Bobby Bowden To Retire Tuesday
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 7:35 PM EST
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PrintAs first indicated by TomahawkNation.com this afternoon, Florida State Head Coach Bobby Bowden will retire tomorrow after 34 seasons in Tallahassee.
As we reported today, sources indicate that Bowden was not given the option to return in any coaching capacity but rather as an ambassador/ fundraiser type. Bowden learned of the news today during an emotional meeting with Florida State President and former Bowden player T.K. Wetherell and Athletic Director Randy Spetman.
Bowden would not agree to those terms and is now set to retire. He is guaranteed $1 million per his contract upon retirement, and our sources now tell us that he will not receive anywhere near as large of an additional golden parachute as once suspected. The matter will be handled via press release and not a press conference, which is how Bowden wanted it, as he has repeatedly stated that he did not want a farewell tour.
After leading FSU on a great two-decade run including two national championships and an unprecedented streak of 14 consecutive top-5 AP finishes, Bowden has presided over what many are referring to as the "Lost Decade." With the university hemorrhaging cash, the decision makers don't believe that at 80 Bowden is the man to turn around the program.
Jimbo Fisher, the reigning ACC Offensive Coordinator of the Year and head coach in waiting (HCIW), will be announced as head coach later this week after wrapping up some recruiting matters. Bowden is expected to coach the bowl game though he did apparently threaten not to if his contract was not renewed. [Update: Bowden did rescind his threat not to coach the bowl game and will be on the sidelines one final time.]
[Note: Gator Bowl President Rick Catlett on 1010XL radio in Jacksonville this morning: If Bobby agrees to coach the bowl game, FSU will be playing WVU on January 1st. We have learned that this is a highly unusual move, but as long as the ACC allows it, it will go through. FSU's 4-4 conference record is only a game off those with 5-3 conference records.]
[Note: Linebackers Coach Chuck Amato, Defensive Ends Coach Jody Allen, and Running Backs Coach Dexter Carter are not expected to be retained. Legendary Defensive Coordinator Mickey Andrews announced his retirement last month. It is unknown whether S&C Coach Todd Stroud will be retained. ]
[Note: Bowden will address the team at 2:15ish, per ESPN. An announcement should come after that meeting.]
[Note: As for who the next defensive coordinator will be, we have you covered: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/15/1058464/who-might-jimbo-fisher-select-as Of that list, the 'Bama boys (Smart/Sunseri) seem to produce the most smoke, but Jones and Hudson haven't been ruled out to us.]
[The Democrat is reporting that Bowden will stay on with FSU as a fundraiser for the Florida State boosters, an idea our sources floated to us Sunday. He had previously rejected offers of this nature. ]
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Jimbo is a Dumbo and will be gone inside of 3 years.
Seminoles get ready for a long march into the wilderness. Lost wandering around with a guy that cannot even manage the clock for one side of the ball and now is the CEO. C’mon what a choice. This guy goes nuts while fumbling through play sheets while the clock tick, tick ticks, down from 42 seconds to 17 seconds with 1st and goal on the 2 vs. Miami. If he calls timeout and the Seminoles score (which should have happened) then we are not treating Bobby like an idiot today. Jimbo had sole control of that situation and blew it up. He is a dumbo and the FSU program will be in the tank for another decade.
Clock management
Clock management is the head coach’s job bc the OC is going through the play sheet and/or the formation groupings and/or talking to the players.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
BS Jimbo had full control
Just wait and see, he has been a joke on the sidelines with his little temper tantrums during games. Jimbo personally blew four ball games with poor clock management this season. He was better this year than the last two, I will say but still horrible.
Go back and watch the Miami replay. He did not even have a play ready as the team rushed down the field with 42 seconds and a timeout. It was Jimbo’s time to shine and he blew it by having a panic attack. The guy cannot get it done and will not get it done and you will be the guy that leads the firing bandwagon in 2014.
You are missing the point
First I dispute your recollection of events as you clearly seem to be biased. Second, if Jimbo had full control the staff would have been different and we would not have kicked several FGs that we tried during the seson. Third, it is the HC’s job to be in control of clock management because of the reasons I named. Even if Bowden dropped back and gave everything to Jimbo that is a part of the problem. The OC already has a ton on his plate so it is the HC’s RESPONSIBILITY to take charge in that situation. What does Bowden do? Wander the sidelines like an old man in the Wal-mart cereal aisle. The fact that the man had become completely useless on the sidelines caused more problems than you can clearly understand.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
We had a nine point lead remember until we turned the ball over going in for a big lead
The delay of game penalties are enormous for a college team. We have the ball 1st and goal with 42 seconds left. We could have called timeout and actually run the football on 1st down before throwing 3 more times and using all four of our downs. If you say this is not poor clock management then you know zero about football. We only used 3 of 4 downs because our guy running the offense drew a blank and wasted 25 seconds trying to figure out what play to run. Remember he sent in the goal line offense and then had to run them back off the field because of poor communication. You morons on here do not recollect the game. I just rolled the tape back again to make sure I was correct. This was a debacle and has been. The reason the offense was great is because Christian Ponder had a great season. He was finally ready to be the starter and had the experience to run the team. Jimbo is all show and again you all will be on here hanging him by 2014. I have followed the Seminoles since the 1970’s when you could walk in and sit on the fifty yard line because no one cared. Now that Bobby built a tradition you are all experts and he is some crazy aloof old man. Did he need to retire soon? Yes! Did he need to be treated the way he was treated ? No. IF it were not for Bowden you would all still be wearing skirts to class.
No, he isn't aloof. He is delusional.
and if some FSU higher-ups hadn’t left him alone with some major boosters, he might be here next year. The impression he made on them sealed his fate.
Actually the end of the Miami game played out like it did because Fisher did not want to give Miami any time to make a come back as they were easily able to move the ball on FSU’s D. You can’t count on a pass interference giving you extra downs. The offense had multiple cracks at the endzone and didn’t capitalize. However, they were in a position to do that multiple times, which is all a coach can do.
Are you implying that if we won the Miami game
The last 8 years of mediocrity would have magically disappeared and we would have ended our 5 game losing streak to UF?
Are you saying that 435 yards/game and 31.5 points a game isn’t an elite College Football Offense?
You’re incredible.
It's obvious this guy is a fair weather fan
and really hasn’t watched what has happened since 2001. We get it you’re a Bobby lover. I guess it’s Jimbo’s fault for the crap recruiting class of 2006 and 2007. I guess it’s Jimbo’s fault that the defense couldn’t stop peewee team’s offense. IT’S ALL JIMBO’S FAULT!!!
Idiot.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hey genius, the clock management against Miami was GREAT
3 shots at a walk-off TD from inside the 5. What more could you want?
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I can't believe that is still an issue
I think it would be interesting to see what people would have said if we did score with 40 seconds left on the clock… and Miami walked down and scored too…
If your in it to win it then your willing to take the heat for making an unpopular decision and failing. That is all that happened there
by Trus1te on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol @ Georgia Nole
If you don’t know how FSUs offense did this season. Then it’s not even worth responding to your posts. Jimbo is the leader of the offense. They were amazing. That means he sucks. Valid point
by Cee on Dec 1, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Now that that is out of the way...
…let’s get down to brass tacks. When do we expect to hear about other coaching changes? New DC, new LB coach, etc…
they
the current coaches or they the(possible) future coaches were contacted?
by ncarolinanole on Nov 30, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
When I saw Coach Carter wandering around the stadium with women in Winston-Salem while the rest of the team was warming up, it made me wonder.
was it family/friends or hoes?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
What are the chances that Amato is relieved before the bowl game
I dont even want him on the field. He is as useless as tits on a bull (love that saying, and figured especially fitting)
Both a great day and a terribly sad day for FSU football. It's a shame it came down to this.
Thank you and goodbye Coach Bobby Bowden.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Now that it looks official
I’m sure we all feel this way. Thanks Bobby.
by CSI Nole on Nov 30, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We could all write 2,500 word essays about our current emotions
But this quote flat-out nails it. Thanks, Frank.
by The K-Man on Nov 30, 2009 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
In Ponder We Trust
Pre-Injury Regular Season Stat Projections: 21 TD: 2 Int, 3738 yards, 70 %COMP
so ann was wrong, we do have people with guts at FSU
Somebody set us up the Bowden. All your field are belong to us.
by malweka on Nov 30, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the mammaries, Chuck.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 17 recs
Just FYI. To REC click on the red actions button then click rec.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it worked!
i was trying to figure out how to do that for 2 weeks now!
If someone doesn't say anything, how would you know. My pleasure.
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i didnt want to play around with buttons..
…it could’ve destroyed the known world as we know it!!
haha funny
It’s a key and three switches….I would know considering thats what I do for my job. Quite intresting when you know at the other end of you are nuclear weapons….
Lose the bomophobia
I don’t lke Amato either but let’s not stoop….
Welcome to TN and thanks for posting. Since you're new I will be as respectful as possible.
As far as Amato is concerned, this is one of the tamest and nicest thing that any of us have ever said about him, myself included.
If you’d like to bring yourself up to date on the contempt that most knowledgeable FSU have for him, you could start here with something I wrote last June,
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/6/21/920269/chuck-amato-south-florida
and since that time, he has done everything possible to lower my opinion of him even further. Also please read the comments after.
There is no way I could possibly try to bring you up to date at this time on the reasons for the contempt, but here are just a few examples. His attempting to sabotaging Jimbo, alleged physical altercations with other coaches, shouting matches with other coaches, shouting down Jimbo when he tried to give a pre-game motivational speech to the players when Bobby was in his office hamming it up with some friends from Alabama and he did not come down to the locker room, because as the Executive head coach he felt it was his right to give the pre-game speech instead of Jimbo, resulting in the players hitting the field against USF with no last minute instructions, not recruiting one player since I wrote that first story back in June, and being the first one to punch out at the end of the day……..I could go on and on.
There is a search feature at the upper right hand corner and if you really want an education on Chuck, feel free to browse. After you do that, you will realize that my stooping, was really pretty lame compared to what others feel about this man.
Anyway, once again, thanks for joining, reading, and posting, and please stick around because our female readership is increasing daily and we welcome all opinions and thoughts.
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Frank thanks for this
We need to have some canned responses ready, or a FAQ section.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 1, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we really do
Its hard to remember every reason why uf sucks, amato is detrimental to the team, why bobby needed to leave, etc.
a specific section where we could look it up would really help us inform the uneducated.
I came to the same conclusion last night.
You would be doing FSU, and this site, huge favor to do it pronto and sticky it at the top where the media and others can be directed for enlightenment while the issue is still hot. Let’s try to control the negative buzz.
by PeachTreeNole on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to believe ....
… so many parts of this story …
…He won’t be on the sidelines for the first time in 34 years
…He is leaving under such sad and unnecessarily acrimonious circumstances
…Taking away the football part of things, he’s such a tragic figure just as a man. I’ve really been shocked to hear of how emotional he has been behind the scenes
Frankly, it’s all so conflicting — reminds me of Dolly Parton in that awful feminazi film "Steel Magnolias" saying "my favorite emotion is laughter through tears."
I’m definitely feeling joy through sadness.
"feminazi"? Are you kidding?!!!
Your comment was great except for that favorite term by that druggy fascist coward – Limbaugh. Haha!
by SeminolePete on Nov 30, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
The man thinks he’s about to die. I think that emotion is understandable. For the last 34 years he’s only known FSU football. My Dad has worked for the same company for the last 30 years or so and my Mom and I are not sure what he’ll do when he’s forced into retirement next year.
Unlike the Bowdens we force my Dad to have interests outside yard work and actual work such as fishing, sports, etc. The change is not as drastic for my Dad as it is for Bobby because Bobby’s job is more of a lifestyle than just a job but the comparision is apropriate. For me his reaction is sad but understandable.
Retirement is hard for everyone
My dad retired last year. He was an accountant. So obviously, not the same kind of passion as being a football coach. It was a tough transition for him. I feel for Bobby. I know it must be hard for him to imagine life without FSU football. At the same time, though, my dad wasn’t making $2.5 million a year, and wrecking other people’s professional careers in the process.
That said, I hope that Bobby does enjoy his retirement, even though he will never be a “neutral” at UF.
Sad but necessary
Thanks for building this great program, but change was long overdue.
by NoleHaven on Nov 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting, that's kind of anticlimactic
Wonder if they’ll hold off till after the regular season and title games or just let the bowl news conferences do the work for them.
I wouldn’t expect much to be said on this unless Ann speaks to the media again. It’s pretty obvious that Bobby is being forced to retire here. Just giving a release without a press conference allows the illusion that this is Bobby’s decision to stay in place longer as there will be less opportunity to ask questions which would likely quickly tear down that illusion.
Is anyone else surprised?
I expected to feel jubilation. While im excited for the future, I cant help but also feel sad (maybe even more so)
by Miaminole on Nov 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
im quite somber as well
it sucks to see how much this hurts him.
Honestly I am verry conflicted about how I feel...
cant remember how long i have been waiting for this day to finally happen but the way everything happened I am surprised at how sad it made me to see the news on TV at the gym earlier.
Thanks Bobby, with time my memory of your time at FSU will revert back to the good days. Hope you enjoy life after football.
The correct term is called "bittersweet"
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Trolls remorse.
A lot of people coming down with it today.
Pot meet kettle.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Or if the shoe fits…….
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I was talking to lul because he is only here to instigate. You and me miaminole, we're hermanos.
Everyone just needs to relax because there will be a onslaught of trolls looking to bait you. The best response in many cases is to just ignore them.
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Troll can be used to describe someone who harasses another. The community out here has been harassing Bobby to retire. They have succeeded. Now they are sad.
by lul on Dec 1, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sad.
My next goal is to harrass the dumb posters on TNation until they leave too.
by MattDNole on Dec 1, 2009 6:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope mikeflynn makes a guest apperance
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
RE: Is anyone else surprised?
I’m going through the same thing; it started on Saturday when this began to feel inevitable. And you know what triggered it: it was hearing about how he’d been crying privately in the locker room. It’s more than obvious that this is long overdue, but it feels awful; I’m sure I speak for most of us when I say that I will always have great affection for Coach Bowden, regardless of what’s happened in the last decade.
comments on the espn story
show how misconstrued this story has become to the nation. We’ve become the big bad university thats kicking the nice old legend out the door.
Im happy this is finally done though. Give it a week and no one (nationally) will care that bobby’s gone.
Wow, yeah... literally 95% of the posts are slamming FSU.
What a joke. Here’s my favorite:
It is amazing that after building a program a legend can be forced out. What is also amazing is that the so called experts seem to not get the fact that the Offensive coordinator has called the plays for the last two seasons. That person is Jimbo Fisher. IMO he is a dud and should have been released ahead of Bobby. Who has had the headset on making the calls the past two seasons? Jimbo Fisher. He will be smiling all the way to the bank knowing that he was a never worth the money and the real talent has been Coach Bowden.
Unbelievable.
