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Who is Bowden Kidding? He Will Have No Meaningful Say In Choosing Florida State's Next Defensive Coordinator

Update:  When pressed, Bowden stated that he would not disagree with Jimbo Fisher's choice.

"I think he  [Fisher] definitely has to have a say-so because he's the future here. You know it?" Bowden said of Fisher. "And it's one of those things I'll make the final decision on. But I'll definitely get his input, and very strongly."

This is one of the most laughable things Bowden has said of late.  Bowden is no longer in touch with the coaching community, he's not out networking with young up-and-coming coaches, and he won't have any meaningful say in the hiring of the next defensive coordinator.  Aside from the fact that it is illogical to let Bowden decide who will be the defensive coordinator after he is gone from the program instead of Fisher, who is saving Florida State, Bowden simply isn't capable of making a quality hire at this point.  Do I need to bring up Jeff Bowden, Chuck Amato, Dexter Carter, or Jodey Allen?  Let's see how many of Bowden's recent hires get jobs after they are not retained by Florida State. 

Instead of that noise, Bowden should have said "Mickey Andrews is our defensive coordinator and has been a great 'Nole for many years.  We're focused on beating Clemson.  At the conclusion of this season, we will aggressively pursue the defensive coordinator Jimbo thinks will best help lead Florida State into the next decade as a dominant football program."

But instead, he continues to try to assert that he has this power that he simply doesn't have.  It's almost like a kid gloating because his mom left him $15 to order a pizza.  Only she gave him the specific order.  And he will have to go to bed before it arrives.  What's the point?

I know that Fisher and pretty much all aspiring young coaches keep a "dream staff list" of guys they would hire should they get a head coaching position. 

Inside, I give my thoughts on what Bowden's comments mean, what FSU will do, when we might expect changes, and who the next defensive coordinator could be.

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Let's update:  I think the exact same thing I thought back on October 7th, with a few additions.

As I told you Monday, Jimbo Fisher is on the verge of getting a new contract that will grant him nearly all of the meaningful head coaching powers(final say over game day operations, recruiting, coaching, practice, and personnel decisions) as soon as the current regular season ends.

As I indicated yesterday morning, Bobby Bowden has two choices.   Bowden can choose stay on for 2010 as an emasculated head coach in name only, ceding all powers to Jimbo Fisher.  That would mean that Fisher could fire team cancer/ linebackers coach/ executive head coach Chuck Amato, Defensive Ends coach Jody Allen, and a few other coaches who are either unqualified or unwilling to coach at a championship level.  Combine that with the almost certain retirement of legendary defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews at season's end, and you have a situation where Bobby Bowden would not be able to promote Amato, thought to be the person he trusts on staff, to the defensive coordinator position.  Under this scenario, Bowden would receive only the $1 Million bonus for the lifetime achievement (see linked article above).  Since Bowden would not be allowed to make any personnel or other important decisions, he would obviously not be promoting Amato to replace Andrews as defensive coordinator.  

On the other hand, Bowden has a lucrative deal available to him should he elect to simply walk away at season's end.  In addition to the $1 Million bonus, I believe the boosters will offer him as much as $3 Million in extra compensation, possibly more, for him to just go away.  How much does Bowden really care about money?.  How much does his family care about money?  Some say a lot because he allegedly lost a good bit of money in his son's felony investment scheme and allegedly lost some more in some condos gone bad along Florida's Emerald Coast during the real estate crash.  If his posturing is merely a money grab, he'll take this option.

I am told that Bowden is digging in and is refusing either option.  Obviously, his obstinacy is not making this situation easy.  I told you this could get ugly.  

FSU held strong.  Mickey Andrews announced his retirement, as we reported FSU had been telling recruits that he would do.  Bowden's two options still remain the the university will not budge, we are told.

 

The major hangup is still Chuck Amato.  Bowden's loyalty is again causing him problems.   It's served him well at times throughout his carer.  Here however, if he decides that his loyalty to Chuck Amato is more important to him than Florida State, his Florida State coaching career will be over.  He wants to name Amato as the next defensive coordinator.  Florida State simply will not allow that.

But if Bowden does elect to come back under the terms of the offer, what does that say about him?  Is he simply coaching to pick up a check?  With no right to make meaningful decisions, what would Bowden be doing?  Would he sacrifice Amato to save himself?  Some would ask that question now, but insiders unanimously will tell you that his role on the current team is much worse than figurehead.  It's worse because he still tries to make decisions he believes are good, but in reality they are not beneficial to the team because he is ill-informed and not capable of leading well enough to make those decisions.  Any win he gained on his record under this proposal would have to ring hollow.  Isn't Bowden a more prideful man than that scenario would allow for?  

Of course if Bowden did decide to come back in the reduced capacity, it could be that he is motivated by a fear of death.  In his book and in several other interviews throughout his career, Bowden has referenced Bear Bryant, the legendary Alabama coach who coach Bowden idolized.  Importantly though, Bowden has referenced Bryant's death, which occurred shortly after he quit coaching.  So quick in fact, that coach Bryant never lived to see a single snap of Alabama football as a retired coach.  The common Bowden quote goes "There's only one more event in a man's life after retirement, and I an't lookin forward to that."  I won't get into the man's faith, as this is a forum for analysis of athletics and related issues, but I have always been curious how he meshes his great fear of death with his strong Christian beliefs.  I had the pleasure to listen to Coach Bowden give an Easter sermon probably 15 or so years ago and he was excellent, and am in no way questioning his faith. 

 I've been told that Chuck Amato knows he will not be retained, as does defensive ends coach Jodey Allen.  If Bobby comes back, which again, I do not expect him to do, he knows it will not be with his buddies on staff.  We're talking straight money grab here folks.  

So why the comments?

Playing or Surviving the Media Game

Prepare for Florida State to take a beating in the National Media.  Unfortunately, in-depth journalism doesn't gather ratings or readers when it comes to a national media.  They specialize in quick blurbs that can be easily repackaged and repeated all over a vast array of outlets.  In particular, the older members of the national media will side with Bowden, almost unanimously.  

