Preview and Game Thread: Marquette Golden Eagles vs Florida State Seminoles, 7:30pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Nov 29, 2009 7:04 PM EST
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Marquette Golden Eagles at Florida St. Seminoles, Nov 29, 2009 7:30 PM EST
The Seminoles showed signs of life in the second half of the Old Spice Classic Semi-Finals against the Alabama Crimson tide. FSU struggled, once again, with the full court press in the first half to which Coach Hamilton responded with a three guard line up of Derwin Kitchen, Devidias Dulkys and Michael Snaer. It worked. The Seminoles started to distribute the ball and run a crisp offense distributing the ball to the open shooters. Chris Singleton and Dulkys landed a number of big three point shots that helped the Seminoles move into the Old Spice Classic Finals against Marquette. The Golden Eagles upset Xavier and Michigan on their way to this game. This would be a huge lift for this young Seminoles team to defeat the red hot Eagles.
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Game Time: 7:30pm EST
Television: ESPN2 and ESPN360.com
Get ready for a good one folks. The Seminoles were able to fight through two poor offense performances and battle their way to the Finals of the Old Spice Tournament. During the three games, the defense led the way, limiting opponents to poor shooting efforts, permitting the offense to find a way to win. It wasn't pretty at times, but for those of you who watched the second half of the Alabama game, it seemed as if the lights went back on.
Marquette enters the game with a 6-0 record. The first four games of the Golden Eagles season were against poor opponents: Centenary, Maryland Eastern Shore, Grambling and South Dakota. Many wondered if Marquette would be able to make it through the more difficult half of the bracket in the tournament that included Michigan, Xavier and Creighton. They did so easily, defeating Xavier 71-61 and Michigan 79-65. In those two games they had an eFG% of over 50% and a TO% of less than 20% in each game. They held their opponents to poor shooting percentages.
Here are the four factors evaluations for the Marquette's two games in the tournament:
Marquette struggled on the offensive boards against Xavier but seemed to do much better against Michigan.
Here is the likely starting lineup for Marquete:
F #32 Lazar Hayward 6'6 225 Senior
F #33 Jimmy Butler 6'6 215 Junior
G #1 Darius Johnson-Odom 6'2 200 Sophomore
G #10 David Cubillan 6'0 175 Senior
G #23 Dwight Buycks 6'3 190 Junior
Despite losing two significant senior contributors, this is an experienced team that has post season tournament experience. Notice something about their lineup? They are relatively small in comparison to the Seminoles. Though they do have a 7'2 freshman on their bench. Don't be surprised to see the Golden Eagles play full court press as much as possible in the game as it will likely force the Seminoles to go small. Coach Buzz Williams was able to sit and watch the entire Seminoles game as Marquette played early in the day on Friday. Fortunately for the Seminoles, they are learning how to respond and proved they could play small ball against Alabama. It's still not perfect.
The Seminoles will continue to start: Kitchen, Dulkys, Singleton, Alabi and Reid. Though, look for a quick switch to that three guard lineup if necessary. Singleton is having an outstanding tournament and he should have continued success tonight.
Keys to the Game:
1. Be Patient. Marquette plays physical man to man basketball. Play fast but not rushed and make good decisions.
2. Limit the turnovers. Duh. This will be a theme for the rest of the year.
3. Adjust on the fly. We know that the combination of Kitchen, Dulkys, Snaer, Gibson and Singleton works. The Seminoles will continue to have a huge size advantage with this 'small line up.'
4. Don't let Marquette get out early. The Eagles only use 8 players. This is the 3rd game in 4 days. Tired legs.
This would be a huge win for the Seminoles. They have the opportunity to beat an SEC, Big East and Big Ten team in one season. Let's keep that opportunity alive.
Officials: Announced at game time.
Prediction: Seminoles 73 Eagles 66
Go NOLES!!!
Cheers,
TC
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After losing to UF in b-ball and football..
…this would really bring my spirits up if FSU can pull a win tonight
An Old Spice Classic championship and a win at Ohio State Wednesday equals a
pretty good nonconference resume, in Big Dance terms, if you asked me.
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Good idea by Luke
but was a bit out of control.
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2 O RBs by Kitchen for our 4 points
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Yeah we need someone to hit a couple of outside shots
to prevent Marquette from just crashing down and giving us no room inside in the post or even for the drive.
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8-4 Marquette with 15:21 to go in the 1st half
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How can Alabi possibly be a first round NBA pick?
he looks terrible with the ball. I mean even for a big man.
I know all that, but is that enough for a first round pick?
I mean, I am not a big NBA fan. so I dont know.
