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Will Bowden retire Tuesday? Here's the latest .....


This report comes from FSUncensored ....

As has been widely reported, Bobby Bowden said at today's luncheon that his future at FSU will be addressed at a Tuesday press conference and that it will be "his decision."

My sources say Bowden wasn't given a legitimate option to return and they believe he will retire. Bowden will make it look like it was his decision. He doesn't agree with it but is very prideful and won't be embarrassed. He is definitely not all there in his advanced age. As I indicated yesterday, there was simply no way the powers-that-be could let someone in his current condition continue to make football decisions.

If he was coming back he would have announced it today --  in front of a few hundred boosters/friends. He wouldn't need press conference to announce it. Also, they wouldn't set a specific date if a decision wasn't already made.

This has all been in the works since September after the USF game/BC sideline circus/homecoming 35k empty seats debacle. Bowden might not have believed it, but his people knew of it. Big boosters told the FSU administration they wouldn't support an incompetent and they were especially concerned about Bowden's diminished mental capacity.

There was some talk of Bowden being offered an opportunity to return as a ceremonial head coach with no powers but I believe that after he rejected it in early September, the offer was off the table. People close to Bowden indicate that even though he needs the money, he is too prideful to coach under those terms.

Again, based on the information I have received, I believe Bowden will retire, that the decision has been made and that all that remains is discussing how much extra cash he will receive on top of his guaranteed $1 million. At this time I am unsure if he will welcome the ambassador role to help FSU boosters raise extra money in exchange for money.

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Well at least the decision is soon

We can not have this crap go on much further. Go Noles!

Go Noles!!

by AbeFroman21 on Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

clarification:

i know most of the details are ironed out but will bobby blast FSU on the way out the door?

by B-rod24 on Nov 30, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Severance package

Since the package is reported to be bigger than what is bound by his current contract I would assume that part of it is a confidentially clause. You get 3 or 4 million to leave, but if you or your family run your yap you will have to pay it all back.

by osceolafan850 on Nov 30, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

there are ways to get around that though

back door meetings with the media, etc.

either way it wont hurt us at all.

by B-rod24 on Nov 30, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

True but

If it comes from an undisclosed source it won’t hurt the way it would coming from Bowden openly.

by osceolafan850 on Nov 30, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't talk much about this topic... but given the dysfunction surrounding this coaching regime for the past 9 years or so...

who’s to say that there aren’t people out there who would have just as much ammunition to blast Bobby Bowden?

Maybe an expose of some sorts.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

true

does amato get the same deal?

by B-rod24 on Nov 30, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, nevermind.

Let Amato talk. THAT would be amusing.

by TRMNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i doubt amato wants to draw any attention to himself

he knows that he’s a complete joke and im guessing he wants to keep his theft of fsu money/performance on the down-low

by 000111 on Nov 30, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt people would pay to read a book about Chuck Amato.

But people would read about the rise and fall of the Bowden Empire.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Amato still wants to coach

So he won’t burn any bridges if he wants to look like head coach material, or at least coordinator material.

http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/

by GonzoNole on Nov 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget, FSU will get this right. (cough)

Besides, no one will care what a disgruntled ex-employee has to say, well-made-up cross-dresser or not. But seriously, let’s just get through tomorrow. I for one won’t sleep tonight.

by TRMNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, we know it's coming.

Maybe we can use the funds from the payback account.

by TRMNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s hope this happens. Alabama righted the ship pretty quickly. We are in better shape then they were when Saban took the helm. We need to go young and aggressive with the defensive staff.

by Top Wop on Nov 30, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

50 years old is 17 years younger than Andrews..

Take that for what it’s worth…

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Nov 30, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not get carried away

If Sunseri is hired, he won’t be the ONLY coach on our staff. I would expect some respectable/younger assistants (position coaches).

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully Travis Jones

Don’t know if a position coach spot is enough to lure him away from the pros

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI

Charlie Strong is 49…

just saying

by Pinto on Nov 30, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Charie deserves a head coaching position

Hell, I’d say ND, though they don’t deserve him, would be a good program for him to go to.

The Gator’s D has been pretty dominate and someone should consider him for HC (maybe a big 10 school as d-fense is easier to establish in B-10 than O; would give him a better shot for success)

by Trus1te on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumors have him going to Louisville

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 30, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Great news

But I won’t get my hopes up too much until it’s publicly announced.

by sealclubber on Nov 30, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Same two options as always

FSUN had been saying Bowden’s options were to give power to Jimbo or retire. My money had been on walking away with those two options. Couldn’t see Bowden being a stranger on his own staff.

by osceolafan850 on Nov 30, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

best news of the year

but how on earth does bowden really need the money?
years of nice sized contracts, plus a million dollar kicker -

how much can a new golf cart possibly cost?

by 000111 on Nov 30, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

There is a rumor that he paid 11 million in legal fees to keep his son out of prison

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I paid around 2,000 for a traffic case once

I will never underestimate how much legal fees can run again

by osceolafan850 on Nov 30, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

People pay a lot to stay out of prison

I am sure there was some retribution/damages included in there

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn

thats sad, which Bowden was it?

by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder

If it was the same deal that the host from Southern Sports Tonight went down for, that show was great and horrible at the same time.

by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Aww we were doing great until you brought up Scott McKinney.

Every time I would go back to Pensacola I’d call my friends and we’d mock SST for how dumb they were regarding anything but Alabama football.

I seriously wanted to take that job for awhile. I knew I could be better than that garbage. From what I heard last week, it’s worse now. But at least it’s on a smaller station that I don’t have to pick up while I’m home.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

omg that show is so ridiculous.

They spent 5 minutes last Tuesday arguing about whether or not Matt Grothe should come back for 1 more year at USF.

