"I do know that Jimbo Fisher interviewed Mark Stoops (Arizona D-coordinator) in Tallahassee last week. I know that for a fact. I do not know the entire extent of who Fisher has interviewed to date."
"As for the mystery candidate, I have been told that there is some level of interest from both sides and that an interview has not taken place as of yet. I do believe that the candidate would wow people."
"As for current obstacles, there are a few. Because Fisher is likely to get a coach from a colleague for whom he has respect, he will not risk destroying another team's coaching dynamic as that team prepares for a BCS game. In addition, if Kirby Smart's wife convinces him to go to UGA (she played volleyball for UGA), then Sal Sunseri would probably want to take the promotion to be Bama's DC. If Smart didn't take the UGA position, and didn't want to take FSU's offer, then Sunseri wouldn't have a DC job to ascend to at Alabama and he'd be more inclined to want to be at FSU, if in fact he was Fisher's top choice."
1270TheTeam AM Radio's Jeff Cameron on the defensive coordinator search.
It seems that if Stoops knew he was not getting the job, he would have taken the Youngstown State HC position (he is a Youngstown native) already. That he hasn't, however, seems to suggest that he has either not been turned down, at the least.
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So from what we're hearing
It sounds like Stoops was not offered the job, not that he was offered but turned it down. Or am I off on that assessment?
Not necessarily.
Look @ Spetman’s quote below…
So it is possible
that there has been a verbal agreement that Stoops is the guy, but it won’t be made official / public until Fisher’s deal is official? From what we’re hearing this seems unlikely, but possible.
Jimbo may have told Stoops he's the guy
But he can’t sign the deal or announce until after the bowl game, MA & BB retire, his contract is finalized, etc.
Well, one thought that comes to mind is that the contract has not been finalized.
Remember when FSU announced that Jimbo would be the new OC, and then contract “talks” stalled and he wasn’t coming, and then he ended up here anyway? Maybe the admin doesnt want to look like idiots this time.
Make no mistake
they CAN AND WILL look like idiots….and are already on that train.
It’s like our trademark, almost as recognizable as the Chop
Also FSU is not Notre Dame
FSU will handle their issues on their own and they will let the new coordinator finish his job at his current school, because it adds to the resume’ and he could show off on national TV his D. Thats why I think FSU will not announce their New D-Coordinator until Jan 2 (the day after FSU’s Bowl Game)
In your scenario they would not announce until after the MNC game.
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Assuming it Sal or Kirby. If its Hudson or Stoops, earlier than our bowl game.
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From the mouth of the FSU administration:
On Thursday, Spetman was asked about potential assistant coaches joining the FSU program, but said he wouldn’t move forward on any such moves until the deal with Fisher is in place.
“I’m not going to hire an assistant coach until I officially have a head coach,” Spetman said.
he doesnt have to hire
but they can name one between now and then
maybe Fisher's deal gets done Monday
at the press conference.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
do you think
they’d finsh the deal and sign before the bowl game? i dunno, it may be viewed as “disrespectful” to bowden.
Hey I respect what Bowden has done for FSU
but the last thing we need right now is to worry about stepping on his toes. He’s done. Let’s get stability in place and move forward. I say sign the deal, announce Gran, and get a defensive coordinator.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
yea but it looks sticky
how do you sign a person as the head coach, while the present head coach still has a game?
exactly. At Alabama they were darn near time to play football before they finally got all of the contracts signed upon Sabans hire.
Assistants where working and their contracts weren’t even complete.
Yeah, right!
Gran... anyone?
Spetman’s full of crap and was just doing his best to dodge the million dollar question.
I'm surprised he didn't let Thacker and Mangum answer that question.
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They aren't captains.
Who’s the captain of the golf team? Maybe they would be available to answer questions….
Good point but...
big difference b/t Jimbo hiring an offensive asst v. Jimbo hiring the DC when he’s not officially announced as HC. Could be viewed as a possible violation by the NCAA – and you know we don’t need any of that…
Then what's the point of announcing?
