Florida State Overcomes 17 Point Deficit to Defeat Marquette in Old Spice Classic Championship
It wasn't pretty but they got the job done and earned a tournament championship. For the second year in a row, the Seminoles won their OOC championship. Last year they defeated the like of Cincinnati and California in the Global Sports Challenge in Las Vegas. If you have access to EPSN360, try and check out this game; it will show you the character of this team.
This was the fourth game in six nights for the Seminoles. The previous three games were low scoring affairs against teams that played a consistent full court press that certainly drained the legs of the Seminoles. It showed. The Golden Eagles out hustled the Seminoles, grabbing loose rebounds and playing press man to man defense. They collapsed on anyone in the post and were over playing the ball.
At the half, Marquette led 30 to 18 and the Seminoles had 13 turnovers. Alabi and Reid combined for 6 turnovers in the first half. Neither team shot well in the first half, shooting in the high 20/low 30% mark. Each time the Seminoles would show life, Marquette would respond and extend their lead. Alabi was ineffective on the offensive end in the first half due to Marquette's defense. He wasn't able to get great position and put the ball on the floor too far away from the basket. This allowed Marquette's smaller guards to force turnovers. Defensively, he continued to shut down the paint. However, Alabi wasn't able to contribute to breaking the press. Too often, he was caught in the middle of the court with no one to pass to. Granted, he should not be the one who ends up with the ball in that situation. Given the limited effectiveness of the big men on offense and how they were being beat off the dribble and run around by Marquette, Hamilton went small.
With about 11:50 to go in the second half, the Seminoles started to claw their way back into the game. Derwin Kitchen hit a huge three point shot that seemed to spark the Seminoles offense. This started the exhausting effort to get back into the game. The Seminoles capitalized on the fact that Marquette started to get tired. The Seminoles showed new life on defense and Jordan Demercy played a long stretch of minutes and had an energizing dunk off a no look Loucks pass.
By the end of the game, both teams looked absolutely exhausted. Marquette only played 8 players. Florida State went 9 deep. However, all the time during this run, Solomon Alabi was on the bench. Plus, Chris Singleton had to sit out due to foul trouble until the last few minutes of the game. The turnovers by the Seminoles big men was the blessing in disguise. As Marquette's legs wore out, they missed more and more, allowing Alabi and Singleton to grab key rebounds.
The last minute of play was back and forth play that led to Solomon Alabi making up for his relatively quiet tournament. With 25 seconds to go, the Seminoles were down by one. As they set up in the half court offense, Alabi established good position on the low block and received a nice inlet pass. Marquette was late to double on Alabi, allowing him to land a nice turnaround jumper to put the Seminoles up 57-56. If Marquette had doubled, he had the height advantage to find the defender. Given his good position and that they didn't double, he had the option to hit the game winner. Alabi had two key baskets down the stretch and the fact that he rested for most of the second half gave him a significant advantage. He turned very quickly to make the last shot. In the first half, he was slow to turn and felt compelled to put the ball on the floor. Not this time.
With 11.9 seconds to go, Marquette had one last possession that resulted in an errant pass into Marquette's bench. A couple of inbounds plays later...Seminoles win. Chris Singleton earned player of the game. He had an outstanding tournament. During the tournament, he averaged 15 points and 7.6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1 block per game. In the championship game, he had 18 points and 10 rebounds with four steals.
The Seminoles were able to endure through this game and earn the victory, showing their heart to fight through a huge deficit to a team that was playing great defense. As exciting as this win was, the Seminoles still have a lot of work to do. They have proven that they can go small and be effective. Snaer who had a very quiet stat sheet played a very nice game especially on the defensive end. He, unfortunately, missed a number of wide open looks from behind the arc and rushed a number of shots around the basket. He played a deceptively large roll in helping the Seminoles win this tournament. Like the rest of this team, there is work to be done.
The Seminoles get two days off before they head to Columbus, Ohio to take on a very good Ohio State team. With this victory, FSU has the opportunity to beat an SEC, Big East and Big Ten team in the off-season. Ohio State is a very balanced team and it will be a hostile crowd in Columbus.
The Seminoles earned this victory tonight. Congrats to Coach Hamilton and the rest of the Seminoles for winning the Old Spice Classic Tournament. Well done.
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I think technically
it was 4 games in 6 nights (Wed and Sat off) – but still an exhausting schedule.
I’m curious as to our Pomeroy and RPI after this little run.
Say what you will about Coach Ham, but I love these preseason tourneys against teams that might be vieing against us for an at-large bid. Our OOC schedule this year and last is much superior giving us a chance to improve our team and to build a resume.
