Bobby Bowden To Retire Tuesday
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 7:35 PM EST
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PrintAs first indicated by TomahawkNation.com this afternoon, Florida State Head Coach Bobby Bowden will retire tomorrow after 34 seasons in Tallahassee.
As we reported today, sources indicate that Bowden was not given the option to return in any coaching capacity but rather as an ambassador/ fundraiser type. Bowden learned of the news today during an emotional meeting with Florida State President and former Bowden player T.K. Wetherell and Athletic Director Randy Spetman.
Bowden would not agree to those terms and is now set to retire. He is guaranteed $1 million per his contract upon retirement, and our sources now tell us that he will not receive anywhere near as large of an additional golden parachute as once suspected. The matter will be handled via press release and not a press conference, which is how Bowden wanted it, as he has repeatedly stated that he did not want a farewell tour.
After leading FSU on a great two-decade run including two national championships and an unprecedented streak of 14 consecutive top-5 AP finishes, Bowden has presided over what many are referring to as the "Lost Decade." With the university hemorrhaging cash, the decision makers don't believe that at 80 Bowden is the man to turn around the program.
Jimbo Fisher, the reigning ACC Offensive Coordinator of the Year and head coach in waiting (HCIW), will be announced as head coach later this week after wrapping up some recruiting matters. Bowden is expected to coach the bowl game though he did apparently threaten not to if his contract was not renewed. [Update: Bowden did rescind his threat not to coach the bowl game and will be on the sidelines one final time.]
[Note: Gator Bowl President Rick Catlett on 1010XL radio in Jacksonville this morning: If Bobby agrees to coach the bowl game, FSU will be playing WVU on January 1st. We have learned that this is a highly unusual move, but as long as the ACC allows it, it will go through. FSU's 4-4 conference record is only a game off those with 5-3 conference records.]
[Note: Linebackers Coach Chuck Amato, Defensive Ends Coach Jody Allen, and Running Backs Coach Dexter Carter are not expected to be retained. Legendary Defensive Coordinator Mickey Andrews announced his retirement last month. It is unknown whether S&C Coach Todd Stroud will be retained. ]
[Note: Bowden will address the team at 2:15ish, per ESPN. An announcement should come after that meeting.]
[Note: As for who the next defensive coordinator will be, we have you covered: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/15/1058464/who-might-jimbo-fisher-select-as Of that list, the 'Bama boys (Smart/Sunseri) seem to produce the most smoke, but Jones and Hudson haven't been ruled out to us.]
[The Democrat is reporting that Bowden will stay on with FSU as a fundraiser for the Florida State boosters, an idea our sources floated to us Sunday. He had previously rejected offers of this nature. ]
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Jimbo is a Dumbo and will be gone inside of 3 years.
Seminoles get ready for a long march into the wilderness. Lost wandering around with a guy that cannot even manage the clock for one side of the ball and now is the CEO. C’mon what a choice. This guy goes nuts while fumbling through play sheets while the clock tick, tick ticks, down from 42 seconds to 17 seconds with 1st and goal on the 2 vs. Miami. If he calls timeout and the Seminoles score (which should have happened) then we are not treating Bobby like an idiot today. Jimbo had sole control of that situation and blew it up. He is a dumbo and the FSU program will be in the tank for another decade.
Clock management
Clock management is the head coach’s job bc the OC is going through the play sheet and/or the formation groupings and/or talking to the players.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
BS Jimbo had full control
Just wait and see, he has been a joke on the sidelines with his little temper tantrums during games. Jimbo personally blew four ball games with poor clock management this season. He was better this year than the last two, I will say but still horrible.
Go back and watch the Miami replay. He did not even have a play ready as the team rushed down the field with 42 seconds and a timeout. It was Jimbo’s time to shine and he blew it by having a panic attack. The guy cannot get it done and will not get it done and you will be the guy that leads the firing bandwagon in 2014.
You are missing the point
First I dispute your recollection of events as you clearly seem to be biased. Second, if Jimbo had full control the staff would have been different and we would not have kicked several FGs that we tried during the seson. Third, it is the HC’s job to be in control of clock management because of the reasons I named. Even if Bowden dropped back and gave everything to Jimbo that is a part of the problem. The OC already has a ton on his plate so it is the HC’s RESPONSIBILITY to take charge in that situation. What does Bowden do? Wander the sidelines like an old man in the Wal-mart cereal aisle. The fact that the man had become completely useless on the sidelines caused more problems than you can clearly understand.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
We had a nine point lead remember until we turned the ball over going in for a big lead
The delay of game penalties are enormous for a college team. We have the ball 1st and goal with 42 seconds left. We could have called timeout and actually run the football on 1st down before throwing 3 more times and using all four of our downs. If you say this is not poor clock management then you know zero about football. We only used 3 of 4 downs because our guy running the offense drew a blank and wasted 25 seconds trying to figure out what play to run. Remember he sent in the goal line offense and then had to run them back off the field because of poor communication. You morons on here do not recollect the game. I just rolled the tape back again to make sure I was correct. This was a debacle and has been. The reason the offense was great is because Christian Ponder had a great season. He was finally ready to be the starter and had the experience to run the team. Jimbo is all show and again you all will be on here hanging him by 2014. I have followed the Seminoles since the 1970’s when you could walk in and sit on the fifty yard line because no one cared. Now that Bobby built a tradition you are all experts and he is some crazy aloof old man. Did he need to retire soon? Yes! Did he need to be treated the way he was treated ? No. IF it were not for Bowden you would all still be wearing skirts to class.
