Defensive Urgency? Yea, right...
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 2:31 AM EST
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Once again the high octane ‘Noles offense makes up for another horrid performance on the other side of the ball. Honestly, the sooner this season comes to an end, the happier I'll be. I grew up in Florida in the 90's and watched FSU post a top 5 finish year after year after year. Yes, the offenses during the ‘Glory Years' were good (Charlie Ward, Warrick Dunn, Peter Warrick, etc.) but the defense was the staple that held everything together (Derrick Brooks and Co.).
No team wanted to come into Tallahassee and go against a Mickey Andrew's defense (or come to Tallahassee in general for that matter). But now, offensive coordinators drool at the thought of playing against our defense, and they should. The recent posts here on Tomahawk Nation summarizing our defense's stats don't lie, but I sure wish they did.
The decline of this decade early on was at first on the offenses of that other Bowden guy... The defense kept us in games but our offense could never pull it out. Now, it's the exact opposite. I hate seeing our offense put up such monster numbers but, at the same time, watch our defense allow just as much.
My point in this post is that the urgency on defense is not there like it is with offense. This radio interview with Jimbo Fisher posted by FSUncensored really hit home with me. In his interview, Jimbo Fisher talks about the mindset of his offense and how they come out every play, every drive, with a sense of urgency; that way, when the offense needs to come up with a big play, nerves are less of an issue and they are in the same mindset as they were on every other snap.
The defense, on the other hand, is nothing like the offense. To me, its almost like they're thinking, ‘Well, if they score, our offense will answer. No big deal.' This blatantly falls right into the hands of the defensive staff. Jimbo Fisher has to ‘coach' the players into the right mindset. That's the thing the defensive coaching staff isn't doing. They are not coaching (ironic isn't it?).
Throughout the NC State game, the defense never showed urgency, until they absolutely positively had to. On the very last drive of the game, the ‘Noles defense got more pressure on Russell Wilson than they had the entire game. The defensive line was coming harder and faster than they had all game long. The couple linebacker blitzes were actually effective (Dekoda Watson had a great return to the lineup, by the way) in disrupting Wilson and the timing of the Pack's offense. Granted, there were several plays more than 10 yards, which I've come to expect with our defense. Maybe, just maybe if this defensive unit played with the sense of URGENCY like it did on that final drive, then MAYBE it would be just enough to give our offense the point cushion it has been hoping for every game this season.
This is my first post here on Tomahawk Nation, or on any blog for that matter and I enjoyed writing it. I hope to do more posts and feedback and comments are welcome. The future is bright for this program with Fisher replacing Bowden at the reigns and Mickey just needs to go ahead and make room for a Greg Hudson or a Kirby Smart.
GO NOLES!!
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Blitz Baby
I agree. We’ve been kicking beat in the trenches regardless of whether its run or pass. Since the line isn’t getting the job done, we should send more guys than the other side can block or fake like we are going to. Put the pressure on the opp. side’s line to try to figure out who’s blocking whom and make them think. It’s much easier to steam roll a guy when you know which guy it is. The defensive SCHEME has been far too passive and feminine. They receive and react far more than they attack. One way to solve the problem of guys getting out of position is to just send them on some jailbreak blitzes. Fake the all out blitzes and just send 5 or 6 so that the other side never knows who’s coming. Fake some blitzes and drop our guys into coverage to pick balls thrown to the hot routes. But for goodness sakes, don’t just sit there in a base defense and let the other team run up the gut and around the end for 8, 10, 12, 20 yrds a clip and then throw a 60 yd pass. Force the issue, create some urgency, fill the gaps with blitzing backers, play the game on the other side of the line of scrimmage, and don’t give the opposing team time to have their receivers run 60 yards downfield. Play more linebackers and DBs (and fewer linemen) if you need to and move them around to create some confusion. With the exception of dominant ends, we have the athletes. Turn ‘em loose and see who makes plays. Don’t keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. Mickey knows how to blitz and leave the outside guys one on one. So do it, damn it. Maybe, just maybe, our guys will start having a little fun and get their mojo back.
by NoleLaw on Nov 3, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
good ideas
looks like you need to give mickey a call…
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Welcome NoleLaw!
Are you in law school or an attorney or a prof?
by FSUncensored on Nov 3, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU GOT IT!!!!!!!!!