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Who gives a sh*t what the outsiders think. We know it had to happen. F*ck them. F*ck them all.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
exactly how I feel
I have gotten tired trying to educate the masses. Everyone acts like they have some idea what is going on in our program because they watch 2 hours of sportscenter. To hell with the naysayers.
I love that we are called bandwagoners and fair weather fans, and I have already read something like 3 FSU “fans” say they will now root against us because of how we treated him. shaking head how ironic.
And here we are in the trailer park...
Jim Smith called the moving vans and all the sheep followed. The PROBLEM with what has occurred is that our university lacked the class to handle this appropriately. Show a little respect, half of you sound like GaYtor fans who hop on here to comment. This was inevitable and necessary but it could not have been executed with less class.
I'm pretty sure
most Gators want him to coach till he has a dadgum heartattack right in the Swamp.
by Rock_and_Nole on Dec 1, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Class
FSU gave Bobby every chance to turn things around, which was the classy thing to do. When Bowden couldn’t bring himself to fire his son the PTB stepped in and bought him out, another class act. Hanging on after you can no longer do the job was a complete lack of class by Bowden. Insulting the fans and threatening the program was another classless act by the Bowden family. Cashing a massive check and doing no work for it at all was also a classless act. Lets not act like Bowden and his clan are the innocent victims here. It was time for dude to go.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
And the sad part is they bought out a assistant coach with a expiring contract, which is unprecedented.
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It could have been executed with less class. Much less.
For instance The University COULD HAVE responded to all of the BS Ann Bowden said between September and now. We’ve remained silent. The fact of the matter is there was no possible way to get Bowden out without things getting messy, other than to wait until he was ready. Which obviously was not a logical, financially sound option. Jim Smith didn’t say “I want Bobby Bowden to GTFO”. He simply said that he thinks people have been patient enough. You can argue that Smith shouldn’t have said anything, but the fact of the matter is, if he didn’t there wouldn’t have been anyone with the balls to handle this had he not applied public pressure. Jim Smith took one for the team, the school, the fans. He’ll probably be scrutinized by village idiots for years to come, but to those that understand this was a Press and Publicity nightmare for FSU no matter how it was handled, Jim Smith will rightfully be seen as a hero. As much as we appreciate and respect Bobby Bowden for the accomplishments and memories, he has proven many times in the past to be stubborn and selfish. This school has gone out of its way to appease him and made monumental sacrifices for him, going to battle for him when it probably shouldn’t and giving him an incredibly long leash to screw things up based on what he used to be capable of accomplishing.
by truenole87 on Dec 1, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Smith jumped on the bandwagon about 3-5 years too late. But I guess you would have no way of knowing that since you've only been reading here a couple of weeks. Regardless, thank you Jim Smith.
Just because I don’t give a crap on how ESPN or the national media view this situation means I live in a trailer park?
Well then let me tell you something missy, my double wide is the biggest one they make and my trailer park has a in-ground pool. So there.
The media loves this because dirt sells. Just like they loved the cheating scandal and the way the loved the fight, the suspensions, and the arrest. I have grown immune to what they write about FSU because it is usually not flattering, and that was my point.
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Get ready for
A barrage of anti-FSU press.
It’s very easy for fans of other teams to sit and scrutinize us as fans, but if they had to deal with what we have, I have a feeling they’d have a different answer.
It's not like they haven't had to deal with bad press before.
I mean, the only good press I remember was Myron Rolle. The rest of the time it’s open season on the ’Noles.
That's exactly why I refuse to check out most forums comments
They’re clueless. But then again, those are probably fans of programs that haven’t fallen into medioctrity the past decade like we have.
They also don't realize that this will ultimately be best for Bowden as well
And they’re the same people who would make fun of BB for saying stupid things at post game pc’s or looking clueless on the sideline next year, while wondering why FSU just isn’t what they used to be.
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Screw ESPN
ESPN can go jump! They have been ragging on us and Bowden even before Richt went AWOL during the National Championship game! They never missed an opportunity to put a dig in on “wide right” (like we’re the only team to lose a game due to a missed field goal!) or any time a player got in trouble.
We never heard a peep out of ESPN when gators committed countless violations. All we got was hero worship of the man who invented football- Timmie Teabag! I can’t wait to see how ESPN treats them next year!
by SeminolePete on Nov 30, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I say screw ESPN as well.
UNTIL we earn back our primetime football slots. They’ll bow down polish our knobs once again in the future.
none of my teams ever get a knob polish
if it ever happens i think it’ll feel dirty, like i’ve become what i hate.
Believe it or not.........
Espn hopped right on(FSU’s johnson) on College football live (Sunday edition) Even McShay & Herbstreit were complimentary. Basically saying FSU does have enough talent to turn it around in Bama fashion (1-2 years). The show aired 11/29 i think. I can’t believe u guys didn’t see this. Almost like ESPN gave FSU a “post-Bowden blessing”
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/11/30/1179816/florida-states-bobby-bowden#comments
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Orlando has us
Against South Carolina in the Music City Bowl
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/11/20092010-bowl-projections.html
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
where the hell is that?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
that would suck @##
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
That would be sweet for me
if it is the Music City Bowl considering I’ll be home then and Ft. Campbell is less than 45 minutes away from Nashville.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
Somewhere between the 14th and 18th of Dec.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Great news and I bet you family is thrilled. Now we just need to bring the rest of the troops home.
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I think this is most likely
It’d be my preference, we’d have a chance to win
FSU-Carolina in Nashville, that's my pick
I would think it would be impossible for the Gator to choose FSU since their are so may ACC teams that are more than a game-better in the standings. Isn’t that why the Gator is dropping the ACC, because the League wouldn’t let them take a team more than two wins worse in the standings?
I'm hoping for a rematch
want a game we can win to keep our winning seasons streak alive.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Let's get BB one last win against Spurrier!!
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
Beating USCe would be no easy task
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
I have yet to find a bowl eligble team we match up well against
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Any way we can get a middle of the road Big 10
(or as I call them “the little 11”) team? I like our chances against them more than I would against even a 6-6 UGA team.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
That's the key
No doubt about it, they would play that angle all day.
by seminoleballer on Nov 30, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty surreal and definitely bittersweet, but it's the best thing for all parties involved.
Hopefully Bowden realizes that one day soon.
I’m also proud of the BOT, TK, and boosters for taking the initiative to do what is best for the program.
Hopefully BB coaches the bowl game.
Let’s do this Jimbo!
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions
This is long overdue
and I’m ecstatic it has finally come to pass. I have been screaming for this to happen for years but wouldn’t let myself believe it until it was actually confirmed. I have nothing but respect for what Coach Bowden did to get this program to where it was. And even after all the shit he has pulled I’m not going to dance on his grave. I honestly feel sorry for the man. He’s like Creon at this point.
Have to think BB's biggest enemies have been Ann, Terry, and the B'ham Mafia
that no doubt have fostered and supported the notion that he is God and FSU is his kingdom to rule forever. Hoping that after this sinks in to him he feels a sense of relief and is open to working with the school in some capacity.
Bittersweet Indeed
Bobby is the only Florida State coach I have ever known. Just hearing the news left me feeling happy and sad all at the same time. Change is needed, that is for sure. It’s a shame it happened to end this way, but now we move on, and hopefully win some ballgames.
"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"
been a nole since 1988
that was the year I was born. Both parents attended FSU, as did my sister. Like I said earlier, it’s bittersweet. But it is the best move for the program
"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"
I wanted him out, but I feel weird now
by marlins44 on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is tough,
particularly if you are over a certain age. If you are under 25, you really never knew coach Bowden as anything but what he currently is, particularly if you didn’t grow up a Nole fan.
But I am in the latter group and did grow up a ’Nole fan.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...I'm 28 and
I don’t know anything else but Bobby. However, All good things must come to an end, and it’s time. I want to be watching a GOOD FSU team when I’m 38, not a 6-6 team who is still getting thrashed by the Gators
I've been a Nole since 1995
And Bobby is all we know. Tough is probably an understatement but this is what’s best for our program.
I have been a Nole since 1978 and Bobby is also all I've ever known. Go figure.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
For those of us like FSUED, wild@heart, and a few other who were there when we were crap, and witnessed coming full circle, this is not easy.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Been a Nole since I was born in 1970.
My grandmother went to FSU when it was a woman’s college. Truly started following FSU in 1982 when my father took me to the Gator Bowl against West Virginia. So Bowden is all I have ever known either.
I didn't know much about FSU growing up (military brat)
Graduated from HS in Puerto Rico and landed in Tally on July 15th, 1995. Since then, I bleed Garnet & Gold. Before landing at TLH, I looked through the window of the small plane and said, WTF have I gotten myself into!!!??? The city/town grew on me and consider Tally my second home.
no it is not easy
been a seminole since as long I can remember (78-79) and going to games every year since.
This is sad as like Frank, Bobby is all I’ve ever known as coach. Hell, I’ll never forget shaking his hand when I was 9 years old.
That said, 2002 seemed like the year he should have retired or maybe after that last Orange Bowl appearance.
by montverdenole on Nov 30, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I wasn’t alive when Mudra was the coach but my parents were at the school then and we still have a long way to go to equal that level on inneptitude. Bobby never spent a full season in the coordinators box like Mudra. Horrible seasons aside Mudra was an embarrasement as a coach much more than Bobby ever will be. I do understand that was are trending downward and that’s what you are referring to but it was much worse then compared to how things are now.
I have only known one coach, Bobby. I went to 2 games in 1977 when I would come up
to check out the school before deciding. Ever since I enrolled in Jan 1978 I attended every single football game in Tally, Hogtown, and Miami, until I left in 1982. Mudra means nothing to me and I agree, his 2 year 4-18 record were a complete fiasco.
I am referring to coming full circle under Bobby since the 5-6, 1976 season, and the mediocre ’81 and ’86 seasons, and back to our 3-6 loss seasons in 3 of the last 4 years.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I've been a 'Nole since '98
I come from a family of non-sports fans, so I didn’t know anything about football until I was in marching band in high school. I fell in love with the sport, and heard about this awesome college band called the Marching Chiefs, who never lost a halftime. Then I saw Chris Weinke and Sebastian Janikowski. That was all I needed.
I decided that if I was going to march in college, it would have to have been at FSU. I wound up deciding to stay local and going to a school without a football team, which I figure means I can root for whoever I want. So despite only being in Florida for one week of my life, I am a Seminole, for better or worse, and I bleed garnet and gold!
*nod
yeah hard to see this happening to Bobby. Sucks that he let his Ego bury a foot in his arse
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
92 here
When I first moved to Tally.. Never cared for sports before that.. Had a friend take me to a game .. First time i looked out on the Sea of Tomahawk chops I got goose bumps and from that moment on I was a Seminole..
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing like a Warchant at a sold-out Doak
That’s for damn sure
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I forgot what that is like
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Those days will come again
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if after experiencing doak on game day, you are still not a fan, then you aren't a sports person
My first game at Doak was the first time I started to care about College football
Copy that
I didn’t watch football at all and wouldn’t have considered FSU until I went to the ‘96 FSU-UF game. That sealed it. The girls didn’t hurt either….
My sister's bf (they were both at FSU)
Called me during my senior year in HS (Puerto Rico) and said, you have to move up here. All I picked up from that conversation was football and chics! lol
When I was trying to decide between FSU and UF,
the only reason I really and truly went to FSU aside from having a bunch of friends there, was because the women to men ratio in 1978 was 3 women to every 1 man.
In Hogtown, it was 3 guys to every 1 girl.
Even as a business major, it was something even I could figure out. A real no-brainer and after a couple of years there, I met my future wife and we were married for 15 years.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
25 and knew the old Bobby.
Been watching the ’Noles since I was about 5, so I was lucky enough to see the best of the best years. Alas, the worst years of the Bowden Era, too.
by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
24, graduated from FSU in ’07. In law school now. I grew up in Alaska, barely ever got to see FSU games on TV then, but my grandma (alumnus from the Burt Reynolds days) would send me tapes of games and t-shirts/hats/jerseys every year for X-mas.
I know what he’s done for this program, he’s a great man and a model citizen. He’s done things and inspired people on a level that I can only dream of reaching. But, like many here, I do feel it is time for him to go. It’s hard to face that reality of FSU without Bowden at the helm, but a mediocre FSU team is a reality that’s been even harder to swallow.
I'm 36 and i've been a fan since I was 5.
No one who loves FSU is going to enjoy what will happen tomorrow. We are all a Seminole family who have disagreed how to handle things but I think everyone will be relieved tomorrow whether they will admit it or not. The keys are being taken away from dad. It’s hard, nay brutal. But we know it had to happen. I love coach Bowden and always will, but he brought a lot of this on himself.
Thanks for the memories Bobby, and thank you for what you did my dad.
Appreciate you Coach Bowden
Grew up in Jacksonville and everywhere were Gator Fans losing year after year to Georgia. Then my older sister went to FSU from Converse then my older brother from Furman to FSU. All during that time the “King of the Road” was beating Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, all the national powers playing anyone anywhere. I was hooked and attended myself in the early eighties. Charming, winning, warm, recruiting machine. If Bowden came to momma’s house it was over!
by nole34 on Nov 30, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it is tough but...
I have been a fan for 25 years and hate to see it end like this but the program needs some new blood and this will be for the best in the long run.
Been watching CFB/FSU since 1986
so I saw the rise and fall of FSU.
I probably saw a bowl game here and there before that, but that would’ve been it. Definitely have no memories prior to 1986 of CFB.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Been a Nole since birth - 1976
My grandmother went there when it was the college for women. My father graduated in ‘68. My sister in ’94. Me in ’99. A few uncles and aunts – I could go on and on. Bittersweet is the correct word. He is the only coach I’ve known yet I’ve known for a while that his time has passed. So many mixed emotions.
Jimbo 2010
24 says a lot
Bein a 24 year old Nole fan says a lot (I hope), considering the fact that I came into the school in 03, graduated in 07 and saw a single ACC Championship, and a single win over the Gators…lol. So the fact that Ive stuck by the Noles says somthin…right??? But I will never give up on the Noles….Bobby is all I have ever known, and I really can not wait until the Jimbo era to begin.
by LetsGoNoles on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that it does
particularly when so many in your situation have gone and rooter for the Gators.
But we did win the ACC in 2005…
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that
I got there in fall of 02 and am in that same boat. It’s been rough cause a few of my roommates and co-workers were canes and gators fans. But I’ll never give up on the Noles, with or without Bobby.
by Rock_and_Nole on Dec 1, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I have witnessed the worst 4 year strech in decades
I started in ’06, so I have seen back to back 7-6 seasons, a 9-4 season, and perhaps another 7-6 (or 6-7) this year. Not one win against the Gators, and only one was competitive (21-14 UF in ’06). But I still bleed Garnet and Gold.
you sir
Are as true to the Noles as anyone. Most of us have memories of the 90’s to sustain us. You have…………….. your conviction, good for you!