No, he isn't aloof. He is delusional.
and if some FSU higher-ups hadn’t left him alone with some major boosters, he might be here next year. The impression he made on them sealed his fate.
Actually the end of the Miami game played out like it did because Fisher did not want to give Miami any time to make a come back as they were easily able to move the ball on FSU’s D. You can’t count on a pass interference giving you extra downs. The offense had multiple cracks at the endzone and didn’t capitalize. However, they were in a position to do that multiple times, which is all a coach can do.
Are you implying that if we won the Miami game
The last 8 years of mediocrity would have magically disappeared and we would have ended our 5 game losing streak to UF?
Are you saying that 435 yards/game and 31.5 points a game isn’t an elite College Football Offense?
You’re incredible.
It's obvious this guy is a fair weather fan
and really hasn’t watched what has happened since 2001. We get it you’re a Bobby lover. I guess it’s Jimbo’s fault for the crap recruiting class of 2006 and 2007. I guess it’s Jimbo’s fault that the defense couldn’t stop peewee team’s offense. IT’S ALL JIMBO’S FAULT!!!
Idiot.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hey genius, the clock management against Miami was GREAT
3 shots at a walk-off TD from inside the 5. What more could you want?
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I can't believe that is still an issue
I think it would be interesting to see what people would have said if we did score with 40 seconds left on the clock… and Miami walked down and scored too…
If your in it to win it then your willing to take the heat for making an unpopular decision and failing. That is all that happened there
by Trus1te on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol @ Georgia Nole
If you don’t know how FSUs offense did this season. Then it’s not even worth responding to your posts. Jimbo is the leader of the offense. They were amazing. That means he sucks. Valid point
by Cee on Dec 1, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Now that that is out of the way...
…let’s get down to brass tacks. When do we expect to hear about other coaching changes? New DC, new LB coach, etc…
they
the current coaches or they the(possible) future coaches were contacted?
by ncarolinanole on Nov 30, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
When I saw Coach Carter wandering around the stadium with women in Winston-Salem while the rest of the team was warming up, it made me wonder.
was it family/friends or hoes?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
What are the chances that Amato is relieved before the bowl game
I dont even want him on the field. He is as useless as tits on a bull (love that saying, and figured especially fitting)
Both a great day and a terribly sad day for FSU football. It's a shame it came down to this.
Thank you and goodbye Coach Bobby Bowden.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Now that it looks official
I’m sure we all feel this way. Thanks Bobby.
by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We could all write 2,500 word essays about our current emotions
But this quote flat-out nails it. Thanks, Frank.
by The K-Man on Nov 30, 2009 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
In Ponder We Trust
Pre-Injury Regular Season Stat Projections: 21 TD: 2 Int, 3738 yards, 70 %COMP
so ann was wrong, we do have people with guts at FSU
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
by malweka on Nov 30, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the mammaries, Chuck.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 17 recs
Just FYI. To REC click on the red actions button then click rec.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it worked!
i was trying to figure out how to do that for 2 weeks now!
If someone doesn't say anything, how would you know. My pleasure.
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i didnt want to play around with buttons..
…it could’ve destroyed the known world as we know it!!
haha funny
It’s a key and three switches….I would know considering thats what I do for my job. Quite intresting when you know at the other end of you are nuclear weapons….
Lose the bomophobia
I don’t lke Amato either but let’s not stoop….
Welcome to TN and thanks for posting. Since you're new I will be as respectful as possible.
As far as Amato is concerned, this is one of the tamest and nicest thing that any of us have ever said about him, myself included.
If you’d like to bring yourself up to date on the contempt that most knowledgeable FSU have for him, you could start here with something I wrote last June,
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/6/21/920269/chuck-amato-south-florida
and since that time, he has done everything possible to lower my opinion of him even further. Also please read the comments after.
There is no way I could possibly try to bring you up to date at this time on the reasons for the contempt, but here are just a few examples. His attempting to sabotaging Jimbo, alleged physical altercations with other coaches, shouting matches with other coaches, shouting down Jimbo when he tried to give a pre-game motivational speech to the players when Bobby was in his office hamming it up with some friends from Alabama and he did not come down to the locker room, because as the Executive head coach he felt it was his right to give the pre-game speech instead of Jimbo, resulting in the players hitting the field against USF with no last minute instructions, not recruiting one player since I wrote that first story back in June, and being the first one to punch out at the end of the day……..I could go on and on.
