Florida State's December Could Help for Years to Come
[Multiple Tomahawk Nation authors contributed to this article]
[Lunch Update: FSU is close to landing DT Kenneth Kirksey from Daytona Beach. Kirksey is 6'1" 290 and well put together (not obese). The 'Noles most desperate need is defensive line and while Kirksey isn't a stud at this point, he is another badly needed body.]
Many thought it could be disastrous. What would happen if Bowden retired? What would the media's reaction be? How would recruits handle the news. As it turned out, Bowden's retirement kicked off what has to be Florida State's best week of the decade.
Most of the national media didn't rip Florida State for its handling of Bowden's "retirement." Thanks to Tiger Woods, Notre Dame, and ESPN's relationship with the SEC, it didn't anywhere near the coverage that many expected it to receive. Of particular importance for FSU was winning over the ESPN TV crew of Fowler, Kirk Herbstreit, Jessie Palmer, and Brent Musberger. Those four are the most important as they are the most frequently seen college football commentators. They make the public's opinion.
It's very difficult for a college football team to make news during this dead period unless they are playing for their conference championship game or making the other kind of news (Rocky Top anyone?). Florida State though, has managed to make a ton of positive news in the week since Bowden's retirement. They made news with a Gator Bowl invite despite a 6-6 record, a fitting bowl tribute to Bowden's legacy. 'Nole fans sold out the game in two hours. The 'Noles have been going to bowl games for longer than my parents have been out of college (FSU Alums as well). But the main news has come in the land of recruiting.
The national media is a great tool to tell how outsiders view your team. Local media gives a better feel for what is really going on, but sometimes they get too close. This time, however, the local guys nailed it- at least when it comes to recruiting. While some casual college football columnists outside of the Sunshine State wondered if Florida State could recruit without Bobby Bowden, those who cover the team knew better. Not only did Bowden's retirement not slow down Florida State's recruiting efforts- ranked 37th as the time of the announcement, it ignited them. A week later, Florida State sits at 9th (14th in another ranking). Think about that. What if a college football team went from 37th to 9th in the polls in only a week? That would be unheard of. Perhaps the closest thing we've seen recently was Alabama's romp over Clemson in last season's opening game, after which the Tide went from unranked to a spot just outside the top 10. So what caused the jump from 37th to 9th? How did a team go from potential disaster to being a stone-cold lock to end up with one of the handful of elite groups of recruits in just a week? Ask an expert:
The Seminoles have 19 commitments, and the Hurricanes have 24, meaning FSU should breeze past the Hurricanes in the final standings.
"It's amazing how quickly momentum can change in recruiting," Newberg said. "I think the fact that there's finally closure with coach Bowden is really helping. There was such a black cloud over the university. Coach Fisher and his staff have worked really hard and stayed the course. They're just rocking and rolling right now." "They are the hottest team in the country."
It seems that the work done by Jimbo Fisher, James Coley, Lawrence Dawsey, O'Dell Haggins, and Rick Trickett (the 5 coaches who will remain on Florida State's staff under Fisher) was being outdone by the 'Noles competition, simply by telling recruits that they would be stuck playing for Bowden, that he wouldn't retire, or that Fisher would leave. But he finally did the right thing and retired. Recruits stated that they never saw Bowden and that his retirement was actually a plus for the program. Most viewed Fisher as the coach anyhow. The retirement took away the biggest weapon of opposing coaches in the game of recruiting. Florida State was like that pretty girl in a nice ride who kept trying to accelerate but didn't realize she had her parking brake on. Once it's disengaged- zooooooom. And her reaction to the burn-out is very similar to what Florida State fans are feeling like right now. After the "Lost Decade", many Florida State fans didn't realize the potential of their own program. Even the most optimistic FSU fan didn't see his team pulling the top two committed recruits in the country in a single week.
Yes, you read that correctly. As of this article, the top two commitments in the country belong to the 'Noles. A 6-6 team that plays in the ACC, has the top two commitments in the country and a top 10 class. That is a tribute to what Bowden built. No matter what went on during the Lost Decade, people will never be able to forget FSU's 14-year run of dominance from 1987-2001. Without those memories, recruits probably wouldn't come to Florida State. And FSU's top 10 class has only 19 commitments. The only other team in the top 10 with fewer than 20 commitments? The Florida Gators. The only other team to have two 5-star recruits? The Florida Gators. FSU won't catch UF this year, but the first step to putting the fear back in the spear undoubtedly is recruiting. With the ACC's worst defense in more than a half decade, the 'Noles need defensive help. It just so happens that those top two commitments line up on that side of the football.
First came Jeff Luc, the top rated linebacker in the country. His announcement shocked a lot of people, including one of his own coaches. Even those of us who had heard that FSU had a real shot to run him were a bit skeptical. Luc wants to lead Florida State back to the top, and grew up a fan of the Seminole dynasty. And you can bet that Luc was in the ear of another talented defender...