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We feel your pain
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughts. I also like to welcome you and thanks for posting and reading.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Promoted to the front-page
Welcome, 9310!
by FSUncensored on Nov 3, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
good stuff
thanks a lot – looking forward to your preview of the clemson game!
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least the next few years look a little bright
If our offense continues to play with this “Urgency” and a new staff can make the D decent. We might actually/eventually start seeing complete domination of lesser teams again. It is very important the next few years the O doesnt lose this Urgency even if the D gets better. hearing Fisher talk I don’t think they will.
by steveNole on Nov 3, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
youre right
with fisher here the offense will only get better – he’s having offensive success so his coaching methods wont change which hopefully means more offenses like this year’s. and if our defense this year was even half decent we would probably be undefeated… even now we’re three plays away from possibly being 7-1
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're also three plays away from possiby being 1-7
Baby Steps people, Baby Steps
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
im not denying that at all haha – but championship teams win the ones that come down to the wire. we’re definitely not a championship team but we show we can come up with the close games…… some of the time. but hey, ya gotta start somewhere
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was not urgeny
they got pressure because they rushed small fast linebackers and Wilson was looking for receivers down field. He did not have time to throw underneath, run himself or hand off to a running back. As MA said in his press conference, if the other team promised not to run the ball, he would have had Watson and Alexander rushing the passer all game.
Also, the offense is now showing urgency all game, but the first half against Boston College and early in the USF game, I think they also lacked urgency.
by nolestuff on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't care if they run
MA can still have the Noles run blitz. Then maybe Watson and Alexander would’ve been tackling the ball carrier at the point of handoff rather than at the first down marker. The defensive line isn’t getting penetration on runs or passes and they need some help. You have to control the line of scrimmage. You can’t just let the opp. team’s OL pound and push our D line and allow their guards to build up speed before they hit our linebackers.
by NoleLaw on Nov 3, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but
if they blitzed the linebackers every time teams would start countering it. I think MA meant he would not just put those two guys on the defensive line in place of who we have there now.
by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I just ahve a few points. First, we should either blitz OR show blitz on almost every down to confuse the opp. side’s blockers. That should help us get some penetration into the backfield because our current guys are not getting there in our std set. Second, if our DEs are not going to contain, are not able to over-power the opp linemen, and are not getting penetration, then sit their buts on the bench and bring in more lbs and dbs. Then you have spare guys with speed who can blitz from all sorts of angles and you can also vary up the coverages. Third, the first two things I am suggesting are things we can do with the current personell and the current playbook. If we keep doing the same thing, we won’t get different results. We need different results. It would be hard to get worse results. And if we are going to get beat, let’s get beat because we are being too agrressive rather than because we are sitting back in a base D, getting out of position, and getting man-handled. Being more agrressive with the play calling should also help our guys get some tackles for loss, hit harder, and at least change their mindset from one of “we’re getting our butts kicked, we’re the worst, and we’re not changing anything” to one of “we have been beaten in the past, but we’ve changed things, and now we’re coming after you. Watch out!” Our guys don’t have faith in the current D, and you can’t blame them. We have to change something drastically to give them something to believe and hope in. About the only things we can do with the current playbook are to send AND show more blitzes (even if we’re just faking the blitz and dropping guys back) and run the prowler (replacing the DEs with lbs and dbs) more.
by NoleLaw on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As another thought
On the first play of the game, we run all our front 7 right through the OL before the snap….preferably with a huge running start….maybe 10 yards. Take the 5 yard penalty.
Then for the rest of the game, fake the same pre-snap collision.
Every once in a while, take the encroachment penalty and just smack the linemen around…..
by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"It was not urgeny"
No it was Urgency.
by jasonole59 on Nov 3, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Urgency and intensity is what the coaches have been preaching.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Nov 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would rather them coach then preach
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks to me like
urgency and intesity is what jimbo fisher is ‘coaching.’ mickey is the one preaching…
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Listening to Jimbo of Cameron’s show was inspiring and actually made you feel somehwat positive about the future of the team
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimbo won a bunch of people over
When he was a guest speaker here at the Seminole Club of Greater Orlando monthly meeting over the summer. The guy knows football and he left everyone feeling positive about the future of FSU football. Yes, 2009 has been bad but we’re about to see some changes in our program for the better.