There is a search feature at the upper right hand corner and if you really want an education on Chuck, feel free to browse. After you do that, you will realize that my stooping, was really pretty lame compared to what others feel about this man.
Anyway, once again, thanks for joining, reading, and posting, and please stick around because our female readership is increasing daily and we welcome all opinions and thoughts.
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Frank thanks for this
We need to have some canned responses ready, or a FAQ section.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 1, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we really do
Its hard to remember every reason why uf sucks, amato is detrimental to the team, why bobby needed to leave, etc.
a specific section where we could look it up would really help us inform the uneducated.
I came to the same conclusion last night.
You would be doing FSU, and this site, huge favor to do it pronto and sticky it at the top where the media and others can be directed for enlightenment while the issue is still hot. Let’s try to control the negative buzz.
by PeachTreeNole on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to believe ....
… so many parts of this story …
…He won’t be on the sidelines for the first time in 34 years
…He is leaving under such sad and unnecessarily acrimonious circumstances
…Taking away the football part of things, he’s such a tragic figure just as a man. I’ve really been shocked to hear of how emotional he has been behind the scenes
Frankly, it’s all so conflicting — reminds me of Dolly Parton in that awful feminazi film "Steel Magnolias" saying "my favorite emotion is laughter through tears."
I’m definitely feeling joy through sadness.
"feminazi"? Are you kidding?!!!
Your comment was great except for that favorite term by that druggy fascist coward – Limbaugh. Haha!
by SeminolePete on Nov 30, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
The man thinks he’s about to die. I think that emotion is understandable. For the last 34 years he’s only known FSU football. My Dad has worked for the same company for the last 30 years or so and my Mom and I are not sure what he’ll do when he’s forced into retirement next year.
Unlike the Bowdens we force my Dad to have interests outside yard work and actual work such as fishing, sports, etc. The change is not as drastic for my Dad as it is for Bobby because Bobby’s job is more of a lifestyle than just a job but the comparision is apropriate. For me his reaction is sad but understandable.
Retirement is hard for everyone
My dad retired last year. He was an accountant. So obviously, not the same kind of passion as being a football coach. It was a tough transition for him. I feel for Bobby. I know it must be hard for him to imagine life without FSU football. At the same time, though, my dad wasn’t making $2.5 million a year, and wrecking other people’s professional careers in the process.
That said, I hope that Bobby does enjoy his retirement, even though he will never be a “neutral” at UF.
Sad but necessary
Thanks for building this great program, but change was long overdue.
by NoleHaven on Nov 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting, that's kind of anticlimactic
Wonder if they’ll hold off till after the regular season and title games or just let the bowl news conferences do the work for them.
I wouldn’t expect much to be said on this unless Ann speaks to the media again. It’s pretty obvious that Bobby is being forced to retire here. Just giving a release without a press conference allows the illusion that this is Bobby’s decision to stay in place longer as there will be less opportunity to ask questions which would likely quickly tear down that illusion.
Is anyone else surprised?
I expected to feel jubilation. While im excited for the future, I cant help but also feel sad (maybe even more so)
by Miaminole on Nov 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
im quite somber as well
it sucks to see how much this hurts him.
Honestly I am verry conflicted about how I feel...
cant remember how long i have been waiting for this day to finally happen but the way everything happened I am surprised at how sad it made me to see the news on TV at the gym earlier.
Thanks Bobby, with time my memory of your time at FSU will revert back to the good days. Hope you enjoy life after football.
The correct term is called "bittersweet"
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Trolls remorse.
A lot of people coming down with it today.
Pot meet kettle.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Or if the shoe fits…….
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I was talking to lul because he is only here to instigate. You and me miaminole, we're hermanos.
Everyone just needs to relax because there will be a onslaught of trolls looking to bait you. The best response in many cases is to just ignore them.
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Troll can be used to describe someone who harasses another. The community out here has been harassing Bobby to retire. They have succeeded. Now they are sad.
by lul on Dec 1, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sad.
My next goal is to harrass the dumb posters on TNation until they leave too.
by MattDNole on Dec 1, 2009 6:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope mikeflynn makes a guest apperance
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
RE: Is anyone else surprised?
I’m going through the same thing; it started on Saturday when this began to feel inevitable. And you know what triggered it: it was hearing about how he’d been crying privately in the locker room. It’s more than obvious that this is long overdue, but it feels awful; I’m sure I speak for most of us when I say that I will always have great affection for Coach Bowden, regardless of what’s happened in the last decade.
comments on the espn story
show how misconstrued this story has become to the nation. We’ve become the big bad university thats kicking the nice old legend out the door.
Im happy this is finally done though. Give it a week and no one (nationally) will care that bobby’s gone.
Wow, yeah... literally 95% of the posts are slamming FSU.