I don’t think Jimbo’s concerned with placating TN and Warchant message boards…
Jimbo & Coley have that covered
the new DC can’t recruit anway if he can’t go to work yet.
we mean that it will be easier to recruit if you can tell the kid who he's playing for.
Especially if it is truly a big name! It could only help.
Also 60 – 70 percent of our recruits in this class will be defensive.
Yeah, right!
I'm going to assume the recruits already know who the DC will be.
If I were a recruit I wouldn’t commit unless I knew who the DC was going to be or not going to be.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
Wrong. If you were Jimbo, would you trust a 18 year old kid to keep a secret everyone wants an answer to.
I dona thinka so paisano.
jk, No offense intended.
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I don't think Jimbo necessarily cares about it being kept a secret.
Rumors are flying as you can tell from this board & no one’s going to take a recruit that seriously anyway.
If Luc or Joyner (or genron) were to say it is Stoops, Hudson, or Sunseri,
I think many people would listen,
Notice the name Hudson thrown in there.
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I have never waivered on Bud Foster and I guess AC might be seeing it my way.
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That does not mean I would be upset if it were any of the others in the Trifecta.
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I just would not be surprised if it winds up being Foster.
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There's no way. Don't get your hopes up.
I read the article, but I just don’t see it happening.
That is why I stay out of these discussions as much as possible, and it's not because I don't have a opinion.
I am not the confrontational type.
Now f*ck off @$$h*le.
With all due respect of course. jk
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Sure, it's all speculation at this point.
Clearly Foster would be the best get… but that would one of the biggest shockers of all time.
And, yes, I am an a$$h0!e.
Why do you think we get Foster?
I hope you know and saw the jk. I am the resident @$$hole here and I refuse to relinquish my title.
I don’t know who we will “get.”
But Foster has all but been dismissed by everyone, including just about every staff and member here. But like I said, I never wavered, even in private emails between staff members. Not until this last post by AC was he even being mentioned along the same lines as Stoops, Sunseri, and Smart.
I won’t go into all my reasons or thoughts, except to say that I don’t think he is as happy at VT as he is played out to be.
Beamer has publicly vetoed every attempt to make Foster a HCIW, and refuses to speculate on how much longer he wants to coach. There are some other reasons which I don’t want to waste everyone’s time on.
IMAO, I think he would be better at this time for FSU, as far as a coach. Forget recruiting, forget connections to Fisher/Saban tree, just from a coaching point of view, if it were my choice, I would be all over him like brown on sh*t.
Again though, I would be thrilled with any of the Foster, Sunseri, Stoops trifecta, and I only leave Smart out because I don’t think that is possible.
(The preceding opinions expressed here are strictly this authors and not the views of Tomahawk Nation, it’s subsidiaries, or affiliates).
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I saw the jk but I also saw words with *&^$#$*# in them LOL
So you think Foster may have seen what happened b/t BB and MA and is thinking f this I’m making a move. I could definitely see that. But my question is: why wouldn’t someone hire him as a HC somewhere? Surely UVA would take a Foster or some other mid-tier program.
Foster is probably the mystery candidate.
Sunseri, Foster, Smart, Stoops, Hudson …
They are all good guys. Sunseri is my No. 1 as I think he would be content to be DC until he retires. Any of the other 4 are probably looking at FSU as a stepping stone. I’m cool with that, but I just don’t like the idea of having to change DCs. I know some people like the idea of coaches who can do more with less, although I don’t automatically think that means a guy can take great talent and make it elite. I think Sunseri can do that. The others I am not sure about.
You also look at recruiting. Not sure about who the best recruiter of the bunch is b/c most of those guys seem to be the ones who are getting the “less” talent. I guess Smart is probably the best recruiter of the bunch but you can’t be sure if it is Samrt or Saban’s coattails.
In the end, I think any of those 5 will do well. They should at least be better than what we’ve had.
Seriously, of all the adjectives you could have chosen for a new DC ...
you went with “content”?