Been a fan for as long as I can remember
Grew up a fan and am currently a student so it won’t sink in until I don’t see Bobby on the sideline for the first time. However, I have faith in Jimbo’s ability and it’s going to be just as exciting to begin a new era. I can just sense the collective cussing of UF and UM fans under their breath as they realize they will have to compete against a functional FSU coaching staff
It hurt to do this
but BB….it had to be done
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
I believe it is proprietary to another site
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Also
Who has the JF “Hope” pic?
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Sorry wrong thread
I believe it is proprietary to another site
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
And a new era begins
It will be strange not to see Bowden at FSU, but I am excited for the future of the program and a chance to finally move forward.
Bittersweet indeed...
thanks for everything Bobby. But damn you were a fool to do it this way on your way out.
I’m also curious about the recruiting matters that are being wrapped up. I am pretty clueless when it comes to recruiting rules. Is there anything Jimbo can/should do while he is still HCIW, that he can’t do as coach?
I can’t wait for him to write those pink slips and for him to attempt to do what he can to make this class great.
Fire away
Now all the bandwagons or johnny-come-lately ‘fans’ can rejoice. Sad you don’t know. So now you’ll be able to get on-line and brag about your team to your friends. Shallow.
I’ve been a Nole since 78 and I agree it is time for a change. But it’s sad/ironic that low-class ‘fans’ can kick Bobby to the curb, yet be fans of the very program he built.
what fans exactly are you talking about?
the overall theme here seems to be “bittersweet.”
Did you bother to read any of the posts in this thread before you shot your mouth off?
by ArsonistSavior on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It all started
when BB and the rest of his clan considered themselves bigger than the university. As much as all Nole fans love him for what he did, his actions and the words out of ann’s mouth are undeniably what pitted FSU vs BB. It shouldn’t have had to happen this way but as we feel bad ( I do too) just remember that BB could’ve handled this much, much better
It's definitley for the best and I wanted it to happen
but this is kind of surreal. I feel crappy it had to come to this. He is the only coach in my lifetime and not seeing him on the sideline will be strange. It had to happen though.
It will take time, but I really want to remember the guy I grew up watching. Anytime, Anywhere. Octoberfest, Punt Rooskie. It’s a run we’ll never see again.
It is sad that it came to this
But it is the biggest relief I have felt in quite some time. A Mangino sized weight off of the shoulders of this program. Thanks for what you’ve given us Bobby, it will be a strange sight to see a sideline without you indeed.
>>---l>
Welcome to the Jimbo Fisher era everybody.
by sealclubber on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I sense good thing a-coming
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er...things
durrr
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Sweet Jesus
Put me down for season tickets.(4)
by Noleit on Nov 30, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Keyshawn Johnson making a fool of himself on espn...
He showed the play where Sanderson didn’t move on the OL and poked fun at him saying he had no idea what was going on. Actually key, YOU are the one with no idea of what is going on.
That's not really news
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I can't hate on Key.
He’s the only one of those schmucks who ever picks the Fins. Berman’s always banging on about how the “Jets always have the Dolphins’ number,” and Key always leaves him shutting his fool mouth.
by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
For the un-initiated
I never understood the reasoning for the O-line staying in stance on an offsides. Most teams would take a shot downfield as a “free play”.
Is it to prevent any confusion (i.e. refs calling a false start)?
Yes
It is to guarantee the free 5
Then we run a set play off it
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
We always run that same play though....
I think it should be changed game by game to give it a shot to work. Good defenses now know that play and are prepared for it…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I think he meant a set play for the game
Which means it changes from game to game
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Here's why
It’s still a free play, if the line doesn’t move, the QB knows it’s a free play, if they move he may or may not recognize this, also if someone jumps, the QB is probably going to be rushed anyways. If the line doesn’t move, you remove all doubt in the officials mind about who jumped, so you make sure you don’t get called for it. If you’re a fan of the opposition you will probably make fun of the line for exercising such discipline, but you will also probably be upset that your team jumped offsides more than they usually do. It happened like 3 -4 times on Saturday and it has been that way all season, so IMO, it works.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yea Nutz Bowl (aka Emerald Bowl)
We live just down the road and saw the Noles beat UCLA in PacBell Park just 3 years ago. We will be at the game, flyin’ the Nole flags from the car. That was the first time I had seen the Noles live since ’90, when we moved west. Damn, I hope it is the Nutz bowl.
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and Watson over Bradham on the 2nd team
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fail
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Nesbitt's good
I don’t think that’s such a joke. He runs GT’s offense perfectly. Duke QB got some love too.
It’s not a throwing offense. What can I say? He’s got good individual numbers and is the guy leading one of the nation’s best offenses. Who would you of put ahead of him? (aside CP7).
his completion % is under 50%
You could put Jermaine Thomas at QB for GT and he’d lead a decent attack.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Who is your ACC first team QB?
I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything. The selection stands out to me for the same reasons, but he’s done what he’s supposed to do.
I'd also put Lewis and Skinner, Harris and Taylor over him
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s interesting reviewing the guys some. I don’t like Harris because he’s a pro style QB with 900 picks and probably the best group of receivers in the ACC. I like Lewis a lot but he’s got no help.
I’m completely biased for my love of CP7 and his complete game, but I don’t think Nesbitt’s pick after him is so blasphemous. He’s accounted for a lot of touchdowns on his own and he is the most important cog in that offense (more-so than Dwyer).
I don’t completely disagree though, I don’t think he’s any sort of unanimous pick for first team sans Ponder, don’t get me wrong. Just sayin’, Nesbitt’s perfect for that offense and that offense rolls. Georgia game proved it don’t roll without him.
Exactly that's the whole one-game away rule
which is what led them to drop the ACC in the first place. Unless someone is thinking that the Gator will say screw the deal and pick who they want since this is the last year of their deal with the ACC.
Thanks for the memories Bobby....
I hope Coach Bowden lives a long and healthy life. He richly deserves it. I work with a lot of people his age….there thinking is skewed. Sorry it had to happen this way. Bring on the Jimbo era!!!!
we need amato when the new semester starts
make sure everyone has their rooms tidy.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon Champs Sports Bowl!!
I wanna beat up on another crappy Big Ten team
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That was fun last year
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If we played this year it would be a different result
Last year our defense was terrible against spread teams and good against non spread teams. This year we are terrible against everyone.
by tdchrisdavis on Nov 30, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dude...
You could give someone a day to prep for our defense and you would get the same result. Seriously, what play doesn’t work against us, which style, take your pick,, its going for 6. A monkey could draw plays out of a hat.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Jeff Bowden could screw it up.
Oh, and we stopped the jump pass. The first time Tebow had not completed a jump pass and it was in his last game at the Swamp. I think we all understand FSU ruined his career with that one defensive stand. That was better than winning the game.
Yeah, it would have been really great if we could have stopped the next play too, but I agree it was a nice small victory and I think it was a heck of a play by White, of course the announcers and ESPN say it was a tackle, of course it wasnt cause the official was standing right there and the TE didn’t even get off the line.
by vanillathrilla83 on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Actions -> Rec
instead of +1. Thanks.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
by DA-2 on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No press conference
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Ann's not going quietly
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/11/30/bowden.future.ap/index.html
No wonder Bobby doesn’t want to quit, he needs somewhere to go and get away from Ann.
hahaha
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oh wait....
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I largely blame Bobby's sons for this debacle.
They are the ones who should have sat the both of the parents down and told them that it is over (about 5 years ago), and to go home and play with their grandkids, their family for petessake, and not the media.
its not a pretty picture of that family.
I could not live with myself if I did nothing to stop a situation that ended up with my 80-year old father crying (as Bobby was prior to the postgame press conference) after finishing a day of work.
Notre Dame!
there boards are buzzing over Bobby Bowden retiring calling it Bowden Watch! ……I guess one man’s trash is another man’s treasure……I hope Bobby does sign with the Irish and shows all the nay sayers………..just an opinion don’t flip out!
And you thought Weis sucked...
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I just cant believe the incredible irony in the fact that at Bobby Bowden's last home
game as head coach, the program honored Mickey Andrews.
Unbelievable.
BB never wanted a farewell tour
So yeah, it’s not as crazy as it sounds
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But I am not even talking about a farewell tour. I'm simply saying at his last home game,
the thanks went to Mickey Andrews, and he was the one carried off the field.
Makes me smile
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Bowden's had a 9 year farewell tour
and FSU has paid handsomely for it…
by FSUjab on Dec 1, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its going to be strange.......
It has always been Bobby Bowden leading the Seminoles……We were lucky to experience it!!!
Yeah it will
“and your head coach, JIMBO FISHER!!!”
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Damn, same reaction for me gentlemen.
This is tough. Real tough. You know those situations where something just has to be done, it is the right thing to do, but that does not make it hurt any less? This is it. I, as most of you, have been calling for him to step down since the early part of the Lost Decade. But now that it has been realized, though I without a doubt KNOW its necessity is more so now than ever, it still doesn’t make it any easier. I have the same scenario a lot of you do: 32 years old, born in Tallahassee, Mom went to FSU, I did too, have followed every game since 1986, and met Bobby personally when I got the Seminole Club of Lee County Scholarship out of High School. Now that the bleeding has stopped, I will try to remember him pre-Lost Decade as opposed to what he has melted into. Goodbye, Bobby.
OT: I just realized we have no commits from the Rivals.com top 100
Damn
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God willing
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Bowl Hope: Music City Bowl against UGA
What better way to send Bobby out than to have him go up against Mark Richt? What a fantastic blast from the past kind of game that could turn out to be.
Gator Bowl will offer if it is Bowden's last game...
new year’s day bowl unthinkable but sources have confirmed that they will offer
O_o
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$$$$$$
That’s what happens when you generate cash flow for there bowl association with all those games in Jacksonville…
Problem is Jacksonville needs people to come and stay at the hotels
We won’t do that because we live so close to JAX
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Isn't there some sort of pregression?
When choosing bowls? Otherwise couldn’t bowls just pick whoever they wanted every year?
I believe that is what they do after the automatic BCS bid
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Negative
Any bowl can offer to any team just not BCS how do you think notre dame gets good bowls with a horrible record $$$$$$
Incorrect, Notre Dame has deals with the Gator and Sun
The ACC’s Bowls are slotted as follows
* #1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the ACC Championship Game receives an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, almost always to the FedEx Orange Bowl.
* #2 The Chick-fil-A Bowl receives the second choice of ACC teams.
* #3 The Gator Bowl receives the third choice of ACC teams.
* #4 The Champs Sports Bowl receives the fourth choice of ACC teams.
* #5-7 The Music City Bowl, Meineke Car Care Bowl, and Emerald Bowl reach mutual agreement on which teams each will take with the fifth, sixth, and seventh selections. If mutual agreement cannot be reached, they receive the selection preference in the order given. The loser of the ACC Championship game is guaranteed to fall no lower than the Music City Bowl.
* #8 The EagleBank Bowl receives the eighth choice of ACC teams. This slot will be an at-large slot and not an ACC team because the ACC only produced seven bowl-eligible teams in 2009. It will most likely go to a MAC team because that conference has a contingency contract for this slot, and has more 7-win teams (5) than regular bowl slots (3).
* #9 The GMAC Bowl receives the ninth choice of ACC teams. This slot is an at-large slot for the same reason as the EagleBank Bowl; however, the GMAC Bowl has no contingency contract for this slot.
Guidelines actually…that they have not always followed..in the end it is there choice and it can be influenced by money…in there eyes Bowden’s last game is a gloden ticket
But
the problem here is that they might need an exemption. And the ACC and the Gator Bowl are at odds.
True...
But I think in the end the amount of money over the last few years Bowden has generated for the Gator Bowl Association will influence the final result…Most non BCS bowls have a clauses that states that in the end it is there choice remember they are the ones footing the bill not the conferences. And they are accountable for the bottom line as far as generating revenue
The ACC has a rule where you can't pick a team that has more than one loss more than a team with a better record
So it basicly forces bowls to go down the conference record and in recent years has been bad for ACC bowls at the top.
It’s also why the Gator kicked the ACC to the curb and will basicly be taking the Outback’s SEC spot next year.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 1, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
good point (like when the Gator took Clemson over FSU last year)
But I think the ACC’s bowls are restricted from taking a team that is more than a win worse than another. Clemson was 7-5 and FSU was 8-4 a year ago, so the Gator had an “in” there. If Clemson was 6-6 last year, they would have been stuck with FSU. But this is the last year of the Gator’s ACC deal, so they may say screw it, and take FSU anyway.
True again
But it wasn’t his last game…..under the circumstances if last year was Bowden’s last game they would have…..remember that generated alot of rifts too…like hey I brought you all this money and….
Agree
I don’t think it is a good bowl for us because we will get pasted!….but that’s the word as of now….it’s about how many people can you pack in in the stadium to see Bowden’s last game that’s what it will be billed as……remember it’s a business not a charity if UNICEF gets into the Bowl Business maybe it will be fair
Agreed, the Gator Bowl may just "screw it" ...
and take FSU, which is fine by me. Course, that would match FSU against Pitt or West Virginia (or Cincinnati, if they lose to Pitt and does not get an at-large BCS bid.
or
FSU – Notre Dame.. that would bring in some money for two 6-6 teams who would otherwise not have brought in so much!
two former powerhouses
with 6-6 records and fired head coaches!
Call me bitter, cold or spiteful
This is the best news I have heard in a decade and I feel Bobby is owed ZERO. Goodbye, move on and just WIN baby!
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
OT: Steve Ellis died?!?!
Where the hell was I when that happened?
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Ellis was the first mainstream writer to call for Bobby to step down (I think).
And he does not get to see Bobby retire. Irony all the way around.
Steve was the first one, but he really respected Bobby and had covered Bobby and FSU for 25 years and I am sure that was a very difficult story for him to print.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
You know they're gonna try to reach Ann for comment
I think she very well may say something epically stupid
>>---l>
they wont have the ability to make the situation that messy.
The sad truth of the matter is that by friday (the day before the Fla-Alabama game), no one will care about what the Bowdens have to say anymore. 24-hour news cycle, and all.
I have some footage of Jimbo returning to the athletic department
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpFgKoH1Quw
I like how he handles himself.
by 38Noles on Nov 30, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Worst part about it is
Bowden won’t even have a chance to be honored the right way. Mickey Andrews got a nice send off in what will be Bowden’s last home game. Hows that for a kick in the groin
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Thank you Jesus!
Be prepared to take some heat because of this. I’m happy this is happening, I’ve been one of the most avid people wanting Bowden to go, but I can’t help but feel sad now that it has finally come to fruition. Thank you Bobby, for all that you have done, you will always be known as one of the greats and THE greatest FSU football coach ever. Let a new era begin. GO NOLES!
We timed it well. Monday Night football and Notre Dame are bigger stories.
If Tom Brady gets hurt, it won’t even make ESPN front page.
Not to worry.