by CSI Nole on Nov 3, 2009 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
With Mickey most likely announcing that he will be retiring at the end of the season
I wonder how the defense will play in their remaining games. They should do whatever they can to send him on a high note.
by CSI Nole on Nov 3, 2009 1:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
They will play just as poorly as they have in the previous 8
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by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I expect too
But a couple stops here and there would be a nice change. You’re killing my optimism! :)
by CSI Nole on Nov 3, 2009 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Save it for next year
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by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we go super prowler all game: 1DT 10 lb/db. That way we can run around even moar wildly. If that’s possible.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
by levynole on Nov 3, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mickey Andrews
Mickey Andrews has been at Florida State for a long time…. This year his defense has struggled because they are young. These guys are learning the game as they play it. If you watch the defense you can actually see them thinking before reacting. This is pretty normal when you are so young. I have watched and studied our defense for years and when this year began I knew we were in trouble. It is very hard to be intense when you have to think before reacting. Against NC State this was brought to light on the last posession that NC State had. We were quick to the ball in our prevent because everyone knew what to do……. So we need to keep pressure coming, stop the run, and make them pass when we want them to pass, and not when they want to. I have noticed in the years watching Mickey coach is that this is his philosipy. CALM DOWN!!!!! We are ok. Florida State will be just fine in the future. Remember a legend…Mickey Andrews and Bobby Bowden are FLORIDA STATE! Go noles!
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
The problem is scheme. The problem is coaching. We have a DE coach who has never played defense or had coached it anywhere before Bobby hired him here. We have a linebackers coach who no longer recruits and is a combatant and a subversive, coasting by on a sense of entitlement. We have an outgoing DC who we love, but who the game has passed by. Man cover 1 schemes don’t work against modern offenses. This has been evident for some time. It’s a culmination of factors. You’re right about one thing, though, we will be fine in the future. That’s because we’ll get good coaches in December on the defensive side of the ball.
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by DKfromVA on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This year his defense has struggled because they are young.
This defense starts 6 seniors 3 Juniors, and 2 sophomores.
I have watched and studied our defense for years…
Not very closely or astutely because you would have realized that it is in fact NOT young.
It is very hard to be intense when you have to think before reacting.
Huh?
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what we have on the team…….We are young with our reserves and as far as game experience. This is why you can catch the alot of folks out of position.
My comment on it is hard to be intense when you have to think before you react…..is how we explain a young man and his thought process when there is a play going on…..do I go here….go there……drop back……..stay at home……. As a player you have to know where you are going to be if this happens….. the thinking process should be quick and you can not notice it in real speed.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You basically just described lack of depth thru recruiting and poor coaching
Which can be attributed directly to Bobby Bowden and the worthless coaches he keeps on his defensive staff.
You are digging your own grave here.
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on depth…. This can be contributed to a bunch of things. Where is Geno Hayes? We can not predict stuff like him going to the NFL so young.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He left as a junior 2 years ago
he wouldn’t have been here this year anyway…
by Pinto on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Everett Brown and Myron Rolle
Who would’ve known that Everett would give up his senior year to become a 2d round pick for a losing team? And who would’ve predicted that Myron would leave early for Oxford?
While we miss the early loses, that are not an excuse for ranking 109. College teams lose kids all the time. It’s the nature of the beast.
The thing is … cover 1 without a pass rush will not work against any offense. MA’s D is premised upon penetration into the backfield. If you do not get it, you end up at 109. Moffett & Brown are sorely missed. The front 4 aren’t getting the job done. Until we make some kind of change to create the backfield penetration, the D will continue to suck.
by NoleLaw on Nov 4, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was on point
well said nolelaw. if there was ever a time to get backfield penetration, it would be this saturday… as long as there is someone taking care of the outside at the same time. if spiller gets the corner consistently, were done for.
but, mickey hasnt changed anything yet this season so, unfortunately looks like our D is in for a long night
by fsu9310 on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u got it…
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
Even Darius McClure is missed. Some of the seniors might as well be freshmen, because they moved them from cornerbacks to safeties. That is not working out.
by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Bowden
I want Bobby to stay as long as he likes. He hired Jimbo. He knows that if you want to succeed then you hire the finest assistants!!!!!!