Two nights ago, Lamarcus Joyner, the top rated cornerback in the country, pulled the trigger and declared his recruiting over. Florida State had won. Not surprisingly, Joyner also grew up a big fan of the 'Noles- even though he grew up with with the Canes in his own backyard. These are the type of commitments that turns heads. Joyner declared Florida State "back", and his mentor quickly produced a youtube video as a tribute:
FSU also grabbed the top rated JUCO cornerback and pulled a nice haul of 2011 recruits in the days following the announcement. And not only did Joyner declare Florida State "back", but ESPN did as well. ESPN Radio's Sportscenter update routinely trumpeted the commitments. ESPN.com's recruiting section looked like this (click for picture).
As if losing one of the most legendary coaches of all time and proceeding to grab the two best commitments in the country wasn't a wild enough story, consider that Florida State did this with only 5 coaches actively recruiting! FSU is using only Jimbo Fisher, James Coley, Lawrence Dawsey, O'Dell Haggins, and Rick Trickett. Most fans probably didn't realize that college teams carry 11 coaches. FSU played 5 v. 11 and won in a huge way. Florida State is taking addition by subtraction to the max it seems. Bowden and the also-retiring and probably College Football Hall of Fame-bound defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews weren't much for recruiting in their final years, but the other three departing position coaches (Chuck Amato, Jody Allen, and Dexter Carter) weren't much for recruiting. Particularly disappointing was Amato, who landed a job as a head coach at NC State in the early part of the decade in no small thanks to his ability to recruit South Florida. In his return to Florida State he failed to pull a single full-time starter from South Florida, and managed to rub at least one program that we know of the wrong way. Fisher has picked up the slack. In a recent story, ESPN called FSU's run "Unprecedented", and got Fisher on the record:
On why the recruiting has picked up...
"The biggest thing is clarity now," Fisher said. "[Prospects] see the future of Florida State football is bright. I don't know if I expected any of this because young men are going to make their own decision when they feel comfortable in making it. But we had a good plan in place and we're going to continue to follow that plan and see what we can get done."
On learning from FSU's past mistake of having too national of a recruiting focus and alienating local high-school coaches...
"It's a funny thing that everybody wants us to recruit nationally, but everybody in the world comes down to Florida to recruit," Fisher said. "There is no question there is great talent in this state. There are great high school programs, great high school coaching and football is important here. That's not only in the whole state of Florida, but also over into South Georgia as well [Tallahassee is only 34 miles from Thomasville, Ga., and 89 miles from Valdosta, Ga., which are two big hotbeds for talent.]. I am not saying that we won't ever go any of those other places, but it makes all the sense in the world for us to take care of the kids in our home area." "Recruiting is work, evaluation and relationships,"
While he didn't mention it specifically, there is no denying it: Florida State thinks it can take Miami from UM. It's considered an impossible task, to be the king in another's land. But if FSU is to compete with UF on a consistent basis, they first need to knock out the 'Canes and raid UM's talent pool. And they sense weakness in the Canes. The state of Florida has more talent than any state in the country, but it doesn't have enough to support three great teams. FSU, UF, and Miami all cannot be great for sustained periods. It just does not happen. So taking out the easier target (and conference foe) first makes sense. Luckily for the 'Noles, they have James Coley. The fast-rising cult-figure doubles as FSU's tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator, and if you follow his twitter, seems to forgo sleep in favor of Cuban coffee and might violate FAA policy on cell-phone use during red-eye flights. He recently flew Tallahassee to Atlanta to Palm Beach to Los Angeles and back to Miami in a 24-hour period. Coley is the Cuban Conquistador in the 'Nole's battle to own the fertile recruiting grounds of Miami. He is relentless on the trail and fits the 305's culture perfectly. A scout from another recruiting site recently confided in me that Miami's coaches are scared of Coley and the other FSU coaches on the recruiting trail:
"Instead of being embarrassed by Coley and those guys, they just pull out early and make it appear as if they didn't want the kid. You can't lose if you don't play. But everyone in the country wanted those two. Heck, USC and Texas basically have an entire megastate to themselves and they would have loved either or Lamarcus of Jeff. If the 'Canes had Butch Davis or Jimmy Johnson or even (Dennis) Erickson, they would've fought tooth and nail for Luc and Joyner. And they probably would have won. But those guys aren't at Miami anymore. They get who they go after, but they rarely go after a kid they won't get."
Though Coley is probably the runaway favorite to win the recruiter of the year award given by Rivals.com, owning South Florida is an enormous task. He can't do it himself. But help is on the way in the form of FSU added former Tennessee and Auburn coach Eddie Gran, who recently agreed to join forces with Coley and become Florida State's running back's coach. Gran was Coley before Coley was Coley. With 10+ years of tremendous success forming relationships with coaches in South Florida, Gran knows how to operate in this battlefield. He is widely considered the South Florida best recruiter among coaches not located within the state. And now Fisher, who knows he must quickly improve FSU's talent level, has paired the Sunshine State's best South Florida recruiter with the only out-of-state coach who could consistently pull talent elite from Dade or Broward county. Gran is so good that a confident Tennessee program erected billboards announcing their intention to be a major player in South Florida recruiting. While it is extremely unlikely that a school in the Appalachian mountains could "own" recruiting in Dade or Broward county, Tennessee's bold actions are a testament to Gran's recruiting prowess. It doesn't hurt that Gran is also an excellent coach on the field, having produced the SEC's top rusher in 5 of the last 10 years, including Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Deuce McAllister, Rudi Johnson, and Montarrio Hardesty. Gran has coached 7 NFL backs and multiple NFL Pro Bowlers. The scout on Gran:
"Eddie's been around Miami since the early 90's and can walk into any high school program down here and command respect. I can count on one hand the guys who can do that, and now FSU has two of them. Every team in the country would kill for Coley or Gran, and Florida State has both of them. Aside from UM, FSU has lapped the field in terms of setting itself up to recruit Miami."