I give up.
Yeah
And he said not from Bama and had coached in Florida and some AA. soooooo…??
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
Yes he did
But you got to take a Miami fan’s word with a grain of salt. (no disrespect intended Genron)
I'm just saying
If it were me, I’d want to know who my DC was before I committed, especially if I’ve been holding off on my commitment to see who was going to be brought in.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
At some point you get a warm and fuzzy feeling and you go with it.
I would not be surprised if Jimbo said he has someone in mind, or that he has decided on someone, but he would be a fool to give a name to a kid without a contract.
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And the recruits can't practice yet.
It’s like if we didn’t know who the next HC would be and we were trying to get a guy to be DC—>not happening b/c you don’t take a DC job w/o knowing who you’ll be working for.
That we may have been able to pull some recruits is a tribute to the skill of Fisher & Coley and the legacy of Bowden’s golden years. For the more guys who have not committed yet, that may not be enough.
Yea I agree
But maybe if Jimbo has already chosen someone, he is not making an announcement because the new DC might have asked to wait till after their Bowl Game so we don’t have a situation like Richt in the 2000 NCCG.
I'm not going to say anything about our recruiting ...
I don’t want to make Coley mad.
He’s coming after EVERYONE, buckle up kids!!!!!
We still have a head coach. And BB always said Jimbo would be in on the hire.
Not following what NCAA violation would result from naming a DC unless the new DC is a Vol HOstess…
Now that's just mean.
True, but mean.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
arrrrrgh!!!
all this vagueness is hurting my head. Please fast forward to Jan 2 please
I really can't
think of someone who would actually make me say ‘wow’. Pete Carroll or Bill Cowher perhaps.
Regardless of who it is, you gotta admit the "myster candidate" is exciting.
Remember that taffy-esque candy called “Airheads”? The white one was the mystery flavor. Nobody knew what the flavor was, but I’ll be damned if that snow white fructose wasn’t enticing.
(Note: no racial innuendos implied in this corn syrup analogy)
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
u know i never thought about it from this perspective.
but he literally has a captive ’Nole nation and we are on the edge of our seats.
DK is to properly assigning message board superlatives what George Washington Carver was to peanuts.
The highest K-Man compliment available.
(ironically, Wolffbird7 is the boll weevil and AC’s Chopping Block is the cotton fields).
If you follow that metaphor, kudos to you. You’re likely the only one and didn’t get laid until post-college.
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"mystery white" airhead was bogus
I’m suprised you fell for it. It was ALWAYS Blue Raspberry. Seriously.
by Zach_Nole on Dec 11, 2009 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i remember those summers at grandpa's farm growing up...
…stomping through the adjacent forest, chasing rabbits and skipping stones across the creek.
But my fondest memories were picking wild fruits with my older brother. We’d return home boasting our bounty of fresh morsels with smiles glued to our faces. Pink lemons and electric blue raspberries were our favorite. Grannie would squeeze succulent pink lemonade to cool us off as we feasted on bright blue raspberries, our tongues stained indigo with the sweet delights.
Ahhhh, blue raspberries. Thanks for reminding me, Zach.
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who needs schemes when you field the athletes that he has on that team?
look what happened this year after all his AA jumped ship to the NFL. Next year they reload and back to the top they go
who is this mystery person
And I wonder what team he coaches
by atlnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh, great.
So we trade Amato for Larry Summers.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ric Flair
Wait…He was the Black Scorpion. Wrong mystery man.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
SOURCE: Hayden Fox will be the new DC and coach the secondary.
Luther Van Dam will coach the LB’s.
and
Michael “Dauber” Dybinski will coach the D line.
It won’t be announced until after Fisher signs his contract Monday morning.
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I heard that Minnesota State will....
not let them go without a fight.
Yeah, they all think.....
it would be a lateral move.
Yes.
The Orlando Breakers. And I doubt they’ll leave, because they had to jump a shark to get that job.