Yeah.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So he's the one they DON'T talk about

because, you know, the others are so awesome

by PhillyNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t buy the 11 million number. You could set up your own law firm for that LOL

by 38Noles on Nov 30, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Im in lawschool now

talking with some friends who are done already….more than a reachable number. Good lawyers make hella scratch man.

by Miaminole on Nov 30, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

There is a reason Donte Stallworth is not in prison for homocide

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, he said homocide. jk

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I take part of that back-

I don’t know if there was actually a trial, although 11 million bucks for a trial worth no more than 10 million is ridiculous.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-85878503.html

More importantly, I don’t need to look up restitution in my Blacks. The maximum restitution award in that case was $4.3 million. Over a million of that would have gone back to Bobby, which he forwent. Even under the most generous calculations, you can’t double count that.

by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So you don't think there could have been 5-6 million in lawyer and court fees?

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

In a word

No-

Actual restitution ordered was 1.26 million. Assuming that Bobby paid or ate the entire 4.3 million dollars sought, that leaves 6 million dollars in legal fees . . . Given the size and difficulty of the issues, 6 million.

I’ll go on pacer and take a look at the docket and see if I change my mind.

by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Notes on the case

Filed on 1/31/03
Terminated on 10/17/03.

I can’t pull the actual documents for some reason.

by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Either way, I don't think he is sitting on the nest egg that everyone thinks he has

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly wasn't opining that money isn't an issue

I was just taking exception to the idea that this particular incident somehow cost 11 million dollars in attorneys fees, court costs, and restitution.

by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe he also lost a lot of money in the "investment" itself

it was like a Ponzi scheme or something. I don’t recall the actual details but think Bernie Madoff…

Also there were some condos on Pan City Beach that went bad…

by Pinto on Nov 30, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

He lost about 1 million.

As far as the condos- that is mixing and matching. We are talking about 11 million dollars to the Ponzi.

by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Our legal system is a joke...

the only ones who benefit are the vulturous lawyers who make cash hand over fist.

When we were recruiting Terrell Pryor we always hoped he'd help us take down Ohio State... and he did!

by gradiology on Nov 30, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the golf cart. Could be all blinged out, ya know?

by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Nov 30, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Schad on ESPN

Won’t say what his opinion on Bowden’s future is because the ESPN guys are clueless on that part, but Schad says he was told by someone close to Bowden that FSU is making it hard on him the way a company makes it hard on a CEO when they want him to just leave. If Bowden was the CEO the Shareholders would have had him removed long ago. Insane how he and his people just don’t see how horrible a job he has been doing.

by osceolafan850 on Nov 30, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

fingers crossed

please let this be the end of the Bowden era

by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 30, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Tomorrow is going to be a great day.

by Nolebra Kai on Nov 30, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

If he does (thankfully) retire, let's show a bit of class

and not stomp on the man’s grave. Just because he was stubborn and not letting go of program doesn’t mean we can’t show class and respect and let him end things somewhat gracefully.

As difficult as it has been this decade, the man deserves at least that much.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

No stomping.

I plan on spitting and peeing.

JK.

Maybe.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Even I agree with this. Well, I might take 24 hours to stomp on it.

by 38Noles on Nov 30, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I will probably praise Jesus

make a big show of it, then calm down and thank Bobby on my facebook newsfeed.

by Miaminole on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope. Maybe I'm wrong

But I’m anxious for the announcement. Mickey’s was sad for an entirely different reason than Bobby’s. Mickey’s was sentimental. Bobby’s . . . more sickening and comical to those who don’t care. I’ve been infuriated with this man for quite some time now. Maybe if there’s some huge ceremony highlighting the glory of FSU past i’ll feel a slight twinge. Otherwise, GTFO.

by truenole87 on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a chance to go out on a high note

I have ZERO respect for that man anymore

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you

I’ve been slowly losing respect for the man over the years, starting with the Jeff Bowden fiasco. What started as losing a trickle of respect at a time has now turned into a full-on gush. The floodgates have opened.

by Pinto on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think the restraint will be there just as Frank said.

by jasonole59 on Nov 30, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen...

I will be the first to voice my opinion about wanting Bobby to leave, as I have been saying to those close to me ever since 2003 when I first realized how bad of a hire Jeff Was. However when he does leave that chapter will finally be over and we will have to be thankful of the past and hopeful for the future. There will be no more reason to call for his head as he will be gone and we can move on with class, even though he has shown little class himself by hanging around as long as he has. Bobby hope you have a wonderful time putting up with Ann in your retirement.

by BS37FSU on Nov 30, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

+1.

I was wondering how to say the same thing.

You did it for me.

by FiestaNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll try not to celebrate too loudly.

At least, I think you all won’t be able to hear me down in Florida.

by PhillyNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ann is still running her mouth

From Heather D’s ACC blog today:

I spoke with Bowden’s wife, Ann, last week, and she told me that FSU officials would be “foolish to cut off all relations with Bobby.” “If they don’t let him have one more year,” she said, “he’ll cut the ties.”

The more I watch this thing play out, the more I think Bobby’s PR folks are encouraging her to do this, or at least giving her the leeway to keep talking to reporters. That way Bobby can keep up his image and she can be the bad cop. I think it is backfiring on them, but they are too proud to back down.

It really doesn’t surprise me, when I was living in Tally, I used to hear stories about how entitled she felt and how unappreciative she was of everything that Bobby’s fame had brought her. I always wondered if it was merely gossip but now I’m inclined to believe she has always been this way.

by WBisaNOLE on Nov 30, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

She is just pissed her piggy bank is about to run dry

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Cut the ties?

That’s even better news. We need a completely fresh start, untained by Bowden, his disciples, and his supporters.