Also gonna be fun to take on OSU on the road Wednesday nite.
And a final point, every team from our side of the bracket beat the other half of the Old Spice draw. Baylor, Alabama and Iona beat Michigan, Xavier and Creighton :)
Yep, was about to point out to 2 things
it was 4 games in 6 nights (Wed and Sat off) – but still an exhausting schedule.
and
And a final point, every team from our side of the bracket beat the other half of the Old Spice draw. Baylor, Alabama and Iona beat Michigan, Xavier and Creighton :)
Great tourney for our resume, confidence and showed us how much heart this team has – especially after losing to UF 2 days prior to the start of the tourney.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
any win against a big east team
is a good win for rpi sake.
See guys?
FSU sports doesn’t have to be depressing!
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Nice win
What a game! Down 17 I honestly thought it was over, but I was thrilled to see the fight in our team tonight.
It sure wasn’t pretty, but we’ll take it!
by seminoleballer on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions
I dont think one can say it was a very exciting game in total, but the last few minutes,
especially the last one, certainly made up for it! Reminded me of a late season ACC battle, with the back-and-forth clutch shots.
Go Noles!
It was not pretty at all, but I'm glad we were able to get through it to earn the victory.
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Reminds me of the game at Clemson last year
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
17 points down...
to winning by 1. What a game. No die in this team. I would think this will help the team through the season. It is still early but it is nice to be excited about something related to FSU mens sports. The ladies are certainly doing their part.
I didnt get to see the Champ game but did get to see the Bama game
I was eating Mex. with my G-pa (Huge WF booster and alum) and he even said he was impressed this year of the talent and drive FSU b-ball team has. He thinks they could make a good run at the ACC and should face duke in the end. He thinks that FSU and Duke are the 2 best in the ACC right now and I have to beleave him because hes a b-ball person. Codos to the team.
Thanks Truecubbie because of you this site is the best FSU b-ball site and now I know and understand the game. I only played Jr High ball so I didnt know anything about any of this. Now I get to learn with people that know and understand the game and a team that is good to show me what is up. I hope this is going to be a good season for us.
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Thanks TC, between the fiasco's in Hogtown and Buffalo, this was very nice ending for a lousy weekend. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
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Post Game Observations
1) Luke did a nice job in the second half distributing the ball and handling the pressure in the backcourt, although Marquette was not pressing nearly as hard in the second half. Without those minutes, there is no way Kitchen would have had the legs for his clutch buckets down the stretch.
2) For Alabi to be effective, he needs to establish good position. He doesn’t have the ball skills to put it on the floor and manuever for his shot. As he develops more, and gets bigger and stronger, this part of his game will improve. Right now, his dribbiling is weak, and he doesn’t have the awareness necessary to dribble while recognizing the direction of the double (or triple) team. I’d almost rather see Alabi catch the ball and if he isn’t comfortable with one quick dribble( or preferably no dribble) and a shot, pass it back out and repost. This would open the offense up tremendously, not only for him, but for his teammates. Right now, teams can double and triple team him without fear that he will find the open man.
As a corollary to this issue, Alabi’s teammates need to deliver the ball to him in a catchable manner so that he doesn’t have to bring the ball down.
You saw Coach Ham make a nice adjustment for the game winning basket. Alabi set up on the far side low post, ran off the cross screen, and the ball was given to him on time, rather than after he was pushed out from the low blocks.
Agreed on a lot of what you say
But Alabi tends to like to dribble regardless of where he catches it. He can’t do that against smaller quicker teams.
Same as when he gets an offensive rebound. He needs to keep the ball over his head and go back up.
by CelticPride on Nov 30, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Alabi needs to recognize that he needs to keep the ball up high. That is something that he can control. Whether the ball is on time, whether it is delivered in a position that allows Alabi to get a quick shot, are things that his teammates can help him with.
agreed, but...
I thought he went through this learning curve last year? It appears his game awareness has regressed. Unfortunate.
FSU #21 in newest AP Poll
UF jumped to #13
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Here's a weird stat for you...
Who leads the squad in points per shot (PPS)?
None other than Jordan DeMercy. I would have had difficulty believing he could pull that off in a single game, much less through 7. He’s shooting .526 from the field (10/19), .836 from the FT line (11/13), and 1/2 from deep. Still too many needless turnovers, in my opinion, but he’s clearly made strides from last season in terms of playing to his strengths.