Of course, FSU can't take every kid from South Florida. It looks as if the 'Noles will take 28 kids this year, by asking some recruits to finish high school early and enroll right after Christmas, thus utilizing an unused spot from last year's class. If they do take 28, look for at least 18 of those kids to be on the defensive side. Fisher's offense is already loaded and his crew of Sophomores (6 starters) and freshmen turned was the ACC's best offense in a decade. Scholarships are also opening due to some medical issues. I there is a strong chance that Maurice Harris and Aaron Gresham will not return due to injury. Neither were considered likely to make a significant contribution. There may be a few other current players who will look to transfer because they don't want to put in the work that the new coaching regime will require. With some elite recruits still considering Florida State, and the scholarship numbers favoring FSU, there's a very good chance Fisher's first class at FSU could end up in the top 5.
It also doesn't hurt that as FSU is hitting its stride, other programs are losing key people. Tennessee is under investigation for allegedly sending escorts to players in other stated. And as Jeff Luc mentioned, the Gators have lost two of their best recruiters and coaches. Charlie Strong, arguably the best defensive coordinator in college football, and an excellent recruiter for the Gators, took the head coaching job at Louisville. UF also lost its recruiting coordinator/ wide receivers coach Billy Gonzalez- to rival LSU no less. Add the total curb-stomping at the hands of Alabama in the SEC Championship game, and Tim Tebow failing to receive even 10% of the Heisman vote, and for the first time in a half-decade, the Gators might wish they would trade places with the 'Noles.
While the speed at which this all came together is remarkable, it was also very important that FSU act quickly, as a "quiet period" is coming up for the college football recruiting. In a few days the staff will re-group, focus on the bowl game, and ride the wave of positive momentum until they can again hit the recruiting trail in early January, leading up to National Signing Day in early February.
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One year ago today the biggest news in recruiting was that Chuck Amato couldn't watch Phillip Thomas highlight video because he was just soooooooooooooooooo busy watching film on Wisconsin.
Take a look at us now.
In Bucky's defense, he's a huge target and you can't tackle him up high.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
That about says
it all doesn’t it? I can almost feel the energy coming back into the program as we sweep out the lazy, entitlement-minded placeholders. Hey Chucky don’t let the door hit you on the,,,,
Sounds like Christian Green will announce his intentions today.
We could really end this week in amazing fashion.
Where'd you hear that?
Hope it’s true because I want to get Green’s announcement out of the way. He has been our only “lock” that has made me nervous. DJJ didn’t. Joyner didn’t. Jones doesn’t.
Nole2005
Think he is referring to this article.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Green's announcement
Does anyone know what time he will announce today?
Go Noles!!
by AbeFroman21 on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
not happening today.
it’s been confirmed.
by Fire Machine on Dec 11, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Check the article again, it has been edited.
No announcement today
It's Polk...
but we do call it “Poke County” down here!!!
I know it is Polk County
I had a college buddy from the area & we called it Poke.
Go Noles!!
by AbeFroman21 on Dec 11, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
And I thought
I was the only one from Polk to go to college…
POLK COUNTY
the place where you come for vacation and leave on probation!!
by hntdeerliv4noles on Dec 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting.
So the Democrat hears Stoops isn’t the guy.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm actually relieved.
I may be wrong, but to me he just didn’t seem the caliber of change agent that we need.
I don't know if I believe that.
There haven’t been rumors of anyone else and Jimbo is expected to make the announcement this week or Monday.
What was Jeff Cameron's bit all about?
He said yesterday Jimbo had scheduled a press conference for Monday.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt the press conference is to name
a new DC…just my opinion
Could be several things...
Jimbo always has Monday press conferences during the season.
Jimbo doesn’t officially have a head coaching contract yet.
There's been rumors
of 7 or 8 guys. And I don’t remember anyone saying Jimbo will announce anything this week or Monday. Maybe a recruit mentioned it, but nobody officially…
that could be
but Stoops is the only to have been reported to officially interview. Not that an interview means anything.
I also saw this re: Saban wanted Stoops when Saban was coaching the Dolphins:
Quote:
According to our sources, Stoops has been given a rather lucrative offer to join the staff of the NFL’s Miami Dolphins. The offer, the terms of which are not known, is for Stoops to coach the Defensive Secondary for new Dolphins head coach Nick Saban.
Here's my take on comments from recruits like Mike Harris.
These recruits said Jimbo told them that they would have the DC in place by the end of this week. Now that doesn’t mean that the DC chosen would be announced publicly this week, but more than likely I would assume there would be a verbal agreement in place. The more I think about it, the recruits have to know who the DC is, why would they all start committing all of a sudden?
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
Any truth?