I've changed my analysis
thought he’d come out this yr but good teams have shown he needs another yr. I’m not crying about that.
Snaer getting lots of open looks at three needs to ht them or they won't care.
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Doing a good job of getting the D boards right now.
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Nice Alabi is huge on the D end today
making Marquette think every time they are inside
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Almost a great back door pass by Gibson, nice dee by marquette to prevent it.
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Nice Dribble Drive by Dulkys
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yeah, he really rushed that last one also
seems to be pressing as he’s “a shooter” and hasn’t been knocking them down so far this year (at least not with any consistency)
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11-8 Marquette 11:13 to go
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As long as we keep getting these looks I like our chances
as we look like we can get a very high % of the O boards which will help us in the long run.
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Seminoles are hanging on early. I'm ok with this, need to last through what is going to be a long fight. I was afraid that Marquette would make a huge early run.
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Last game it was what got the Noles going in the late first to early second half.
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Very good patience by Marquette on that possession
led to a good decision and 2 FTs
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Demercy needs to shoot that, not drop it off to the smaller guard in a bad position.
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2nd mini run of the game by Marquette (had 8 in a row earlier)
now 7 straight
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seems like we type
“missed layup” a few times each game thus far.
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Are really going to need to bear down on the FTs today
with us struggling from the field so far.
The FTs could keep us in it early.
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down 10
2nd timeout of the game already.
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was hoping not to have to use the 2nd as the next stoppage
is the under 8 tv t.o.
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This getting ugly
I hope we can keep it within 10 points at halftime…I don’t see us making a run this half
and they've all been wide open looks as well
with no one in their face.
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Nice floater by Snaer
hope that gives him some confidence and will hit an outside shot or 2 before the half concludes.
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Glad Alabi picked up his dribble. Bad place for him to get position aside to pass.
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O boards keeping us in the game
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as Luke put one back
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Singleton caught watching the potential rebound. Not going help you win this game.
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I thought it was good also
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Another rushed pass after picking us the dribble in a bad spot
this time by Dulkys
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Note to Alabi: Do not put the ball on the floor when you are that far from the basket.
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12 turnovers already yikes!
forcing 7 is pretty good, but shouldn’t be returning the favour at an almost 2-1 clip
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Oh okay
I just don’t see the point in man right now; they have the speed advantage and we are wearing ourselves out
I agree. It was working well then Marquette got inside and started doing some nice interior passing for easy buckets.
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yeah
I’d just clog the middle up…force them to become a great shooting team
If the shots don’t fall for them they will wear themselves out mentally playing such hard man on the other side of the floor
Unfortunately. the shots are starting to fall. They shot well in the first two games of teh tournament.
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True enough
But I’m just playing the percentages
Our height advantage works best when we use it for what it is actually worth.
If we need to play a 3-2 then fine…just don’t give up the bucket
Great offenseive rebounds. Nice to slow it down and set up the offense again.
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Like that we're getting more aggressive in going after it on the O boards.
with us struggling on O we really need to hit the glass hard.
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Really need to get those FTs
we can really use those points today.
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How are there so many Marquette fans there?
It’s in frickin Milwaukee. Our team and fans look docile.
Singleton got baited
need to force that guy who passed up the open 3 to be the man to shoot
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Nice movement by FSU on that possession. Snaer didn't realize he had such a good look.
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How about the travel there?
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Can't let Johnson-Odom shoot
he’s been the biggest factor for their O
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Impressed by Marq's physical attributes
They appear to be in better shape and physically stronger than us
And while Marquette has been credited with a lot of steals
most of the turnovers were of the unforced variety IMO.
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Glad Johnson-Odom finally missed
hope he’ll follow his teammates lead in the 2nd half :)
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Seminoles showing stair case offense again, long runs without points. Marquette with a really nice run to the end of the half for Marquette.
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I think all of them were when they put the ball down in the post as well
as they kept thinking that they could dribble when there were 2 or 3 defenders within arm’s length of them/the ball.
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I’ve skipped over every post but what’s your opinion on Coach Ham? I catch roundball games when I can and not impressed with the way our squad plays for the most part. I don’t want to see some of this talent go to waste.
Loaded question. I ran a post last year that looked at player development under Hamilton.
To equate it to football…think Mickey Andrews. We’re going to get outstanding talent, very athletic players and see if we can beat you one on one.
His defense has been outstanding over the years, but he’s all about man to man, very limited zone play or willingness to play the zone.
There is limited variability in the offensive sets. We have great shooters and our assistant coaches are great at coaching how to shoot.
