Florida State Seminole's Quarterback Christian Ponder Done For The Year
by Bud Elliott on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM EST
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Our sources inform us that Florida State Quarterback Christian Ponder is done for the year. He apparently played in last night's Clemson game with multiple broken ribs, which clearly affected his throwing. After making a tackle on Clemson's Deandre McDaniel, Ponder suffered a Level 3 Shoulder Separation. Our resident physician detailed shoulder separations here. Read that link for an explanation on shoulder separations, but here's a tidbit on grade 3 separations:
Grade III: The AC and Coracoclavicular ligaments are both torn. The end of the clavicle is raised 5mm.
In general, Grade III and higher separations require surgery. Depending on the type of individual, some Grade III injuries may be managed medically. Surgery typically involves an open procedure (meaning not arthroscopic) to repair the damaged ligaments and structures. This can either be done with various devices screwed across the joint. Patients will remain in a sling for approximately 2 weeks, after which rehab will begin. If a non-absorbent screw is used, it will be removed 6 weeks after the original surgery.
Ponder was having a great season. He ends the year as the ACC's top rated passer. Ponder was considered a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice, however this injury means he will definitely return for his senior season.
As for Florida State's bowl hopes, they are in serious jeopardy. Florida State will start redshirt freshman E.J. Manuel, one of the top quarterback recruits in the 2008 class. Florida State plays at Wake Forest this weekend, before returning home for Maryland and then ending the season in the Swamp against the Florida Gators.
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Injury sounds serious
what is the long-term prognosis? will he ever be the same? just thinking worst-case scenario here…
Should be ok
I would imagine with proper rehab he should be fine long term. In that sense its good the season is lost and almost over, that was he doesn’t try to come back. I’m not a doctor, but I do play one on the interwebs.
If it is a sever Grade 3 he may not throw consistantly for 4 months.
That would cause him to miss most of spring practice if not all of it.
Question: Is it more important for a player to practice during the spring or during the summer?
I can’t imagine it’s going to much matter for Ponder. That’s not saying that he couldn’t benefit from them but Ponder has a very good understanding of what Fisher is trying to accomplish. We will also have most of the same WRs coming back next year so he doesn’t really need to develop a report with them.
I would guess he wouldn’t get as many of the reps this year as years past. EJ and Secord might have been the main two rep hoggers in practice anyways but they certainly will be now. I don’t think FSU gets hurt by this all that much after this year.
Yes, but hopefiully this is Coley's offense next year.
We would like for them to get comfortable with each other. It might be basically the same offense, but Coley might have a different pattern of how he plays calls, and likes to set things up…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
It wouldn't surprise me at all if despite Coley being named offensive coordinator
if Fisher still kept the play calling responsibilities for himself.
Tools Whore
This is horrible for Ponder
That’s first and foremost. However, I have to believe this will cement the removal of Bowden after we finish 5-7, and miss a bowl. 4-8 isn’t out of the question with our D.
You know it’s a shame, Ponder was having one of the greatest seasons by an fsu QB in almost a decade and yet he will go down as the qb of one the worst teams in the Bobby Bowden era.
by zachhoop27 on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
depending on what kind of rebound our defense can take, he may have redemption next year.
granted it will hopefully not be part of the Bowden era.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
sucks
gotta really feel for Ponder. He has been one of the few bright points this year. Looking on the bright side though EJ will get some much needed reps.
p.s.
Ponder should get some much needed rest and come in next year with some serious hype. He’s a first round pick and Heisman contender for sure in 2010 although his shoulder will be scrutinized. Glad FSUncensored came to his senses and realized Ponder is only a second or third round pick this year.
What's the prognosis?
I’ll take 4-8 in exchange for a healthy Ponder in 2010.
Lots
Eli Manning, Brian Griese, Alex Smith(who after separating it broke it), Tim Rattay, Dennis Dixon, Brett Favre….etc. All of course were varying degrees. It is a common qb injury and Sam Bradford from Oklahoma went down with one this year. It all depends on how extensive the damage is.
Because...
he and Jimbo know the only way to win games is to score a ton of points since the defense sucks.
Get well CP7
EJ, get ready to go out there and do your best, good luck.
I think we could lose the remainder of our games, goes to show just how much faith I have in our defense.
by CSI Nole on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just think how depressing this would be if we were having GOOD year
OTOH, I’m getting pumped to see to what EJ can do.
Ponder keeps getting beat up.