What a joke. Here’s my favorite:
It is amazing that after building a program a legend can be forced out. What is also amazing is that the so called experts seem to not get the fact that the Offensive coordinator has called the plays for the last two seasons. That person is Jimbo Fisher. IMO he is a dud and should have been released ahead of Bobby. Who has had the headset on making the calls the past two seasons? Jimbo Fisher. He will be smiling all the way to the bank knowing that he was a never worth the money and the real talent has been Coach Bowden.
Unbelievable.
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Who gives a sh*t what the outsiders think. We know it had to happen. F*ck them. F*ck them all.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
exactly how I feel
I have gotten tired trying to educate the masses. Everyone acts like they have some idea what is going on in our program because they watch 2 hours of sportscenter. To hell with the naysayers.
I love that we are called bandwagoners and fair weather fans, and I have already read something like 3 FSU “fans” say they will now root against us because of how we treated him. shaking head how ironic.
And here we are in the trailer park...
Jim Smith called the moving vans and all the sheep followed. The PROBLEM with what has occurred is that our university lacked the class to handle this appropriately. Show a little respect, half of you sound like GaYtor fans who hop on here to comment. This was inevitable and necessary but it could not have been executed with less class.
I'm pretty sure
most Gators want him to coach till he has a dadgum heartattack right in the Swamp.
by Rock_and_Nole on Dec 1, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Class
FSU gave Bobby every chance to turn things around, which was the classy thing to do. When Bowden couldn’t bring himself to fire his son the PTB stepped in and bought him out, another class act. Hanging on after you can no longer do the job was a complete lack of class by Bowden. Insulting the fans and threatening the program was another classless act by the Bowden family. Cashing a massive check and doing no work for it at all was also a classless act. Lets not act like Bowden and his clan are the innocent victims here. It was time for dude to go.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
And the sad part is they bought out a assistant coach with a expiring contract, which is unprecedented.
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It could have been executed with less class. Much less.
For instance The University COULD HAVE responded to all of the BS Ann Bowden said between September and now. We’ve remained silent. The fact of the matter is there was no possible way to get Bowden out without things getting messy, other than to wait until he was ready. Which obviously was not a logical, financially sound option. Jim Smith didn’t say “I want Bobby Bowden to GTFO”. He simply said that he thinks people have been patient enough. You can argue that Smith shouldn’t have said anything, but the fact of the matter is, if he didn’t there wouldn’t have been anyone with the balls to handle this had he not applied public pressure. Jim Smith took one for the team, the school, the fans. He’ll probably be scrutinized by village idiots for years to come, but to those that understand this was a Press and Publicity nightmare for FSU no matter how it was handled, Jim Smith will rightfully be seen as a hero. As much as we appreciate and respect Bobby Bowden for the accomplishments and memories, he has proven many times in the past to be stubborn and selfish. This school has gone out of its way to appease him and made monumental sacrifices for him, going to battle for him when it probably shouldn’t and giving him an incredibly long leash to screw things up based on what he used to be capable of accomplishing.
by truenole87 on Dec 1, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Smith jumped on the bandwagon about 3-5 years too late. But I guess you would have no way of knowing that since you've only been reading here a couple of weeks. Regardless, thank you Jim Smith.
Just because I don’t give a crap on how ESPN or the national media view this situation means I live in a trailer park?
Well then let me tell you something missy, my double wide is the biggest one they make and my trailer park has a in-ground pool. So there.
The media loves this because dirt sells. Just like they loved the cheating scandal and the way the loved the fight, the suspensions, and the arrest. I have grown immune to what they write about FSU because it is usually not flattering, and that was my point.
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Get ready for
A barrage of anti-FSU press.
It’s very easy for fans of other teams to sit and scrutinize us as fans, but if they had to deal with what we have, I have a feeling they’d have a different answer.
It's not like they haven't had to deal with bad press before.
I mean, the only good press I remember was Myron Rolle. The rest of the time it’s open season on the ’Noles.
That's exactly why I refuse to check out most forums comments
They’re clueless. But then again, those are probably fans of programs that haven’t fallen into medioctrity the past decade like we have.
They also don't realize that this will ultimately be best for Bowden as well
And they’re the same people who would make fun of BB for saying stupid things at post game pc’s or looking clueless on the sideline next year, while wondering why FSU just isn’t what they used to be.
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Screw ESPN
ESPN can go jump! They have been ragging on us and Bowden even before Richt went AWOL during the National Championship game! They never missed an opportunity to put a dig in on “wide right” (like we’re the only team to lose a game due to a missed field goal!) or any time a player got in trouble.
We never heard a peep out of ESPN when gators committed countless violations. All we got was hero worship of the man who invented football- Timmie Teabag! I can’t wait to see how ESPN treats them next year!
by SeminolePete on Nov 30, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I say screw ESPN as well.