They’ll throw enough flags if anybody gets within the same zip code of Brady’s knee that Bowden will get bumped to page 2 anyway.
by Drew J Jones on Nov 30, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
I really hope Bobby doesn’t take after Ann and try to smear the university and vilify them for making the CORRECT decision. Let’s pray this all goes over relatively smoothly and no hard feelings with Bowden are involved.
by FloridaState on Nov 30, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Amato is also the one who directed Tebow to talk to Bobby
Tebow wasn’t going on his own, Amato started to search to Bobby so that they could talk post-game (actually, that’s not fair to Tebow, he may have asked Amato to help him find Bobby), but I remember seeing in the post-game smozz that Amato was yelling “Where’s Bobby?” when talking to Tebow. It was audible on tv as well (somehow) – must’ve had a mike on Tebow (I keed, I keed – in my best Triumph).
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
It's on the ticker of Fox News.....
My mom just called and “informed” me that Bowden was retiring.
Ha.
I’m ecstatic
This should have been done in 2007. I have the utmost faith in Coach Fisher and the staff he will bring into his program (that was fun to write).
I am also very optimistic that many of the key recruits on our board have not committed yet, and that the current recruiting class will be not only salvaged, but exceed expectations.
I hope Coach Bowden and Ann enjoy their cruise.
Foosball is the devil
Anything to be made of Bobby and Ann telling people that nothing has been decided and thats why they are meeting tomorrow?
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I’m starting to think Bowden’s dementia makes him forget the details of this situation. Either that or journalists are writing articles based on old quotes.
Probably just meeting to decide if wants to be an "ambassodor" or just move on..
I’d guess he’s getting the night to mull that one over, though I think he just moves on.
Everyone should prepare themselves to savor the moment, and remember where you were when you first hear
YOUR NEW FLORIDA STATE HEAD COACH JIMBO FISHER
That will feel really weird, sad, and exhilarating all at the same time.
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I'm not sure how to feel about all of this.
I grew up listening to Gene on the radio call games from Lincoln to Baton Rouge to Clemson. Saturdays were spent reading Bill McGrotha in the morning and listening to Gene in the evening. I knew his name before I ever knew his face, and he was legendary to me then. But after this past decade, my respect for him eroded. I barely cared when we won or lost this year at times.
I suspect that one day I will remember him in the 80s and 90s. But for now, his destruction of one the best programs in the nation is too fresh and too ugly.
The day my son, who is now 25, came home from the hospital
I watched the Noles cream Miami. Zeek Mowat’s famous catch and runover six Hurricanes. You want to go back, I can take you there. I remember Daryl Mudra.
Chief Osceola
for a guy born in 73
it’s kinda neat to read about memories of those who came before me.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
HALLEJUHA!!!
Now that our AD finally sacked up, we can get on with the business of building a competitive football program.
PS-Bobby, do us a favor and DON’T coach the bowl game!
I understand
Your enthusiasm but when was it celebrated in history when any coach goes 33 years of without a losing season a celebration…it may be the right thing but come one…….I dare you to find 1 case of that happening ……I will save you the time there is none…..since you are such a fan what was the record of FSU 12 years prior to Bowden???? It’s kinda of like having your dad buried have some respect
Please do not compare buring your dead father to a man who coached a "game"
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Would You Say!
That growing up knowing BB as FSU coach and watching the good times and now seeing him come under(Burried) scrutiny and speculation as not being being buried….as forced from something that he loves…….Find 1 man who has ever walked this world that wanted to be buried…..does that put it into better speculation for you?
Dude, what's up with the whole buried thing?
I’m as sad/shocked/glad as everyone right now, nobody wanted to see him go out like this, or buried as you keep saying, however he really ended up burying himself at the end of the day, sad to say.
If you put it in those terms
I would say he dug his own grave
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
REALLY? DON'T TANGLE WITH BEARS!
You mourn and I’ll “celebrate”! The games that I attended the past three seasons at Doak was a combined 5-7. That’s ridiculous! And the head coach has no answers except to promote and retain ineffective coaches. This is not his job for life. Perform or go to Europe!
Oh, to show you how much of a fan of FSU: 1) Class of 1994
2) Met my wife… a Nle Girl!
3) We were a combined 66-60-5 the twelve years prior to Bowden.
They actually fired Ann and her big mouth also
Don’t let the door hit you in the azz big boy. Take Ann and go to Europe and shake the mud off your shoes on the way. Your self evaluation has been completed.
Hang a few bars of Mendelssohn’s Hallelujah chorus.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I've been pissed off this entire season and calling for Bobby's head
but now that it’s actually happened, it’s extremely bittersweet. He cannot come back in any coaching capacity, but it’s unfortunate that he didn’t afford us the opportunity to truly honor him in the way he deserved. He may not have wanted a farewell tour and I fully understand that, but he deserved to be honored in his final home game. We deserved to be able to honor him. His players deserved to have him go out with his head high and his coaches supporting him. He deserved to be carried off the field and into the sunset.
Instead we have a bunch of lame duck coaches running through the motions for another month of practice and one more game. And one of the greatest coaches in college football history embattled and bitter trying to keep his position.
Tools Whore
Don't feel bad
In business you get what you negotiate, not what you deserve. BB and his team chose their negotiation path, and now he will get to live with it.
Foosball is the devil
I understand that is the path he's choosen.
The truly great rarely go out gracefully. Not many go out like Ted Williams. Most hang on to long because of their gigantic egos. It was their egos that made them great, believing that the could out perform their opponents no matter what the situations and unfortunately, they rarely can see their own decline because they’ve been better than everyone else for so long.
But my point was the fans, coaches and most of all, his players deserved for him to bow out gracefully and hand the team over to Jimbo showing a united front. Instead we have a lot of bitterness throughout the entire program and that will take several months to a year to get over and that’s really what saddens me.
Tools Whore
I am over it already, who is the defensive coordinator
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Defensive staff
Since it appears BB will skip a press con tomorrow, maybe CTC and Allen will hold a joint conference tomorrow to announce their departures.
If so, could this week get any better?
Foosball is the devil
I agree
100% with you. I’ve been calling for his head for a while now, and thought I’d just be jumping for joy and grinning from ear to ear when I heard this news, but I can’t help but feel sad now that it has actually happened. It doesn’t seem real. I don’t know FSU football without Bobby Bowden, and it really does suck that he has to go out like this. But yes, bittersweet describes it perfectly. I’m not nearly as ecstatic as I thought I would be.
by FloridaState on Nov 30, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
advice to bobby: what it is the 12-steppers say about "accepting the things I cannot change?"
the ball’s is still in his court as to how he is looked up in the future.
Master Po
Do not exalt the king nor denigrate the potter, simply except what cannot be changed
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Thanks Bobby
This is a sad day for me and fellow brethren of the college football cloth. Thanks Bobby for making our football program what it is. A POWERHOUSE! We will be back at the top with your successor Jimbo and dedicate our 1st new title to you. Keep it 3rd and Manageable BB god bless you
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 30, 2009 9:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bobby Bowden....
While i am excited about the future of FSU with Jimbo running things i must admit that this is a VERY bitter/sweet day for me. I am 26yrs old and the ONLY face i have EVER associated with FSU is that of Bobby Bowden. It has been a PLEASURE growing up watching the Greatest Coach Ever take the Greatest Team Ever to heights that No other College Team will ever reach. One thing that should have been noticed earlier by the Administration is current players view of Bowden compared to former players view. Back in the Glory Days he was so much more involved in every aspect of the game. Ive heard numerous past players talk about Bowden coming to their homes durning recruitment and even becoming a Father Figure to many of them. For some of them Bobby Bowden was the ONLY father they ever knew. Current players have been quoted say: “He’s like your grandpa, you just dont want to disrespect him”
I will be FOREVER greatful for the places you took FSU, and you will ALWAYS remain the Greatest Coach in History to me. Thank You and you will ALWAYS be in EVERY Seminole Fan’s Heart!!!
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 30, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions
Greek, Shakespearian, and Biblical trajedy, pick one
His decline and fall is classic. More material than needed for a 100 term papers at FSU. Samuel Johnson’s “folly,” Or for bible reading, try Proverbs 16:18 (pride going before the fall, etc). I wonder what Bobby reads in the good book every morning, probably the story of Job. Have the boils appeared yet? Ann could be reading about Gog and Magog, evil conspiracy all around us
Chief Osceola
I gotta say.... Its going to be weird.
Since Bobby Bowden has been at FSU since before I was born, I obviously have never known Seminole football without him. I sure cant wait though. For the first time in years, there is hope for the Noles! A young, energetic, intelligent head coach with a cohesive, young, energetic, intelligent staff…. exciting times indeed.
My first home game at Doak
Was watching Larry Key run the ball all over the gaters. Did a lot of underage drinking so I don’t remember much except the jingling of the keys. When I graduated in ‘81 we had finally become the rising national power everyone feared playing. Ended up getting season tickets in ’91 and have kept them through thick and now the thin. My youngest boy was born in ’93 and I took him to every game. When he got old enough, I sent him off to Bowden Camp where the coach in charge of his floor was Odell Haggins. I have kept his picture with Coach Bowden in my wallet and on my wall through a divorce and custody battle. It gave me hope to keep fighting. I finally won and I am a single parent raising him. He’s the starting FS on his HS team.
Tonight, over dinner, I took out that picture. We both got a little choked up. Then he said, “It’s sad the way he had to go out like this but he should have stepped down sooner.”
My kid barely remembers the glory years. He’s tired of catching hell from all of the fair weather gater fans at school. But he’s loyal.
I just wish Coach Bowden was loyal enough years ago. Not to have hired his son, not to have re-hired Amato, but most of all, not to have drug this football program down before making a graceful exit.
If he were as loyal, or at least clear thinking, it would have never come to this.
I still love the old man and am grateful for the joy he gave us.
by mudra on Nov 30, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 18 recs
Def a REC...
Great post man, its gonna be WEIRD going to the first home game next year…
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 30, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I was
also born in 93 and your son and i have alot of similarities haha but i wasnt lucky enough to have a fsu dad i have a whole entire miami family and when i mean entire i mean 40 people haha well idk why im an fsu really i just have been one since i was 2. i have no idea but i am the youngest i like to think of my self has the smartest and thats why i chose fsu haha im not a scUM at all and when you said your son is loyal and takes shit from bandwagon gator fans haha i have the same problem but i just say whats the choke at doak and they say what? and i say oh not a real gator fan haha but i dont even remember the glory days but i really hope this new era will bring new ones i also play DB for my varsity football team haha and i want to attend fsu
but best of wishes man peace
by thugzmansion on Nov 30, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Mudra, are you related to Bobby's predecessor?
What was you major, did we know each other?
Chief Osceola
mudra, what you fail to remember is that the drinking age back then was still 18, so technically it wasn't underage drinking.
Remember Fred’s Backdoor next to the Whattaburger with the .25 drinks, The Down Under, Bullwinkles, Big Daddy’s out on the desolate Appalachee Parkway, and the Phyrst/Sherod’s next to the Chi O house where Ted Bundy murdered the coeds, and which all of a sudden put a damper on “dating” for a few months due to paranoia.
You young kids please remember that things were different back then and we didn’t know what you know today. So please, turn the volume down on that stuff you call music, please don’t drink, don’t smoke or snort drugs, and abstain or at the very least practice safe sex. Oh who am I kidding, go wild, go nuts. It’s the best years of your life.
Good God I’m old, but at least I don’t feel or act it, so maybe I will make it to close to Bobby’s age.
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Yes to all of the above.
Fred’s was dangerous. Wild Turkey Night. Oooof. So was the Phyrst… 50 cent Heinekens on Monday nights. Poolside at Cash Hall. Getting pissed about no respect from the national media….you know the drill.
God Bless the Noles! May we return to greatness soon.
Thanks for all the recs.
That's it
That’s how it should be…..congrats to you…..It may be time to move on but How can you forget or disrespect want someones has done for you. I applaud you that was the best and finest post so far
here's a story that makes the news sound not so sure he's gone
i sure as hell hope this isnt true. he was given an option to return as an ambassador and support FSU. he chose not to. to me, that speaks volumes of what’s important to bobby bowden, his ego.
I think we can rest assured he’s done. The Democrat wouldn’t be printing the story unless they were certain.
sounds to me like he just wants to make it seem like it was his decision.
then again, he has been coaching for what, 50 years? He probably doesnt know what he is saying right now. However he handled things the last 5 years, its gonna be a rough, rough night for him tonight.
Ironic too that he will go out like the Bear
On the shoulders of his players after (hopefully) winning an insignificant bowl game. In Bobby’s case I hope he makes it around the golf course for a couple more years. It would really heal some wounds if he could come back to Doak at some point when we are relevant again and soak up the adoration before a big big game.
Damn it was time though. Been a fan since 1977 or so and it’s been sad watching the decline. I am very pro-Jimbo and hopeful that he can really change the culture of the place. From marketing to PR to gameday experience, everything needs a fresh smart modern approach.
It’s time Noles.
Me too...
went to FSU in 77-78, Bobby’s 2nd and 3rd years. I agree too, the way the offense played this year I’m ready to see what Jimbo does in charge of the whole thing.
Show'em Bobby
Don’t show up for the bowl game, be petulant, condescending, have Ann scream betrayed! LOL
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
lol.....sad thing is....
that is likely their game plan.
funny how...
Charlie Weis got the top story on ESPN Sportscenter Now.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
Mark Schlabach was pretty accurate in his most recent interview
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
It had more meat
I hate ND, but they had a presser, we had a reporter standing outside a building talking about what he heard. For whatever reason, I would like a press conference and I imagine most of the questions would be about good ole’ days vs a bunch of muck raking, but I guess Bobby doesn’t want that.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 30, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing those UAB rumours were foundless then?
At least I hope so. I wouldn’t want to see Bobby (literally) roaming the sidelines for a couple of years somewhere else in an attempt to get to 400 wins.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
My 1st year at FSU..1976..was Bobby's 1st year
Grew up a USC fan (the real USC) as my dad is from SoCal and raised me as such. Became an immediate life-long fanatical Seminole that first year. Saw the dynasty come and go…along with the rise and fall of BB. Bittersweet it is. I loved the guy for years but that unraveled within about 2 years after the JF hire and what I took to be the un-masking of the real BB and Bowden clan. The lost decade has been a true Greek tragedy, for BB and Seminole fans. I do feel sorry for him but he has brought all of this on himself. He would be way ahead of Paterno in wins and possibly the owner of at least another NC ring if he had hired the best OC available instead of JF, and would be able to retire now on top of the CFB world. Sad indeed. Thanks Bobby and good luck Jimbo, you now have the keys to the kingdom, so make it happen and get us back where we belong!
Well said
And I would have loved him even more had it not dragged on with JF.
I’ll love him more if he handles this with class in the coming weeks.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the memories Bowden
Especially the good ones.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Wow
I’m not a FSU grad or fan, but I am a college football fan. I’ve been reading through the archives of this blog for an hour on the coaching situation at FSU. I can’t believe the hell Bowden has put this school through over the past couple of years.
And of course the national media believes Bowden should go whenever he chooses. It’s very obvious they are misinformed on the real situation at FSU.