Can anyone confirm the announcement today? If so Ill be glued to my computer all day…
Would be surprised if he didn't
wait until tomorrow, but who knows!
omg omg omg omg omg omg
The following paragraph that i copied (since I dont know how to quote) along with this entire article. Guys, I dont know if its allowed to be this excited. Im ready to run through concrete walls if coley asks me to. Im in Miami…and ready to watch FSU take the south
GO NOLESSSSSSS!!
Yes, you read that correctly. As of this article, the top two commitments in the country belong to the ‘Noles. A 6-6 team that plays in the ACC, has the top two commitments in the country and a top 10 class. That right there is a tribute to what Bowden built. No matter what went on during the Lost Decade, people will never be able to forget FSU’s 14-year run of dominance from 1987-2001. And it is that memory that made And FSU’s top 10 class has only 19 commitments. The only other team in the top 10 with fewer than 20 commitments? The Florida Gators. The only other team to have two 5-star recruits? The Florida Gators. FSU won’t catch UF this year, but the first step to putting the fear back in the spear undoubtedly is recruiting. With the ACC’s worst defense in more than a half decade, the ’Noles need defensive help. It just so happens that those top two commitments line up on that side of the football.
Im just so damn giddy….I can feel it Seminole nation….I can feel it….
by Miaminole on Dec 11, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The "quote button" is the quotation mark directly bwelow the subject line.
Right next to the sS button.
Tools Whore
Can be tricky. Took me a little while to figure it out.
you first have to put what you want to quote in the comment box. Then highlight/selct the quoted text and hit the " button, which is 4th from the left. Hit “preview” instead of “post” to check to see if you’ve done it correctly.
just hit the quote button
then paste it beteween the blockquotes.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I am in your debt
then paste it between the blockquotes.
great recap of the recent events that have transpired
you guys are really doing an awsome job!
Great recap BTW guys
Based on the # of new names I have seen posting on this site, FSU fans have taken notice of the changes and are immediately buying into Jimbo Fisher. We had an article about the number of new boosters following the announcement of Bobby Bowden’s retirement and we have seen the Gator Bowl sell out for a 6-6 team. I haven’t seen this much interest in FSU football since 2000.. and even then I think that crowd (myself included) was especially spoiled.
This is a great site
I recently found this site and I am shocked at the detailed insight provided. This is great. Keep up the good work!
by nolesincebirth on Dec 11, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome to TN!
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
TN is the standard for FSU coverage on the Web
NI is getting a lot better, but I am constantly shaking my head about how ill-informed the WC posters are.
TN helps me see the entire picture, with clarity.
by FSUGrad99 on Dec 11, 2009 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ACC DOMINANCE?
With the recruits we are getting and the way our 2011 class is already shaping up. Hopefully we will be the dominant team in the ACC Atlantic everyone thought we should be. When is the ACC Championship coming to Charlotte?
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Dec 11, 2009 8:46 AM EST reply actions
Conference Champs
I feel we make the ACC championship game at the very least next year. Next season has the potential to be very special, the defense will only go upward and will take us far.
by Desert Renegade on Dec 11, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Easy big fellas
Remember, our defense can jump 50 spots in the rankings and still be mediocre. And even our top 2010 recruits will likely not be difference makers as freshmen — they’ll contribute but likely won’t affect the win-loss total.
I’m in TOTAL agreement that it’s a great time to be a Nole, but think it might be wise to hold off getting that Charlotte hotel room just yet.
Even with a mediocre defense we would likely have beaten UM, GT & BC
and maybe Clemson. That’s at least 9-3 and maybe 10-2
50 spots higher
equates to almost 100 yards less allowed per game. that’s huge.
we gave up 443.5 ypg at the 110 spot
60th team was colorado at 363 ypg
Even Teaxs with all it's vast resources has only made it to the MNC game a couple times in Brown's 12(?) years there now....
WOW
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Soft...
like Richt, Bowden, Brad Scott, Tommy Bowden, etc. Teams acquire the personality of their head coach, and they can sense if their head coach is OK with losing.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Completely unfair, IMO.
Pete Carroll’s teams have only played in 2 MNC games, wanna call him soft too?
That is what the grad student he is shacking up said.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes,
I was actually coming over her to post about the video, (watched it on another sight)
Thanks Genron.
One more thing
Great job on the recap. I can not believe that I just found this site this month. Oh well, better late than never. Now I will never get any work done.
No problem
Man you all dont know how happy LJ is about this decision. He’s happy it’s over. You know he’s been recruited for a 1 1/2 now and he felt it was time to end it. OSU dropped the ball and FSU recruited very well and closed awesome. I always loved Cooley and fisher. Now let’s pull in Elam and Jones. Green could be in as well. Oh yeah, Corey Miller is a lock. You heard it hear 1st
by genron187 on Dec 12, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hope you're right
Oh yeah, Corey Miller is a lock. You heard it hear 1st
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
I remember
hoping that FSU could land a top 25 class not too long ago. New guys are doin’ work.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Remember when Miller decommitted and Willis said no thanks?
That was about the same time we were sucking it hard on the field… Low Point.
Absolutely.