Last year it was his back. This year it’s knee, ribs, and now shoulder. Is it lack of durability or is he just getting in positions where he’s susceptible to punishment too often?
Definitely not lack of Durability
more like a symptom of playing QB with the mentality of a linebacker, or having what I like to call Brett Favre Syndrome.
Either of which I am okay with because it shows your a competitor and more importantly, a winner.
by freshcollegeboy on Nov 8, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Our bowl hopes were in serious jeopardy regardless
Even if Ponder weren’t injured, we’d have had to win 2 straight (because no matter what we’re just not beating Florida) against FBS competition, something we’ve done ONCE all season.
I think Manuel will be fine but our only realistically winnable game is the Maryland game now. Without a strong defense he just doesn’t have the experience to beat decent to good teams on the road in Wake and Florida.
I for one just want to get this season over with so Bobby and his goons can leave, Im ready for the Jimbo era asap
1 +ve about seeing what EJ can do
is that all O recruits will get to see him at his worst. Things will only get better from here for EJ.
How is that a +ve you ask? I’m fairly confident that our O won’t fall off the face of the planet w/o Ponder. Will we be as effective and dynamic? No, especially since Ponder was responsible for the checks the O did at the line. I do feel recruits will like what they see in EJ and will want to play with him come 2011 and 2012, in addition to Ponder in 2010.
Just trying to find something good out of the bad.
Well this is a good bad thing the way I see it.
We are ment to have a crap season this year because the Def. woes. Ponder and the offense did a great job and held us together giving us hope. Now we cn see EJ get some snaps and get some EXP for when his time to shine will be. Also I think we are going to see the Offense change almost over night. EJ will have to run the offense dif, because his style.
Get well soon CP7 and thank you for all your hard work.
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This builds our quality depth as QB for next year. I hope it doesn't lead to a 2 QB system though.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
I think most would be shocked if it did. The only way we have a 2 QB system is if EJ comes in late in games that are blow outs. While we haven’t seen much of EJ I don’t see much that he can do that Ponder can’t from a physical stand point and vice-versa. That doesn’t mean the offense will look different with EJ in there but rather we won’t go crazy like run the triple option or anything like that. It’ll probably just be a more vanilla more run oriented offense.
Season is over anyways
It’s a good thing for EJ because he definitely could use more game experience so he is better prepared for the future. I look forward to seeing what he can do, wake is a beatable team and so is Maryland, we won’t even talk about florida but wake and maryland are very winnable games even without ponder. Jermaine Thomas is running well so that should help ej out a little, if we have another good game running the football then that should take a little pressure off EJ when it comes to throwing the ball. I feel for Ponder though, I hope the surgery goes well.
Thanks for a great season CP!
It sounds like he will make a full recovery, which is good.
sad for both QBs
This stinks for Ponder who was having a great year, and now EJ has to be thrown into the fire with the pressure of helping salvage the season on his shoulders. I am confident the running game will step up to help him, but the defense will not.
CP should not have been playing with cracked ribs,
I wonder if the team knew or was he keeping it a secret?
Of course they knew
Our entire season came down to this Clemson game; when, and you stand the chance of actually making the ACC title game. It was a risk Jimbo and Co. needed to take. And Ponder knew it, too.
Agree 100%
Everyone had said bruised ribs. That’s OK. But multiple broken ribs? McNabb sat 3-4 weeks with broken ribs earlier this year. But we play Ponder b/c we have a 5% chance of winning the Atlantic division? I don’t agree with this. It was pretty apparent he couldn’t make all the throws that were required of him. A lot of air under this throws all night. Granted there were some good throws mixed in (the Pryor TD, and the other pass that was perfectly thrown just over the fingertips of the LB).
Now Ponder injures his shoulder, out for the year, and who knows about next year? Depending on the severity, he could miss spring practice and who knows how he will look after that? It is his right shoulder after all, the one thing right-handed QB needs to be healthy. Someone listed QBs who have come back from this injury, but its like when RBs hurt their knee…you never really know if they’ll be 100% again. I’m just a little scared.
Bottom line, the season was already lost. Going into the game, I didn’t think we would have beaten Clemson anyway, even with Ponder at 100%. Trying to get to 6-6 to get a low-tier bowl and save Bowden from a losing season is no reason to risk a serious injury to your star player. The ribs would have been healed by next year no question, but now next year may be up in the air for Ponder…
I dont think..
he will miss any of the spring practices or any after. His injury needs surgery sure, but there was no damage to his rotatory cuff. Rotatory cuff damage is the more severe injury that ends careers (most often seen in baseball pitchers and older aged QBs). Ponders injury, while painful, isnt that severe and he should be back to full health in 2 months considering his youth, health and physical build. He will be ok…Im pretty positive on that.