UNTIL we earn back our primetime football slots. They’ll bow down polish our knobs once again in the future.
none of my teams ever get a knob polish
if it ever happens i think it’ll feel dirty, like i’ve become what i hate.
Believe it or not.........
Espn hopped right on(FSU’s johnson) on College football live (Sunday edition) Even McShay & Herbstreit were complimentary. Basically saying FSU does have enough talent to turn it around in Bama fashion (1-2 years). The show aired 11/29 i think. I can’t believe u guys didn’t see this. Almost like ESPN gave FSU a “post-Bowden blessing”
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/11/30/1179816/florida-states-bobby-bowden#comments
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Orlando has us
Against South Carolina in the Music City Bowl
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/11/20092010-bowl-projections.html
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
where the hell is that?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
that would suck @##
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
That would be sweet for me
if it is the Music City Bowl considering I’ll be home then and Ft. Campbell is less than 45 minutes away from Nashville.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
Somewhere between the 14th and 18th of Dec.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Great news and I bet you family is thrilled. Now we just need to bring the rest of the troops home.
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I think this is most likely
It’d be my preference, we’d have a chance to win
FSU-Carolina in Nashville, that's my pick
I would think it would be impossible for the Gator to choose FSU since their are so may ACC teams that are more than a game-better in the standings. Isn’t that why the Gator is dropping the ACC, because the League wouldn’t let them take a team more than two wins worse in the standings?
I'm hoping for a rematch
want a game we can win to keep our winning seasons streak alive.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Let's get BB one last win against Spurrier!!
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Beating USCe would be no easy task
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
I have yet to find a bowl eligble team we match up well against
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Any way we can get a middle of the road Big 10
(or as I call them “the little 11”) team? I like our chances against them more than I would against even a 6-6 UGA team.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
That's the key
No doubt about it, they would play that angle all day.
by seminoleballer on Nov 30, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty surreal and definitely bittersweet, but it's the best thing for all parties involved.
Hopefully Bowden realizes that one day soon.
I’m also proud of the BOT, TK, and boosters for taking the initiative to do what is best for the program.
Hopefully BB coaches the bowl game.
Let’s do this Jimbo!
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions
This is long overdue
and I’m ecstatic it has finally come to pass. I have been screaming for this to happen for years but wouldn’t let myself believe it until it was actually confirmed. I have nothing but respect for what Coach Bowden did to get this program to where it was. And even after all the shit he has pulled I’m not going to dance on his grave. I honestly feel sorry for the man. He’s like Creon at this point.
Have to think BB's biggest enemies have been Ann, Terry, and the B'ham Mafia
that no doubt have fostered and supported the notion that he is God and FSU is his kingdom to rule forever. Hoping that after this sinks in to him he feels a sense of relief and is open to working with the school in some capacity.
Bittersweet Indeed
Bobby is the only Florida State coach I have ever known. Just hearing the news left me feeling happy and sad all at the same time. Change is needed, that is for sure. It’s a shame it happened to end this way, but now we move on, and hopefully win some ballgames.
"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"
been a nole since 1988
that was the year I was born. Both parents attended FSU, as did my sister. Like I said earlier, it’s bittersweet. But it is the best move for the program
"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"
I wanted him out, but I feel weird now
by marlins44 on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is tough,
particularly if you are over a certain age. If you are under 25, you really never knew coach Bowden as anything but what he currently is, particularly if you didn’t grow up a Nole fan.
But I am in the latter group and did grow up a ’Nole fan.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...I'm 28 and
I don’t know anything else but Bobby. However, All good things must come to an end, and it’s time. I want to be watching a GOOD FSU team when I’m 38, not a 6-6 team who is still getting thrashed by the Gators
I've been a Nole since 1995
And Bobby is all we know. Tough is probably an understatement but this is what’s best for our program.
I have been a Nole since 1978 and Bobby is also all I've ever known. Go figure.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
For those of us like FSUED, wild@heart, and a few other who were there when we were crap, and witnessed coming full circle, this is not easy.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Been a Nole since I was born in 1970.
My grandmother went to FSU when it was a woman’s college. Truly started following FSU in 1982 when my father took me to the Gator Bowl against West Virginia. So Bowden is all I have ever known either.
I didn't know much about FSU growing up (military brat)
Graduated from HS in Puerto Rico and landed in Tally on July 15th, 1995. Since then, I bleed Garnet & Gold. Before landing at TLH, I looked through the window of the small plane and said, WTF have I gotten myself into!!!??? The city/town grew on me and consider Tally my second home.
no it is not easy
been a seminole since as long I can remember (78-79) and going to games every year since.
This is sad as like Frank, Bobby is all I’ve ever known as coach. Hell, I’ll never forget shaking his hand when I was 9 years old.