 

And expect them to be fed anti-FSU information directly from the Bowden camp.  Bowden is an 80-year old man with Diabetes, Shingles, and a perpetual flu that has him constantly wiping his nose with a handkerchief as he ambles about the sidelines, sometimes 30 yards away from the action, other times trying to assert his ill-informed will over the team.  But the same qualities that make him a terrible current coach(and I say current to separate his current ability from his amazing career), also make him an incredibly sympathetic figure.  He's a cute broken down old man who still wants to work and tend to what he built.  Nobody from his inner circle will take his keys.  Bowden will make a great victim in the national press.  Many who are unfamiliar with the situation will be extremely sympathetic towards him.

Nobody in the national media will understand how he has set Florida State's program on fire and driven it off a cliff for a period of time FSU fans have coined the "Lost Decade."  The national media won't do their homework and realize that Bowden betrayed Florida State through a series of amazingly selfish and ill-planned decisions.  It's smart for the Bowden camp to keep feeding the news media this positive press.  Maybe they will hire a PR Firm to do their dirty work.

So while Bowden will shrewdly plays the media game, can Florida State fight back through the press?   Indeed they can.  They need to do so in an undercover manner, and they may have already started.  ESPN ran a story on their ticker that indicated Florida State will not ask Bobby Bowden to step down.  That statement is 100% accurate.  Bowden is on a one-year contract and he will not be fired during the season.  The options, as I laid out above, are either to return with the reduced responsibilities or walk away.  There will  be no firing.  It would simply be a non-renewal of a one year contract.  No outlet will be able to say Florida State fired Bobby Bowden.  They simply didn't elect to renew his deal.  Florida State doesn't need to drum up much public support.  They can weather the media storm because they hold all the cards.  Bowden is the one who needs a miracle here.  

 Guess what, he's still playing the media game.  I'm not sure how that P.R. firm is working out for him, but I believe that his current motivation is two-fold.  First, his comments increase the money FSU will pay him to go away.  Second, if he did come back, he wants to appear to have as much control as possible.

And Florida State will continue to not comment on the situation.  Instead, it will let its contract with Fisher do the talking.  FSU is handling this correctly.  Mickey announcing was the first step.

 

What's Next?

It seems increasingly likely that Fisher's contract will get done  very soon, granting him head coach powers, with or without the title.  As for Bowden, Florida State might just let this one die down a bit in the media.  FSU can make it look like this situation is completely up to Bobby Bowden.  It's not Florida State's decision, it's Bowden's retirement planning.  

I initially thought that Florida State needed to handle this like a band-aid.  Rip that sucker off and begin the healing process.  Don't let it linger.  I thought that because I believed that FSU needed an announcement from Bowden in order to appease the boosters and save the recruiting class.  

But I no longer believe that.  With the Fisher contract likely to grant him full coach powers, I no longer feel Bowden's announcement is essential.  Making it seem like this situation was all about the Fisher contract and completely ignoring any of the pity-party nonsense that comes from the Bowden camp is a genius way to handle this process because it definitively answers questions about Florida State's future (including recruiting) and doesn't force FSU to placate the Bowden camp in any way.  Instead of saying "end of the Bobby Bowden Era", FSU will simply say "We are excited to embark on the Jimbo Fisher Era."  

As for a timetable on something like this, it is hard to say.  I didn't expect Bowden to fight this as hard as he is.  Sure, I expected him to publicly fight it, but I expected him to privately accept one of the options.  If the Fisher announcement is made soon as many suspect, then the Bowden decision could be delayed until Christmas.  It really wouldn't matter.  Fisher already has his offensive coordinator on staff, and he would need to select a defensive coordinator regardless of Bowden's decision.  The point being, the timing of Bowden choosing either option won't affect Fisher's ability to compile a championship caliber staff and finish strong in the recruiting trail as he and the other coaches attempt to repair some of the damage done by Bowden's mismanagement of the program.  

If the Fisher announcement hits a snag, then I would expect some sort of "progress is being made" announcement.

Fisher's contract is pretty much finished, but I believe it is being worked on in such a manner that it can't be accessed by public records law.

When can we expect changes? 

As I said previously, I believe they will come right after the Florida game.  We will know whether Bowden stays or goes two weeks before Christmas.  And I think he is gone.  I can't see him staying with a staff full of coaches who won't have to listen to his rambling nonsense. 

Who will Fisher pick as his defensive coordinator?

Remember that we initially conducted an exhaustive search of all the coaches with substantial connections to Fisher.  I personally believe the signs point to Alabama's Kirby Smart.  Why Smart?

  1. More money at FSU (5 or 600K)
  2. Connections to Tallahassee and his family is nearby (Smart's parents live in South Georgia, just a stone's throw from Tallahassee).  
  3. Smart coached at Florida State and loved it, reportedly.
  4. Chance to mold the defense in his own image-- total autonomy and schematic freedom.  And with that autonomy, the chance to get credit for doing so. 
  5. Get credit for turning around one of the bottom 30 defenses in the country.  No matter what, Bama's defense will always be Saban's.
  6. Not having to work for Nick Saban (Guys want to work for Saban only long enough to learn all he has to teach, then they get out.  He's terrible to work for and treats his guys like crap.  Also, families of Saban's coaches typically don't enjoy it.)  Fisher could be slightly less insane than Saban and still be effective.
  7. Quicker path to a head coaching job.  Saban has not done a good job of promoting his assistants for head coaching positions.  Smart would have to know that if he turns FSU's defense around (likely, given the current cluster that is the defensive staff), he'd be one of the hottest commodities in the country, especially given that he learned from two organizational masters.
  8. Other ties I won't delve into.

No matter who it is, the next DC will be of the Saban defensive mold (read that).  There isn't a defensive system that is close when it comes to the college game.

So I predict that there will be big changes in less than a month, and those changes will be known to the public.  If I had to say it right now, I'd say Kirby Smart in, Bobby Bowden out.

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Could you put some more info up on Sal Sunseri?