What about plan C?
Who’s the 2nd stringer on Saturday? Does Secord toss away the redshirt if something happens to EJ?
With the addition of Trickett at QB next year
I think so, or you could throw in the walk-on and save the RS, but I don’t see Secord getting major playing time in his entire FSU career.
Backup plan #2: Bert reed played QB in high school!
by freshcollegeboy on Nov 8, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Taiwan Easterling
According to AC he has a rocket arm. BB mentioned in his post game interview that they would probably go to walk-ons to save Secord’s redshirt. Then again what does BB know?
Got a scholarship offer from USF, but chose to walk-on at USF...
I hear he wants to transfer to U of Penn after this year.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Please no Secord
Kid has terrible mechanics and there is no way they have been sorted out this quickly.
Why
didnt Jimbo sit him when he knew he had broken ribs and after his 2nd or 3rd interception?
I wonder what our team is going to do during the Holidays w/o a bowl to prepare for
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
Even though losing Ponder means we probably won't make a bowl game
I’m still excited to see EJ in action.
there is an actual silver lining here
With our crappy D – the season was a bust anyway. Also, because our D sucks so bad – we never had / have an opportunity to get EJ into games (even when we score 40+) for much needed actual game experience.
This injury to Ponder forces that issue and in the long term, that will benefit FSU.
by OGN on Nov 9, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Well this obviously isn't good news
Thanks Ponder for putting together a nice little season. Sorry the team couldn’t help you out in any way.
It’s also a bit sobering becuase at least we couldve put some points up against UF with Ponder. I suppose the eternal optimists will say at least we get to see EJ in some meaningful playing time to see what he can do and help him learn.
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CP7
God Bless Ya CP7 you have been the light in the darkness of this season my friend. You were a student of the game. Having grown right before my eyes…..take this time my friend to regroup heal and come back next year better than before. I look forward to seeing you make your run at the Heisman next season. I know you will be a mentor to EJ and help him prepare to get us to a bowl game and salvage something this year for all your hard work. Keep it 3rd and Manageable
VIC VANBUREN IV
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions
As we learned this year, the Heisman watch list is put together in June(?) and if you are not on the watch list you have no chance of winning the HT.
With the total lack of respect (deservedly so) shown to FSU by the “educated members of the media,” I’m wondering out loud if this injury significantly reduces Ponder’s chances of being on the watch list.
You would think these “educated” Heisman voters would recognize that Ponder has the tools and with a full recovery should be one of the nations leaders again next year.
So I guess to answer my own question, yes, he will be on the Heisman watch list.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
BB Charade
So what is the deal with BB’s running commentary that alludes to his return in 2010? FSUncensored, is his departure still a done deal or what? Could he really be in this much denial? Will announcement me made of his LAST HOME GAME against Maryland? This not knowing is driving me nuts.
wac
He should be..
his after game comments was just as pitiful as our defensive play this season. He didnt even know what the score was in what quarters, much less who made and who didnt make plays..etc. I think the mans Alzheimer’s disease progressed by 10 fold this season alone. He was just completely lost in the wilderness in the interview.
Why does BB feel it necessary......
To murder this program? His lack of announcement is KILLING this recruiting class! It’s amazing how his desire to be remembered as the best is what will cause many fans to hold him in a negative light. Doesn’t he want to see this program he & Mickey built succeed after he’s gone?WTF? We shouldn’t worry as much about this season( it’s a wash!) We should focus on the future.
Hes a BIG part of it.......
But there are also many other big, medium and small parts that are’nt getting their just dues. Many other parts that perform their function efficiently, thanklessly. They still get laughed at w/ the parts that are beyond repair. Can we please get some new “parts”?
I know........
And still my blood boils for the same reasons yours does. Is this Circus ever going to end?
P.S. Unfortunately this season has put no limits on when the blood temp rises. I know i should probably take it easy………… It just doesn’t seem like all is well w/ the universe when the Noles are struggling this much. Luckily, im in my early 30’s and therefore only at mild risk of heart attack .
I actually
attribute most of our success to people like Mickey, Wayne McDuffie, Jim Gladden, and Ronnie Cottrell.