Well half his shots are dunks :)
And his shot-taking discipline seems to be a lot better this year. Last year he took bad shots. Now, he has realized that his role is a hustle guy and he’s turning into an asset rather than a liability on the floor. (You still have to guard him or he’ll back door you for the easy deuce)
post game observations # 2
1. we need to figure out who is our ball-handler and fast
way too many sloppy turnovers and near turnovers b/c of poor point play and/or communication –
teams w/ smaller quicker guards are going to pressure us and have a field day if we dont get this straight
2. singleton is emerging as a team leader who plays w/ energy, is unselfish and can do everything – he only needs to cut down a little on his excessive dribbling, and get nice from the free throw line (horn- tooting here; i did call a break out year for him as opposed to solomon)
3. sneear is an athletic competitor who loves d and is all about the team – when his shot comes around he will be in the running for freshman of the year in the acc
4. loucks/demercy/dulkys all seem very happy w/ their roles and are getting better at not playing outside of their capabilities – loucks summer training also seems to be paying major dividends – he showed flashes of brilliance..
5. offense – leonard brings in great recruits who buy into his system and are good kids – he coaches them up on d, but has never been a good offensive coach – he needs to let an assistant run the show for a while..
6 solomon’s passing – he needs to work on being a better passer out of the post, which will eventually buy him more time to set up his pet moves, which seem to take 14 seconds to develop..
7. effort – this is the most cohesive and hardest playing fsu squad we’ve had since the sura/ward/cassell/edwards/dobard team (best fsu squad ever) and im excited…
all good points
Snaer just needs to settle down. I expect (hope) after a few shots fall against a real opponent his “visible” stats will sky-rocket. He shows loads of potential.
Singleton is finally turning into the player he looked like he could be. He still settles for the outside jumper way too often, but I understand his dilemma — his NBA money will not be made on the inside. Do it for the kids, Pita.
I do not understand why Dulkys disappears on the bench at the end of every game. He is the best off-ball defender we have at the guard position. His decisions against pressure are suspect, but no more than any other guard on FSU’s roster.
Demercy is going to make me a believer yet. OK, chances are no. But the kid has started playing within himself, so kudos.
I disagree about Loucks. He still appears timid against better competition, though he did make the most (only) athletic play of his career against Marquette.
good stuff
i agree re: singleton shooting too many j’s he’s a decent jumper, but youre right, it shouldnt be his bread-n-butter
and i didnt mind running w/ two points toward the end of teh game as ball handling and turning it
over were our biggest problems, and as you mentioned, dulky’s not exactly a strong ball-handler
and if you saw loucks against northwestern last year, versus marquette this year – he looks 2,000 times better now, both athletically and in regards to confidence
im not calling him lawson against the press – but the improvement is drastic imo
some points of my own
Too many players are jumping at shots. It is not overly apparent in the stats (i think because FSU is simply too big), but this “strategy” is giving up way too many easy put backs. Way too many.
CHam needs a camera on him at all times. His interaction with the other coaches is hilarious. Someone needs to get ESPN on this.
To date, the best line-up on the floor has been: Kitchen – Snaer – Dulkys – Singelton – Gibson
Why FSU didnt go offense/defense with Kitchen at the end of the game is beyond me. CHam was bringing in JD for Loucks, but no Dulkys for Kitchen? Very confused. FSU had time outs. What is there to lose?
If Gibson would just A. Rebound or B. Defend his minutes would drastically increase. If he decides to put emphasis on both, holy geez….
Great post
obviously Reed needs to stop shooting outside of 13 feet, but I would like to see a line up of two guards and Singleton (as a ball handler 3 type), with Alabi and Gibson worked into the rotation where we can utilize the 1-3’s ball handling skills without exposing our bigs. One thing I think could help Alabi is the guards coming down to the post and setting screens where Alabi could roll up and around the free throw line for a jumper, he seems to be pretty consistent from that position. Also I have to agree with you about Gibson, kids got all the talent in the world, but Xavier needs to learn how to front a guy and/or bump a guy on D from behind enough to keep him from having easy 5 foot shots (I’ve got to add that his sweet stroke from the baseline makes up for most of this but, FSU doesn’t seem to want to exploit his strength in this area)..
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 1, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
and finally, record setting?
By my numbers, FSU ended plus one made field goal away from winning a three-game tourney with baskets = turnovers. That is unheard of…
This team has ridiculous talent. They need to gel quick to maximize their potential.
capitalize on their potential.
realize their potential.
me no like ingles.
What a great way to start the year...
and put ourselves in the top 25 from the get-go. If only we played the Gators after this tourney, I think we would have taken the lessons learned from the tournament and beaten them. But an early loss against a ranked team out of conf isn’t a big deal, and I look forward to following this young and exciting team all year. Thank God for basketball!