I never liked his name coming up. It seemed a lot, to me, like Saban has been trying to pull a fast one at pimping Sal to us to keep Kirby. All I’m aware about him is that he was a position coach forever has was DC once at Alabama A&T.

by pillsburysoldier on Nov 5, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Spetman replied: “I actually have final say on who gets hired in the department. I’ll work with him, of course. I have to sign the contract.”

by marlins44 on Nov 5, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

He can gauge the political winds, as bureaucrats are wont to do.

The trustees have their “preferences”, and TK is no longer able to protect Bowden or him. Spetman has to “step up” if he wants to survive.

by FiestaNole on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Same thing I have heard

As some people know I have always disagreed with FSUncensored assertation that Bowden would be gone this year. I had heard rumblings that TK would throw Bobby one last bone and keep him around. I have now heard that is no longer an option and people are really tired of Bowden and his foot in the mouth comments. His semi-retraction today of his defensive coordinator comments is another sign he is realizing that he is over stepping his boundaries. My family has held season tickets at FSU for over 30 years and my uncle used to hit the links back in the day when Killearn Country Club was the place to get FSU booster news and scoops. My feeling has now changed and even if we run the table the rest of the year the chance of Bowden coming back is zero to none.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That is a pretty abrupt change of stance for you.

Don’t mean to sound like I’m judging you or anything, but to see you come to a realization of something that you’ve been arguing against is….well, I don’t….I guess it’s just interesting.

Hopefully the information you’ve gotten is sound, as I think that (sadly) Bobby retiring is the only way we bounce back quickly. If he stays for another year, I think that just puts more strain (real or perceived) on the program, both on the field and off, and both with current players and future players.

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey everyone is wrong sometimes

and if you have ever lived in Tallahassee before you know it is a good ole boy town and it’s always who you know not what you know. I think 2-3 games ago my theory would have been spot on but trustees and boosters have now started to swing the way of the informed fans. Bowden also has really hurt himself with some of his comments recently. The drop is attendance makes no one happy at the university and Andrews announcement was the first strike to get fans to come back and support FSU and hopefully gain some sympathy for the first of our legends to leave. I no longer live in Tally, but always have a good idea on what is going on because of my ties and my families long time standing within the university. I can admit when I am wrong and in this case it looks as if Bowden is losing all support within this system and TK can’t bail him out.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You obviously can't read

I’ve always had good information and only state what I am hearing. I’ve never thought Bowden coming back was a good thing and have been ready for him to leave a long time. The only ones that have seen the light are people in power.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Jinx

you owe me a coke….

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But he wasn’t saying it SHOULDN’T happen, just that there was no way it was going to.

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that makes sense.

He should have to clean up his own mess before the new president comes in. If TK won’t do what he should be doing for his employer, then he should get dinged going out the door.

There is justice in the world after all.

by FiestaNole on Nov 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

From the universities perspective this is probably the biggest issue. No one is going to want to take the president job if they are going to have to deal with the Bowden issue.

by marlins44 on Nov 5, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

There will be plenty of people lining up for this position regardless of BB

We are a major university that has responsibilities other than football.

We are looking for out next president to be as far removed from athletics as possible.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 5, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This may have changed from last week...

but there was a story out on this, and apparently the search committee doesn’t have a whole lot of candidates, and noone had even applied for the position.

by jasonole59 on Nov 5, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Thanks for the info, that is pretty sad to see especially since we had some impressive candidates last time around.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 5, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Last time around....

FSU hired a community college president over a candidate from STANFORD and Ohio State.

In the world of credible candidates, that makes FSU look like a bunch of rednecks. Because of that….and the BB situation, FSU will have fewer candidates. They doubt FSU will hire a solid candidate (instead going for an insider like always) so they don’t want to go through the trouble.

FSU has had a decade of stupid hires at multiple levels…….we are still suffering and lack of candidates are just another issue.

by noles55 on Nov 6, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeb

What’s he doing these days? If it’s all politics anyways …. just sayin’.

by NoleLaw on Nov 6, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

TK

How do ya like them apples?!?!?

by CSI Nole on Nov 5, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

AC had a good point in his blog. What do you want Bowden to say? He can’t really say that Jimbo has more power than him (and in effect the ability to hire the next DC) because Bowden is still the HC. I agree that it makes little to no sense in having Bowden anywhere near this coaching hire but I do understand him stating things this way. It could have been done more tactful though. I would have liked him to say something like:

We will sit down as a University and find the best candidate for the job.

However, you know reporters are going to ask him who has the final say and they’ll keep badgering him. Again, I don’t like it but I do understand it.

by evenflow58 on Nov 5, 2009 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

The Real Question

Andrew poses the right question at the end of the blog

“Could he (Bowden) envision hiring somebody Fisher was against hiring?

and I think we all know the answer to that is NO!!!!!!!

by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He does not have a good point

I want Bobby to keep his mouth shut. It is easy. Dont say anything at all. Pride can be a terrible thing

by Miaminole on Nov 5, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

PR firm play again

It’s all about the image. They portray him to have all the power he wants, and then when he leaves at the end of the year he will have “selflessly given it up” to Jimbo. We know it’s crap, but it will work in the national media.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 5, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

Seems possible but...

He does post a lot of stuff about himself… perhaps he is on another award semifinalist/finalist list?

Could be defensive coordinator related but that seems unlikely (are there any etiquette/rules about announcing a poached staffer from another teem this early?)

Maybe this is Bobby related as the writing is now on the wall that he will be all alone next year and neutered of powers if he stays (or, I should say, is allowed to stay). Maybe the deal is cut for Bobby’s golden parachute or the deal is done for Jimbo’s contract.

by thx2001r on Nov 5, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It won't be about coaching

We have to wait 30 days from when we announce the DC position will be available (which was Monday) to when we announce who the next one will be. It won’t be Bowden related. It’s probably some dumb promotion from seminoles.com or that he’s on an awards list or something.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's about Jimbo's new contract

Rumor has it that Jimbo’s contract was just about done. The writing is on the wall that we are losing recruits due to the uncertainty about the coaching status. If Jimbo will have the authority to choose the next DC, seems logical to follow Mickey’s announcement with one about who will be doing the interviewing and decision-making for the position. Ponder & Jimbo spend a lot of time together . . .