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It went downhill after they won the NC. But I guess after that many years, the stories get harder and harder to come up with.
.
“get harder and harder”
That’s what she said.
by MattDNole on Dec 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST
I saved you the trouble Matt.
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Yeah
They went pro.
No Bo Whitley , no success!
Batman would be awesome
or Superman, or even Spiderman….my 4 year old would commit immediately if either of those happened…
jon gruden
haha im jp but who knows who this wower is
Maybe Muschamp is back in the picture
by atlnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 3:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah one could dream big
although with Mack Brown’s new contract lasting until 2016 Muschamp will be a coach in waiting for a looooong time.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Yeah, but UT is a place you'll wait 6 years for...
Unless Muschamp is 60.
FSUjab
I think the chance of getting Muschamp is slim to none. I shouldn’t have stirred the pot:)
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I gave you more credit than that...
but you, sir, are a pot-stirrer!
Muschamp is making $900K, doubt we're matching that
And I’m sure Mack retires before Jimbo does
The question is whether he could use our DC position as a platform
And get another big time HC job before 2016. I would think yes.
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He already has a platform to jump from at Texas
He doesn’t need to go anywhere else to prove himself
True, and yet his name has never come up for any other HC job. But now, maybe he does not want to wait 6 more years to become a HC.
Not saying he would consider FSU, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we start hearing his name start getting mentioned for HC job starting next year.
BTW, I think I remember hearing Brown is 59.
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Mystery man has been confirmed by my sources at numerous Footlockers and Sunglass huts around the country to be......
Chuck Amato
Now that would wow the crap out of me as in “WOW we still are garbage”
Of course this won’t happen under Fisher
The "mystery man"
Seriously??? This is what we’ve come to?
I’m just going to assume it’s the Hamburgler until further noice. We’ll pay him with Miami Subs burgers.
Any one else starting to think that we’ll all be unimpressed with the new DC? I trust Jimbo, but I don’t trust Spetman…doesn’t seem likes he’s capable of not screwing this up. Please prove me wrong, Spetman, I beg you…
Spetman has little or nothing to do with the choice - that's Jimbo
but I’m sure he has a say in the administration of the contracts, announcements, etc.
If so, he's even smarter than I originally thought!
Maybe the guy should quit coaching and run for office.
That's what I was getting at...
I’ve know administrators to screw things up with their incessant meddling…I mean administrating….maybe I’m just impatient.
Also getting worried that we are milking this idea that we are getting a kickazz DC while recruiting and getting assistants. I’m okay with that, but I’m starting to think the DC isn’t going to be as stellar as any of us were hoping.
I guess I could be convinced otherwise, but I’m not sold on Stoops…maybe as a long range plan, but not as a person to come in and immediately provide an impact to get us to an ACCCG level.
I see what you're saying though
Jimbo: “I know who I’m gonna pick”
Spetman: “Ok, but we’re not going to announce until I say so”
Jimbo: “but I still have to recruit”
Spetman: “Don’t make me call TK”
Jimbo: “Don’t make me call James Coley”
Spetman wants no parts of Coley
his power level is reported to be over 9000.
by Rock_and_Nole on Dec 11, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.....
Clint Eastwood, Megatron and the surviving members of Pantera (R.I.P. Dimebag) were in Coley’s way and they parted like the red sea. Nobody f*ck$ with Coley!
not to mention, I'm sure Jimbo's deal is done...
didn’t they already come to an agreement..the only thing missing is an official announcement.
I expressed that concern a few weeks ago, good to hear he's not a huge factor.
Staying on the obscure analogy train…
Jimbo is at a bar, it’s last call, and he’s about to take home a girl (girl = hot DC candidate). Spetman is the awkward drunken buddy that comes over and slaps Fisher on the back, sloshes some beer on the girl, and says “Hey, Jimboner! You sure you’re okay to drive? Oh, you are? Cool. Take me to Wendy’s, dude.”
