not everyone knows the things we do, and the majority (the hundreds of thousands of FSU fans who don’t come to sites like these) will want to come and see an official (and most likely very corny) Good Bye to Bobby Bowden
This seems to be a fundamental divide on this site, but I do not believe there is all that much money to be had in a farewell tour. Maybe 5 years ago there would have been, but not now. At the very least, I don’t see how you can say there is no doubt that this farewell tour will rake in the cash, especially in the current economy.
If we’re in the midst of another .500 season, I expect to see the same empty stands for most of the games. Mickey Andrews is a legend as well, and a figure who has avoided the negativity that Bowden has been sucked into in recent years. Yet Mickey’s farewell game featured one of the lowest attendances in my time going to Doak. The student sections (FREE TICKETS) were about 50% full to see off the legend. Casual fans are not going to consistently pay $50 bucks and show up to see a team this poor no matter how much emotion is tied up in it.
I could see Bowden’s last game maybe drawing decent attendance, but that would be against Florida and that is always a sellout.
You overestimate both the amount of money that would be made by the school on a farewell
tour (the potential downside of further declines in ticket sales and booster donations under the scenario of Bowden staying would more than offset it, first of all), and the amount of concern those “generic” fans would show if the school out and out dismissed Bobby tomorrow.
You are right: the VAST majority of the alums do not read into detail about the soap opera that is now the FSU football program. They don’t really much care. They may think that Bowden “deserves to go out on his own terms, whenever he wants” but their lives aren’t dominated by it. If FSU were to dismiss him tomorrow, the extent of their disapproval would be “that stinks” and then they would move on with the rest of their lives.
And as far as the ESPN crew and the national college football fans go, if the school were to dismiss Bowden tomorrow by throwing his crap in a box and leaving it outside the doors, by thursday, those people would be talking about the Florida-Alabama game. They care even less.
The only person who cares as much as you sugget is Bobby himself.
Those same people stopped coming to games THIS year
knowing that these last few games very well may have been Bowden’s last at FSU.
I really hope this article is correct....
but the more I hear, the less I believe it is.
Bobby is about to make FSU his bitch and destroy recruiting for 2 years in the process.
Does ANYONE really believe TK is going to take out Bobby? No way.
especially since...
TK is leaving himself and resigning as president. If he were to stay longer and had to worry about his job then maybe he would do the right thing but seeing he doesn’t have to worry about getting fired himself, he will continue to back BB until he leaves.
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Hate to say it
But the alzheimer’s poster is funny, and I can’t remember beating UF either.
Foosball is the devil
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Interesting find by KnoxNole
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/11/30/1179201/cbs-sports-article-regarding-fsu
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I am getting a bad feeling. Looks like BB is not going to budge and be hellbent on hurt us for atleast 1 more year! It sucks! A CEO who is being paid >$2million/year – who doesnt recruit, doesnt gameplan, doesnt remember player names, game situations. I am sure this must be the highest form of bailout we are seeing in these recessionary times!
Embarrassing to say the least!
I was listening to the pregame show on the radio and Bobby didn't seem to include himself as a part of FSU.
He said something to the effect that a win at UF would be one of the biggest wins “they (FSU)” had ever had.
I wondered, “why didn’t he say WE?”
He decided to become "nuetral" sooner than later
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
So now
any one hear anything about who Jimbo is going to let go as far as the coacher or who he is looking at for the jobs?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
*coaches
damn typos
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
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