That said, 2002 seemed like the year he should have retired or maybe after that last Orange Bowl appearance.
by montverdenole on Nov 30, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I wasn’t alive when Mudra was the coach but my parents were at the school then and we still have a long way to go to equal that level on inneptitude. Bobby never spent a full season in the coordinators box like Mudra. Horrible seasons aside Mudra was an embarrasement as a coach much more than Bobby ever will be. I do understand that was are trending downward and that’s what you are referring to but it was much worse then compared to how things are now.
I have only known one coach, Bobby. I went to 2 games in 1977 when I would come up
to check out the school before deciding. Ever since I enrolled in Jan 1978 I attended every single football game in Tally, Hogtown, and Miami, until I left in 1982. Mudra means nothing to me and I agree, his 2 year 4-18 record were a complete fiasco.
I am referring to coming full circle under Bobby since the 5-6, 1976 season, and the mediocre ’81 and ’86 seasons, and back to our 3-6 loss seasons in 3 of the last 4 years.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I've been a 'Nole since '98
I come from a family of non-sports fans, so I didn’t know anything about football until I was in marching band in high school. I fell in love with the sport, and heard about this awesome college band called the Marching Chiefs, who never lost a halftime. Then I saw Chris Weinke and Sebastian Janikowski. That was all I needed.
I decided that if I was going to march in college, it would have to have been at FSU. I wound up deciding to stay local and going to a school without a football team, which I figure means I can root for whoever I want. So despite only being in Florida for one week of my life, I am a Seminole, for better or worse, and I bleed garnet and gold!
*nod
yeah hard to see this happening to Bobby. Sucks that he let his Ego bury a foot in his arse
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
92 here
When I first moved to Tally.. Never cared for sports before that.. Had a friend take me to a game .. First time i looked out on the Sea of Tomahawk chops I got goose bumps and from that moment on I was a Seminole..
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing like a Warchant at a sold-out Doak
That’s for damn sure
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
I forgot what that is like
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Those days will come again
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
if after experiencing doak on game day, you are still not a fan, then you aren't a sports person
My first game at Doak was the first time I started to care about College football
Copy that
I didn’t watch football at all and wouldn’t have considered FSU until I went to the ‘96 FSU-UF game. That sealed it. The girls didn’t hurt either….
My sister's bf (they were both at FSU)
Called me during my senior year in HS (Puerto Rico) and said, you have to move up here. All I picked up from that conversation was football and chics! lol
When I was trying to decide between FSU and UF,
the only reason I really and truly went to FSU aside from having a bunch of friends there, was because the women to men ratio in 1978 was 3 women to every 1 man.
In Hogtown, it was 3 guys to every 1 girl.
Even as a business major, it was something even I could figure out. A real no-brainer and after a couple of years there, I met my future wife and we were married for 15 years.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
25 and knew the old Bobby.
Been watching the ’Noles since I was about 5, so I was lucky enough to see the best of the best years. Alas, the worst years of the Bowden Era, too.
by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
24, graduated from FSU in ’07. In law school now. I grew up in Alaska, barely ever got to see FSU games on TV then, but my grandma (alumnus from the Burt Reynolds days) would send me tapes of games and t-shirts/hats/jerseys every year for X-mas.
I know what he’s done for this program, he’s a great man and a model citizen. He’s done things and inspired people on a level that I can only dream of reaching. But, like many here, I do feel it is time for him to go. It’s hard to face that reality of FSU without Bowden at the helm, but a mediocre FSU team is a reality that’s been even harder to swallow.
I'm 36 and i've been a fan since I was 5.
No one who loves FSU is going to enjoy what will happen tomorrow. We are all a Seminole family who have disagreed how to handle things but I think everyone will be relieved tomorrow whether they will admit it or not. The keys are being taken away from dad. It’s hard, nay brutal. But we know it had to happen. I love coach Bowden and always will, but he brought a lot of this on himself.
Thanks for the memories Bobby, and thank you for what you did my dad.
Appreciate you Coach Bowden
Grew up in Jacksonville and everywhere were Gator Fans losing year after year to Georgia. Then my older sister went to FSU from Converse then my older brother from Furman to FSU. All during that time the “King of the Road” was beating Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, all the national powers playing anyone anywhere. I was hooked and attended myself in the early eighties. Charming, winning, warm, recruiting machine. If Bowden came to momma’s house it was over!
by nole34 on Nov 30, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it is tough but...
I have been a fan for 25 years and hate to see it end like this but the program needs some new blood and this will be for the best in the long run.
Been watching CFB/FSU since 1986
so I saw the rise and fall of FSU.
I probably saw a bowl game here and there before that, but that would’ve been it. Definitely have no memories prior to 1986 of CFB.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Been a Nole since birth - 1976
My grandmother went there when it was the college for women. My father graduated in ‘68. My sister in ’94. Me in ’99. A few uncles and aunts – I could go on and on. Bittersweet is the correct word. He is the only coach I’ve known yet I’ve known for a while that his time has passed. So many mixed emotions.