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A) K-Man’s on a roll
2) Coach Fisher now hates you for introducing TN to the nickname “Jimboner”
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D) should've picked an analogy that doesn involve Jimboner trying to bang a mystery dude
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or Randy plays the role of a c*ckblocker and ask Jimboner in front of the girl if his girlfriend going to be at his house and have the syphilis symptons gone away yet.
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If our new DC is TK, then you'll know that Spetman screwed up...Robble, robble.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Actually, I'm considering hiring
Nakedonmydong Suh…what do you guys think?
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm taking Matt Millar's view.
It’s Smart at DC, and Sunseri’s coming with him. Without telling their douche boss. Dolphins fans get their revenge.
Suck it, Saban.
So basically
We still don’t know what we still don’t know. We could know by as soon as the end of the day, or it could be until after the bowl games. Daggum suspense, you know it?
Maybe
They’re not worried about the announcement because they’re trying to maximize recruiting time before the dead period?
My sentiments too, we've only got 5 coaches recruiting and the quiet period starts next week I think
Plus, we’ve just signed 2 of the best Defensive players in the nation without a known D coordinator, or at least known to us; I don’t really care if we do wait until after the MNC game as long as we get the best guy out there.
if we keep the "that's what she / he said" trend going I think 750 is a good line
Unless we get another Commitment / DC announcement before 5 pm
You made a bad bet in which you have no control of the outcome.
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It would make absolutely NO sense for Smart to become the DC at UGA
I assume Kirby would love to have the HC job at UGA, so why would he go there to be the DC and save Richt’s job? I’m still under the assumption that the recruits know who the DC is, why else would we all of a sudden get these top defensive recruits to commit?
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
Well who gets their first HC job at their "dream" school...
Almost nobody… I don’t think that argument is very valid. He’s going to have to stick it out at Bama, or go somewhere where the turnaround is extremely visible (FSU). Otherwise, he’ll have to take a lower tier job for his 1st job…probably non-BCS…of course, this is just my opinion.
Richt got hired at a big school after just being a coordinator
if Smart stays at Alabama for a few years he could probably get his alma mater to hire him.
Nobody's tight with the boosters
when they are losing, unless your name sounds like Seff and begins with a J.
Not boosters....
HC
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
You aren't seriously suggesting
that UGA wants to look as retarded as we did with the whole HCIW thing, are you?
It would be a secret HCIW thing between Kirby and their boosters
They wouldn’t publicly announce a guy that close to Richt in age as their HCIW. HCIW also isn’t used when the reason for the HC leaving is being fired rather than retiring. (except in our case)
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Maybe, but my point was more
the HCIW thing here showed that it can fracture your team. If UGA wants to win immediately they will fire Richt now and hire Smart, or Smart joins the staff without a HCIW title and his fate is intertwined with the HC. It would be near impossible for UGA to promote the DC after firing the HC for poor results.
HCIW did not fracture the team
Bobby being “in charge” did.
by Zach_Nole on Dec 11, 2009 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts as if anyone cares.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/8/1076879/a-successful-blueprint-for-a-head
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by FrankDNole on Dec 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Numerically, alphabetically, and by subject matter. On my primary computer, and my emergency backup computer and printed out on paper in case of total power failure.
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It would set a dangerous precedent
to fire a coach who has averaged almost 10 wins per year, for a 33-34 year old with only 2 years of coordinator experience( In the SEC no less). I wouldn’t do that in order to get Charlie Strong (Maybe Mushamp..maybe), much less Kirby Smart. It must be true that Georgia holds their program in higher esteem than everyone else in CFB
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think the HCIW thing is going to turn out pretty good for FSU...
they just needed to put a time limit on it. I think we will all be very happy with the end result.
Now it is...
but a couple of weeks ago I thought differently.