Or maybe it is something stupid about another award or something.

by NoleLaw on Nov 5, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree but...

He isn’t announcing anything, he’s saying that there will be a big announcement today on the official athletic site. If this twitter account is just a mouthpiece for the FSU SID then this might just be a way to get more eyeballs to their site today for something big (some social network marketing). I agree with you and think that this most likely will be some sort of award list semifinalist inclusion for Ponder.

by thx2001r on Nov 5, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Assure:Destro assured Cobra Commander that his boots were very shiny. Ensure: Aunt May gets her daily vitamins from a can of Ensure

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Nov 5, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

you're right

it is bad to correct someone’s grammar when they say something correctly. assure and ensure are synonyms and state the same thing…to guarantee or make certain an outcome.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

From Seminoles.com

Florida State and Nike will reveal a limited edition uniform that the Seminoles will wear against Maryland on November 21 today at 3:00 p.m. on Seminoles.com. The uniform will include the debut of remarkable new Nike technology so stay tuned.

by NoleLaw on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Or if it is special Gecko grip fabric

that allows our arm-tackling defense to actually hold onto and bring down someone on contact. That would have to be a long-sleeved (with gloves combination) deal, though.

by thx2001r on Nov 5, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be awesome

I can just imagine we have 3 guys being dragged behind a RB by one arm each.

Can you imagine a fumble?
Ref: Let go of him #13
Bradham: I can’t!!!!
Ref: You’re gonna get a Personal Foul, #13
Bradham: Baby, PLEASE NO!!! (in his best GTA: San Adreas voice)

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Gecko Tech

It’s out there. It’s being worked on. This link isn’t really football related (maybe it will be in the future, imagine gecko receiver gloves!). But if you like science, like me, you will enjoy this.

http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_full_learning_from_the_gecko_s_tail.html

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what I was alluding to...

and extra speed wouldn’t help (didn’t Mickey say this was the fastest FSU defense ever…). We need to slow down and have our coaches teach these kids tackling, reading formations, put the defense in schemes that work with the personnel… You know, set the kids up for success!

What use is a bionic uniform that increases your “intensity” when you are simply watching the other team run by you and out-scheme you?

by thx2001r on Nov 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

According to the GI JOE movie

the bionic suits are freaking awesome, FYI

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We should do a "blackout" or "whiteout" of the Maryland game

That way we can “insure” a loss.

If you don’t get it, see above…ensure is yummy.

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point evenflow58

by Noles93 on Nov 5, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

Well in hind site they were bad

But unlike Jeff Bowden who was not qualified, and the current DE coach, who had plenty of experience coaching other positions, but not DES, Dickey’s bio actually made him look very qualified to be a quarterback’s coach.

by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to post that!

Those hires are especially inept when we consider the likely reason for them: to prop up Jeff, construct an offense, and teach him to be an OC.

Bowden hired Dickey as the QB coach at the same time Jeff was made OC without any experience. At the time, Dickey was head coach at a DIII “Christian” school iirc, and was repsonsible for its league- leading offense. But that was DIII, which is like a bad HS team.

When that experiment failed completely and Jeff was under heat, Bowden fired Heggins and hired McHale, who supposedly had OC experience as well. That also failed, even with the desparation move of giving McHale control of the running game and Jeff the passing game.

When Jeff got forced out, his crutches were the first one Bowden fired.

Now, given the stakes, can we assume that Bowden would have done his best to hire coaches he thought would help and then save his own son? And could those hires have been any worse? Is either one of them even in coaching anymore?

by FiestaNole on Nov 5, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The question I wonder still is

Were Dickey and McHale dragged down by trying to help Jeff Bowden come up with plays? I thought that might be part of it, but most OC’s are position coaches as well, so I feel Dickey and McHale still failed. Again, Dickey looked good on paper and Bowden had seen him work with Peter Tom Willis before (still not sure why though since they had Richt there). I think Bowden should have realized he was not as good as expected sooner though and axed him. Many said even though Jimmy Heggins’ firing was to distract from JB, that they were not sad to see Heggins go. Unforunately McHale’s Olines were probably worse. The poor Oline play and QB play sure did not help Jeff Bowden’s offense, but his poor play designs/calls probably did not help them so it was just a total recipe for disaster. For all we know some other longer standing coaches behind the scenese may have hindered McHale and Dickey, though I doubt it.

by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Bowden has always said...

that he doesn’t like to build up or participate in the drama of “His Last Game”. So, I think he knows that he will retire after the bowl game (if we make it to one), but he just don’t want to say it. His friend of long time Mickey Andrews will retire, and if Jimbo has powers to hire new Defensive coaching staff, he will get rid of Chuck Amato, Jody Allen and the rest. So Bowden might feel alone all by himself and finally decides to call it quits after the season. One can hope.

by DesiSeminole on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Talk is cheap

He has done nothing but take the focus off the team and put it on him. I don’t buy for a second that he doesn’t want to end with a lot of fan fare and the spotlight is on him.

Bobby put himself in this situation so for him to not receive a “Farewell Tour” is fine by me.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 5, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He will recieve a fair well finger from me

And not the foam #1 variety, although it will be one finger

Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?

by stevegrizzle on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't buy the whole I don't want a "Farewell Tour" babble either

He’s made sure he’s kept himself in the media here lately, there’s no way he’s going out without fanfare, he want that farewell tour.

Problem is I think, and he knows it, that he’s alienated so many people right now that he knows if he steps down at the end of the year, especially if we get pasted by UF and somehow miss a bowl game, that most fans will be glad to rid of him, I doubt he wants to go out like that.

Personally, I think he desperately wants to come back next year for #1 one last big paycheck, #2 the farewell tour.