Good luck to Bobby Bowden and thank you for making college football better.
Good luck to FSU
And good luck to Jimbo Fisher.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 30, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks and feel free to spread the truth
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
my first year at fsu was 2007
so it’s been a rough couple of years.
My first year at FSU was 2005
At least I got an ACC title to brag about :)
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
I had 2002-2005, then 2006-2009. I feel a bit cheated. It will be kinda funny if Jimbo gets us back on track and most of the bad years end up being when I was in school.
My first year at FSI was 2005
Hey 38 Noles.
The Noles never beat crappy Gators teams the whole time I was at FSU, (1971 through 1974 Seasons), but Bobby came two years later and my life was better for twenty-five years, (until 2001). You weren’t cheated. Ride the wave when you have the money and prestige to throw better parties than anything you could in college for a 2012 national championship contending team. Same buddies, (fly them in) and a bunch of smart pretty women, (in that order of priority). Miix and repeat each year. Eventually you might have watched a whole bunch of good Nole football and in the meantime you and your buddies may run into some ladies who are inexplicably willing to spend a lifetime with you and your buds as their partners. That is not getting cheated.
My first year was 2001
That’s when I became a noles fan too. Being from Brazil, a country with no such thing as college sports, I never understood the magnitude of CFB till my first game at Doak. Been bleeding Garnet and Gold since, and remember that was 2001, so I was never a fan during the glory days. I lived through 6 L’s in a row to UM and now 6 in a row to UF but my die hard love for the Garnet and Gold will never go away.
Thanks, Coach.
For the good times, even as a recent (’05) alumnus and witness to history. However, I among most that post here will welcome the new regime with open arms given its production thus far. May I commend FSUn and the rest of the top-level TN guys for spot-on analysis throughout this entire saga.
Sidenote
Can you explain your avatar? My friend has that as his facebook profile pic.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
What he posted :)
Great series, btw. Especially season 1. Although I currently have the “Hope” Jimbo Fisher pic as my profile pic.
I can't help but feel sad.
I know it’s the right move, and as a Penn State fan I only have a latent interest, but it’s really the end of an era. All the best to Bowden.
Just hope and pray that things end with JoePa in a much different manner
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Give it up for Tomahawk Nation!
Not that i had my doubts or anything, but what this story does – is truly give Tomahawk nation some serious credibility. The report was made yesterday on this site, and TN had it right. The two options they gave Bowden in ESPN’s report (stay with limited role, or retire) were given to us from FSUuncensored, and the guys A LONG TIME AGO.
I see a lot of comments from people a lot of the time saying “how do you know” or “were did you get this from” and I too myself wonder about these things, but this report I think solidifies it all. Way to go guys!…now I have to go back and see what you guys say about who the insiders say our next DC is….
I know – Im a kiss A$$!!
by LetsGoNoles on Nov 30, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
After all is said and done
I hope Bowden doesn’t become another Bobby Knight and hold the schools decision against them for the rest of his life. It would be nice to see him again at Doak Campbell.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
not sure that’ll happen. i read somewhere he mentioned going back to UF as a neutral fan. to me, that does not sound like a man that bleeds G and G! his conduct as of late would prove he has his own self interests at heart.
I take no pleasure in his demise.
We recently had our Sony 8 and VHS tapes converted to DVDs which we watched with the family last week. There were my babies crawling around, and it often seemed an FSU game was playing in the background. Soon after they could speak they were saying they were Seminoles. We a lived a block from the stadium and I would take them to practices during 90-93. Bobby was a part of our lives.
I wish the send-off was more than $1M. That it’s not suggests to me that he and Ann may have finally alienated those closest to him and the program— the booster organization he helped to build. Such a rift would have taken more than the losses.
It is a sad ending. I plan to take a lesson in humility from this.
AC gets confirmation from "high ranking FSU official."
Bobby Bowden to retire, a high-ranking FSU official confirms
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And here is the full story, TN delivers tomorrow's new today.
Source confirms: FSU’s Bobby Bowden to retire as head football coach at Florida State
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Ouch
Nice jab someone made in the comments section to TN.
by FloridaState on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
That's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said.
Whate a joke those petulant kids are.
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It was in AC's blog. Someone should straighten out this idiot and post a link,
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Thanks
It was a cut and paste job basically from one of my posts the other day, but hopefully it will get some more eyes on this site over here so it gets the exposure it deserves.
Frank, you should be flattered…that guy referred to you as a “kid”!
Jokes on him. Petulant-very possible (I have been called much worse), kid-in my dreams.
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You know
he could just be announcing his retirement…
After the 2010 season ;)
This pretty sums up Ann
Ann Bowden said. “… We’re looking forward to the rest of our life together, whatever we’ve got offered to us.”
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Its tough to be startled by anything that has gone down in this saga, but if this excerpt
from the article is true, its, well, startling…
“According to one high-ranking source, Bowden didn’t officially decide to retire until after the initial reports had surfaced that he’d already retired.”
I mean, what?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
I am going to disagree with that, but
I also don’t agree that those options were presented to Bowden.
what do you mean? You disagree with what the source is alleging, that Bobby decided to
retire only after the reports came out?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
I believe that the retirement occured before initial source surfaced.
The HC retiring is not something you guess on.
well, I sure as heck hope so. I sure hope that statement isnt true.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Anyone ever see Cocktail?
There was a quote I love…“Everything ends badly, otherwise it wouldn’t end.”
Thanks for the memories coach, and here’s hoping Jimbo can make some new ones.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Sort of like a death in the family
Having recently lost my dad what is going on now reminds me of that on a much lesser scale. All day today I have been talking to other Noles about the good times and the bad and how we move on. I’m 29 now so of course I have only known Bowden as a coach. I remember running around any empty yard or park playing football and pretending to be Warrick Dunn. I remember being shocked when UVA stopped us at the goal line for the win. Remember smiling ear to ear and winning a ton of money from Hokies who actually thought they would beat us. But more than anything I remember sitting in the living room with my dad watching FSU football every Saturday, and will never forget my dad yelling at Thad Busby for some dumb throw he could be counted on to make every game.
I am a bit sad to see Bobby go, but happy for what this means for the program. I want my kid to have memories of watching FSU kill the opponent with me on Saturdays when she grows up as well.
sorry to hear about your dad, Osceola, and I am sorry to say that I was at that game in
Charlottesville against UVA, and I was on the down on the other side of the field on that last play, so I did not see it well. I just remember seeing the fans rush the field and I remember thinking, “this has got to be some sort of mistake…”
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
maybe we can get the NCAA to reverse the call now that Bowden is retiring?
Hey, they got instant replay!
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
ESPN talking about Bowden now
Herbie says it is hard to think about Bobby being gone, and actually sounds a bit choked up at parts, but he agrees that FSU had the right to do this. Says after so many years of decline this is sort of due. Also says if Jimbo finds the right DC FSU will be competitive faster than many people think.
I saw that
Never thought I’d agree with Herbie, but I do completely.
It was a tough job telling the legend to take a hike, but someone had to do it. Props to the FSU admin. for FINALLY having the berries to lay down the law for Bowden.
by FloridaState on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Herbstreit
So glad I am not a Golden Domer right now. Herbie has been going hard on them since Saturday. I have been saying for years that ND’s relevance is nowhere near what the press has been trying to say. Most reporters still look at ND the way they did when they were young and not how recruits look at them. But Herbie is letting them have it. Makes me happy we have a solid recruiting base to pick from. If we didn’t we would be just like ND.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
The show of emotion by Herbie is, I think, indicitive of something I think every college
football fan understands about Bobby’s retirement: the first shoe has dropped. When Paterno goes, which this situation shows is clearly inevitable, college football’s link to an innocent, untainted past is gone.
Its big business from here on out, Noles. Maybe it already was. But soon, we will have tangible proof: no one will be left from when it was just a game.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Darnell Dockett (again)
The first of many perhaps?
His twitter account says:
“Oh well I guess ill have to root for a New college FOOTBALL TEAM! -Maybe USC, or TEXAS Nahh I just won’t have a team F*ck it!”
and
“Who the hell is JUMBO FISHER this shits all messed up! No donations from me! No visits, my college I went to is Bobby Bowden University!”
Really sad IMO.
wow
way to s**t on the place that gave you an opportunity
Yep
Funny how nobody would give a rat’s behind about anything he does if it wasn’t for FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY.
by FloridaState on Dec 1, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously...
Who paid for your schooling? Did Bobby fund it out of his own pocket? Have some respect for the University, Darnell…
You're right
it just irks me that everyone sticks up for him after “Kneegate” and then this is how he repays us…
So you are a dirty player and an idiot…
I can’t think of any reason why he would feel this way. Bowden had already lost it by the time Dockett showed up. Must have just grown up idolizing him.
He can keep his donations if he doesn’t realize how good Jimbo has been for the program.
Darnell
not sure he is the smartest guy. Entitled to his opinion and to get his ass beat by Greg Jones, but not the smartest.
Un, ass beat literally, or just ran over all the time in practice?
G Jones was already one of my favorite Seminoles of all time, now if he whipped Dockett’s ass I’m really loving this guy! They made him quit working out for a while at FSU because he got up to something insane like 270 ripped. He, along with Washington, were two of the first and most talented players that JB completely squandered in their upperclassmen years. Incredible players. Remember the ESPN story on him around 2002 where they followed him around and he ended up at Subway ordering a foot-long and saying, “More mayonnaise! More mayonnaise!”? Dude eats whatever the F he wants and looks like a competing heavyweight bodybuilder. Sick genetics.
Greg Jones story time.
Back when there used to be a Burger King in the Union, I saw Greg there one afternoon about 2 o’clock. Greg ordered a triple Whopper with cheese meal, value sized it, and said “make it quick, I’ve gotta go to practice.”
I had a class with him...
in Tully. You know those tiny ass desks? Well, when he would put his arm down on the desk, the damn thing would disappear. Biggest arms Ive ever seen.
He is a really nice guy actually.
Gentlemen...
Awesome stories! I read these like a kindergartner at story time! Embarrassing, really. But, F it, I don’t care all that much. MattD, I can only imagine your face when you witnessed that. You probably asked the person next to you if what you thought just happened really did happen! Miaminole, I do remember those desks! I could only imagine how comical it was seeing him squeeze into those tiny ass things! Un, why would that idiot Dockett pick a fight with Smokin’ Joe’s nephew that was built like Hercules? I’m so glad he whipped his ass!
Thanks, gentlemen, I’m at work and you made the day much more tolerable for me!
Greg Jones
kind of like an Urban Legend. Dude is simply unreal in too many ways. To have the tough guy personality to match. Can’t wait to have more guys that walk the walk without talking the talking. Mostly silent killers like Rodney Hudson and Henry Orelus. The guys that talk are good (Reed, Reid) but there’s something about a guy that doesn’t say sh*t until its time to beat the breaks off of you (on or off the field).
Darnell is dead to me
ever since he said Vick didn’t really do anything that bad. Anyone that thinks dog fighting is just some cultural thing is a moron. There is a reason it is illegal. If anyone wants to hear an atrocious dog fighting incident that happened right here in Tally (dog fighting still takes place here….big time) let me know. Darnell said no more donations or visits? I’m curious to know exactly what he has given to this school since he has left. I say good riddance…ya moron.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Can't talk sense to people who don't believe in logic
I have tried it before. Dockett is using no logic to form his opinions so it doesn’t matter what Spikes or anyone else says he won’t listen. But he will change his mind once the wins start stacking up.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Now you understand why Hollywood publicists hate twitter: their boneheaded clients end
up making boneheaded statements that they cannot stop from going out.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
FSU Moment
I can’t believe that this is the topic that finally makes me, a long time reader and huge fan, sign up. I was born in 1984 and Bowden is all I know. On top of that, I am a FSU alum and I was born and raised in Tally and since the high school I graduated from in Tally, Chiles, did not have much of a football team compared to Lincoln and Leon, FSU became all that more important to me. My dad is a trooper and he got the be the guy guarding Bowden for years and he was even on the cover of the Sports Illustrated with him after we won #2. With that said, i’ll always be proud that he was here, but it does not change the “FSU>Bowden” equation for me and I look forward to having a football signed by our next MNC winning coach, Jimbo Fisher, on a stand right next to my Bowden one.
Sorry if this got posted off topic.
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions
My dad is a trooper too
I’m jealous of yours! Mine never got to guard a legend. Just investigate homicides. Yawn.
by FloridaState on Dec 1, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Could be more boring then homicides,
he could be investigating Tiger Wood’s wife knocking him out with his 9 iron.
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks,
I am going to have to get him to try to guard Fisher now. I think one of his friends does it now so even if I can’t convince him to try to do it again then I will just have to have his friend get me a football signed by our new HC. This news is extremely more exciting then studying for my administrative law exam I have tomorrow.
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
another topic
Who has seen the commercial for the new espn movie “The U?” So your telling me I have to listen to that crap AND Kirk? Thats is just to much for me.
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions
I saw it too
So you’re telling me that after all the Teblow worship that I get to watch a movie about “The U”?
Really?
Dammit
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
by JMB on Dec 1, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Have to admit
The old U makes the most interesting movie. More coke than Scarface. More Hoes than a Luke video. More *ssholes than man on man porn.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
blazes
If the end of the espn movie had that team going down in a hail of gun fire like the end of Scarface, I may watch it, but until we beat them, I do not even want to hear that awful term.
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow movie name
I wonder what espn will name the movie they make about tebow? My guess is “the man that could walk on water, heal the sick, and turn water into wine.”
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Old Testimony
I have a source inside espn that confidentially informed me that they will be making a old testimate (spelling?) version along with the new testimate (spelling again?) one you just posted about. It will be a remake of the the following movie where tebow will part the seas and deliver his people instead:
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
That's the first time I've seen someone unable to spell "testament." Wow.
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Wow,
I know my grammar is not perfect, but this is the first time I have had my grammar corrected by an idiot who unjustifiably thinks WAY to highly of themselves considering that they are an UF fan. The word “Testamate” should actually be capitalized because it is a name. Here is a little piece of advice: before you attempt to insult someone for incorrect spelling, it would be prudent of you to ensure that you do it properly yourself, otherwise you end up insulting yourself also. In addition, you should learn about proper sentence structure and punctuation because “wow,” is not a sentence, but I am sure you know that problem could be easily remedied if you were to substitute the period after “Testament” with a comma. I believe I remember my 8th grade teacher teaching me that, did you get that far in school, idiot (notice that I did not repeat your elementary mistake of utilizing a period after the word “school,” rather than the appropriate comma)?