The HCIW thing
Looked bad for us because the performance on the field was substandard. They have had the same type of succession plans at Texas and Oregon, and notice, no one (ESPN) bangs on them due the fact they are winning at least 9 games a year ( 10 for Texas). Granted at Oregon, the transition was seamless due to Bellotti stepping down at least a year earlier than people expected. FSU’s succession plan was always under scrutiny because the product on the field had slipped and recruits were hesistant to play for a head coach of advancing age and demished capabilities.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
The outcome turned out great, today. The planning, process, and implementation sucked the big one.
Things could have and might have gone horribly wrong if we had not been such a disappointing team this year, or even slightly better than we were.
What if Bobby had been able to buy out Jimbo if we had 9-10 wins this year?
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it's painful when you down to the molecular level.
For instance, Jarmon dropping that pass on Labor Day might help the program long-term.
This is all hypothtical of course….but it’s tragic and cannot be ignored (if you’re the thinkin type).
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bowden wasn't gonna go quietly regardless, I believe
I would hope FSU brass would have not been dumb enough to buy out Fisher for an 80 year who was used for years by rivals coaches to recruit against our program. But considering their track record….maybe you’re right. It was best to let the paperwork do the talking instead
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
It looked questionable for years
To me it’s not really the succession plan, because if the plan was followed exactly to the letter, Bowden may have been back next year ( Because you know he wanted to). I like the way things are going now(Feel even better come NSD when it’s official). But that because Bobby is gone and now we have competent people manning the controls of the program. Under Bobby, the program lacked leadership and direction. Under Jimbo, cats are working hard and are focused
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
The whole thing comes down to a set time frame of no more than 1 year for transition.
Anything else is a time bomb waiting to explode.
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You got tickets
to that cage match between Carter and Allen?
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Cameron is a good guy and all, and with *all due respect* ....oh never mind, there's no point in continuing.
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Someone needs to put Lou away.
How many teams are going to win national championships? He’s named about 40 in the last 5 seconds.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
As you can imagine, Brian Kelly will win 25 or 30 of them at ND within a 6-year period according to crazy ol’ Lou.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't you heard?
ND Is already guaranteed the next 5 national championships. Lou knows it all and he is a realist not a homer.
He has a point about the coaches who have succeeded/failed at ND - those that have been successful at the same level
Of course, based on his theory, Jimbo’s screwed.
Sure.
But how long has it been since Notre Dame was truly one of the elite programs? Can they still pick themselves up to that level again?
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
The problems at Notre Dame
have as much if not more to do with a ton of other factors besides coaching.
IMO not without lowering some of their academic standards
Main reason Meyer didn’t go to ND (supposedly) was because they wouldn’t grant him the number of academic exceptions he wanted. They still get some decent players, but if the UF’s, FSU’s (90s), USC’s of the world have thought us anything is that a team full of C- students (at best) wins you championships. A team full of 4.00 GPAs doesn’t
meant the last few years. they are doing poorly now because of the coaching issues.
not unlike us until Jimbo was made official.
Yeah, right!
It looks a lot like ours.
They’ve been ranked similarly with us for the past few years, probably even better. Yet there they are.
I’m gonna say, adjusting for the usual silly media hype around the ironically-named Irish, we’re not looking at much here, except to say that, with the exception of USC, they play a schedule that would make Boise State blush, last I checked.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was telling my friend about all our recruiting successes
He told me we are just like ND then I had to slap him in the face.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
Even with all of our problems on staff...
…and playing what is, if I remember correctly, a much tougher schedule, we still matched Notre Dame’s record.
I dunno. I’m not going to pretend to be without bias here, because I hate Notre Dame and its obnoxious fans and lapdogs in the press.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Notre Dame cannot bring in defensive linemen in the quantity needed to be elite
End of discussion. They have every other piece.
If anyone knows what a thin DL looks like...
…it’s us.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
I think this is all a ploy byt TN and other FSU blogs to keep our eyes glued to their site non stop
That’s why no announcement of our next DC has been made yet.
by BS37FSU on Dec 11, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's working isn't it?
On me anyway
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
TN rumor mill in full throttle just to keep you coming back.,
Zook cleans house on the offensive side and looking for new DC.