But…we still can’t beat the press…it burned us last year and we still suffer against it.
I think Hamilton is a good coach, not elite. But, I wonder who would want to come to FSU? Clearly FSU thinks he’s great and his NCAA tournament bid earned him a 5 year contract.
We need an assistant who can really coach the offense. As you can see, this is a highly talented team and Hamilton has been able to recruit some sleepers and gems in his time at FSU. We’re very very close. If this team had a true point guard that could consistently handle and distribute the ball with a limited number of turnovers, this team would be outstanding. We’re close, not quite there yet. Could be there in the next few years if Alabi, Snaer and Singleton hang around. Couple of nice additions coming next year.
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That was the quick and dirty answer. Could have a discussion about this for hours.
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I am convinced that Coach Ham would be best as an assistant
And not HC. Everyone expected a win over UF. Watched part of that game and it was obvious that coaching was key. I could be wrong but thats what I took from it.
"Coach the offense"
It just doesn’t make sense to me
They need someone who understands that part of the game…But in my mind it would just be laughable if every time the team went to work on offense some other guy took the podium…
That sort of system would never work
What Hamilton lacks is the Gestalt principle
Need to find a way to get Snaer/Dulkys/Demercy
to hit a J or 2 when we are in the 3 G lineup (yes I know Demercy isn’t a G) b/c Luke and Kitchen aren’t really a threat to hit the 3 very often. Maybe we should start to run a bit of a high post/face up with Alabi/Gibson so that we have some room under the basket for Luke/Kitchen to drive/crash the glass.
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Interesting to see both Snaer and Dulkys out there to start the 2nd half
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Just too tired
Guard play already a limited commodity for us. Can actually say I’m looking forward to conference play. This limits any kind of run in the Tourney, though, not having good guards.
Good hustle by the D on that possession
to create the steal and fastbreak that Singleton got the and1 on
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Great effort by Demercy leads toe the And-1 by Singleton on the other end.
Need to get a good run started here. Hopefully, Marquette will get tired
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If we went to zone
WE would be winning
I am just saying
Need to hit a couple of those open threes we have had. Only 1 for 9 for the game.
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Not only is the % terrible
but we should be going to the line a lot more than 4 times in the first half (and the 1 miss by Chris in the 2nd half)
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I wish sports was like american idol
Where we could phone in what we think the coach should do next
Luke traps himself in the corner and then throws it away
leads to the semi-break and a good job by Butler to take away the space from Gibson and draw the foul
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Please make these FTs
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46-41 with 7:15 to go
got ourselves back in the game
hope we have enough to finish it
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yep, big 3 by Kitchen
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Never been a fan of rewarding the O for
jumping into the Defender and bailing them out
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Huge effort to play through
enough though are very tired.
The answer by Kitchen to get it right back to a 2 point spread after Marquette got up 4 again was bigger than huge.
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Alabi has fresh legs. Smart decsiion by Hamilton. Marquette missing a ton of shots.
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Great comeback by our guys.
Demercy has been huge, and Singleton is playing lights out. Lets finish it out though!
Was a huge luxury that we were able to continue that run without Singleton
and were able to rest him for the stretch.
How lucky are we to have the depth that we could go with Alabi and Gibson for the last few mins (before the Alabi re-insertion at about 3:50 to go) and still have the size advantage?
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Don't let them penetrate with their guards. That last basket by M was too easy.
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lead as Kitchen licks the 3
and about time that Alabi attacked and not settle.
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56-55 Marquette, 24.8 to go
our ball at midcourt. We have 1 timeout left (so does Marquette)
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11.9 left FSU up 57-56, we used our last timeout.
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Horrible pass by M... ball out of bounds to Seminoles with 2.9 seconds to go.
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Nice get to hear about what we can't see on TV
always an added bonus on such a long road game.
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I meant what we don't see on tv
it’s on ESPN2
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such as sideline interactions
coaches demeanors, reactions during timeout etc.
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I hear ya. I sprung for 6th row seats behind the Noles bench. I will give you
guys the full report on what the bench interaction was.
Thanks guys. Despite the terrible prediction: 73-66 noles. At least I got the win correct. Thoughtit would turn into a no defense shoot out as both teams were tired from the last few days.
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Didn't cover the spread
:)
I’m sure LV loved that the game pushed the 1 point line.
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I'm sure Old Spice was happy that the game gave both teams a NICE SWEAT!
:)
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Per FSUn
He cannot recruit. He spits on people when he talks and he smells like an old person (literally). Kids don’t remember him as anything but an old man.
hehe
Awesine Awesine awesome
After sleep-walking through the first half (only making 4 shots) – we looked tired.