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I do
have to give you props for actually being competent enough to realize that the punctuation mark belongs inside the quotation marks, congratulations (see, I did it properly once again). You officially have one more piece of knowledge Corrine Brown does not, but your pathetic attempt at correcting my grammar is still a bigger embarrassment to UF then when she stood in front of the House (proper capitalization because it is the name of half of one of the three branches of government) and wasted taxpayer money. If you need any further explanation just let me know, I’ll be happy to provide it since your grade school obviously failed you.
by FSU is more important than law school on Dec 1, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for The Memories
I am 53 years old. Coach Bowden came to FSU my junior year. FSU had just endured many losing seasons, I remember an 0 and 13 streatch. When he arrived he brought about a change, in the team and style of play. He brought hope and excitment to the unniversity and noles all over the country. Since then he made us winners and champions. My daughter is an alumnus and my son a junior and we all bleed garnet and gold. A courageous but sad decision was made by the administration but was needed for all concerned. We all need to pause for one minute and remember what Coach Bowden did for us all and then support Jimbo and look to our most promising future.
College Gameday showed interviews with Derrick Brooks and Charlie Ward and they were defending him as well, though as you would expect Ward and Brooks did a better job saying it than Dockett.
For me, these players don’t know the Bobby Bowden of recent years. They have been off enjoying their professional careers and maybe only following FSU here and there, while we’ve been living and dying (mostly dying) with the program each week.
Or it may just be loyalty. Bowden did too good of a job with these guys back when he still had the magic, and they’ll never leave his side.
brooks and ward are smart enough to understand how this progresses though
I have no problem with a former player standing by their coach. I do have a problem with them throwing the school under the bus forever for them to do so.
all they need to say is “bobby was always a great coach. I dont think he should be forced to retire yet but i understand how the college football world works and its a what have you done for me lately type of game.”
there you go. that shows support. dont cut ties to your university to do so.
brooks interview
That comment by Brooks on ESPN looked edited to me. He sounded like he was getting around to being able to move on and concede that the team is looking out for its best interest. I may be totally wrong but he just seems like too smart of a person to ignore results. He has been much more vocal about us being on a downturn than many of the other greats.
Right.
I doubt if Bill Walton stopped rooting for UCLA basketball when John Wooten (sp?) retired!
Bobby Bowden
Born in Oklahoma raised in San Diego (my true home), a 32 year old Seminole fan since 88’. My support was bame from an admiration of Deion Sanders,Sammie Smith, Leroy Butler and Ronald Lewis(Thanks guys, you are the best). Frankly all I have known is Bobby. I’ve witnessed (For my age group at least) the depths: Us getting our doors blown off in the 88’ season opener 31-0 in that rat trap in Coral Gables when, we were pre-season number one(For my money that rivals any of the wide rights or the wide lefts for that matter). The pinnacle: FINALLY, FINALLY winning it all in 93’ in that very same stadium, and validating the work and legacy of Bobby Bowden.
I hate that it has come to this. But, in this new age of coaching where more more schools are armed with talent, the coaches are paid more than ever to perform (Mark Mangino pulls in 2.8 mil, WTF?) and that dirty battleground known as major college recruiting, an 80 year old man cannot possibly compete in that arena. So as much as I
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 1, 2009 2:29 AM EST reply actions
Bobby Bowden (Cont.)
As much a I love BB and what he has done for the program. The infighting, the losses, the recruiting blunders (Jeff Demps, Louis Murphy, Janoris Jenkins, Alphonso Smith), and most definitely the falling behind our bitter rivals ( UM and UFAG) have finally convinced me peronally that is indeed time. Jimbo must be given an opportunity to prove his coaching acumen in a full leadership compacity (I wish him nothing but the best). Thank you for the Memories, thank you for the championships. I love you coach Bowden, but I truly love FSU more, GO NOLES!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 1, 2009 2:38 AM EST reply actions
As said earlier, the Gator Bowl is going after FSU
According to the Gator Bowl’s contract with the ACC, the team only has to invite the ACC title game loser once in four years, which it did with Georgia Tech in 2007. Without speculating on the matchup, Gator Bowl general chairman Dan Murphy told the Times-Union late Monday night that it’s the GBA’s interpretation of the contract that the league’s one-loss rule (a team cannot be passed for consideration by an ACC bowl partner for a team more than one loss behind in the conference standings) does not apply if the Gator Bowl decides not to invite the championship game loser.
New Guy and Mustache Pete
I have been reading your great analysis great back and forth and well informed predictions since about June. I just joined because I had t say something about Bobby.
I started out as a Canes fan because I was born in Coral Gables. So I rooted for Andy Gustafson and George Mira. Yes, I am a Mustache Pete, as Sonny Corleone would say.
I arrived at FSU the fall of 1971. Bill Peterson was still the coach and we had one of the nation’s few pro passing attacks. We also had qb Gary Huff, (drafted by the NFL) and wr Barry Smith (ditto). When my senior year began we had newly minted Juniors who showed up at my Fraternity House who had gone to every home game and never seen the Noles win a single game. Still we went to every game because we loved college football in a 45,000 capacity stadium that was never filled and we loved our Noles.
I left for law school elsewhere, but remained forever a Nole Alum and Fan. The University seriously considered shutting down the football program and I suffered one more year of pain. And then came Bobby Bowden. Through loves and buddies and future/former wives the one consistent foundation of my happiness and happiest (and sometimes saddest) moments came from Bobby Bowden and Mickey Andrews.
Your analysis over months beginning in June, when I first looked at this site, brought me to the reluctant conclusion that Bobby must go. I am a Mustache Pete, however, I am not impervious to reason. Please do not think that anyone who was born before Sputnik is incapable of recognizing the searing logic of yo
by cp75 on Dec 1, 2009 3:48 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
New Guy and Mustache Pete Continued
Sorry for going on too long.
… Searing logic of your arguments.
The nepotism. The coercion of the University to bend to his demands for his unproven son to become Offensive Coordinator, even to the point of bending NCAA or FSU nepotism rules by appointing Mickey "Executive Coach, and then the later destructive actions, especially asking MA to stay when he wanted and needed to go for the sake of his grandchildren, would have swayed me even in the absence of your outstanding description of the technical and recruiting deficiencies of the last nine years. Because of your site, I looked at the Bobby Bowden Show. He no longer comments on each play and tells us where each tackler comes from and whether his daddy was at the game. He doesn’t even know their names.
I love Bobby Bowden. But he must go. He doesn’t know it. Have him sign the Power of Attorney and send him to the nursing home. It must be done. But let us not rejoice. Let us simply remember the twenty five years of miracles that he gave to a dying program.
by cp75 on Dec 1, 2009 4:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Welcome!
I think we have a ton of readers in the 29-55 crowd coming out of the woodwork. Definitely gives the site more balance and I love hearing all of the experiences.
We're all happy to see him go so we can start rebuilding
But one thing is certain: he will never be forgotten by FSU fans. As much as it has pained me to watch these last few years, it is impossible to forget what he has accomplished as a head coach.
In 43 years of coaching Bowden has only had 2 losing seasons: 1974 with WVU and 1976 with FSU. That’s amazing for somebody that has been a head coach for that long. I can’t think of another coach that has ever done that. He’s had 37 DIV-1 winning seasons, tied with the Bear and Joe Pa. Hopefully he can win the bowl game and make it 38.
One of my most fond memories of his coached games was “the comeback” in ‘94 (correct me if I’m wrong) when Florida was absolutely demolishing FSU and we came back to tie it up at 31-31. That was only the 3rd FSU game I had ever attended. I loved it when Bobby and Mickey would just absolutely give Spurrier fits on the sidelines!!
Bobby thinks that we have all turned our backs on him and that couldn’t be further from the truth. Any TRUE FSU fan would realize that, but it’s these homer bandwagon turds who are clueless. We have all been as patient as possible for years, but all good things must come to an end. Not a single one of us will forget either Bobby or Mickey and what they have done for FSU. However, the time has come for them both to move on.
Now comes the new era with Jimbo and company. Time to turn it around and bring FSU back to prominence. It’s going to happen over night, but most people don’t realize that. However, I give Jimbo 3 years, max, before he had the Noles competing for the National Title again.
Good luck to both Bobby and Mickey. I hope the best for them and their families!!
GO NOLES!!!!
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
Jimbo gone in 3 years
Jimbo is not the answer. He has been a time management joke and goes nuts on the sidelines in pressure situations. You people will hang him in 3 years or less because he cannot get it done on the big stage. RE: Miami
Do you not realize that our offense is not the problem
I defense is a giant abortion
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
let me get this straight
You cite a game in which a Jimbo play call resulted in an open receiver dropping a pass at the last second as your proof that he can’t get it done? Short of him walking onto the field and handing the ball to Fortson in the endzone, what would you like him to do?
How many wide rights did it take to convince you Bobby couldnt get it done?
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Dec 1, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But then...
…we could never have gameday threads.
GeorgiaNole is obviously not a true FSU fan
and is one of those that wish Bobby would stay forever!!
Do you think that Jimbo would have worked for Nick Saban for as long as he did if he was incompetent? NOPE!!! You are obviously one of those uninformed idiots running around. I give Jimbo 3 years, max, before FSU is contending again.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
During all of this after his announcement
for those who are inclined to pray, don’t forget Bowden. Its over for him as coach and its time for him to transition into something he isn’t prepared for emotionally (maybe). He is a human being and we are all capable to going the same thing Bowden went through.
Thank you Bobby Bowden for the success you helped bring to FSU. May you take this transition better than you might think and be blessed with your family and time.
"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."
capable *of*
"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."
Jimbo is a time management Joke and will be fired inside of 3 seasons
Miami game 1st and goal on the 2 yard line 42 ticks run down to 17 while Jimbo fumbles through playsheets. Boston College delay of games and poor communication
Georgia Tech terrible clock management
South Florida Play calling nightmare
and the list goes on and on. All of you fans jumping on the Jimbo bandwagon will be the same ruthless fans who hang him. Jimbo rants and raves going crazy on the sidelines. He was soley responsible for calling the offense and did not come through at least 4 games this season. He was the guy that had the control to call timeouts, call the plays, get the right personnel into the games. He was awful all season in crucial situations. Ponder saved his butt on many occasions. So go ahead bash Bowden and the Bowden regime because if it was not for Bobby you would all be back to wearing skirts in class. Bowden is Seminole football and it is a disgrace for it to be handled in this manner. It is time for Bobby to retire but they could have let him have his final season and start over in 2011. He deserved this much. If I were Bobby I would have my Name and statue removed from the ball park and tell the administration to stick it up their butts. The guy deserved a farewell season. The Seminoles will never be the same and will never be a top 10 team with Dumbo at the helm.
Thank you for posting and welcome
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
To never be a top 10 team...
would make us exactly the same as we’ve been for an entire decade.
Thanks for your part in building the program, Bobby. Let’s go Jimbo.
by manicmusician on Dec 1, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Actually Bobby meddled with the offensive playcalls quite a bit
but you probably didn’t know that.
And I have no idea what clock management issue you are referring to against GTech or really any of those others.
Carter, Bobby’s Boy, often had the wrong personnel in games…
You can’t go against Jimbo or question the offense on this site. It’s not allowed.
by lul on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
You can if you are armed with facts and stats
Just tossing out pure crap won’t fly. You should know that by now.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are apparently unable to come up with a legitimate criticism of them
It’s great to have an opinion. It’s even better to be able to back it up.
>>---l>
The offense performed poorly against USF and UF it’s a fact. Also another fact: YPP is not all that matters.
by lul on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
The offense did perform poorly against USF. Nobody disputed that.
The o-line was manhandled by a great USF d-line. We also had something like 4 fumbles from wide receivers.
What you seem to be missing about UF is that we were missing 4 starters on offense, including our two best players, and playing a freshman QB. All of this while playing the best defense in the country at their field. I’m sorry if you expected a better performance, but we didn’t.
>>---l>
I think that pretty much covers it
Also, Ponder was banged up pretty bad from the shots he took in the BYU game.
yes... the USF game was when Ponder had a sprained MCL and didn't really tell anybody.
The offense didn’t perform. But it wasn’t because they weren’t put in a position to perform.
Not holding Jimbo responsible for the offense that game? How nice of you. Give Bobby a pass for that game too.
by lul on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
How dare Jimbo fumble the ball 4 times inside the 20.
How dare Jimbo allow two 90 yard TD drives.
How dare Jimbo let his QB throw for 250+.
Here, watch this. I’ll blame Jimbo for something legitimate instead of your crying that they weren’t perfect. Jimbo underestimated the speed and strength of the USF defensive line. That was Jimbo’s downfall. You whining because we didn’t score every drive is just nonsence.
by MattDNole on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll add that the underestimation of that USF defensive line was the biggest blunder of the season on offense.
He should have seen that in film from the past 2 years.
Lol he basically gave himself one
Isn’t that the game where he didn’t even address the team before the game because he was hanging out with his Alabama buddies? Yeah, sure. He can have a pass.
>>---l>
Its not about a single coaches credibility
When you are talking about a single game performance.. Its about the coaching staff’s ability formulate a strategic plan to defeat the other team even when one aspect of the team isn’t performing at there highest level.
And the fact of the matter, this year, was that if the offense was not at the top of their game the defense and special teams gave them bare minimums to work with: a good kick off return after the other team scored 7.
So step back, take a breathe and stop trying to act all kemosabi. There are going to be a lot variables that will go into Fisher’s success or lack of success @ FSU and if he is a good coach he will do all that HE CAN to make sure those things fall in place. But there is never a guarantee
I actually have no problem with Fisher. He has been great in ACC play. I just can’t stand that people out here don’t want to hold him responsible in anyway when the offense does faulter.
The only argument I will make there
Are that the WR and RB coaches aren’t Fisher guys, and outside of the UF game our issues were drops and fumbles.
But I think by the same merit this was more of a need to depose a ruler past his prime rather than saying that Jimbo is spotless.
If you were to start injecting criticism in large quantities to a unit, that over all, was functioning like an ACC contender (offense wasn’t quite national quality yet) then it would just be silly as NO ONE was giving them help.
I mean just the psychology of it makes it hard to hold him under the microscope. You try and confince 11 guys to give it everything they can knowing that no matter how good they do most likely all they can do is finish 2nd
I’m aware there were injuries. I’m aware UF’s defense is very good. I still expected better from Jimbo. Christian was a big loss, but we were not starting a walk on or true freshman. EJ has been with Jimbo for two years and played in games before. As for the other injuries, you are over stating how much impact they have. There is not thin air where they were. Their replacements are passable.
by lul on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
There is only 1 Rodney Hudson.
The offense could have done better. But we are not in the position as a program to act like losing our QB and our top blocker is no big deal. Maybe in a few years, but not now.
Then your expectations were off
3 starts and a whole lot of practice does not mean you go into UF and move the ball. Especially when you barely get the ball in the first half. The problem isn’t Fisher, it is your expectations.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wins and Losses
I’m obviously kidding
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Not a stats guy. I do know that that scoring offense does need to factor in at some point. Obviously in those two games I mentioned the scoring offense was abysmal.
It's just that scoring is so dependent on other factors
Defense, special teams, etc. For something like that, look at redzone percentage.