I say we rename it “Jim Smith Field”. :)

by FiestaNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

-1

I think having him talk at Booster clubs and sit in the President’s Suite on game day are things we should hope happen. But if his crazy ass wife gets her way he’ll never be heard from again.

by tricknole on Nov 30, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't want to back FSU after he retires

He wants to be “neutral”

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

She’s just a loose cannon. You can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the girl.

by mudra on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It is almost over.

When will an announcement be made that Amato and Allen are canned?

by Florida_State on Nov 30, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly, if Florida State wants to make an impact (ROFLMFAO - why do I keep doing that?), there need to be two scrolls on ESPN tomorrow:

“FSU head coach Bobby Bowden announces retirement, will coach FSU’s bowl game”

“FSU head-coach-in-waiting Jimbo Fisher will immediately become FSU’s head coach after bowl game; announces there will be ‘significant’ staff changes”

by TRMNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How bitter is Bowden at this point?

Any chance he wouldn’t return for the bowl game if it’s a quality opponent, to try to hand Jimbo Fisher a probable loss?

by GoGators15 on Nov 30, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't put anything past him at this point

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That wouldn't benefit him at all. Him coming off as a bitter old man would not help him at all.

Even if he’s completely bitter and pissed off, you won’t see it publicly.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Nov 30, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I want Amato and Allen to show up for work on Wednesday morning and let Jimbo go off on them with a firing that would make Ari Gold blush.

by 38Noles on Nov 30, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Source: Bowden to take Notre Dame job.

See how official complete lies appear when you put the word “source” in front of them?

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

If you're going to do nothing but troll, you can feel free to return to your own board.

And you guys can pat each other on the back for beating your worthless schedule while you wait for your coach to die.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

all apologies

I was just being sarcastic and providing some apparently unfunny wit to the equation. No intention to troll.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry.

I thought you were doubting the validity of what our site had posted.

If not, please forgive me for the less than warm welcoming to our site.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I take what you say as credible

I can see where there might have been a misunderstanding. Your sites postings have always been exhaustively researched and passionate.

…and our schedule was worthless, so no argument here. Our 10-2 season was as satisfying as air-flavored ice cream.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Source: Beano Cook Says Holtz will be OC for Bowden

Cook commented through is attorney at his criminial trial for fondling ND recruits.

http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/

by GonzoNole on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

God damnit

Don’t even joke about that

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Turn it into a PDF and you’ll increase the authority even more.

by lul on Nov 30, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Bowden needs the money?

Can someone expands on why BB needs the money? The guys been getting payed $2+ million every year for almost a decade now, what has been doing with his money?

 He’s not a young rapper spending it all on cars, booze, drugs, and women.

Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.

by malweka on Nov 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Legal fees for him and others. Taxes. Bad investments. Supporting multiple grown children at the standard of living to which they were accustomed.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What does accustomed mean?

They grew up in Tallahassee. His kids are not the Hiltons. Three of his sons make plenty of money. He could not be held responsible for paying any restitution for his one sons mistakes. There is no way he has paid for anything in Tallahassee other than groceries. He has whored himself out to every local Florida add campaign.

by Top Wop on Nov 30, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be fooled by Tennessee street and frenchtown

Money talks in Tallahassee just like every other city in America.

by truenole87 on Nov 30, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m not connecting the dots from Top Wop’s comment to yours.

by tricknole on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Mainly the “money talks” part. Eh, don’t worry about it.

by tricknole on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Meaning rich people in Tallahassee can buy and enjoy a nice lifestyle

Just as they can anywhere else. The currency is the same. Cash is cash. I don’t know what else to tell you.

by truenole87 on Nov 30, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know if it is legit or not

Bobby Bowden Won’t Retire Due to $11 Million in Legal Fees

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

what is the basis of "Bowden needs money"?

Doods, ya can’t keep sayin’ this without at least a newspaper article or a court docket or, or anything! The errant son wasn’t that errant.

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Nov 30, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

The Florida Times-Union Article- Can't find a direct link (this was posted on a sports gambling site)

The Florida Times-Union

August 2, 2005

Tackling troubles — together

By MIKE FREEMAN
The Times-Union

Case number CR-03-BE-55-S: The United States of America v. R. Stephen Bowden.

People said Steve Bowden, the eldest son of football coaching legend Bobby Bowden, was a crook. People called him a two-bit con man. The truth, of course, is much more complicated. The case is less about a Bowden boy gone bad than it is a father and son trying to help one another.

An Alabama man named James Michael Hanks, while working for others, recruited Brian Burgdorf, a former Alabama quarterback, and Steve as sub-promoters of The Millennium Fund, billed as an investment chance for the privileged few, according to the government.

A joint investigation by the FBI, the IRS Criminal Investigation Bureau and the Alabama Securities Commission resulted in indictments alleging that the three men and three others conspired to offer and sell unregistered securities to 14 residents of Alabama, Florida and Tennessee, a document from the Alabama commission states.

The investigation found that between June 1996 and July 1998, the investors were directed to transfer more than $10 million to Chateau Forte Consortium, the alleged manager of the fund; Trust Services, a Panamanian offshore trust firm; and/or Private Asset Management S.A., a Panamanian brokerage firm, in exchange for stock in the fund, the document states.

In effect, the government alleged, it was a Ponzi scheme. The fund guaranteed a 14 percent return, government lawyers said, from a fictitious source.

“It was a scam, plain and simple,” says Adolph Dean, an assistant U.S. attorney in Birmingham, Ala., who handled the case.

Steve had recruited the Bowden men. At one point, Terry, Tommy and Bobby flew with Steve to Panama, according to Dean, for what he says was a fancy presentation high on gloss but thin on facts.

“Bobby was eventually supposed to be the hook to get other investors,” Dean says.

Throughout the process, Bobby continually emphasized to Steve that the fund needed to be proper.

“Steve, be sure it’s legal,” he told his son. “I cannot afford to get my name into something. If there’s any taint to it, it’s going to be all over the country.”