Never really hated Tennessee that much until that week either. Truly the best part of this football season will be the off season for FSU fans.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 11, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
bet they're wishing they didn't switch now...
then again, maybe they’re too busy with the “hostesses”
And maybe they'll switch back
Doubtful, but maybe. They seem like fair-weather kinda guys. When the breeze ..cough-hostess blows one way, they go thatta way. But now there’s a monsoon of top recruits raining in on Tally.
One of the ESPN articles mentioned that even guys “committed” to other schools might switch. Didn’t mention any names, but I think they were talking about Elam.
Well We are back in the recruiting field at least
Still has to show up on the field. Also have to get these kids into school. Also do we have an idea who can come in this spring.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Damn it feels good.
Eddie’s been around Miami since the early 90’s and can walk into any high school program in down here and command respect. I can count on one hand the guys who can do that, and now FSU has two of them.
Once we get back to fundamentals
defensively, we will be killing the ACC again. It’s been so frustarting losing to these ACC teams that had nowhere near the talent we did, but they had the better coaching. I think the 2011 season is when we’ll really see this team take off because they will have a year under their belt with the new defensive staff.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
Next year has potential too...
Imagine a mediocre defense coupled with our high octane offense with most everyone returning. I’m not saying we will def. make it to the ACCCG, but it is not unlikely either. But I agree, 2011 will be scary good.
Mediocre D
A mediocre defense and a healthy Ponder this year could’ve fairly easily resulted in 9-10 wins. Miami, Boston College, and Georgia Tech probably would’ve been wins. Very possibly Clemson, too.
Maybe South Florida, too, but the offense just wasn’t clicking that day. There were a few flukes and bad calls that hosed us, as well.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
We still had a chance to make it to the ACCCG late this season when we went to Clemsom
so next year when we actually field a defense we def. have a chance, but I won’t hold my breath. After all this still is FSU football, and since I have been a FSU fan (2001) my expectations have only led me to disappointment. No more counting my chickens before they hatch. The only thing I know for certain is that the program is finally taking the necessary steps to become relevant again, and that we can all be proud of.
Clemson losing Spiller and Ford should lead us to the ACCCG
Provided Ponder returns to pre-injury form and stays healthy.
THIS
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 11, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Even with Spiller and Ford we should beat that team down.
If we had even an inkling of a defense we would have won this year. Their offense is dysfunctional at a level not seen since JB. Dabo may be the most outrageously bad HC hire that I have ever seen, and him making the ACC championship sounded the death knell of Clemson football for at least another 5 years.
And EJs playtime has given the experience to help out a bit next year...
…should help Ponder stay a little healthier.
A great wrapup piece to the fast and furious news coming our way lately
To quote Notorious B.I.G. Florida State in the past few weeks has “went from ashy to classy”. There are still some questions out there concerning new hires but for the first time in a long time for me as a FSU fan I feel good in the overall direction his program is going. Hey Florida, Miami, and the rest of the ACC you better watch out because we are about to “get up in that a#@ like a wedgie.”
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
We are back...
I really like the direction that the school is moving in…we were a power in the late 80’s and in the 90’s and it won’t be long before we are a power again. I wonder who the DC is going to be as rumors swirl about Stoops and Sunseri. I’d love to see them both join up but that is highly unlikely. The good thing is that we are back to recruiting top notch kids who can help the program. I can definitely see Greg Reid and Joyner lined up in the secondary together along with Nick Moody and someone else. I’m really curious to know who will replace the coaches that will not be returning and who we’d hire top replace Trickett. I think 2010 is going to be a great year for us.
I thought it was a lock
That Coley was OC next year? Surely Jimbo won’t hold both titles? He could conceivably still call plays (a la Tressel) as the head coach and effectively be the OC, but personally never heard of having dual titles?
Best offenses in the country... have head coaches who are super involved... or call the plays themselves...
Brian Kelly- Concy
Paul Johnson- GTech
Harbaugh- Stanford
Petrino- Arkansas
Mike Leach- TTech
Chip Kelly- Oregon
Weiss- Notre Dame (great offense)
Kevin Sumlin (Houston)
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Florida's offense
was not that good this year, especially considering last year
by freshcollegeboy on Dec 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent summary
As always the major contributors at TN provide excellent articles. I’m so excited about this, too. Can’t wait to see what we do next. It’s especially nice since I haven’t felt this way in about 9 years.
True...
I don’t buy into the rumors too much. Recall Bowden himself even said that Jimbo Fisher was not going to be named offensive co-ordinator, then a week later Jimbo was hired. It’ll be an interesting offseason, looking forward to NSD!
Good write up
But are you sure there is not some mistake here? Ann said FSU needs them more than they need us!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
by DocHoliday2 on Dec 11, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Ann was right that we did need them. She just got the whole 'what we needed them to do' part wrong.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Since were talking recruiting
Bear Bryant Recruiting Story
Kinda heartwarming.
It Don’t Cost Nuthin’ to be Nice
At a Touchdown Club meeting many years before his death, Coach Paul “Bear”
Bryant told the following story:
I had just been named the new head coach at Alabama and was off in my
Old car down in South Alabama recruiting a prospect who was supposed to have
Been a pretty good player and I was havin’ trouble finding the place.
Getting hungry I spied an old cinder block building with a small sign out
front that simply said “Restaurant.”
I pull up, go in and every head in the place turns to stare at me.