Jimbo 2010
24 says a lot
Bein a 24 year old Nole fan says a lot (I hope), considering the fact that I came into the school in 03, graduated in 07 and saw a single ACC Championship, and a single win over the Gators…lol. So the fact that Ive stuck by the Noles says somthin…right??? But I will never give up on the Noles….Bobby is all I have ever known, and I really can not wait until the Jimbo era to begin.
by LetsGoNoles on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that it does
particularly when so many in your situation have gone and rooter for the Gators.
But we did win the ACC in 2005…
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that
I got there in fall of 02 and am in that same boat. It’s been rough cause a few of my roommates and co-workers were canes and gators fans. But I’ll never give up on the Noles, with or without Bobby.
by Rock_and_Nole on Dec 1, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I have witnessed the worst 4 year strech in decades
I started in ’06, so I have seen back to back 7-6 seasons, a 9-4 season, and perhaps another 7-6 (or 6-7) this year. Not one win against the Gators, and only one was competitive (21-14 UF in ’06). But I still bleed Garnet and Gold.
you sir
Are as true to the Noles as anyone. Most of us have memories of the 90’s to sustain us. You have…………….. your conviction, good for you!
Been a fan for as long as I can remember
Grew up a fan and am currently a student so it won’t sink in until I don’t see Bobby on the sideline for the first time. However, I have faith in Jimbo’s ability and it’s going to be just as exciting to begin a new era. I can just sense the collective cussing of UF and UM fans under their breath as they realize they will have to compete against a functional FSU coaching staff
It hurt to do this
but BB….it had to be done
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
I believe it is proprietary to another site
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Also
Who has the JF “Hope” pic?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Sorry wrong thread
I believe it is proprietary to another site
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
And a new era begins
It will be strange not to see Bowden at FSU, but I am excited for the future of the program and a chance to finally move forward.
Bittersweet indeed...
thanks for everything Bobby. But damn you were a fool to do it this way on your way out.
I’m also curious about the recruiting matters that are being wrapped up. I am pretty clueless when it comes to recruiting rules. Is there anything Jimbo can/should do while he is still HCIW, that he can’t do as coach?
I can’t wait for him to write those pink slips and for him to attempt to do what he can to make this class great.
Fire away
Now all the bandwagons or johnny-come-lately ‘fans’ can rejoice. Sad you don’t know. So now you’ll be able to get on-line and brag about your team to your friends. Shallow.
I’ve been a Nole since 78 and I agree it is time for a change. But it’s sad/ironic that low-class ‘fans’ can kick Bobby to the curb, yet be fans of the very program he built.
what fans exactly are you talking about?
the overall theme here seems to be “bittersweet.”
Did you bother to read any of the posts in this thread before you shot your mouth off?
by ArsonistSavior on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It all started
when BB and the rest of his clan considered themselves bigger than the university. As much as all Nole fans love him for what he did, his actions and the words out of ann’s mouth are undeniably what pitted FSU vs BB. It shouldn’t have had to happen this way but as we feel bad ( I do too) just remember that BB could’ve handled this much, much better
It's definitley for the best and I wanted it to happen
but this is kind of surreal. I feel crappy it had to come to this. He is the only coach in my lifetime and not seeing him on the sideline will be strange. It had to happen though.
It will take time, but I really want to remember the guy I grew up watching. Anytime, Anywhere. Octoberfest, Punt Rooskie. It’s a run we’ll never see again.
It is sad that it came to this
But it is the biggest relief I have felt in quite some time. A Mangino sized weight off of the shoulders of this program. Thanks for what you’ve given us Bobby, it will be a strange sight to see a sideline without you indeed.
>>---l>
Welcome to the Jimbo Fisher era everybody.
by sealclubber on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I sense good thing a-coming
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
er...things
durrr
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Sweet Jesus
Put me down for season tickets.(4)
by Noleit on Nov 30, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Keyshawn Johnson making a fool of himself on espn...
He showed the play where Sanderson didn’t move on the OL and poked fun at him saying he had no idea what was going on. Actually key, YOU are the one with no idea of what is going on.
That's not really news
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
I can't hate on Key.
He’s the only one of those schmucks who ever picks the Fins. Berman’s always banging on about how the “Jets always have the Dolphins’ number,” and Key always leaves him shutting his fool mouth.
by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
For the un-initiated
I never understood the reasoning for the O-line staying in stance on an offsides. Most teams would take a shot downfield as a “free play”.
Is it to prevent any confusion (i.e. refs calling a false start)?
Yes
It is to guarantee the free 5
Then we run a set play off it
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
We always run that same play though....