>>---l>
I wasn’t saying scoring offense is the end all stat either. It’s flawed too. A combo of the two would be better. If I had to choose between YPP and scoring offense I would actually choose YPP. In games where the offense obviously did not perform well yet the YPP remained high, then it means the YPP stat does not fully depict the story.
Football Outsiders does a lot of work with statistics. It can get pretty heavy and they mostly do pro stuff but one statistic that they use that I think highly of is S&P+. FSU currently ranks 13th overall and 4th in the ACC in offense and 86th overall and 8th in the ACC in defense.
Now take a look at the staff that was hired for each of those units. Everybody on the defensive side of the ball was a Bowden hire. Everybody on the offensive side of the ball was hired after Jeff Bowden was forced out and it seems that Bobby had little to do with their hiring. There is of course one exception and that would be Carter. Carter looks to be gone next year. Fisher did not hire anybody on the staff with the exception of Cooley but Trickett and Dawsey were hired in large part because Fisher has looked favorably on them in the past.
I don’t think people are saying that Jimbo is without fault (how is it possible that EJ has misread almost every smash route we’ve run?). However, when you look at what he has control over compared to the rest of the staff it’s night and day. I don’t know that Fisher is the man to build up FSU and I doubt he’d ever be able to match what Bobby has done, but I do believe he’s a large step in the right direction over Bobby.
Aren't stats just a record of what happened on the field?
UF allowed 7 offensive TD’s all season… FSU scored 1 and were denied the opportunity to go on 4th down for another by the man who is stepping down.
Well this goes back to my expectations. If UF had allowed 0 TDs all season I would still hope Jimbo would change that. Even all things considered (injuries, lack of talent) I’m disappointed at our offense vs. UF the last three years. I find Jimbo’s record vs. UF concerning especially at LSU where he had talent and a defense.
3-4 record
A 3-4 record means the teams were basically on even ground, which is all you can expect really. Again if you were hoping his record would be 5-2 or something like that you have unrealistic expectations. UF is one of the top 5 programs in the nation. Nobody is going to dominate them.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps you’re right. Maybe I need to accept second in the state at best. We can’t compete with their resources as has been said in the past. (not being sarcastic)
3-4 over 7 games isn't 2nd in state
If over the next 7 games we go 3-4 against the Gators the UF-FSU rivalry would instantly be the top in the country again. We will never dominate UF, unless they go on probation, but we don’t need to. But by being competitive and winning anywhere from 45-55% of the match ups over a certain amount of time it will show that we are among the top programs in the Nation.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Our history vs UF
I looked it up to see if we have, in modern time, ever truly dominated the rivalry. From 1990-1999 we played each other 11 times. Of those 11 FSU won 7 and tied 1. That was probably our most dominant stretch over them. But take that stretch away, and UF’s current stretch, and from 77 to now you are left with a bunch of back forth where one team wins 2 or so and then the other returns the favor.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Before our recent string of losses to UF
we had won 5 out of the previous 6 meetings. Alot of Gator fans have short term memory on that fact.
Bowden didn’t have a losing record against UF until this year.
Over the past 12 meetings, UF holds the edge at 7-5.
Very true.
I shouldn’t have to see so much orange and blue in Tallahassee. I certainly didn’t see that much 5 years ago.
Nope 5 years ago when I was there it was a bunch of Orange and Green...
The fact is in the 90s we were good we had a bunch of band wagon fans, then in the early 2000s when Miami had a nice run they got the band wagoners, now UF is good so they get them. Its cyclical but you have to be good to have shallow fans
If we can go .500 against UF and win against Miami 3 out of 5 games, I would consider us to be a top 5-10 program.
As we should win at least 5-6 of our other ACC games every year and should not schedule other non-conference challenges.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic for FSU to pass UF but it’s more likely to be on a year by year basis with UM thrown in the mix. A misstep by any of those schools obviously opens the door for the next, just like FSU was able to do well when UF and UM were on probation and how UF has been able to do well with UM and FSU in coaching flux. I wouldn’t expect decade long dominance with all 3 programs hitting on all cylinders but rather a constant up and down between all programs while consistantly have 1 or more teams in the top 15.
LSU offensive stats vs. UF
2000: 41-9 UF. 341 yds / 57 plays.
2001: 44-15 UF. 423 yds / 80 plays.
2002: 36-7 LSU. 402 yds / 68 plays.
2003: 19-7 UF. 287 yds / 57 plays.
2004: 24-21 LSU. 464 yds / 83 plays.
2005: 21-17 LSU. 361 yds / 66 plays.
2006: 23-10 UF. 318 yds / 66 plays.
Consider Spurrier was at UF in 01, and 06 was a National Championship team. Otherwise LSU did decently on offense.
improvement
I always like a good debate.
First, I’ll agree that our offense looked bad against Florida. While the game still mattered in the first half, I don’t think we generated even 100 yards. Is that a failure of Jimbo’s play calling? Maybe, although field position and penalties played a big part too. Overall, I would still give the team a poor grade against UF.
However, we are not the first team to look bad against their defense. In fact, without an excellent (and big) offensive line, nobody looks good against them. My excitement and enthusiasm for Jimbo is based on the long term offensive trend since his arrival. The improvement over the past three seasons is unquestionable no matter what statistic is used!
Foosball is the devil
by IAHNole on Dec 1, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just wanted to highlight that last part
My excitement and enthusiasm for Jimbo is based on the long term offensive trend since his arrival. The improvement over the past three seasons is unquestionable no matter what statistic is used!
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
Won't bother to refute your statements with facts.
I will say that we obviously don’t know if Fisher is the answer.
But we sure as heck knew that Bowden wasn’t.
by PeachTreeNole on Dec 1, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
And you are a waste of fresh, clean air
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 1, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Herbie on Mike and Mike
Saying right now that FSU handled it the best they could. Says part of it was spin, trying to make it look like Bobby and wife decided not to come back, but it had to be done. Said he chooses to remember Bobby from the 90s. Says we were basically an 8-4 team at best under Bobby and 29-22 over last 3 years. Says as long as Jimbo gets a good DC we have enough talent to win big next year.
First post at TN
I’ve been lurking around here for awhile now… had to chime in with my first comment upon reading this news.
Not many people out there with half a mind can argue with logic; and, in the Bobby Bowden trials, no other group (IMO) put up more reasons, based on fact, to support the idea that a Legend must go. There were even charts for those of us who are "visual learners." I became a believer.
Last night, I was ecstatic to learn that our great HC was finally throwing in the towel. I might have even squealed like a school girl… but this morning, once the news had time to really sink in, it became bittersweet. Seems to be the overall consensus here.
Bobby, I will never forget the 90s.
In light of this sad/hopeful/anticipatory time, I think we can start the normal end-of-season mantra that the ‘Noles are known for… with conviction this time…
Next season will be better! ;)
Welcome!
I think as the news sinks in that he is stepping down, we are all better able to reflect on his great career.
Welcome!
and cool name :)
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Dec 1, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
What's best for the program
I grew up a Canes fan – my mom was a UM grad – and was a huge fan between ‘83-’95 (I’ve always hated UF though). My allegiances began to sway when I attended law school at FSU in ‘95. Between going to games, living in Tallahassee, and having friends and family who were big Seminole supporters, I became, and still am, a huge Seminole fan by the time I graduated in ’98. I was fortunate enough to enjoy the tail end of the glory years, and have stuck by the team and my alma mater through these difficult last few. Despite being a fan for the last 10 or so years, Bowden’s departure does not sadden me in the least. Perhaps because I was a UM fan and watched coaches come and go, while the program remained strong, I never really became attached to any one coach, because in the end, I always thought it was the program that mattered most. Coach Bowden’s exit is a pure business decision, and one that is best for everyone – even for him, although he and his family do not see it that way. I appreciate that he built the program, but if the founder of my law firm began chasing off clients because of erratic behavior, he probably wouldn’t be around long.
by CJS55 on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
For the last 2 years Nole fans have been on 2 sides
There are the ones that wanted Bobby to stay and there are the ones that wanted him to go. I for one wanted him to go. It has been a hard fough battle on both sides and there is no real winner. Bobby should go down as one of the best coaches of all time. He has done something at FSU that only a handfull of other coaches have done. At the same time he has also destroyed something he built.
I was in the sona yesterday with a Gator fan and talked about all these problems. He said Bobbys time is done and FSU needs to move on but things should have been handled better on both sides. Most people today dont know about the 80s and 90s when FSU ruled college football. All they see is the last 9 seasons and how FSU has fallen from grace.
This might be the end of Bobbys coaching at FSU but its not the end of FSU. FSU will come back and we will be stronger. FSU sits in a hole where there is nothing but to recruits from Fl, SoGa, and Bama. Kids want to go to a school where they will be coached well and get to the NFL. thats going to happen here. In 2010 the new decade starts and so does FSU new life. The Cancer will be gone and though it wont be the easy road it will be a rewarding one. Good things come to those who wait.
Thank you Bobby and MA for all you have done at FSU. Thank you CTC for what you did back in the days before you went to NCST. (Sence you went to NCST you can go to hell) I hope the best for you all. Just please go out from here with your heads up high and with peace because the fans and you dont need this to be any uglyer than it needs to be.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34222203/ns/sports-college_football/
changed the story a bit. good ol’ nbc.
ESPN 1st and 10 talking about FSU
Reporting retirement will happen today of course. Going over the two choices, retire or be a figurehead/fundraiser. Schlbach (sp?) admits school forced his hand but explains just how far we had fallen under Bowden for the last 9 years. Says FSU is trying to make sure it doesn’t end badly re: our relationship with Bowden. Says as of last night Bowden was inclined to walk away completely and spend time with 25 grandkids. They will have Warrick Dunn to talk about it later.
Eric Kuselias and Scoop Jackson are on instead of Skip Bayless to debate today. Eric gives our handling of Bowden an F. Says Bowden is “The Daddy of Swag” and an icon and we gave him a choice between quitting or being humiliated. Idiot says we did to Bobby what the Yankees did to Torre. Guess he didn’t notice that Bowden had the Noles looking like the Royals instead of the regular season Yankess. Says we should have did what Penn State did and gave Bowden more time. Guess a decade isn’t long enough for him.
Scoop Jackson gives us a C-. Says This was something everyone involved should have known was coming. He was in favor of sacrificing a year to let Bobby have one more year. The moderator of the debate is the one with the most sense. She says the recruiting was going down, record was going down, boosters weren’t happy and attendance was going down so you can’t just give him another year. Scoop says still give him one year just because of what he has done. Kuselias is clueless and thinks the only person who is going to be done is Bowden and the rest of the staff will stay.
All in all it wasn’t that bad. Neither of them could summon that much outrage for the argument, which to me goes to show that many people actually don’t care about the situation nationally. Bowden has been around forever so yes it is news, but FSU football has become pretty much irrelevant on the national stage and so people really can’t get that hot over Bobby being fired/retiring.
So irrelevant, that Bobby's retirement is 2nd to Charlie Weis getting fired
Sad when you really think about it.
2nd all time winningest coach retires and he’s not even the lead college football story.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 1, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair
Our announcement hasn’t come yet. I think it will trump Weis once it finally breaks. There has been so much back and forth with this story.
Not without a press conference
Since people have known it was coming for so long the shock of a press release will be non existent. It would be one thing if we had a press conference scheduled and he was going to field questions, or he was going to at least show his face to get new video. Issuing a press release will keep the story low key.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Partly, yes.
But the press does seem to have a strange obsession with Notre Dame.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 1, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Probably has something to do with the rabid alumni base ;-)
Trust me; I know a few guys who went there.
WTF is wrong with this country
Apparently mediocrity, nepotism and ignorance are all morals that ESPN is happy to promote.
She is actually from the Tampa area
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
the problem with the national media
is they act like the problem started this season and we made an immediate decision to fire him. In reality, Bobby’s time to turn things around started in 2006 and he wasn’t able to fix things in the last 3 seasons.
more like 2000.....
actually even earlier whenever he decided to break rules just to get Jeffery in the coaching staff.
Do you know what I think is a bigger story
Is how ESPN doesn’t actually report news anymore
Its much easier to see than how CNN or FOX or CSPAN has been corrupted because there are sports blogs about sports…
BUt ESPN doesn’t report news.
THEY RAPE it
by Trus1te on Dec 1, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I sent a scathing email to the ombudsman this morning
After it took like an hour, and multiple posts in the comments to put the DUI story on the front page. They are so uneven in their coverage it is sickening.
CBS is reporting Bowden will meet with the team at 2:15. Announcement should come after.
by FSUBrad on Dec 1, 2009 11:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Meeting
It has been reported that the meeting is a normally scheduled meeting. Don’t know if the team will be informed prior to that or not to let the press release come out earlier.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Woohoo
Carlos Dunlap just got a DUI this morning. This is shaping up to be a pretty good day.
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Dec 1, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions
true..
if a savage eye gouge is worth 1 quarter, you gotta figure a DUI is worth at least a couple possessions. But hey, small victories. Another black eye for Meyer is another reason to celebrate.
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Dec 1, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think anyone saying they know for a fact is probably lying
unless they are Fisher himself. I don’t know when it gets done. I highly doubt it will get done until next week.
Question on that:
Does it seem to be the case that Fisher has already made a choice?
by Drew J Jones on Dec 1, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Warrick Dunn on ESPN
1st Take got in touch with Dunn for an interview. Warrick says he doesn’t like the way situation was handled. Wishes admin went to his house and talked to Bowden. Agrees it was time for a change but thinks Bowden was owed more respect and to deserved to go out on his own terms. Don’t see how you reconcile those two things. Says Bowden was a big part of his growth and he owes Bowden a lot. Says it will be shocking for him to see a game without Bowden on the sideline. Says he thought Bowden would retire years ago but Bowden was still vibrant and active on the sideline (I will refrain from making jokes). He followed that up by saying it was time for a change because we haven’t been a great team. Dunn says the finger is pointing at the Administration for not handling things properly.
For those that don’t know, Dunn’s mother died when he was 18 and Bowden basically fit in as a father figure soon after that. Dunn may have more feelings for Bowden than anyone else thanks to that. It is big that he agrees it was time to make a change, and I think he will support the school going forward.
Dunn is one of my favorite Noles of all time.....
there was no doubt in my mind that he would handle himself properly in this situation even with all the feelings he must have for BB who as you mentioned was like a father to him. We all agree this could have gone a lot smoother, but the way BB played it, I don’t think the administration had much choice.
Agreed
On the whole, this is a great response by Dunn
In Ponder We Trust
Pre-Injury Regular Season Stat Projections: 21 TD: 2 Int, 3738 yards, 70 %COMP
THIS
is how former players should be responding to the situation. Saying he is isn’t pleased with how it was handled but acknowledging that it was time for a change. Dunn is a class act. Not just when he was on the field but all of the community work that he has done. Just an amazing individual. Take note Darnell, from a real Seminole.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 1, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta feel for Warrick big time
This is really hard for A LOT of former players but I don’t think any of them can refute the time has come and passed.