Bobby and daughter Ginger’s husband, John Madden, invested in the fund. But not all the Bowdens were convinced it was legitimate.

Terry, the more street-smart brother, also was a lawyer and much tougher to fool. Tommy had his doubts as well.

Jeff Bowden (right), shown in a stern talk with his father, Florida State head football coach Bobby Bowden, has been criticized by fans and others about his Seminoles offense. “He is always very quiet about what is happening at Florida State,” sister Robyn says. Associated Press -———————————————————————-

“If you notice, Terry and Tommy did not put any money into it,” Dean says. “What does that tell you? My opinion is that they knew what was happening. But Bobby wanted to help his son.”

Actually, it was a combination of the two men wanting to help each other. Bobby has long been concerned about whether he and Ann would have enough money in retirement. You never forget the sting of coming from the other side of the tracks, as Bobby likes to say.

In the end, Bobby suspended disbelief so his son, as Dean says, “would have a place at the table with the big boys in the investment business.”

And Steve might have been trying to show people he could be as successful off the football field as his brothers were on it.

When Steve later spoke to the court, records show he said: “It looked to me at that time as a wonderful opportunity to show my family and friends that, by golly, I can be successful financially and professionally in whatever I choose to set my hand to. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a hand as heavy as a lead balloon, and it caused a lot of grief and a lot of anguish and a lot of loss.”

Several times after the 2003 indictment, Dean talked with the Bowdens and was so overwhelmed by their unity and sincerity, he began to enjoy speaking with them. He talked football with Bobby — favorite victories, Deion Sanders stories — and noticed something many people do when they come to know the Bowdens.

“The women are incredibly strong,” Dean says. “The men may be the coaches, but the women are the bosses.”

“Bobby made me feel like a part of their family,” he says. "It was genuine, too. I liked them a lot, to be honest.

“I really can’t say what the intent of Steve was. I do know what Bobby’s intent in the whole thing was. It was to help his son. Intuitively, the deal probably sounded strange to Bobby. But he wanted to be a dad to his son. He wanted him to be successful. He wanted his boy at the table.”

In the end, Bobby lost a total of $1.6 million, while all investors lost $10 million total, according to court records.

THE SERIES

Ties that bind

Sunday: How Bobby and Ann Bowden have dealt with success, criticism, tragedy and each other during 56 years of marriage and where both stand on Bobby’s coaching future.

Monday: The inside story of Terry Bowden’s tumultuous tenure as Auburn football coach, and older brother Tommy’s resilience as the head man at Clemson.

Today: The huge cost of Steve Bowden’s involvement in a fraudulent investment scheme, the gnawing cries of nepotism against FSU assistant Jeff, the frustrations of the oldest Bowden child, Robyn, and the family’s most unifying moment of all.

Steve pleaded guilty and faced a maximum of 41 months in prison and restitution totaling $4.3 million but, because he and the Bowden family were so cooperative, in October 2003 he was sentenced to six months of home detention and one year of probation, court records show. Steve also was ordered to pay $1.26 million in restitution.

At his sentencing, the Bowden family was there in full force, backing Steve. Sister Ginger, a prosecutor herself, stood up and made a passionate plea for his freedom.

“I have tremendous respect, your honor, for the law,” she told the court in previously unreported remarks, “for the belief that the law applies to all men and that no man is above the law, not my brother, not myself, not anyone else. And with that said, I want this court to know that I know, and that my family knows, Steve to be an honest and honorable man, that he’s been devastated by the ugly turn of events, that he’s agonized over the fact that he may have somehow encouraged others to invest in what’s now known to be a fraudulent fund.”

Bobby also spoke at length.

“As tight as our family is … I mean, there’s no way any of my children would scam or swindle me,” he said.

“Steve still manages my money,” Bowden told the court. “He and I are building a lot of condos down in the Destin area, and he manages it … I guess the point I’m trying to bring out is that I have not lost one bit of confidence or trust or faith in him whatsoever during this.”

When it was his turn, Steve took full responsibility for what he did in an eloquent speech. Family members say Steve is the most gifted communicator of them all.

“As difficult as it’s been this past nine months to look at the charges against me and think that can’t be me they’re talking about,” he told the court, “or to read the newspapers and know that the reputation I spent so many years building up has just dissipated like a vapor in the wind, and I can never grab it and claim it back again, because most of the people that will ever know my name will know me as the guy who stole $1.6 million from his father.”

Says Dean: “All in all,I don’t get upset about Steve getting probation. Did he know what was going on? Probably. Did he do it with malice? Probably not. Did he try to rip off his daddy? Probably not. He’s no innocent, but he’s no great criminal, either.”

No Bowden child is ever excommunicated. Steve had apologized profusely to Bobby and Ann, and they never believed he intentionally stole from anyone, let alone them.

Perhaps the judge, Karon O. Bowdre, capsulized the family’s post-trial reaction best during the sentencing of Steve:

“You are indeed fortunate to have a strong family that supports you in this matter,” she said, according to a court transcript, “and I know that with the support of your family and with the faith in God that you and your family have that you will weather this storm, and you will come through stronger as a result. It’s hard at this point to see that, but I am confident that that will be the result.”

So the family moved on, still close, still trusting.

So much so that Steve still handles his parents’ finances and investments.

Ginger

“Ginger is a very strong person. She got up at 5 a.m. to study. Took the kids to school. Went to her law classes. Then the library in the afternoon. Then she’d pick up the kids and spend the early evening with them. Passed the Florida Bar the first time she took it. She loves being a mother.”

— Ann Bowden

Ginger’s rush to Steve’s side that day she spoke on his behalf in court soon was reciprocated in what could be the greatest unifying moment for the Bowdens.

At 5:47 p.m. on Sept. 5, 2004, John Allen Madden, Ginger’s former husband, and their son, 16-year-old Bowden Madden, were in their 1993 BMW, driving westbound on Interstate 10. The highway was slick with standing water from the final breaths of Hurricane Frances.