He doesn’t see it that way. I’m just guessing here but I think he sees this as the same as it was in West VA. He was run out of town there and ended up winning over 300 games. Surely he can turn this ship around. I’m not saying there is logic behind that but I believe that’s his line of thought, not that he’s destroying what he built. The death thing obviously has a lot to do with it also.
Oh God
What did he say THIS time?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
by JMB on Nov 9, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
God damn it, Bobby
Just go home
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
I've heard BB mention the"Death thing" many times.
Eluding to the “Bear” From what I understand, Paul Bryant knew he was sick before he retired. So its not like he retired & died from lack of direction or drive. Besides, Mickey hit the nail on the head when he said something to the effect of time being so valuable. Bobby has lots of kids & grandkids he could be spending time with. I dont understand.
His father also died shortly after retiring, but I think retirement boredom has more to do with it than death or money. But what do I know.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
OK
That makes sense, still, he must’ve been in better health in 99’ I’m guessing your 70’s are less kind than your 60’s
Then he has made some piss poor decisions with money...
He lost less than 1 years salary with his son’s financial scandal. I don’t see how he could be that broke. He still lives in the same place he’s lived for 30 years I believe.
I know he’s probably supporting all the kids as the “last Bowden standing”, but still…
What could he need $ for?
Well be ultra conservative here & say he averaged .4 mil a year for what 50 years?
How did it come to this?
If he retires 9-10 years ago,he’s held in the highest regard. Now i think its just a matter of accepting the good w/ the bad.
isn't worrying about both instant death and money kinda dumb
if you die quickly you cant spend the money anyways.
He can write a book, do lecture tours, and do some sports commentary to get by.
He should just sell out and live on less.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
Ponder going to be at the press conference today?
I’d be interested to hear what he says about that hit. I give him a ton of respect for it, but I think it wasn’t a wise choice. I also agree he had no business playing in this game with cracked ribs.
Jimbo Postgame
Also was interesting that Jimbo kept saying he shouldn’t have put Ponder in the position to have to make those throws. Kind of puts the perspective on that.
We’ll see what EJ does, which should be fun.
Not looking forward to throwing EJ to the wolves in Gainesville, though
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
by JMB on Nov 9, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm strangely glad.
Not for the players, but for the coaches who stayed too long to be branded as the staff who ruined the winning season streak. Let it be obvious to all coaches everywhere what happens when you don’t know when to let go.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
And so here comes
the first losing season. I hope it isn’t so, but I just don’t see how FSU will avoid it. Never thought I’d see this in my life time.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions
Turning point
I could be wrong, but it seems to me the turning point in this game was when Bert mishandled the reverse for a loss. Brought us to 2nd and 24 with just seconds left in the 3rd Qtr. We make no attempt to get the the 1st down, and just burn the 3rd down on a running play to finish the qtr. We are forced to punt after not picking up the first.
I know Ponder was extremely successful on 3rd down conversions, and maybe Jimbo was that confident that we would pick it up. I just don’t like the philosopy of burning a down, even with 1 second left.
But to stay on topic here...there was something clearly wrong with Ponder's throws.
I just wish his 4(or 5) interceptions didn’t come in a Nationally televised game that was one of the marquee games on the night.
I was able to find joy in all of Clemson’s missed PAT and field goals, and then when they rushed the field??? come on clemson, act like you’ve been there before.
Personally I think the Turning point was when we were up 24-21 and it was
4th and 4 with 9:30 minutes (I can’t remember I will have to double check). We didn’t go for it and I think we should have. If we went for it we could have taken more time off the clock or maybe even scored a TD. If we scored a TD on that drive there was a high possibility we win the game.
That may be the case, I just don't think we executed from the point I listed earlier forward...
but I’m going strictly on memory too.
I'd also like to point this out:
I haven’t been reading any blogs other than this one, but my guess is that I would see the usual, “the defense did enough to win this game”…“this loss is on the offense”, etc…
Yes, the turnovers we had in this game hurt, but we wouldn’t have even been in the position for it to be this close if it weren’t for clemson’s kicking woe’s.
I think they left 9-10pt on the field by missing PAT and field goals.
A couple things:
Before I comment, let me make it LOUD and CLEAR that I know our D is to blame this year, not the O!