While I understand everyone saying it should have been handled better, as had been mentioned I really don’t think there was much that could be done. I sincerely hope that people take into consideration that if Bowden has his way, the University loses. There was no opportunity for compromise.
Hopefully Andy Urbanic is one of the first to get steel- toed out of Moore.
It would be nice to get some players involved in game days again. DD can stay in Arizona though.
Thanks I'm sure it will be on point just like the rest of info has been on TN
This is really my first post, but I’ve been following since the BC game. Great work by you guys at TN and almost everything that you guys have posted has came true and has been legit. I’ve notice an increase in new posters since the BB to retire news came out which is great because the true FSU fans will get unbiased and true facts about the noles.
Latest from AC's chopping block,
Camped out at Florida State right now, where we’re waiting … and waiting … and waiting for something to happen. If Bobby Bowden is 100 percent retired, then he’s doing a bad job making it seem so. Still no official word from Florida State. No knowledge of a press conference. No knowledge of a press release. No nothing.
Randy Spetman, the FSU athletic director, likely has on his running shoes (Nike, of course) so he can again run away, terrified, from the media. He did that yesterday. (More on that at some point after all this dies down.)
Bottom line: This has been one heck of a bungled, jumbled mess. The only things missing are the elephants, the guys swallowing swords of fire and the bearded ladies. Stay tuned. I’ve heard that Bowden could be on his way to campus now.
My comments: Nicely done TK and Spetman. Maybe we should hire a PR firm.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 1, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions
The biggest news out of this
Is that TK let Randy off of his leash. That’s a major development.
>>---l>
Man, we really miss Dave Hart
He was a true professional and would have handled this with class.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN reports BB is at the Athletic Center now and
wiil talk to the team in about 2 hrs.
YES. No coaching duties, but still helps with the program.
Didn’t Sexton and Gladden get a similar opportunity?
And here we GO!
In Ponder We Trust
Pre-Injury Regular Season Stat Projections: 21 TD: 2 Int, 3738 yards, 70 %COMP
I need a xanax right about now
or a bottle of Jack. I feel like my wife is getting ready to tell me she wants a divorce.This shit sucks.
Do we do marriage counciling on this site?
Gatorcanehater. Get her some flowers, make reservations for the two of you at a nice restaurant.
Chief Osceola
A divorce would better than waiting around for this impending doom
Thanks for the advice but I was talking about BB stepping down LOL !
I think this site is gonna crash. It’s getting all jammed up and running super slow.
by Gatorcanehater on Dec 1, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Man am I glad to hear about your pending ironical divorce
If he had gone when he should have, we would all love him.
Chief Osceola
Gator Bowl
I skimmed the thread so excuse me if this has been asked.
Is the Gator assuming the Peach will take the ACCCG loser, allowing them to take FSU?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 1, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Ah ok
So either way it’s all but certain the Noles are Gator bound
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by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 1, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I have serious doubts BB coaches for the bowl game unless he gets paid...
I’d rather save the money and try to match up to an opponent we have a shot to beat. WVU w/o Ponder = little shot.
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Peach will take Clemson in a heartbeat
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by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure how AC thinks this is badly handled by FSU?
Maybe it was BUT FSU has said NOTHING other than a meeting was held. I think that members of the media are just little crying bitches that get their feelings hurt when they are not involved/informed in EVERY aspect of a story they are covering. Spetman ran out of BB’s luncheon and didn’t share any details..SO WHAT? Maybe AC needs to have better connections than the ones he currently has.
Maybe FSU has poor media relations in other things..but I just don't see it in this instance.
TK said it all coaching decisions would be made after the season and the school hasn’t said one peep since then..SOOOOO…where is the beef?
Sounds like a case of damned if you damned if you don’t.
I'm honestly with you Egret
there simply wasn’t much wiggle room here. Most of the talk of Bowden since October has come from Media outlets and Ann Bowden.
Well to run away after a friendly luncheon
is silly.
You are the AD. At least make a bland statement like “Discussions are ongoing with Coach Bowden. Florida State and him will come to a decision soon that best suits the interests of Florida State, the school that he loves.”
But, I do think they played this beautifully during the last 10 weeks
He needs to be realistic
It’s highly unlikely that TK would have fed Randy dinner had he spoken to the media without his permission
>>---l>
Bleed Garnet and Gold. Not Bowden.
So this is it, eh?
I went to FSU in the early-mid 90’s. Bullwinkles, The Phyrst, 2 A.M. runs to Whataburger, The Crawl, doing my level best to eat the entire Shoney’s breakfast bar. Wondering why in the Gainsville they took the Spirit Spear out of the stadium. Not being able to talk for a week after the Choak at Doak. Trying to get into Gino’s head (Giiiiinnnnooooo!). Doing the Chop with 70,000 of my closest friends. Being a part time food service person in the football cafeteria. Doing the same in the KD house. Heh.
Through all of that there was always Coach Bowden. Class. Gentleman. Punt and fumble rooskies. Mean as hell defenses. Choreographed beauty in the offense. St. Bobby and the Barbarians.
He’s the only FSU football coach I’ve known.
I’m going to miss him.
I am not going to miss the ‘Lost Decade’. I am not going to miss nepotism. I am not going to miss the WTF?!? moments.
I choose to remember the good times. I choose to say thank you for a magnificent experience – both the heartbreak and joy.
I bleed Garnet and Gold. I do not bleed Bowden.
An era is ending, and a new era, full of possibility and expectation, begins.
Welcome Coach Fisher. She’s all yours. She needs some work to purr again, but you’re just the guy to do it.
Congratulations to Coach Fisher. And to us. And to St. Bobby.
by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Dec 1, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Great Post.
I too bleed G&G, not BB.
On a side note, I remember when Dooley was out at UGA. I worked with some Dawg fans and boy…were they ready for a CHANGE. It happens everywhere and now it has happened at FSU.
Agreed.
It’s time. Deep breaths. Stone Buddah.
by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Dec 1, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
You weren't that guy who always broke and ran to the bathroom first on Bladder Buster night were you?
Right there with you.
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Only twice.
Didn’t empty before I walked into the bar. My bad. lol
by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Dec 1, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhhh
Bullwinkles and The Phyrst. Brings back some memories. Used to always go to those places and most of the time crawled out. Reminds me of 2 other places I used to live at back then, The Warehouse and Late Night Library.
Gator Bowl
Could be Noel Devine and the mounties
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
You're really overestimating them
They are good, they have weapons, and they will certainly gash us at times. But they are poorly coached, and very mistake prone. Plus they don’t know how to use Devine effectively. There will be alot of big plays both ways for our defense. And their defense looked kinda small. I think we will run all over them if we play them. I really see something like a 31-24 win.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Dec 1, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
They play the exact type of offense that we can't stop
Believe me, it will be ugly. The slot guys and Devine will GASH us.
>>---l>
at worst
they are Gators light…I think it would a pretty ugly game for us. Mobile QB? Check. Spread option? Check. Loss for FSU? Check.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Bowden clan already starting to talk
Saying he was forced out:
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/18662059
If he’s getting a nice retirement package, they should be “forced” to be quiet as part of the deal.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 1, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions
From Uncensored's twitter
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20091201/FSU03/912010312
He will stay on as a fundraiser after he retires
Also, TK says we will play WVU in the Gator Bowl
>>---l>
This is immensely important.
Cannot be understated how much this will help repair any image issues, if Bobby is officially on our side.
Wow
Bobby finally puts the university first. This is huge, and a great ending to a messy situation. Great job by the Admin (dare I say TK?) for making this happen
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 1, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
stray thought.
Would it be feasible that Bobby & crew made this situation messier then it needed to be in order to garner some extra sympathy to get his vacated wins back? A lot of his comments this year have been so way out of character and just plain “out there” So many times this year it has been " WTF? did he really just say that?"
I mean because Crazy people you either feel sorry for them or are just plain old scared of them..
Ben Bailey does a great crazy person act starts about 1:03 into the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WT6tB6U_uc
Unconquered GO NOLES !
I can picture BB saying "I'm driving them all!"
LMAO Bus driver …. that clip kills me
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Dec 1, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is BS I wanted BB to say and coach forever
Now I have to start a new game on NCAA 10, Wait no I dont because JF is my coach alreay. yahhaa This makes me super happy.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
so we are going to the gator bowl
Isnt that going to piss the other teams above us off because its a better bowl. I know some want this but I would rather have an early Dec game so JF and his new guys can hit the road and get us some big recruits. If we lose to WVA now its could hurt the recruiting some more. Are we going to have to wait tell jan to get a new DC now. This could still suck.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I don’t think this will affect recruiting at all. The only thing that will affect the DC search is the school or team that that candidate currently works for. We know we will have a new DC and new defensive staff next year and that’s been known for a while so it’s safe to say that the search has already begun. A decision may have already been made but you need to go through official channels, which is where the wait shows up. However, little of that is on FSU’s end and even less has to deal with the bowl game.
FSUn or somebody in the know, please advise
please advise – like many others I’m happy to see this over but sad to see a legend go.
Should I buy Gator Bowl tickets or Champs Bowl tickets? I expect somethng like this sell out witihn hours so I don’t want to miss, what’s your take?
Y'all going to the Gator Bowl is bullshit.
If I were an FSU fan, I wouldn’t want any part of the Gator Bowl. Getting slaughtered by a better team is not the sendoff i would want for Bowden. Go to the Champs Sports Bowl and “upset” Northwestern.
Plus, living in South GA, It’ll be a lot easier on me to go to Gainsville than Orlando.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 1, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Bowl. Just glad to be where ever
Will be Nice to atleast see BB and MA go out on a W also nice get the extra week of practice for EJ & the Team
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Dec 1, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. More visibility for us.
All the pageantry and a chance to shock the world means only positives for us.
>>---l>
New defensive coaches
All they have to do is teach the team to tackle and run the exact same plays and our defense would be leaps and bounds better on Jan 1. Not saying we should be favored to win against WVU, but if our guys can just tackle I think we can play with a lot of teams in the middle of their leagues.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 1, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
It will prob be around 4pm when we get the word.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Its like Christmas morning when I was a kid...
so I’m bull-rushing it. Cut me some slack. :OP
I want the current staff removed and the new staff named this afternoon as well!!!
........
Dear Bobby Bowden and Charlie Weis,
Thank you both for getting cut loose by your universities.
Signed,
Carlos Dunlap
Why couldn't he have gotten loaded this time last week
and taken Charlie String and the rest of the D with him.
espn's thing about bowden's career
was done pretty well. i liked it.
Not the Nutz Bowl?
I live near Pac Bell Park, and want to see the Noles in person. The last Emerald Bowl, when we creamed UCLA, I sat next to the FSU bench, good views of Jeffy as well as Bobby. It is a baseball park, and the stands go very close to the field.
Chief Osceola
They should rename it the "Freeze your NUTZ" Bowl.
A Bowl in San Fran? Wintertime? Really?
Mark Twain: “The coldest Winter I ever spent was the Summer I spent in San Francisco.”
Dunlap
Will he be suspended for Bama game? How much of a difference will that make on the game if he is not at the game?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
He will be suspended for the 1st defensive series...
of the SEC Championship Game. :OP
thats Bullshit
He broke the Law.. is he 21?
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Dec 1, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Only 20, but that is the least of his problems
"It boils down to one of two things: It's either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses."
2:15
The team meeting should have started now. Hopefully wont be too much longer for an official word.
Would it be shameful of me if...
I blast Christmas music all day today?
ESPN's Pat Forde's take:
Pat Forde (1:36 PM)
Mike: Very tough decision. I believe FSU has handled it as well as it could be handled when your legend-in-residence doesn’t want to quit and cannot see that he’s past due to quit. I think it was time for FSU to get tough with Bowden and force a change that was best for the program, and it did so. Sorry to see his tenure come to an inglorious and somewhat acrimonious end, but he brought that upon himself
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 1, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions
Patrick, you just gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling in my nether regions.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
In regards to and ESPN article claiming that FSU has handled this situation poorly, I wrote:
Since 2001:
2001 Bowden skirts nepotism laws to higher son Jeff as offensive coordinator; FSUs offense goes from nation premier to bottom of ACC
2003 Bowden gives son Steve 1.5 million in investment scheme. Turns out scheme is scandal and he accrues a speculative 11 million dollars in legal fees to keep his son, Steve, out of jail.
2006 Jeff Bowden’s son is forced out of Tallahassee. Bowden negotiates a severance package for a contract that does not exist. So, essentially Jeff was paid off to leave.
I could keep going and list things that really don’t make him or his family seem too nice—but they are better written else were.
All ESPN looks at is the career of this man, but they fail to realize that his character and his career are two different stories. Bowden is a family man, a man not unlike that of George Hershal-Walker Bush. And much like Bush, he will promote that family and the greatness of his name above all else, even if that means promoting people who are uinder-qualified or seizing power when there is no clear plan for its resolution.
Stop acting like journalistic pedestrians and get your #### together.
Hershel was a kick arse RB. A little foggy on his term as El Presidente.
by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Dec 1, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Fine here
BB turned this program into a backwoods used car lot. I will never view him other than total disdain. The statues should be torn down until a true representative of FSU emerges. Yeah the media gorges on BB but they hate us, a small school sticking it to the boys from the panhandle.
FSU was something to be proud of until this fiasco. Lord lets get it over with.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Oi.
Reading Darnell Dockett’s Twitter feed is like reading a Pacman Jones bit from Kissing Suzy Kolber. (SH*T B ON!) Except it’s not satire.
WE GON DRANK.
based on your attempts at FJM style stuff
I’m going to kindly request you leave that stuff to the professionals
by ArsonistSavior on Dec 1, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN reports its official.
Bobby Bowden announced the Gator Bowl will be his last game.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Ya gotta be kidding
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I'm sorry, but......
FSU doesn’t deserve a Gator Bowl bid. Hell, why not go ahead and put USC in the Rose Bowl?
Let’s just go ahead ond fuck the Gator Bowl up completely……. FSU vs. Notre Dame. We’ll call it the Mediocre Bowl. I’m not hating on FSU, just stating the facts. Give me one good reason Miami, Clemson, or VaTech should be passed over for FSU.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 1, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
You know the Canes don't travel at all.
Clemson just had the Gator bowl.
Chick-fil-a (peach) takes Va Tech
Understand your outrage but
1. Miami fans don’t go to games in Miami
2. Bobby Bowden’s last game ever as a head coach in the state of Florida against WVU where he first became a recognizable coach has a bit of a draw to it
Don't be so hard on the canes
They probably have just won their last game in the modern era.,
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
BOOM
Paul Finebaum and Pat Forde just told it like it is on ESPN. Finebaum called out Bowden for speaking as if he owned FSU as opposed to working for FSU.
Finebaum also doubts Jimbo’s ability to turn things around. Disagree with him there, but we shall soon see. We’re entering the unknown.
I doubt Finebaums's ability to be related to reality
To be anyting other than a laughing stock, disgrace to humanity that nobody listens to or cares about.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Who is the DC?
That is really all we need to know at the present time.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
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