John and Bowden Madden’s vehicle was in the outside lane, a police report states, and a 2002 Dodge van driven by Larry Maines was in the inside lane. Madden, for unknown reasons, the report says, veered left into the Dodge carrying Maines and his wife, Margaret. The left side of Madden’s car struck the right front of the van.

“I heard a thump and, before I know it, I was sliding across the highway,” Larry Maines said in a recent telephone interview.

Both vehicles slid across the median into the eastbound lane, according to the police report. A medium-size utility truck traveling 45 mph missed Maines’ car by 18 inches and crashed into Madden’s. The entire accident took less than 20 seconds.

Emergency services arrived at the scene at 5:59 p.m. One minute later, both John and Bowden Madden were dead, the police report states.

Later that night, three officers approached the home of Bobby and Ann, where Ginger and her family had been visiting. When Ginger answered the door, she says, the officers asked for Bobby. After she informed them her father was asleep, one of them, standing in the back, asked, “Are you Ginger?” She then was told about the accident.

Ginger was devastated, but she was comforted by a family that was by her side in a matter of hours.

Bobby and Ann also were horrified. When Bobby was interviewed on ESPN about the accident and asked how he was coping, he responded, “Every unoccupied minute of the day.” He then almost cried.

Terry was watching the broadcast and thought to himself: “That’s the first time I’ve seen him like that.”

“That was awful,” Bobby says. “One of the worst experiences I’ve ever had. To see it happen. To see my daughter as patrolmen come up to my house and tell her. That’s something I’ll never get over and she’ll never get over. But she has to go on with life because that’s the way life is. It was a big lesson right there. We are all going to go one of these days. Everybody thinks someone else is going to go. ‘I ain’t gonna die. Y’all are.’ There are reminders of that like this, unfortunately.”

Ann was consumed with why it happened — not the technical causes of the accident, but why it was allowed to happen, particularly since one of the victims was so young.

“Mom, it doesn’t matter why it happened,” Ginger told her. “It just happened.”

Ginger sought her own answers as she had a consuming desire to understand the cause of the accident. She spoke to each of the witnesses and developed her own theory: that an intense wind event from the hurricane remnants caused John to lose control of the vehicle.

Ginger has the tenacity and openness of her father, the high intelligence and sophistication of her brother, Steve, and the emotional freedom of Ann. She remembers how soon after the accident, she made a pact to herself that she would not curse God or any person. She would understand that, unfortunately, these type of things happen to many families.

“I was not going to say, ‘Why me?’” she explains.

While no parent is ever ready for such a horror, Ginger’s toughness helped her.

Early on, she viewed the college football world through an entirely different prism than her brothers. The game took her father away for much of her childhood. He rarely saw Ginger perform in her plays or music recitals.

When she was 13 and the family lived in West Virginia, she once answered the phone and heard a caller make a death threat against her father. As a child, she also saw Bobby hung in effigy.

She watched how hard her father worked and duplicated that ethic. Her organizational skills, strength and sense of independence became legendary within the family.

At 17, Ginger began working as a secretary in a Tallahassee law firm, which sparked her interest in law. Like her parents, she married at a young age, when she was 20.

Bobby loaned Ginger $1,500 to take the LSAT and the accompanying preparatory courses. She insisted on paying him back and attempted to do so. He insisted on tearing up the check.

After the accident, the phone lines burned up within the Bowden family. Bobby phoned the children, reaching Robyn around 12:15 a.m. She packed the car immediately and drove to Bobby and Ann’s. The rest of the kids arrived as quickly as they could, by car or by plane.

Ginger never was without a Bowden by her side.

In one of many instances of her steadfastness during that time, Maines says Ginger phoned his wife about one week after the accident to express her sympathy for any injuries they suffered.

“She was very classy,” Maines says. “She was also very sorry. At one point, it seemed like she was simply seeking answers about what happened. The one thing we made sure to tell her was that there would be no lawsuit from us. She had been through enough.”

Robyn and Jeff

“She’s a lot like me. She’s very open. Very friendly. Everyone loves Robyn. She’s very sweet. Teaches elementary school. Attractive. Not overly aggressive but a strong defender of the family, like the other children.”

“Jeff is an outdoorsman. Likes to fish. Good golfer. He’s got his personality, and he’s a little bit rough around the edges. Sensitive person. He has handled his job very well because he has had a lot of criticism.”

— Ann Bowden

She loves the family business, she hates the family business.

Robyn has seen the coaching profession from all sides. She is the oldest daughter of a famous coach, the sister of three coaching brothers, and the wife of Jack Hines, an assistant coach at Clemson under Tommy.

At 54, Robyn has closely watched how the college football world works, on the field and off. She enjoys the competition and camaraderie of the team sport but despises what she believes has been an increase in fan hostility toward coaches, a meaner media and a nasty talk-radio culture.

When she once heard a radio talk-show host blast Bobby for being a disloyal cad because he departed West Virginia for FSU decades ago, Robyn was so infuriated that she almost called the station. Instead, she called Ann to commiserate.

“I hate it, too, but this is just part of the life,” Ann told her.

Says Robyn: "The animosity of fans and some people in the media has gotten so much worse over the past 10 or 20 years. I don’t know how my father and brothers and husband put up with it. I’m to the point where I’m tired of the hassle and watching my family get hassled, and I want them all to get out of coaching.

“Fans are much more vocal now than they have ever been,” Robyn adds. “It’s because they think they have more inside information because of things like the Internet and instant replay. Every fan has a little bit of knowledge, but a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.”

Her son once considered going into the family business. “Then he decided against it,” Robyn says, “and I can’t tell you how happy I am.”