That’s why I think he is stupid for causing all the ruckus in the media, heck let Jimbo hire his guys, you’ll probably end up with a decent DC, probably have a good season, maybe win the ACC and go to a BCS bowl game, and maybe even end your great career with a win vs UF at home, that would be the way to go out in style, so just shut you’re pie hole already, if you step down now nobody is going to give two shites.

by karmanole on Nov 5, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

very little chance we get a bowl

would have to sweep CU, WF & MD. am conceding beating UF is an absolute impossibility. Because of Jax St we have to win 7. Nother reason to play terrible 1A team instead of pretty good 1AA team

by sperrett on Nov 5, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Color me the skeptic

But I have a hard time believing Bowden will not be on the sidelines next year.

by ThatDudeDan on Nov 5, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Makes sense for you and everyone else to feel that way.

Many of us aren’t old enough to remember him not being on the sideline.

by truenole87 on Nov 5, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

How Bowden gets final say

Jimbo – identifies candidates, interviews, recruits, select finalist
Bobby – meets with candidates, reviews references, approves Jimbo’s finalist

Of course, the truth is that Spetman gets “final” say – the contract’s last signature from FSU’s side comes from the athletic director. But Spetman is likely only to no more than rubber stamp the choice unless there are ethical, legal, character and/or NCAA issues with the choice.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 5, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

bobby will be allowed to choose any candidate he wants

as long as he is the guy that jimbo has selected.

Or to analogize, you can have any flavor you like, so long as it is chocolate.

by fsu44 on Nov 5, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

God I hope BB has little to no say in the next DC

I really do

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Christian Ponder has superpowers

by JMB on Nov 5, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Question about Smart

How much of the defense is a credit to him, and how much is a credit to Saban? People like to say its “Saban’s defense”. How much of this is true? Would Smart be a really good DC on his own or would this be a Jagz as Bucs OC-type epic fail?

by Pinto on Nov 5, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

He's learned under some of the best.

It is Saban’s defense but Smart has studied under him for 3-4 years now (counting LSU).

Saban said he is the best DC he has ever had.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe Smart also coached with Saban

while with the Miami Dolphins so he has NFL exp as well. He’s an up and coming star in coaching ranks.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He did

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

How does it work in college?

Do we need permission from the school to talk to someone currently employed? Is it a case-by-case basis? Is there an NCAA rule about this? Is it up to the school?

I know coaches have been hired after the regular season and before their teams bowl game (Richt, Meyer) but did the teams that hired them need to seek approval from their schools before talking to them?

by Pinto on Nov 5, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

more case by case

There’s no real rule, other than the “unwritten” type. Some schools have a rule requiring their coaches to report contact, but the initiating institution doesn’t have to. I believe the “unwritten” rule is to seek permission to contact the AD when it is a “lateral” move, but that is loosely defined. Is moving from being DC at Middle Tennessee State to an assistant at FSU lateral? Is moving from DC at Alabama under a defensive minded head coach to DC at FSU where one would have more autonomy lateral?

Schools may also write into the contracts that coaches can’t interview for new jobs until after the season, including post-season, is over without permission. In football, schools often give permission due to the typically gap between end of the regular season and the bowls – the players often are pretty much off during finals, and not giving permission to interview during that gap of time is seen as harmful to recruiting future assistants. Would you accept a job where you’re restricted from interviewing for a head coaching job or coordinator position (if you are a position asst) during what amounts to down time anyway?

by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Wild

Just trying determine a timeframe here…for instance, would the DC need to be hired first, announced, and then his staff announced thereafter? Would the DC be hush-hush, he would approve a staff who would be hired, then later after all the bowl games the DC is announced and comes aboard? Needless to say the next 2 months should be interesting.

by Pinto on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Been hearing a lot of smoke about Sunseri lately

He is a legit option.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

FWIW

I heard a rumor that Saban is trying to pimp him out so teams go after him instead of Smart.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 5, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still 100% on the Smart train and will continue to be

but Sunseri is still a very good hire IMO. I just want Bama’s defense!!!

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Bowden Clarifies Stance

The Chopping Block has BB clarifying his comments over who’s making the final coaching decision.

“There won’t be any disagreement” between Coach Fisher and himself. Read into that, I’m rubber stamping what Jimbo wants.

by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Nov 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting that he felt rpessured to "clarify" his statement.

I wonder who called him after his initial remark about picking the DC. Hmmm….

by FiestaNole on Nov 5, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Whomever it was

cares that recruits might be led astray by stupid information.

by Miaminole on Nov 5, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We ought to go ahead and assume next year's defense will run the 3-4

That is exciting to me. I would love to Jenkins, McDaniel, and Dawkins play DE in that setup. McCray and (hopefully) Deas at NG. Getting more LBs on the field should help defend against the spread slightly. At the very least, it gives you some flexibility to switch into a 3-3, and replace an OLB with nickel/safety type.

by ricobert1 on Nov 5, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Don't forget McAllister as one of the Strongside DE's

He has been somewhat forgotten, but he will be an impact player right away in my opinion.

by Zach_Nole on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Deas would be a SDE in a 3-4...

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

McDaniel at DE in a 3-4 is a perfect fit, imo

He has the quickness to shed some blocks, uses his hands well, but is stout against the run and can definitely hold up at POA.

by ricobert1 on Nov 5, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Do we have enough Linebackers to play a 3-4?

Bradham
Carr
Smith
Harris?
and then nothing but true freshman. Pulling Christian Jones is a must. I’m not so high on Luc….I actually hope we don’t get him.

by Zach_Nole on Nov 5, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot Vince Williams

He is much better than Smith, if he is able to come back healthy.

by Zach_Nole on Nov 5, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a gigantic if.

He’s getting better from everything I’ve read, but it’s still a back injury and a major one at that. Those are always really bad.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Nov 5, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Markus White would likely move to the Jack (LB) spot

I think he’d do well there personally. Toshmon Stevens may be athletic enough to see a little time there too.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Also here, Mister

I really like his speed from a 2-point stance; has a few sacks at the end of games from this position, really, this year.

by ricobert1 on Nov 5, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Onwakaif in the next class as well....

it may be easier to recruit small fast 3* ends to play OLB in a 3-4. the Linemen are the biggest issues and we seem to have some options there.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If Most people think White would play the Jack LB spot, then you have to assume that Dorsey is being recruited for the same thing...