We turned a 17 pt deficit around in the second half to win by one
Who did we go to in the last minute (always trailing by 1) even after he had sucked pipe all game
Alabi
Who came through?
Alabi!!!
He also came through earlier with less than a minute to go
He scored two big hoops with less than a min!
he was fresh, no doubt. the benefits of having a surplus of height.
maybe this give him some confidence to be dominant in the paint.
And he had fresh legs. Was out for most of the game cause Marquette was all over him.
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We looked tired in the first half
They looked tired in the second.
Singleton with many points
DeMercy played some big quality minutes (including two phi slamma jammas!)
These guys fought back through moderate exhaustion
You can’t teach that. That’s just spirit; a tournament “X” factor.
Way to go, boys.
In all honesty
We took a lot of good shots in the first half that I expect us to make on most nights…
agreed
I thought that (and said as much early in the game) that if we kept getting those shots we’d be fine.
I like that we stuck with what makes our team strong and didn’t just start to take wild shots despite the fact we were down by double digits for seemingly half the game.
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Wow, well over 300 comments
pretty soon TC you’re going have to start doing separate threads for the 1st and 2nd halves (like in football with separate threads for each Q).
:)
Gotto make you happy to see such interest (even if it isn’t with the same volume of posters) in the basketball program growing each game.
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Can we ban Bobby Bowden and Chuck Amato comments from the B-ball threads
It depresses me enough when I read the football threads.
CSI
No worries – there’s been no moratorium declared – I’m just suggesting one.
I am officially a quitter
Turned it off when we were down by 17 and didn’t record the comeback. DOH.
time to move on from the big line-up
if it takes three guards to get the perimeter play FSU needs, then so be it.
Nope, don't move on, but...
Maybe wrinkle it a little bit…. .perhaps start with the smaller lineup, get into the flow of the game, and then bring in the big boys to finish them off. Disappointed that it has to be this way, but Alabi and Gibson (and Shannon) still need some growth before they can play effectively on the floor together.
I still think the key for our team is Snaer’s maturation on the perimeter, though… he clearly has the ability to PUNISH a team that chooses to double down on any of our towers… he just has to settle down and learn to finish. We’re very, very close.
Snaer is Good..
…and Alabi is a sick defender that swats shots left and right…even if we get to ACC play without losing again, I think we will be in trouble….the talent is there the ball handling is not…we turn the ball over way to much.
I am hoping that turnover issue gets corrected prior to ACC play, but I see no evidence that
it will. If I had to take a runner on it, I would agree with you that I think we are going to miss the dance. I hope I am wrong.
Either of you cats remember last year's Northwestern game?
We looked awful. Horrible.
Look, we played Florida, who has turned out to be a little bit better than expected (with a single day of practice, whereas they had 3 days off before a home game), and, yeah, we looked pitiful. Since then, we’ve won 3 games in 4 days, right? Including 2 against quality competition in Alabama and Marquette (both beat formerly #15 Michigan).
It’s early in the season. The team will progress. It will be a very, very enjoyable year.
i do remember that N'western game and it was brutal.
I like your optimism and I sure hope you are right. I mean, it sure is possible that I am overreacting. Its just that some of the turnovers so far this season have looked, well really, REALLY bad.
Then again, I may be making an unfair comparison to a team (last year’s team), that had a future NBA draftee guard on its roster.
Agree that is a weakness.. but development of Snaer is key.
He has the capacity to fix what ails us. Just needs confidence, and by midseason I think he’ll be there. In the meantime, we’ve got enough talent in the front court to beat most teams without any ball handlers.
We did an awful job last year with turnovers, even in ACC play.
But, the talent in the ACC this year is the front courts…not the back courts. Don’t get me wrong, there are some impressive guards in the ACC, but the talent is in the big men. We have more depth a the guard position than most.
We have to control the turnovers, or it will be a long season. Still hopeful.
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We look horrible
but we continue to win
this seriously is surprising.
true
we can’t afford to keep having these 18 point first halves though. We turn the ball over at a ridiculously high rate and still cant shoot the 3 well as a team. That will screw us over when we play great teams (like ohio state).
We have a lot to be optimistic about though. Singleton is progressing as expected.
Do you recall the Wake game last year?
I believe we were down 20+ and came back and won it.
I don’t count our team out ever.
by CelticPride on Nov 30, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
we beat wake once in the last two years
and that game was a acc tourny game where we were up most of the game. last year we played wake once and lost by 23.
Yep
I was thinking of the Clemson game.
Although it felt all year that we were never completely out of the game – but nor was the opponent.
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