Robyn has long been a protector of her siblings. As the oldest, she was assigned by her parents to look after the kids while Bobby was away at practice or when Ann had to run errands.

While Robyn is quick to point out how much she loves football, her desire to insulate her brothers and sisters has not been lost. Bring up the topic of Jeff, and her blood boils.

It seems it is Jeff’s turn to go through The Bowden Process. Yet the harsh criticism Jeff has endured as Florida State’s offensive coordinator is slightly different from what Bobby, Tommy and Terry survived. Fans are blasting Jeff because they believe he has his job solely because his father is the coach.

The Miami Herald reported that after last season, when the Seminoles averaged 23-year lows in yards per game and points averaged, FSU administrators, powerful trustees and former players attempted to persuade Bobby to fire his son. He refused.

After all, Bobby had stood by former coordinator Mark Richt when Seminoles fans called for his firing, bombarded his office and home with nasty letters and phone calls, and started the Evict Richt Club. Bobby says he actually lost friends over his insistence on keeping Richt. So if Bobby was going to be loyal to Richt, he was going to stand by his son.

It has not been easy, however. ESPN analyst and former Seminoles player Lee Corso, after FSU barely beat North Carolina State last year, called the offense the worst he has seen at that school in 50 years. Signs popped up at games that read “Send Jeff To UF.”

A Web site, hirejeffbowden.com, sarcastically asks another school to take him off FSU’s hands.

“Jeff Bowden is a young coach that is currently toiling in his legendary father’s shadow at Florida State University,” the site states. “Unfortunately for Jeff, at FSU he will never be more than ‘that other Bowden.’ For this reason and others on these pages, we ask that you support our effort to help Jeff land a head coaching position somewhere where he can gain his own identity.”

Jeff has the perfect personality to deal with the pressure. He possesses a cool temperament and has bought into Bobby’s philosophy that if it’s your choice to enter the family business, you have no right to complain.

When Robyn sees Jeff at family functions or speaks to him on the phone, “he is always very quiet about what is happening at Florida State. He never talks about it. He never shows any lack of control or acts angry.”

For Robyn, normally the mediator, diplomacy is difficult.

“Why is it an unspoken rule in our society,” she asks, “that if you work for your family or you parents, you automatically can’t be any good?”

Says Ann: “Jeff gets criticized, but everything he does is at Bobby’s direction But people can’t go after Bobby, so they go after Jeff.”

Adds Terry: “They are hitting him in ways that are unfair. When you say someone is not qualified, that’s just rough. Plus, he’s been offensive coordinator for four years of Chris Rix, and that’s been a struggle. But he’s not going through any worse than what I went through, or Tommy or Dad.”

Terry has handled the attacks on Jeff with his typical humor. Last season, during his radio show, he had listeners call in and vote if Jeff should be fired or kept.

“You’re not going to break my father,” he told listeners, “so if you need to vent, do it here.”

It is an uncomfortably steamy day in July as many of the Bowden clan gather on a Panama City beach for their annual family reunion. Ann is there. Ginger and Terry are there. Robyn is there, and Tommy is reclined on comfortable beach chair. The grandkids are there, everywhere. Bobby bolted for the golf course hours ago.

The Bowdens are celebrities. Everyone seated near them on the beach knows who they are, and the family is always accommodating to the occasional autograph seeker or Seminoles fan. That is part of the family’s charm. The Bowdens are approachable and kind.

The night before, 31 members of the Bowden party went to dinner at a local seafood restaurant. The bill came to about $1,200. There was plenty of laughing, talking and, most of all, doing what they do best — being a family.

“We don’t profess to be perfect,” Ann says. “Things have not been perfect for us. We’ve had tough things happen in our lives and our children’s lives. But we’ve been very fortunate in so many ways, and we’re appreciative of that. No one in this family ever forgets that, and we are always there for each other. That’s the bottom line.”

by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

ban the boob poster guy

Gawd, I had forgotten what some southerners were like since leaving the south, southern California included. Ban that dude.

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Error Correction

Error:

Big boosters told the FSU administration they wouldn’t support and incompetent and they were especially concerned about Bowden’s diminished mental capacity

Possible Fix:

Big boosters told the FSU administration they wouldn’t support an incompetent coach and they were especially concerned about Bowden’s diminished mental capacity.

Of Course, you could have written it as:

Concerned with upholding a tradition of excellence while honoring FSU’s greatest football coach, the boosters expressed concerns about Bowden’s health and could not stress enough the apparent drop off in his mental health over the past few seasons.

by Trus1te on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

I just want to make sure

That it isn’t written that we are driving out this man.

We are doing the one only good thing we can do to save his legacy: Retire Him

If we did this 5 years ago it would have looked like we were kicking him out.

But not now. Now its about his health, his name and our future.

He is 80. Its just time for a change and its time for him to get its praise where it is due:

In the HISTORY books

by Trus1te on Nov 30, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed Trus1te

We want him out but that could be been said with greater tact.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Gainesville Detailing blog a source of your info?

Bowden hawking Depends old man pee pee pants is a good one however. Good eye, RaysnNoles!

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Nov 30, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

It is about as credible as Bleacher Report

Just putting it out there

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

graffito in an FSU john, mid 80's

“Bobby B, Faith, Family, Football and Ford”
back when he was hawking cars instead of pee pee pants.

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome Osceola666

Just a tip when you are positng, make sure you are replying to the appropriate thread and not starting a new one. It helps to preview before posting.

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

will do

Thanks for the tip. Carelessly switching tabs, getting the site off my screen while chatting with my boss.

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Nov 30, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I wish my boss liked football (or sports of any type, for that matter)

Fortunately one of the secretaries is a Temple grad. So scary that their record was ridiculously better than ND’s or FSU’s this year.

by PhillyNole on Nov 30, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow adulation reminds me of the

“Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning” days of sports broadcasting. Frikn’ lemmings.