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, here we go
If he had his way, his son would still be employed at FSU. Chuck Amato would be our DC because it was not Bobby who begged Mickey back this year, but rather Jimbo, in order to avoid that catastrophe. Bobby Bowden is not Florida State. The program is bigger than one man.
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by DKfromVA on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He knows that if you want to succeed then you hire the finest assistants!!!!!!
Then explain Jeff Bowden, Bobby threatened to walk if his son was not hired.
Then explain Jody Allen, never played a down on defense nor coached it prior to Bobby hiring him.
Then explain Chuck Amato, was never a defensive coach until he got to FSU, road the coat tails of Mickey which in turn landed him a HC job where he was eventually run out of town for his inability to coach, yet Bobby thought it would be great for him to come back and be totally worthless.
You are wrong fine sir, he knows very little about it.
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you might catch that gem of a line
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by DKfromVA on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, here we go
Bobby is the reason why we have been so well. I really respect him as a man and as a coach. I want people to understand that a legend only lives once. We waited a while before we won our first National Championship and now since we dropped they want to run Bobby out! I know Bobby and I know that he is mentally up for this job and still yearns for success. He will be here next year….you can book it.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then please enlighten me and tell me what HE will do differently to make sure we succeed?
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's generally what happens.
A team wins, a coach gets credit, a team loses and a coach gets blame. Problem is too many people treat Bobby more like a religion than a man. The idea of Bobby being wrong is something some people don’t get (no offense but you seem to be one of those people). Facts are facts, FSU has struggled since Richt left. Bobby Bowden’s hiring practices are completely to blame. There was absolutely no other reason for our level of performance to drop off the way it did.
by truenole87 on Nov 4, 2009 3:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think site members here would be very interested on wagering you there
He’ll be gone. Bobby should be run out because of the selfish decisions he has made that have driven us from greatness into 8 years of mediocrity. Bobby doesn’t care about FSU.
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by DKfromVA on Nov 4, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With better coaching, we should have already won a couple by 1993.
We waited a while before we won our first National Championship
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Nov 4, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry flynn
im with DK and Rays on this one. he had a very appropriate counter to your longer post. they certainly are not young. they just flat out arent being coached correctly.
dont get me wrong, we would not have won the two titles we have if we had not had mickey andrews. he is just at the tail end of his career (obviously with the announcement of his retirement) and i just think his focus is elsewhere.
and everyone is in agreement that the future is bright, no doubt…
rays, good call on the finest assistants thing haha!
by fsu9310 on Nov 3, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mickey Andrews (revised)
I have watched FSU for many years and I am challenged on how I see it. Actually we are young because we usually play alot of folks….right? We can not now because we do not have the people to do it.
In a defensive scheme you do not just man up and blitz as I was challenged earlier. You have many schemes 4-3-4, 4-4-3. etc… I understand your concerns that the game has passed Mickey by….no it hasn’t. What has happened is the offense was horrible with Jeff….. The defense was fine…… Then we hire Jimbo and we get better yet this year going in we knew that the defense was very fast but young as far as experience. I like everyone on the staff but I do not think any of them are a replacement for Mickey. I want an outsider…..but I want to keep Chuck and everyone else can go.
When you build a house….over time it becomes out dated right? Then you go in and remodel…..but do you tear down the house? In most cases you do not. Bobby Bowden is the house! I would keep the offensive staff, hire Mickey’s replacement, and keep Chuck Amato and leave the rest up to the new coordinator.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is this other website I strongly suggest
I will even pay for your subscription if you promise to never come back
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No need for that……We both love the Noles and just disagree on some issues. Thanks for the offer but I do not need money….thanks! I really do very well for myself. I hope you do as well.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You actually disagree with just about every issues that this website stands behind
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by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No….you just disagree with me! You did not study law did you? I just really love FSU and Mickey Andrews.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No I did not study law
And God help us if you did and are actually practicing in some capacity
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you have a crush on Amato?
I assume you’re not an ‘ass and legs’ kinda guy. You go for the top-heavy dames.
by The K-Man on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rocky XX?
Who wants to see a wrinkly, saggy skinned Sly Stallone make another Rocky movie when he’s 80 yrs old? No one denies the original Rocky movie was great and made Sly’s career. We all loved Rambo. But man, who wants to see the guy make another Rocky or another Rambo movie when he’s 80 yrs old?