1) Anytime an Offense has 5 TO’s, they have culpability in the loss. Regardless of how much we like the Offensive side of the ball better than the Defensive side, they still had 5 TO’s. CP is a flat-out WARRIOR (which actually scares me because his body cannot keep up with his Heart. He is the Cadillac Williams of QB’s.) However, CP threw 4 INT’s. That is REALLY hard for any team to overcome, much less the worst f-ing Defense I have ever seen.
2) I swear, I thought Saturday night was like reading one of FSUn’s write-ups on a Spring Practice. How many times did he say/did we read that there would be a 70 yard run or pass for a TD, then a J-Rob pick 6, followed by a 65 yard run/pass for a TD in 3 successive plays? Every weekend I watch this Defense I cannot believe what I am seeing. Oh, and did anyone else get the feeling that Spiller was patronizing us? I do not think ill of him for this, he really likes FSU and was really close to signing with us. However, it seems as if he felt bad for being so superior to us. That pissed me the F off, and I wanted someone to knock the s**t out of him, but, of course, we couldn’t catch him!
by HROB3 on Nov 9, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree on the turnovers
Both Offenses played pretty sloppy. I was just stating that in the 4 Qtr when we were up by 3, clemson had already missed a couple extra points and 2 field goals.
I’ve noticed a couple times before (not just against Clemson) on second or third and very long, Jimbo has thrown in the towel and called runs up the middle.
My memory is foggy, but didn’t Christian do very well passing in those situations last year?
That's not a Jimbo thing
that’s a football thing.
Watch any game (in either College or NFL) when it is 2nd and long and I’d say something like 75% of the time the teams will run the ball. I just threw a number out there, but whatever the actual number is I’m very confident it is well above 50%.
Get well Ponder, and go get'em EJ.
I’m hoping for a nice showing from EJ. He’s been getting the same coaching as Ponder for nearly 2 years.
He was a top recruit… It’s time for one of ourFreshmen to step up. It seems that our players always require that extra time for devolpment, while other true freshmen seem to have big games (see Matt Barkley vs Ohio State). Let’s hope that EJ can pull out the W on 2 of the next 3.
I know, I know, our D will more than likely sabotage his efforts.
Other teams have depth and breadth. The pressure is taken off of those players because of the fact that they are expected to do less. Greg Reid is a great example of that this year, although it only partically supports my point. He has just been asked to learn a couple of plays very well and has been able to capitalize on them. He hasn’t had to learn the whole play book.
So where are we going to start
EJ is prob not going to jump right in and make it happen. Hes going to need to make basic checks. I think we will see slant and/or bubbles. More 2RB formation for extra protection and options. I think hes going to option almost everything. If he goes in and gets his feet wet with short I think he will be ok for the rest of the year.
back to formations. I think we will see more like last years offense when ponder was running zone reads and bubbles no long passes. The TE will be taken out of passing for the most part and stay in and block more.
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I agree, keep it simple
It is going to be a rough for him and I just don’t see how some people think EJ will be effective right away. You can talk about all his intangibles, how he looks in practice and his knowledge of the playbook but when it comes down to it he is VERY inexperienced.
He will get the reps needed to make him great in the future but I am expecting a serious drop off in our offensive production for the rest of the year.
Seriously?
We will be preparing him (Secord) hoping he won’t have to play. If worst came to worst? We -have several other walk-ons, I am speaking out of turn right now because Jimbo could fill you in better since he coaches our quarterbacks. He might have a walk on over there because we have about six of them out there that he prefers to bring along in case. You don’t want to take a chance on burning Secord. You would need to ask him that question.
It is good to see that your HC is really in tune with the makeup of your team. Will all of the BB supporters please come to his aid and justify this.
BB hasn't had a handle on this team for a few years now
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Seriously, Bobby. Go Away.
by JMB on Nov 9, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Just listened to a portion of the press conference
Ponder is officially out for this year. He said he’s having MRI today and most likely surgery in a couple of weeks. With rehab he should be back throwing around spring ball.
I know they said he would be ready by spring but,
since it is his dominant side, he is going to have more strength issues to deal with. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were not 90% until summer. This is worrisome since he is at the stage were he can throw the timing routs in small windows, and it would be nice to have a coach coordinate that during the spring.
However, since Ponder is a smart guy can he coordinate that himself during the summer or is it going to hurt not having Jimbo around to oversee and correct things?
A tough kid and good player
I can’t reconcile the fact that he plays for the ‘Noles, and as a result I wish him to lose every game in which he plays. That said, he sure seems like a tough kid, a no-nonsense competitor and a very good player. It’s never fun to see one of those guys go down. My condolences on his loss, but he’ll come back better and stronger, I’m sure. I’m sorry we won’t get the chance to compete against him this year.