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Nov 30, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This needs to be done right with video.

A brilliant post over the weekend called for it. Sadly, I’m close friends with people who are capable of pulling it off at an elite level, but I don’t think it would fit into any of their current schedules. “PERFECT!!!”

by TRMNole on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

GO AWAY, BOBBY

Thank You

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Bowl game???

People are speculating that if Bobby retires, we have a better chance at landing a bid in J’ville/Orlando/Atlanta? It will probably draw a sell out crowd, eh… possibly.

Thoughts?

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

Who cares?

Not to be a smart ass but really, who cares? if people really cared about seeing Bobby they would have showed up this year. I could care less what crappy bowl game we play in.

by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

Even though I won’t support Bobby, I’d be there for the team. I live in Orlando and can’t see myself heading out to Cali for the Nut Bowl.

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Folks will

I won’t. Some bowls are all about $$$

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We can't go to Jax or ATL but the Champs in Orlando is still an option

And for the Champs to hype it as Bobby’s last game would most definitely draw a large crowd. Not to mention any team’s fans would love to get a shot at FSU.

by tricknole on Nov 30, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Atlanta is out of the question

Any other bowl is a possibility

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cheerio Bowl

It’s nice—has pretty flowers on the bottom.We could accommodate about a dozen true fans.

Hi, I’m new to this blog.

Please be kind.

by quagli on Nov 30, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible but I doubt it

Even if the gate was bigger the ratings would be worse. So I guess it depends on which side the bowl committee gave more thought to.

by osceolafan850 on Nov 30, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Music City Bowl vs. UGA

Richt vs. Bowden

I don’t see the other bowls taking on a 6-6 FSU team. Not sure a retiring Bowden would sell out the Citrus Bowl Stadium or any other for that matter

by coonhound on Nov 30, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Where do you think he learned it from?

by coonhound on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

sad

because if he didn’t pick up the Bowden habit he could be up there with UF and Bama every year. Forget friends. Hire coaches.

by truenole87 on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

either vs. UGA or SCar

Bowden vs either Richt or Spurrier

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Those teams just beat GT and Clemson

Not sure we match up well at all.

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh good

Stanford vs our defense

fun

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Their defense is just as bad as ours though

Put it is pretty much a home game for them

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Palo Alto is nearby

F*ck

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ROTFLMAO!!!

Right click, save picture as…

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I did what you said

Then my computer said …..awk….awk…..awk

I had to run and hold it over the toilet bowl.

I’m new. You shouldn’t give me bad advice.

by quagli on Nov 30, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Quoted from Dabo Swinney

Tim Tebow was clearly grabbing the defender’s helmet, and the facemask just happened to be in the way. I see this happen in my son’s peewee games all the time.

by GoGators15 on Nov 30, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it looks like

one of our guy’s hands on Mangum’s neck pulling him back, too. Almost as if to say “get out of the way, you’re embarassing us.”

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 30, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

necessity is the mother of creation

"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 30, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

My respect for Tebow just went up a little lol

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

why did Mangum throw his hands back like…“Vanquished!” Usually when you see a stiffarm, the defenders arms are still attempting to make the tackle.

Perhaps Tebow is using his holiness to exercise the bad play evils from Mangum…

"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 30, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Joy

The green nut bowl. Will Cookie Monster officiate or coach.

I’m new. I have no connections and I don’t know anything.

REC me for be brave enough to try.

by quagli on Nov 30, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Duke, Virginia, Vandy

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

........BYU?

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I regularly see family for Christmas in Charleston

The idea of losing to both Clemson and USCar doesn’t sit well for me at all

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What about

In Charlotte for Meineke v. WVU?

We can both talk about how much fun it was to run him out of town.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see Devine run for 200+ against us

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's God's way of saying we should have sent BB packing sooner

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

or Dieon's

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

well good news

you’d probably only have to watch until half time.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 30, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Twitter/Facebook acct's
Meineke Car Care Bowl Breaking News! Selection committee thinks the ACC team most likely to be in Charlotte this year is either Miami or UNC!

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably UNC at that point

So either Emerald or Music City?

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be...

That was posted about 6 hours ago.

by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw the Chic-fil-A Bowl reps at the GT UGA game

Good chance UGA ends up in that game, though they typically like non-Georgia teams to help fill hotel rooms

by coonhound on Nov 30, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

conventional wisdom is

UGA v. VT in the chik-fil-a.

I hope so, becasue my kid is in the UGA band and we’ll get to see him longer than if he had to fly back for the Music City Bowl.

by FiestaNole on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

End of an Era

Personally, I can’t see how anyone can’t be at least partially sad. It is about to be the end of an era that will never be seen again in college football. EVER. And to some, all so they can start bragging at the water cooler and on-line about our team beating someone else. Some people do not have any idea about the significance of history, tradition, identity or values other than the win/loss column. Shallow in deed.

The only thing I would suggest is to not judge Bobby on recent misguided judgments of his very senior years, but to do so of his career overall and how he has changed many, many lives for the better over the years. And for what he has done for the University as a whole.

Its ironic that we, for right or wrong, judge him against the very standards that he raised well beyond what anyone could have imagined. A record bowl streak still unbroken. No losing seasons since the late 70’s AND while other premier teams have had losing seasons: ND, Michigan, Tennessee, Penn State, Nebraska, etc….

I too believe it’s time to move on, and am very excited about the changes coming, but this is not to be taken lightly imo.

by Blazenole on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The era ended years ago

when he started putting himself before the program by hiring his son and acting like someone who was unaccountable for his actions.

by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not disagreeing

if he thought it was the right decision at the time. I didn’t like it then. All I’m saying is he’s been a better coach than any other in the history of college football and it’s the end of an ERA and that’s a fact.

by Blazenole on Nov 30, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends (haha, pun still intended) on your definition of coach

He was one of the best program builders ever, but we won’t have this debate today.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 30, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nonsense.