Turds hire new WR coach Azzanni from Central Michigan.
Jim Harbaugh to Kansas, if he beats out Tuberville.
Charlie Strong want Kerwin Bell as OC at Louisville.
Stay tuned.
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Why the hell would anyone want the Kansas Job?
If you’ve been to Kansas, you’d know how much it would suck to be stuck there
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Unless Charlie Weiss gets it, of course
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
He'll go back to New England.
After all, they need a scapegoat.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
According to Wikipedia, there are 2 Billy Youngs
One was a football player born in 1901, and the other a soccer player who was born in 1938.
I figured Charlie would go a little younger with his OC choice, but what do I know?
Who is Billy Young?
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'll probably still
be hanging around here in July.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
haven't gone a day without spending at least 30 min on this site since I found it
don’t think that will change until they start charging me
Don't jinx it
please
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
Do a pool on the identity of the next DC?
Do you have the software to set it up? We could all be allowed $100 funny money.
Chief Osceola
Jimbo knows......
Jimbo knows football…..Jimbo knows play calling…..Jimbo knows he’s the man……Jimbo knows CP7 is going to make a run for the Heisman next year….Jimbo knows what DC is going to back his dominate offense up next year….Jimbo knows…….Jimbo keeps it 3rd and Manageable
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Dec 11, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions
i wish CP& would go to the NFL
I really like EJ Manuel, i think he is a good QB even though he does not have a lot of exposure to real game situations
Wow - this post gets my vote for the dumbest of the day.
I hope you’re joking.
Why?
do you call Maryland and Wake Forest a real game? That was just practice with 2nd and 3rd stringers. Florida was his only real opponent and it was horrible
has potential
he has improved in TD INT ratio but I believe that Jimbo could do more with his playbook with Manuel than with Ponder
You mean like, evenutally? Or after this season?
Because if you mean now (and I think you do), I honestly don’t know how to respond to the sheer retardedness of this statement.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Remember he was in the Top 25 as a high school senior
He has potential he needs exposure but i think he will do good
Remember Ponder was a top 5 QB in the country last year?
EJ isn’t in high school anymore, bra.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
okay Ponder has started now 2 full seasons now right?
Who has he beaten? he has only beaten BYU remember he played vs the losses to BC USF Clemson ( too many losses for a second year starter vs teams they should have beaten
he balls out of control at QB
but you cant put him on D…..the offense put up great numbers all year, but its hard to win if your D gives up 400yds every game
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
but doesnt success equals QB's
so when the team is not succeeding who gets the blame? the offensive line? But completly true the D gave too many yards, too many penalties (Mangum) and didnt even try to compete in a lot of games (both Robinson’s expecially Patrick Robinson)
We really need to get rid of Shawn Powell!
I mean he played in the losses to BC USF Clemson ( too many losses for a second year starter vs teams they should have beaten).
I did.
And when he didn’t underthrow them, he floated the ball so outrageously that it killed a lot of plays.
EJ vs Ponder — no comparison. Maybe that changes when EJ’s an upper-classman. We’ll see.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, no, not necessarily.
Jimbo can do a lot with EJ, but ultimately EJ and Ponder have different gifts.
He’ll definitely get better. But with Ponder, I always know we have a shot to win. With EJ, not so much.
Again, not a stab at EJ. He’s only a redshirt freshman. There’s time.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
did you read
look up its says he played HORRIBLE against the Gators
talking about Under Throwing
Opening night vs the Canes
Whatever man.
Prepare to get blasted if you keep making ignorant statements.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
this is for debating right?
No one should be offended?
So you want to debate EJ vs Ponder next year?
Good luck, my friend.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
at the end of the day
it doesn’t really matter, everybody knows Ponder is the starter. He took over on Weatherfords senior season (also Xavier Lee didn’t show any potential even though he was the #1 recruit in 04)
This is a joke, right?
The ball hit Fortson in the hands. If it hits you in the hands, you catch it. Period.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's a tad off topic, but
Did any of you guys read the front page article on SBNation about Ndamukong Suh’s statistics?