Seems I’m the only white fella in the place. But the food smelled good – so
I skip a table and go up to a cement bar and sit. A big ole man in a tee
shirt and cap comes over and says, “What do you need?” I told him I needed
lunch and what did they have today? He says, “You probably won’t like it
here, today we’re having chitlins, collared greens and black eyed peas with
cornbread. I’ll bet you don’t even know what chitlins (small intestines of
Hogs prepared as food in the deep South) are, do you?” I looked him square
in the eye and said, “I’m from Arkansas, I’ve probably eaten a mile of them
Sounds like I’m in the right place.” They all smiled as he left to serve me
up a big plate. When he comes back he says, “You ain’t from around here
then?”
I explain I’m the new football coach up in Tuscaloosa at the University of
Alabama and I’m here to find whatever that boy’s name was and he says, yeah
I’ve heard of him, he’s supposed to be pretty good. And he gives me
directions to the school so I can meet him and his coach.
As I’m paying up to leave, I remember my manners and leave a tip,
not too big to be flashy, but a good one and he told me lunch was on him, but I
told him for a lunch that good, I felt I should pay.
The big man asked me if I had a photograph or something he could
hang up to show I’d been there. I was so new that I didn’t have any yet. It
really wasn’t that big a thing back then to be asked for, but I took a
napkin and wrote his name and address on it and told him I’d get him one.
I met the kid I was lookin’ for later that afternoon and I don’t remember his name, but do remember I didn’t think much of him when I met him – I had wasted a day, or so I thought.
When I got back to Tuscaloosa late that night, I took that napkin
from my shirt pocket and put it under my keys so I wouldn’t forget it. Back
then I was excited that anybody would want a picture of me. The next day we
found a picture and I wrote on it, "Thanks for the best lunch I’ve ever had.
Now let’s go a whole buncha years down the road. Now we have black
players at Alabama and I’m back down in that part of the country scouting an
offensive lineman we sure needed. Y’all remember, (and I forget the name,
but it’s not important to the story), well anyway, he’s got two friends
going to Auburn and he tells me he’s got his heart set on Auburn too, so I
leave empty handed and go on see some others while I’m down there..
Two days later, I’m in my office in Tuscaloosa and the phone rings
and it’s this kid who just turned me down, and he says, “Coach, do you still
want me at Alabama ?” And I said, “Yes I sure do.” And he says OK, he’ll
come. And I say, “Well son, what changed your mind?” And he said, "When my
grandpa found out that I had a chance to play for you and said no, he
pitched a fit and told me I wasn’t going nowhere but Alabama, and wasn’t
playing for nobody but you. He thinks a lot of you and has ever since y’all
met. "
Well, I didn’t know his granddad from Adam’s house cat so I asked
him who his granddaddy was and he said, “You probably don’t remember him,
but you ate in his restaurant your first year at Alabama and you sent him a
picture that he’s had hung in that place ever since. That picture’s his
pride and joy and he still tells everybody about the day that Bear Bryant
came in and had chitlins with him.”
“My grandpa said that when you left there, he never expected you to remember him or to send him that picture, but you kept your word to him and to Grandpa, that’s everything. He said you could teach me more than football and I had to play for a man like you, so I guess I’m going to.”
I was floored. But I learned that the lessons my Mama taught me
were always right. It don’t cost nuthin’ to be nice. It don’t cost nuthin’ to do
the right thing most of the time, and it costs a lot to lose your good name
by breakin’ your word to someone.
When I went back to sign that boy, I looked up his Grandpa and he’s
still running that place, but it looks a lot better now; and he didn’t have
chitlins that day, but he had some ribs that woulda made Dreamland proud and
I made sure I posed for a lot of pictures; and don’t think I didn’t leave
some new ones for him, too, along with a signed football.
I made it clear to all my assistants to keep this story and
Keep these lessons in mind when they’re out on the road. If you remember
anything else from me, remember this. It really doesn’t cost anything to be
nice, and the rewards can be unimaginable..
~ Coach Paul “Bear” Bryant ~
by 21nole24 on Dec 11, 2009 9:44 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
That paints a pretty different picture
from what I remember of that awful ESPN movie. That is a great story though.
Elam...
Havent seen it said anywhere but wasnt Gonzales the primary recruiter for Elam? Does him leaving help us enough?
FWIW, Rivals is only showing Gonzales.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Meyer has known the kid since he was like 8
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I put FWIW.
Rivals is pretty good about listing all of the heavily involved parties. Just found it curious, as in maybe Meyer was taking Elam’s commitment for granted and letting Gonzales do all of the leg work.
Just some hopeful speculation that Elam might be a little pissy with how he’s being handled.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Rivals puts any recruits under HCs
I think they attribute them all to Assistants, I think this is the correct system b/c of the limitations put on HCs for recruiting in terms of off campus visits and contact.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Meyer, not Gonzales.
Elam has been close with Meyer since he was 8 years-old. Which is what makes the idea of FSU having a real shot with him so stunning if it’s true.
But it sounds to me like — if it’s true we have a legitimate shot (and I’m not convinced we do) — Elam may not fully trust Meyer for reasons we all know.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
What kind of things are going down
to where some believe we have a shot w/ Elam? I’m just curious, because that would be another HUGE pickup.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
A bunch
1. Elam said we are not out of it just a day or two ago. FSU is the only one who has a shot at pulling him from the turds.