We judge any FSU coach not on our past, but what uf and miami are able to do with Florida recruits and a competent coaching staff.

by FiestaNole on Nov 30, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for saying that

Ignoring what he has done for the program is just as silly, to me, as ignoring the damage he has done in the past few years.

by Fsued on Nov 30, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but reviewing the entire body of work

indicates the same strengths,weaknesses and abilties. After all, it’s the same man. The primary difference, imho, was a change in recruiting fortunes.

by FiestaNole on Nov 30, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

A wonderful career that ended ugly. We deserved a better ending than this.

by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It can't get any more embarassing.

The nation knows we suck. i just want to see our offense and get them some more experience.

Think of it as “early spring training.” :)

by FiestaNole on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I'd like to see him gone

It’d be nice to send BB out with a win

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.

by JMB on Nov 30, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be OK with a bowl game

if we had a new defensive staff in place.

by Pinto on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a lot of you guys are still hung up on UF.

Whoever we play won’t be anywhere near that caliber. Our guys can still play with subpar teams. We’ve done it all season.

by truenole87 on Nov 30, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

We did it with Ponder

The caliber of team to be played in a bowl game will be better than WF and MD, teams we struggled to beat.

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Experience!

I still want us to go to a bowl game as that means extra practice sessions! As well, it seems the kids are looking forward to a bowl game. This should be about the players, A lot of these kids are proud to be at FSU and time and again see them as bringing FSU back to the fore. We need to empower them with good coaching and wise administrative decisions.

by DesiNole on Nov 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it because it’s extra revenue, which the university definetly could use in these down times. Though I’m interested in how much they profit or if they even do profit by going to these lower tier bowls considering how highly paid our coaches and making a bowl triggers extra bonuses.

by lul on Nov 30, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think WF was much of a struggle

I also think EJ needs as many starts as he can get before Ponder is back to full health. Protection and the running game will be much better against whoever our bowl game opponent is.

by truenole87 on Nov 30, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we can move the ball with the fluidity that we did with Ponder. Our defense will be facing an offense that will more than likely be able to score ~45% of the time.

I can’t see a bowl eligble team from the SEC, Pac 10 or Big 10 that I would have confidence in saying that we could beat.

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But EJ isn’t going to be Ponder. He’ll be a good quarterback. Maybe even an NFL quarterback, depending on what Jimbo can do with him. But there isn’t really much of a comparison to Ponder, in my opinion. Ponder, if he stays healthy, has the potential to be a serious NFL QB. Pennington’s brains with Brees’s arm.

by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You are saying more about EJ

Than anyone said about Ponder during his Soph year…

So imagine the possibilities

by Trus1te on Nov 30, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

But that’s just my read of it based on a variety on factors.

by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

E. J. has possibilities

His last few games should show most he neither has the quick delivery of Ponder or the arm. He is very accurate however, mobile and his delivery can be worked on. He is only a freshman.

From what I have seen so far Secord has a shot at displacing him if he does not change that delivery and quit throwing the ball up for grabs.

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Trickett would replace him before Secord would

"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."

by RaysnNoles on Nov 30, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Experience is important

You’re straight up retarded if you don’t want to go to a bowl and you’re players are soft and weak if they don’t want to play in bowl regardless of what bowl it is. You’re supposed to be there cause you love to play football no matter who your coach is. That and we have this whole streak that might not ever be touched if can can get things back on track for another decade of domination. If the worst times for FSU football are the 10 years we went to bad bowls and won a couple ACC championships, I’ll be really happy.

by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Winning a couple of championships and going to routine bowls is not FSU football

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Now

after he retires next year are we all gonna make a thread and thank him haha and say he is the greatest?

by thugzmansion on Nov 30, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't that be great?

The storylines heading into the game would give ESPN a huge gift

by basbalstr101 on Nov 30, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Gator Bowl

FSU vs WVU

HUGE

Cedat Fortuna Peritis

by spear72 on Nov 30, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this pure conjecture?

I didn’t even think we could be chosen for the gator bowl. I thought it had to be Meineke, Music City, or Emerald Nut Bowl.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 30, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So..

Any roomers as to any of our new incoming coaches?

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by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

Rumors

I keep hearing Sal Sunseri

Cedat Fortuna Peritis

by spear72 on Nov 30, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah sorry

I only have a GED +1 you

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by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumors

Did you think I was hacking on you about roomers?

It’s an internet board I could not care less if people mispell things. I got the point.

I would never do that.

Cedat Fortuna Peritis

by spear72 on Nov 30, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL no

was a counter jab outa my own embarrassment..
Little stress induced retardation on my part today..

Unconquered GO NOLES !

by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's announcing via FSU official release...

…that tells me no chance he will want to coach the bowl game. He’s pissed off and so is his family. They are going to wage war on FSU.

When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.

by mp212121 on Nov 30, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

i'd like to say

that he will finally exercise some grace and restraint, but i think you might be right here.

by NCAROLINANOLE on Nov 30, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

we can't really fire our D staff now right?

if it plays out like that, what would some scenarios be for the bowl game? can’t really bring sunseri/smart in right now.

by NCAROLINANOLE on Nov 30, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Bowden's are pissed

I think they walk away with 5 mil plus a cushy Non-working job title for Bobby to do the booster circuit.

But I think there will be a stipulation in writing about keeping their bad feelings to themselves. Run your mouth we pull the money.

Cedat Fortuna Peritis

by spear72 on Nov 30, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Notre Dame!

there boards are buzzing over Bobby Bowden retiring calling it Bowden Watch! ……I guess one man’s trash is another man’s treasure……I hope Bobby does sign with the Irish and shows all the nay sayers………..just an opinion don’t flip out!

by Bradzester on Nov 30, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

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