Same build, same JuCo resume….

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't at all

Dude is all of 6’8- he is a speed rush DE.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't put a 250lb guy on a 3-4 line.

If he’s recruited as a DE, then I think FSUn is right about running a 4-3 most of the time next year…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

whatever you say

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Does it make much since to switch to a new scheme and start with the same problem of being undersized?

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 5, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That weight was listed months ago. He isn't going to be 250 next August, isn't that a rational assumption?

And I have always thought that we will run multiple schemes next year. It would take 1-2 years to get the correct personnel to fully transition to the 3-4. I think the ability to show different schemes makes FSU’s defense harder to plan against.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Re-reading my posts and they come off as angry when they shouldn't

lol sorry about that.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

Saban ran a 4-3 at LSU. And I think we might have a linebacker issue, but that depends on how Toshmon, White, And Jenkins adjust to playing OLB.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We need some talented big bodies

At this point Deas and McCloud are basically must gets…

by Zach_Nole on Nov 5, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What about McDaniel in a year?

Is McDaniel’s body too short for him to get much bigger? I know he is short, but he still weighs a decent bit for his height and was a big time recruit so are you sure he won’t become a good DT? I know McCray has more size, but he has not really shown much more to me.

by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Cant wait

to see what happens with McDaniel +1 year under Stroud’s program.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 5, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Stroud leaving with CTC....

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, so be it.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Nov 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And we will get both

just a matter of getting Deas qualified.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Haven't heard of McCloud and qualifying

I have heard he isn’t in shape right now and is managing his condition.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep hearing that Deas is basically locked up.

Also, McDaniel will be able to gain weight in the off-season, as will Mcallister, who’s frame can hold a lot more. I know he’s Redshirting, but Dan Hicks could play a factor at DE or maybe Jack next season if we’re in a 3-4

by truenole87 on Nov 5, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's interesting to see that, at least up front, we have the personnel for a multiple front defense

But our defensive end philosophy is “must get pressure from DEs because of speed,” and we just don’t have that this year. CFB has moved away from this mindset; most would give up speed to control the POA. Heck, even the NFL doesn’t think like this; that’s why they draft our ends and put them at Jack LB in a 3-4 (Wimbley, Brown)

by ricobert1 on Nov 5, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

But the technique and discipline from the DE position will undoubtedly be much much better next season regardless of the scheme or front we play.

by truenole87 on Nov 5, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

But I think that will transpire because of personnel changes. McDaniel or Dawkins (or even Jenkins, who has good technique for a DE) would play there. And their mindset as an FSU DT is a balance between rushing and controlling the POA.

by ricobert1 on Nov 5, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It'll be more than just personnel chances

Jodey Allen is completely incompetent. But I do see your point.

by truenole87 on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Jenkins could play OLB

I don’t think so w/ Stevens…the little I’ve seen of him. Course in a 3-4, he best start looking for a new team

by sperrett on Nov 5, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Really I could care less.

4-3, 3-4, 4-2 …does it really matter. I’m sure the new DC will come in with a open mind and find the right fit for our personnel. I’ve heard that Jimbo doesn’t have a preference one way or the other and why would he?

by Noletorious on Nov 5, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

question for FSUn

How accurate was you when Jeff Bowden was fired did you get a scoop on Jimbo and Co. coming to FSU? The reason i am asking you this is because there is a radio guy in Jacksonville, Fl. by the name of Rick Ballou who nailed each coach (Fisher, Trickett, Dawsey, and Carter) and he was calling it when the rumors of JB buyout started (months before it was even annouced) So i hope he got it from you and this site because i hope you are right about Smart coming from alabama.

by mauricel on Nov 5, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

I believe Rick actually got that info off some other sites first.

And to be honest, when Jimbo came, I wasn’t running a site. I think everyone around Tally knew about the buyout of JB coming.

What is Rick saying now? Probably all he can to get ratings (kidding).

by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Rick has no clue on who is going to be the next DC

that is why i am hoping and praying you’re right about Smart

by mauricel on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there...

I personally remember a beautiful tallahassee afternoon when a friend and I sat on his couch and bud graced us with his presence. And no sooner than 30 seconds into the conversation he declared that jimbo would be here next year way before i had read or heard of it anywhere else. The kid has a gift.

"The thing about the road less traveled is it's not a road" -Jose Wejebe

by 1500phi on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

1270

I remember listening to Rick the Bostonian many years ago on 1270. His producers were Lee Bowen ,Scott Pettibone and Robbie Rob who both later went on to be DJ’s at a local alternative FM station.

Then Lee Bowen took over and Eric Luallen for a stretch. Does anyone remember Republican Marty or Super Dave? These douche bag Gator fans who always used to ambush the show. Also, Democratic Edward was a Nole fan who used to battle with these fools.

This DC talk has me more excited than when I build my own team on Madden 10. Its real in the field.

Thanks for the great site, again.

by LincolnHighNole on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If Smart decides FSU is a good fit

I seriously cannot see Bobby interfering with the opportunity to hire him. He has ties to FSU, he’s a ‘backyard boy’, he’s coched with Jimbo, and he’s coaching the defense of a top 3 football team.

If Smart is indeed an option, and Bobby puts the ixnay on it, it will be damn near impossible for anyone (except for Anne) to defend him.

by DamonH on Nov 5, 2009 12:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

would also add

he is coming from Bama which was always BBs dream job. I know that’s not rational but I think is the way BB thinks at this point

by sperrett on Nov 5, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

How do we have a DT on the recruiting list that is 250 lbs is what I wanna know

I do not see how he plays that spot in high school at that weight. I darn sure hope he is not expected to play that position at FSU at that size. By his senior year at FSU he would be lucky to be up to 270.

by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Hes like 6-5 though and under the radar for everyone.