2. Genron said FSU is closer than you’d think with Elam and Jimbo has a card in Elam’s corner to play.
3. UF already has Dowling & Dorsey and has been reportedly recruiting more top DBs out west. Apparantly Elam isn’t happy about that. Not as much competition for PT at FSU.
4. We just landed the top 2 D prospects in the country within a week. Elam is rumored to have wanted to play with Luc.
5. Mass exodus from the turds, i.e., Strong & Gonzalez as well as their players.
6. Rumors that Meyer might go to the golden dome. One wonders if he will stay considering recent news of both his staff and players leaving.
7. While the turds have a mass exodus going on, the Noles landed Gran. Gran had been recruiting Elam for UT. Gran is well-respected in So. Fla. and among their HS coaches.
8. Coley.
9. Coley.
10. Coley.
Need I go on?
by NoleLaw on Dec 11, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone also mentioned a TN Tweet about Meyer discouraging Elam's friends from visiting this week.
Don’t know if that is true or what it’s about. Elam has an official with FU this weekend. He is goinf to be an EE, so he has to decide by Dec. 18th. My guess is that, like Joyner, he wants to let the rival coach know that he is a Nole face to face. Esp. if he’s known Meyer since he was 8.
He wanted to keep FSU leaning friends away from Elam
I think Elam is a Gator
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
He is. Unless we convince him otherwise.
Hopefully we can keep the FSU recruiting and coaching news cycle going with word of more commits and new hires. Keep the buzz going and his friends will have new stuff to keep calling him about. FSU does have a shot. It wouldn’t surprise me if he switches. He’ll be going up there right after the news of Strong and Gonzalez leaving. I can’t imagine there is a lot of positive buzz in Hogtown right now. There’s a week left.
We'd need Elam to make a mid-week visit
unofficial to have a shot if he did make his Official to UF this weekend.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
I think this may be a ploy by Elam and Meyer
to get Fisher & Coley to chase what is called a “red herring.” In other words, float the rumor out there that your strongest commitment is wavering so that your rivals come running. Meanwhile, Meyer goes and puts the strong sell on Green, Shaw, whomever, knowing full well that FSU’s recruiting resources are limited right now (of course so are UF’s).
I am so...
..frikkin pumped up about our programs direction right now, I almost cant stand it. This is the best I’ve felt about our ’Noles in years.
Its going to be a LONG 9 months of anxiety till kick off in Sept 2010. CHOP.. IT.. UP ’NOLES!!!
DC search
According to Democrat, its not going to be Mark Stoops.
Also, Christian Green and Kenny Shaw could be committing soon!!
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 11, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Can't we just
all agree that nobody but Jimbo and his “minions” actually know what is going on. It’s like playing “pin the tail on the DC”…
Yes.
I don’t think anybody knows anything but those with a need to know.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
That link was already posted further up on this thread =)
Maybe we will hear something by the end of the day today about who will be the new DC. At least that’s what Harris said when he committed, but maybe that’s why Coley went back out to Cali to talk to him and let him know that we won’t be naming a DC this week after all and make sure he didn’t bolt to Ole Miss after his visit.
Momentum...anyone else thing that a win in the Gator Bowl and in the first Game with UM next year is imperative to keep up this momentumn?
Yeah, right!
Don't think they did.
I think we’ve played the plurality of our first games against Miami the last several years, though.
I think we know who the opponents will be, but I don’t think they’ve set the schedule yet, have they?
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Spetman said we won't do a Labor Day game with UM for the next couple of years due to scheduling conflicts.
He said this back in August, IIRC. Not sure if it means we won’t be playing them first. But, I always preferred playing them in early October anyway.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
That is what I thought...
no more UM games on Labor Day
Would be huge get for them if
they get football AND basketball
Even more reason to pray Fox signs the ACC...
F ESPN and their SEC lovefest/bias.
It can’t happen soon enough.
Maybe we'll get to hear Thom Brennaman rave about how everyone's better for having met CP7.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think Jimbo will smash Spetman's head on the table if they try that one
Considering we play Oklahoma on Sept 11th
Don't think we need to win
Recruits know we have holes and they want to fill them. It will also be the outgoing staff running the show. Just want the offense to look good and the kids to see youth playing on the field for us.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 11, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Had my fix to start the day off.
This shit has turned me into a addict! Wake up and look for updates. Get to my desk going to get some work done. NOPE spend all day following a 900 post thread. Hell I feel like we got a new born in the house.
Great insite
This site is the best cant believe i paid for WC for 3 years keep up the great work
:o)
I love articles like this. As if I wasn’t excited ENOUGH about what’s going on, reading this just takes it to a whole different level!
by seminoleballer on Dec 11, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions
I just KNEW that....
joing TN was a good move. Bye, Bye WC—-I am very impressed thus far. Everyone here loves the Noles, and no backbiting…or fees.
This was the best story I have read on JF and staff in 2 years. (Applause)
1st Post
That’s exactly why I joined…WC made me throw up in my mouth…
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 11, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome.
You’re right, no FEES, but there is a test after 30 days. The goal is to create a more informed fan.