Same thing with BB. He was great in his prime. He made the Noles famous. He’s a legend. We’re thankful. But I don’t see him delivering some speech that’s going to motivate the guys. I don’t see him having a flash of brilliance that will change things around. He defended Jeff Bowden until the end. It took a long time, record poor offensive performances, and a a long and overwhelming series of objections from the fans to get Jeff gone. We get Jimbo. It seems that the fans were right. The trouble is—the fans can’t coach the kids every Saturday. Bobby built a fabulous program when he was in his prime. Out of respect for him, he gets to coach as long as he wants. Out of respect for the program he built, he should pass the torch and he will at the end of next season.
A Rocky XX movie would not be very credible. Likewise, no one really believes that BB will be responsible for turning the program back to its former glory.
by NoleLaw on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the analogy
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I see Jimbo as Rambo in First Blood being victimized by the older
Sheriff Bowden (played by Brian Dennehy). CTC is the Sergeant who gets knocked out of the helicopter by a rock Jimbo throws. Jody Allen is played by David Caruso as the slow witted slack jawed deputy who doesn’t know too much.
After being victimized by Bowden’s deputies, Jimbo wages an all out attack on the defense and destroys, annihilates, bombs, and shoots up the entire side of defensive line of scrimmage waging a war that brings so much chaos, that Jim Smith (played by Richard Crenna) has to step in to calm Jimbo down so he doesn’t finish off Bowden.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At which time Jimbo says to Smith,
DEY DRU FURST BLUD
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Nov 4, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want him to stay for one more year with Ponder as a senior and with the defense getting some game experience…. If they can not win then……Peace Out Bobby. I will miss you.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 more year
BB will stay one more year.
Jimbo and the Trustees will go all out to bring in the best DC possible. Then Bobby will go, knowing that his cherished Noles are in good hands. And that’s an exit that can keep integrity and respect for Coach Bowden and gracefully pass the torch to Jimbo. It’s classy and well-scripted.
As for Chuck, maybe he can go find a High School to coach.
by NoleLaw on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is pretty apparent his Noles are in good hands already
Jimbo knows what he is doing.
Staying on another year in unnecessary and costly for this university. His integrity is long gone and he will not be back and nor should he.
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Bobby's refusal to hang it up is due to uncertainty that the program is in "good hands"?
You don’t know the man very well.
by The K-Man on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
I think that is how the press will characterize it. I think he is hanging on for two reasons. First, I think he doesn’t know what he’ll do without being on the sidelines on Saturdays. Second, I think he feels entitled to a certain level of respect for having built this program. He doesn’t want the headlines to be “Bowden gets chased out just like his son Jeff”. He feels entitled to make the call to quit his own. Jimbo’s buyout clause doesn’t kick in until 2011. BB expected to coach until then so long as he didn’t have unexpected health problems. He began this season with that timeframe in mind and he is sticking to it.
by NoleLaw on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would hate to see bobby go out with a season like this one
but i dont think that will happen. with the new defensive staff coming in next year along with basically the entire offense from this year, next season would be a much better year for him to go out on.
great chance to win the division next year but it is all dependent on how smooth the shift is from the current defensive staff to the next
by fsu9310 on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This website actually tries hard for everyone to be allowed their own opinion.
Many of the people, including the owner of the site disagrees, true, but we still welcome anyone who isn’t just trolling.
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've gotta understand
Chuck Amato is a terrible football coach at this point. If there’s one thing you can bet on, it is that he will be fired in December.
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by DKfromVA on Nov 4, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep CTC around to make sure the lockers aren't messy
Locker room coordinator?
by CSI Nole on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are forgetting a couple of things...
First, when Jeff was here, we had Kevin Steele coaching the LBs. Our LB play was much more consistent then (Sims, Buster Davis, Michael Boulware, etc). That has gone bye-bye now thanks to Chesty. Second, this was also before the tragic events involving Mickey’s son, i.e. when Mickey still cared and was devoted 100% to Seminole football. Since that time, I believe he just doesn’t care as much and has been mailing it in. This has impacted the Secondary (who Andrews coaches directly) and the entire defense as a whole.