I think it should be changed game by game to give it a shot to work. Good defenses now know that play and are prepared for it…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I think he meant a set play for the game
Which means it changes from game to game
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Here's why
It’s still a free play, if the line doesn’t move, the QB knows it’s a free play, if they move he may or may not recognize this, also if someone jumps, the QB is probably going to be rushed anyways. If the line doesn’t move, you remove all doubt in the officials mind about who jumped, so you make sure you don’t get called for it. If you’re a fan of the opposition you will probably make fun of the line for exercising such discipline, but you will also probably be upset that your team jumped offsides more than they usually do. It happened like 3 -4 times on Saturday and it has been that way all season, so IMO, it works.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yea Nutz Bowl (aka Emerald Bowl)
We live just down the road and saw the Noles beat UCLA in PacBell Park just 3 years ago. We will be at the game, flyin’ the Nole flags from the car. That was the first time I had seen the Noles live since ’90, when we moved west. Damn, I hope it is the Nutz bowl.
Chief Osceola
You're right.
I’m sorry that was. I apologize.
But I do love almonds.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
and Watson over Bradham on the 2nd team
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fail
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Nesbitt's good
I don’t think that’s such a joke. He runs GT’s offense perfectly. Duke QB got some love too.
It’s not a throwing offense. What can I say? He’s got good individual numbers and is the guy leading one of the nation’s best offenses. Who would you of put ahead of him? (aside CP7).
his completion % is under 50%
You could put Jermaine Thomas at QB for GT and he’d lead a decent attack.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Who is your ACC first team QB?
I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything. The selection stands out to me for the same reasons, but he’s done what he’s supposed to do.
I'd also put Lewis and Skinner, Harris and Taylor over him
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s interesting reviewing the guys some. I don’t like Harris because he’s a pro style QB with 900 picks and probably the best group of receivers in the ACC. I like Lewis a lot but he’s got no help.
I’m completely biased for my love of CP7 and his complete game, but I don’t think Nesbitt’s pick after him is so blasphemous. He’s accounted for a lot of touchdowns on his own and he is the most important cog in that offense (more-so than Dwyer).
I don’t completely disagree though, I don’t think he’s any sort of unanimous pick for first team sans Ponder, don’t get me wrong. Just sayin’, Nesbitt’s perfect for that offense and that offense rolls. Georgia game proved it don’t roll without him.
Exactly that's the whole one-game away rule
which is what led them to drop the ACC in the first place. Unless someone is thinking that the Gator will say screw the deal and pick who they want since this is the last year of their deal with the ACC.
Thanks for the memories Bobby....
I hope Coach Bowden lives a long and healthy life. He richly deserves it. I work with a lot of people his age….there thinking is skewed. Sorry it had to happen this way. Bring on the Jimbo era!!!!
we need amato when the new semester starts
make sure everyone has their rooms tidy.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon Champs Sports Bowl!!
I wanna beat up on another crappy Big Ten team
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
That was fun last year
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
If we played this year it would be a different result
Last year our defense was terrible against spread teams and good against non spread teams. This year we are terrible against everyone.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dude...
You could give someone a day to prep for our defense and you would get the same result. Seriously, what play doesn’t work against us, which style, take your pick,, its going for 6. A monkey could draw plays out of a hat.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Jeff Bowden could screw it up.
Oh, and we stopped the jump pass. The first time Tebow had not completed a jump pass and it was in his last game at the Swamp. I think we all understand FSU ruined his career with that one defensive stand. That was better than winning the game.
Yeah, it would have been really great if we could have stopped the next play too, but I agree it was a nice small victory and I think it was a heck of a play by White, of course the announcers and ESPN say it was a tackle, of course it wasnt cause the official was standing right there and the TE didn’t even get off the line.
by vanillathrilla83 on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Actions -> Rec
instead of +1. Thanks.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
by DA-2 on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No press conference
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Ann's not going quietly
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/11/30/bowden.future.ap/index.html
No wonder Bobby doesn’t want to quit, he needs somewhere to go and get away from Ann.
hahaha
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
oh wait....
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
I largely blame Bobby's sons for this debacle.
They are the ones who should have sat the both of the parents down and told them that it is over (about 5 years ago), and to go home and play with their grandkids, their family for petessake, and not the media.
its not a pretty picture of that family.
I could not live with myself if I did nothing to stop a situation that ended up with my 80-year old father crying (as Bobby was prior to the postgame press conference) after finishing a day of work.
Notre Dame!
there boards are buzzing over Bobby Bowden retiring calling it Bowden Watch! ……I guess one man’s trash is another man’s treasure……I hope Bobby does sign with the Irish and shows all the nay sayers………..just an opinion don’t flip out!
And you thought Weis sucked...
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2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
I just cant believe the incredible irony in the fact that at Bobby Bowden's last home
game as head coach, the program honored Mickey Andrews.
Unbelievable.
BB never wanted a farewell tour
So yeah, it’s not as crazy as it sounds
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
But I am not even talking about a farewell tour. I'm simply saying at his last home game,
the thanks went to Mickey Andrews, and he was the one carried off the field.
Makes me smile
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Bowden's had a 9 year farewell tour
and FSU has paid handsomely for it…
by FSUjab on Dec 1, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its going to be strange.......
It has always been Bobby Bowden leading the Seminoles……We were lucky to experience it!!!