Welcome to TN
Tap2Times and FloridaStateJay!
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Did anyone else also notice the double entendre, which may or may not have been intentional, at the end of the video where it said:
Welcome Lamarcus Joyner
to Tomahawk Nation
If this was a intentional plug for TN, nicely done genron.
If it was a unintentional, Freudian slip, maybe?
Awesome video regardless Uncle G, you have gained some of my respect.
Maybe MattD can find out if this was intentional or not.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
can't wait for the ESPN special....
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 12, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
Gator Bowl
This entire site is sick…..
Thanks to everyone on it!
Any thoughts on FSU +3?
Tain’t exactly Wisconsin…….
loving WVU -3
EJ has been Cutleresque with a redzone TO in each of his first three games, I see no reason why he won’t do it again. If noles can have 4-5 six minute drives and limit to one turnover there’s a chance, but I just don’t see the D being able to make even a handful of sure tackles and would say we end up WVU 27-23
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 11, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Lunchtime Update
Wow. I jumped on TN after lunch specifically as a joke to myself. I was thinking “Heh, let’s see what new player/coach we picked up in the last hour.”
And of course, Jimbo, Coley, and the rest of the active coaching staff make me look like an idiot to myself. Kenneth Kirksey is almost a commit. At this pace, we’ll have a Green today and Lattimore by Monday morning.
Kirksey from Mainland?
Used to work in Daytona and Mainland churns out some good athletes. He’s a quick kid, but not a 4 or 5 star athlete though. Good news since we need d-line help though.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Kirksey from Mainland?
Used to work in Daytona and Mainland churns out some good athletes. He’s a quick kid, but not a 4 or 5 star athlete though. Good news since we need d-line help though.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
bah double post.........
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I wish..
Joyner and Luc could play in the Gator Bowl :-(
I love the direction our program is headed right now!
We still have to hire the right dc, but so far Jimbo has made outstanding choices. Our recruiting should be top 10 before it’s all over with.
This whole thing could SNOWBALL.
Being a Nole fan, we have been trained to not be over optimistic about anything good happening with the program due to all of the let downs during the Lost Decade. But the news has been rolling in since BB announced his retirement. Perhaps we shouldn’t get too excited because the majority of newcomers are not 2010 recruits (4-2011 prospects, 1-coach, 3-2010 prospects). But the last 2 prospects are bigguns and the combination of committments and coaches has created a massive buzz among the nat’l and local press. That combined with bad news for other schools, particularly UF and Tenn. (including the Gran story, rumors of Ogeron leaving, and the xmas Ho-Ho scandal), and upcoming events such as the UA game and the Dec. 18th deadline for EEs set up conditions for this to become The Perfect Strom. This thing could really snowball. With that in mind
[To the Tune of Let It Snow]
Oh the Coley on the road is frightful,
But the recruits are so delightful,
And since there’s no better place to go,
Be a Nole! Be a Nole! Be a Nole!
It doesn’t show signs of stopping,
And blue chip commits are still popping,
News of the new DC is on the down low,
Gator Bowl! Gator Bowl! Gator Bowl!
The Turds are slowly dying,
And, Meyer, Timmy’s still crying,
But as long as you love us so,
Be a Nole! Be a Nole! Be a Nole!
by NoleLaw on Dec 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
LOL great article I chucked when I read this
Kirksey is 6’1" 290 and well put together (not obese).
and accidently read “well put together – not obsese” as “well put together – no homo”
just a note to the people who just came from warchant
This is about the most positive thing I’ve ever read on TN. This site doesn’t sugar coat things and often times tells you the news you don’t want to hear. So reading this from TN is not like reading it from another site that loves to give the readers what they want.
I think there is still some bias on the site.
It’s hard not to portray some in an article of this length and in depth. But, the thing that’s good about this site is that no one poster is regarded by the “brass” as better than another. There aren’t really any “favorites”, and the guy who runs the site and his authors aren’t d*cks like on some other site.
I’ve noticed a lot more usernames that are frequenters on WC here the past few days, myself included (even though I’ve been coming here off and on for months). It’s good to see.
"favorites?"
oh damn man…. I thought the fella’s liked me because I am their China connect representin’ the 850.
Thanks for pissing in my Cheerios. BTW, I see a lot of WC posters on here now who are solid like you, and now Nolbra Kai and my man Mullins21 ( i see ya DK) If it is not out of bounds, I would like to know some more IDs. I went away from WC, and have been a member of this site for over a year. i just want to know who to skip over or read.
Excellent read again…… Just awesome. Thank you for you time and effort.
by LincolnHighNole on Dec 12, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Oh Yeah!
Omeganole2……….yeah I said it! Add him to the “most entertaining” list. I like the way Doc makes the WC faithful “three stooges Curly” mad. Sorry to reply to my own thread.
Best.
by LincolnHighNole on Dec 12, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
good job
as a hurricane fan good job getting these recuits…fsu gonna be back in no time…fsu and miami on top and gators in the bottom…how it should be….go canes
It all works in cycles here in florida
Miami was dominate, then FSU, then UF, FSU,UM,UF,….and next ????
FSU & Miami
I would settle for us playing each other every year in the ACCCG. Winner gets the BCS berth.

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