There is something about him that I like. Just the fact that out of nowhere he popped up and Jimbo wanted him.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 5, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

got chay

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 5, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought in the 3 - 4

The three defensive linemen all had to be bigger since there were less of them.

by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

so lets say smart knows FSU wants him and say he wants FSU

how good of a recruiter is he and are there any people he and us might be after that he might want to get over here. Or Is something like that not likely

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

He is an upper echelon level recruiter

Doubt we can really pull guys, Saban doesn’t let that happen.

They have guys we want for sure.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Nov 5, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Dream Team

The thought of a Jimbo/Coley/Smart trio at FSU makes my pants tighter.

IMO FSU HAS to make this happen. To settle for anything less then the very best candidate would be disatrious, and would send a message to the entire fanbase.

I’d be interested to know what Smart’s mindset is. I think what his future plans could be a bigger factor than $$$ at this point

by DamonH on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

+ Manny Diaz at linebackers coach

To be groomed to be the next DC when Kirby leaves. Dream scenario.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 5, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

how would something like this do for our recruiting.

How good is Smart with recruiting.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Nov 5, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Our recruiting guys are more qualified to answer that than I am

But from what I’ve heard, he’s excellent. Near the level of Jimbo and Coley.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Great recruiter

Out of all the legit DC candidates, he is the best recruiter. High energy, good salesman, delivers promises of player development.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You would take Diaz at LB coach over Sunseri?

Either way, Smart as DC and Diaz or Sunseri at LB coach would be unbelievable.

by basbalstr101 on Nov 5, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So what would be the appeal of Sunseri?

I didn’t know anything about him before reading the DC search article. FSUn said it didn’t do him justice….Saban is trying to pimp him to keep Smart…..

Sunseri seems to be a pretty highly paid position coach, so what else is he bringing that would be highly desirable to Jimbo?

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sunseri is less likely to bolt for a HC position in 2-3 years like Smart would

He is also a student of Dom Capers as well as Saban (from FSUn).

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

When did Suneri coach under Capers?

I thought his tenure in Carolina was under John Fox.

by Noletorious on Nov 5, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I doubt they are a duo

But it would be nice to bring in someone who is familiar (ie runs the system) with the new DC’s schemes

by basbalstr101 on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz

Diaz would lock down South FLA. for us in recruiting

by mauricel on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

my defensive dream team

consists of Smart, Diaz, and Demarest.

by wnc_nole on Nov 5, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I have always been on the other side of the fence on Demo

if he comes on staff, I wouldn’t want him as the recruiting coordinator based on the past record (I know I know, charges were dropped)- wouldn’t even want that thought to cross recruits’ minds. I would much prefer Diaz or a guy like Travis Jones to do it.

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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 5, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all about Manny Diaz...

but i’ve heard that he’s not even under consideration to be part of the new staff at this point and Demarest won’t be apart of the new staff. Strickly hearsay!

by Noletorious on Nov 5, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Man I am ready

Ready for all of these new coaching changes. The nights I spend crying myself to sleep need to be over. I would love if Smart comes and possibly Demarest, who I think will be awesome for recruiting.

Also, does anyone have two tickets to the Clemson game. If so let me know ASAP. Thanks

"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"

by fsudt45 on Nov 5, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Why?

You want to get all your crying out before you go to bed Saturday?

j/k – kind of

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Yes, get all of the crying out of my system by this weekend. I know it’s real short notice and all so finding tickets will be difficult

"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"

by fsudt45 on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant at the game / drive home.

You’ll be “all cried out” by the time you get to bed…

by PBD on Nov 5, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve got 2 extra tickets if interested

by salukinole on Nov 5, 2009 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hey man

shoot me an e-mail with the info..fsudt45@yahoo.com

"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"

by fsudt45 on Nov 5, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

fsudt45@yahoo.com

"He who becomes a beast rids the pain of being man"

by fsudt45 on Nov 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Defensive Coaches

Assuming we do get Smart or Sunseri as our DC I would really love to see Derrick Brooks as our D-line or LB’s coach. Although he did play a Tampa 2 style which is a little different from Saban’s defense he still was an amazing end at FSU and quite possible one of the best Linebackers to ever play in the NFL. Plus I believe he still has family and a home in Tallahassee, at least I remember seeing him around town in the off-season a couple of times while i was still in school up there, and I believe he would do wonders for our team as far as recruiting goes.

by BS37FSU on Nov 5, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

I would hate it

He has no coaching experience.

Great players are often terrible as coaches.

It sends the wrong message to the other coaches and that message has already been F***** up many times here, with Dexter carter, etc.

If Brooks wants to coach he needs to be a GA at another school first, then move to a smaller school, then come to FSU. I do not care who you are, you shouldn’t get a whiff at FSU unless you have a track record elsewhere.

Also, Brooks has no interest in coaching. He’s going to be the president of a University some day or a really good businessman.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Brooks has no experience and I think has aspirations for politics and business. We need experienced young coaches who are ruthless recruiters and have a desire to win.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Its true

That Brooks has no prior coaching experience and maybe bring him in as a GA first (like we did with T-Buck). But Brooks was the coach on the field for a very good Tampa bay defense for years, he knows that system very well and he just seems like he would be a great coach if that is something he would like to get in to. How ever I do also believe he has other plans for life after football that don’t involve coaching, I just personally believe he could be a very good position coach and also great for recruiting. As he is still young and there is nothing like having a NFL icon walk into a recruit’s home with a SB ring on his hand to get the kids’ attention.

by BS37FSU on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you willing to FIRE him if he is a colossal failure after 2 years?

Most people would be up in arms saying how can you do this to a FSU legend. It is just as easy to find another position coach with as many credentials as Brooks.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

check that

By credentials I did not mean all of his awards and accomplishments, I meant his ability to coach.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I see your point

He is just a player I believe could turn out to be a great coach one day because of how he has always led on the field. The guy seems to have the right skills needed to be a good coach but it’s a hard thing to take a gamble on someone who has no prior coaching experience and like you said if it turns out to be a bad call it’s an awful position you put yourself in because you can’t just fire a legend without killing yourself in the media.

by BS37FSU on Nov 6, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Coach on the field means calling signals

But coach in the real sense means teaching technique and scheme. It is a big difference, but i know he could do it if he took the proper route.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 6, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I absolutely think he could do it

but as you said it would probably be better to let him go about it somewhere else first. I just think its important to get our great players from the past more involved with our program as we transition into a new era. Kind of how Miami seems to always have their NFL stars reping the “U” (i feel sick just saying that). Just doesn’t seem like our stars of the past have much pride in FSU anymore, and having people like him around could really help recruiting new talent

by BS37FSU on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

Let me guess, you also want Warrick Dunn to be the RB coach?