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Thanks
And rest assured I and many others feel the same about Tebow, we want you to lose at all costs but you have to respect what a great player he is.
not really.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
Go EJ, Go Noles!
The 19-year-old Manuel was offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher’s prized recruit in his initial recruiting class at Florida State.
(from rivals.com)
speaking of QB's
Check this out. This guy thinks that Joe Mauer is the single biggest recruiting miss by FSU ever.
http://rubechat.kfan.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=24&p=1290606
Sorry about that, here you go.
e: Reasons why FSU isn’t good any more
by IronHorse on Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:27 am
extrapolate wrote:
IronHorse wrote:
The Tudds wrote:
Does anyone else think FSU success has hinged on having a good QB. Charlie Ward, Chris Wienke, even Thad Bugsby, to a lesser extent, all help guide FSU through their hay days of the ’90s. Chris Rix never lived up to the potential he flashed. Adrian McPherson had the tools, but was nothing, but trouble. Weatherford only looked good because he got to replace Rix and there are a few others in recent years that Bowden has trotted out there that showed they were not D1 caliber QBs.
Really the strange part is this whole FSU downfall and lack of a big time QB started in 2000 when FSU signed Joe Mauer who was going to fill right in for Wienke and FSU’s success would continue into the next decade. Instead Mauer plays baseball (how did that work out for him?) and FSU is stuck starting Chris Rix, on and off again for the next 4 years. Thus the plummet to mediocrity begins.
Bingo – for the entire decade of the 1990’s, Florida State had no real problems under center – which is why they finished in the top 5 every year that decade. Ever since Chris Weinke graduated, they’ve had nothing but trouble under center. Mauer would have been a phenom at Florida State, continuing the great quarterback tradition and, in all likelihood, would have led FSU to numerous top 5 finishes.
Mauer playing baseball was the biggest single recruiting loss in the last 10 years at FSU.
Maybe the best reason to love Joe Mauer. I mean, Central Division Champions, batting titles, MVP……all good things.
Sticking it to FSU is awesome.
This is the only reason I dislike Joe Mauer. His decision to play baseball has caused my favorite team almost a decade of bad quarterback play.
Your sports takes are pretty much always solid, no matter which sport you’re talking about. That, sir, takes talent. -jab_904
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What's worse?
Someone like the dude above going on a rant giving inadequate/inaccurate explanations of why the Program is in the shitter, or the number of folks that potentially read that, think he has a point, and are now telling their buddies that Joe Mauer is the reason FSU scores 44 points at home against Ga Tech in 2009 and loses? You know the saying, “Don’t shoot the messenger”? That does not apply here. Fire away.
Well it's not the most outrageous statement I've seen on a message board
It’s certainly not accurate, but it’s less damaging than the “Bobby should be allowed to stay for as long as he likes” mentality.
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I'm not sure he's just ignorant or just plain silly
but I gave him the link here to get educated. Me and him haven’t hit it off well but maybe he’ll get over his hubris learn something here. This site has made me a much better FSU fan.
I agree
With everything said (not that other garbage posted by the idiot) regarding EJ.
If you guys are expecting ( think most of you are not…since you guys seem smart enough ) EJ to come in and run things exactly like CP, then you are mistaken. However, I do think that he will pleasantly surprise us with his abilities.
Also, I know that the playbook will be augmented, but from what I read into what Jimbo says, EJ is just as capable as CP, and it’s all about what he’s comfortable with. If he’s feeling it, we very well may see the same things we’ve been seeing.
Also, JT is running the ball exponentially better than he was at the beginning of the year. I EXPECT the O-Line and him to have a big game. They need to step up for their team, and this is the opportunity in which to do it.
Anyways, VERY excited about seeing EJ. I think it will help in the long run.
I don't see it that way
I think defenses will stack the run and make unproven EJ beat them with his arm. As I said earlier you can talk about all his intangibles, how he looks in practice and his knowledge of the playbook but when it comes down to it he is VERY inexperienced.
He will have growing pains and at times show what a great athlete he is and star he will be in the future, but as for this year I expect our offense to struggle.
Yep. 8 in the box all day.
What people aren’t realizing is the level at which our offense has had to play to even keep us in games. Does anybody actually think a freshman can step in and conduct a top 10 offense to maximum output? Especially when he won’t have the help from the running game people are expecting.
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