I am not sure what to think when reading your posts as a whole. I don’t know whether to take you seriously or not. Part of me thinks you are a Gator in sheep’s clothing and you are somehow getting some enjoyment out of this…
by Pinto on Nov 3, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How long was Kevin Steele here? Is he in Alabama? Lol! He was a great coach for us. Our linebackers have not been the problem. We have problems on the DL and the secondary.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is actually the DC that will give our offense fits this weekend
Our linebacker are BIG problem.
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 3, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I know where he is…. He was good.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then lets revisit a previous statement
He knows that if you want to succeed then you hire the finest assistants!!!!!!
But just not retain them? Oh that’s right he gave Amato his job, how did that work out?
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hated to see Kevin go…. He really was good. He left cause Mickey was here and the big offer came from Alabama.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He would have stayed had Chuck not got in the way
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish… He only signed a year contract and I think he came just to have a job. He left Alabama because of the style of coaching from Nick. I think Kevin is from South Carolina.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying he was only at FSU 1 year?
“Steele spent four seasons as executive head coach and linebackers coach at Florida State under Bobby Bowden (2003-06), helping the Seminoles to three top 25 finishes and two ACC Championships.”
by Pinto on Nov 4, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He was to be groomed to be the next DC, but Bobby’s loyalty to the worthless POS that is Chuck Amato put a stop to that.
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
U r right…I was thinkin something and typing something else.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a huge fan of this program and I hope nothing but the best and I enjoy reading and the conversations…. We all want to win! I want to win with Bobby!
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 3, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not possible.
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Nov 4, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a true Seminole fan, no doubt.
Anybody who wants to retain both Bowden and Amato prove that they care about FSU, win or lose. Emphasis on the latter.
by The K-Man on Nov 4, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone wants Bobby out?
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mike a simple request. Please use the "reply" at the bottom of comments to keep conversations threaded properly as opposed to a new comment each time.
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol….I wanted to see how many folks respond.
I want FSU to keep Bobby.............He is FLORIDA STATE>
by mikeflynn on Nov 4, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he is Florida State
I want TN to ban mikeflynn.............He is AN IDIOT>
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You want someone to be banned for having an opinion that is different than yours?
and to show that you want him banned, you are breaking the rules in the community guidelines by directly using insults?
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Apologies
I became extremly frustrated yesterday with many new people who signed up and started making opinions without fully exploring the site to understand where our reasoning comes from.
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you come off as if someone pissed in your cup of joe this morning
Just saying…
by CSI Nole on Nov 4, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Jimbo in
I’m OK with Bobby staying one more year however.
The old guard (CTC, JA, etc.) needs to be gone and Jimbo needs to be allowed to hire his defensive staff.
by GrassyNole on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New FEI Rankings
How the defense moved up 6 spots is beyond me. But kudos to Jimbo and the O for now being ranked #3.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/statistics/fei-ratings/2009
by RaysnNoles on Nov 4, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
does anyone have Miami's DFEI rating last year?
I would imagine it was pretty bad… this year they are ranked 9. With a new DC and comparable athletes as Miami, I wouldn’t mind that kind of turnaround next year.
by noles 4 life u dig? on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I found a convienant drop down box.
In 2008 Miami had the 65 ranked DFEI and now sit at the 9th best. So not a big of a one year jump as I was hoping for. But 56 spots isn’t too shabby.
FYI, Fsu had the 23rd randed DFEI last year and now is currently 98th ( with spiller and UF to go). That’s 75 spots in the wrong direction really fast….
by noles 4 life u dig? on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I truely believe FSU's jump could be much bigger....
Into the 40s…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say it's much easier to move up from the 90s to the 40s
than it is from the 65 to 9
kindof like going from 25 wins to 40 wins in the NBA one year isn’t that difficult a jump, but going from 40 to 55 is a huge jump.
by RishiM on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so how bout
bowden having the final say on the new DC. i know it says fishers input will be ‘heavily’ weighted but that kinda makes me nervous. what do all you guys think about that?
by fsu9310 on Nov 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i thought the same about the defense in games
like they had the mindset “well damn if we do give up the score, our offense has our backs, so its all good…”
its a shame a defense with so much talented players look just so unorganized.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
by jfree on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea
sure is a bummer – new DC coming though!
by fsu9310 on Nov 6, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correction--
new defensive STAFF coming!
by wnc_nole on Nov 6, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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