Terrible idea. Like Bud said great players don’t always make good coaches.

P.S. Brooks played Safety and then LB in college. He never played DE.

by Pinto on Nov 5, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right

I was thinking of Boulware when i mentioned DE.

And as much as I love Warrick Dun (as a Nole and a Falcons fan) and think he is one of the most under rated RBs ever in the NFL and also a great person off the field, I don’t see him as being a coach. Brooks actually made all the calls on the field in Tampa and knows the Tampa 2 defense better then anyone other then Kiffin himself and I think could translate into a very good position coach and maybe even DC one day. Like I mentioned above though I do also believe he has different plans for life after football.

by BS37FSU on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Brooks & Dunn

You won’t find two better Noles anywhere, but in no way should they get a job as a coach. I think pinto was joking regarding Dunn, however. If Brooks decides he wants to become a coach, I’m sure he could do it, but like was stated above he should start small and work his way up. Making reads and adjustments on the field is a lot different then coaching from the sidelines, conducting practices, drawing up schemes, etc. I would love to see Brooks involved with FSU somehow because he is a great leader, but we need skilled, proven coaches right now.

by Squaaad Up!! on Nov 6, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Cameron's Song

While Bobby stayed in Tally-land,
let my,
Jim-bo,
gooooooooooooooooooo.

by KY_Garnet_n_Gold on Nov 5, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

What are the odds

that we can lock down Korey Mangum for our DB’s coach?

by DamonH on Nov 5, 2009 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Everyone talks about Smart's recruiting ability, and that is clearly justified.

But Sunseri can recruit like hell too. Especially the Carolinas, Virginia, ect. He has pulled some freakin’ studs for Bama out of those areas this year. Great recruiter.

by FSUSOM on Nov 5, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

I just hope Bobby

doesn’t say “I know what the problem is and I’m going to fix it.”

by POCONOLE on Nov 5, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

ok so if we keep Odell will he get the full d-line because having a DE and DT coach is just dumb

by Fredric on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

I would assume we would

I will defer to the recruiting guys on that one but I don’t think it would be a huge blow to our recruiting class.

by RaysnNoles on Nov 6, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

SWFLA says....

Odell will most likely be retained and that seems to be the word going around lately.

by Noletorious on Nov 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If we do indeed switch to a 3-4

if would make a lot of sense for Odell to take the entire line as in Bama’s version (similar to how Pittsburgh Steelers play it now in the NFL) of the 3-4, all 3 DL play a variation of a DT not like the NY Giants 1980s version of the 3-4 where 1 DL (Leonard Marshall) played more like a DE (i.e. could be a 4-3 DE) and the other DE (George Martin) was more like a DT along with a traditional NT.

by RishiM on Nov 7, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Competition for Smart?

Odds are, UGA will be looking for a new DC after this season and they will probably have Smart on their list. Would he choose the home state school over FSU?

by 85Nole on Nov 5, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Someone already answered this

The answer is no b/c he doesn’t get along with Richt.

by NoleLaw on Nov 5, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Smart and Richt did get along

Although Richt’s religious good attitude can rub some people wrong Smart and Richt never had problems. His reason for leaving Georgia actually is a bit complicated, but breaks down like this….Smart coached with Saban at LSU until Saban bolted for the Dolphins. Smart went to Georgia for a year, but hated being a offensive coach. He was the running backs coach at Georgia and jumped at the chance to join his former coach, Saban at Miami and get back to defensive coaching. When Saban left Miami he took Smart with him naming him asst. coach first until promoting him again. I think Smart would love to get out from under Saban’s shadow, but I’m not sure how intriguing a job at FSU would be, especially with a DC position opening up at his former alma mater. Either move whether it be Georgia or FSU would be a lateral move although he might make more money. A head coach position is also in his future for sure. I think our chance of getting him is 50%. I think it goes up if we can do some kind of package deal with him and Sunseiri. Coaches are very clique-ish and like to work with people they know. Saban of course is going to do anything to protect his staff and definitely has heard the rumblings.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he's from Bainbridge

and went to school with Mike Bobo, Georgia’s current offensive coordinator.

by 1newplayer on Nov 5, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He might`

Richt is notoriously loyal to his assistants. I’m hoping though that FSUncensored is right and we have a shot at Smart. Only time will tell and only Kirby knows the answer.

by 1newplayer on Nov 6, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Rodney Garner....

he’s also their ace recruiter and could risk losing him to another team if he’s not promoted to DC according to some.

by Noletorious on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah this is what scares me about Smart

We know he is in line for a head coaching position and landing Georgia would be a dream job for him. I think he also can see the writing on the wall for Richt. Honestly I think he goes to a smaller school first for a head coaching position, but you never know.

by 1newplayer on Nov 6, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Dream: Kirby comes here as does Diaz at LB coach

And Diaz is groomed to be the next DC when Kirby leaves in a couple of years

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 6, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case

Then why would Smart want to go to GA to help Richt keep his job. No matter what kinds job Smart does at FSU, the defense is ure to improve and Smart will gain all the credit, setting himself up to be HC at GA when Richt gets canned. If Smart is smart, then it would seem to be a much better 3-yr plan for him to come to FSU.

by NoleLaw on Nov 6, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting theory

Might be cutting off his nose to spite his face if he heads to GA. We’ll have to see how it plays out.

by 1newplayer on Nov 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He got his masters from FSU. So he has FSU ties.

by mhauer on Nov 6, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Cone on Mark Richt

keep Willie Martinez at DC one more year!

by nolestuff on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

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