If you haven’t prepare to have your mind blown.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions
But I still think Mark Stoops is it.
There is a hang-up with how much money he wants for his staff. Some believe he is using the FSU D-Coordinator job as leverage for more money.
Really? It’s not like he’s going for the same job at each place. Eventually, it’s just time to make the move to head honcho.
Sure, the ultimate goal is head honcho - but at a *known* university.
So, should he go to YSU for 4 years as HC getting paid $250k then (if successful) land a job at Midtier Program State? Or should he go to FSU for 4 years as DC getting paid $400k then (if successful) land a job at Midtier Program State?
he has connections
remember he has his brothers to speek for him, plus he has been successful as a D coordinator at Zona
YSU is not the typical 1-AA program. They have a 20,000 seat stadium that is regularly sold out, have won the 2nd most games in 1-AA history, and have a name brand that has fallen on hard times. He would be a hero if he fixed what ails them.
And, as Lemus_87 said, he has already proven his worth as defensive coordinator. I could see him turning YSU around and getting a job at a mid-tier BCS program like Kansas, Indiana, etc.
Not saying I know what his desires are, but he’s 42 years old and a lifelong assistant coach. It may just be time to throw his hat in the ring and see if he has what it takes.
Now, if he were to choose FSU DC then he would be an excellent fit. He already knows the state of Florida well from his time at the U. And he would represent a connection to Ohio.
Plus competition in recruiting
He could recruit in big 10 country and big 12 country maybe steal a recruit or 2 from his brother
if he chooses YSU
he will begin building his head coach resume’ but if he feels he is not ready (which i hope) he will go to FSU he knows florida he’s coached in the state before so he knows recruiting stops, plus he could expand the recruiting map at FSU
How good is Stoops?
First time posting. Sorry if I missed any commentary on Stoops before now. I have read some about Kirby Smart and Sal Sunseri. How does Stoops compare?
Welcome.
IMO, Stoops may not be as good as Smart, but he’s a proven DC which puts him over Sunseri. Also, he plays in a better conference than Hudson at ECU.
If we can’t or don’t get Smart, I think Stoops is the next best choice amongst KNOWN candidates. Of course, if Foster is truly a viable option – as FrankD and AC think – then he trumps everyone…
I just don't see Bud Foster leaving VT
I mean, he’s GOT to be next in line for that job, right? After seeing what happened to Bobby, how much longer does Frank think he has?
I’d poop a brick if it were Foster, though. Guy is an ANIMAL
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I have said this previously, Bud Foster is to Frank Beamer as Mickey Andrews is to Bobby Bowden.
He has been following Beamer around since 1981. That comes out to something like 28 years and with no end in sight.
I think, I hope, I pray, he is ready to move and while FSU is a stepping stone, I believe he might be ready to prove himself and out of Beamers shadow.
Similar to Smart wanting UGA through the backdoor, maybe Foster thinks he can get VT through the back door when Beamer leaves.
Maybe this is all wishful thinking and my over-active imagination. We shall see hopefully soon.
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yeah, but I think VT feels entitled to have him...
they don’t seem to think he would ever leave…Maybe this move shows he’s serious about making a move. He’s been at VT for 20 years or so. How many teams considered Mickey a viable option?
No Way
Bud Foster will never leave VT or Frank Beamer for an assistant job somewhere else, never will happen he is too loyal to Beamer. Anyways I don’t like Bud Foster I think there are better coaches that could lead the Noles D
Hence the irrational posts about Virginia Beach native, EJ Manuel.
Outed.
by The K-Man on Dec 12, 2009 12:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
Sunseri fixed the Bama pass rush that Saban AND Smart couldn’t. He’s got pro exp. and exp. as a position coah for both DL & LB. In all lilelihood, he would be the DC at Bama if Smart hadn’t been there first.
Sunseri trumps Stoops. I think he’s better than Smart, but Smart might have an edge on recruiting.
If it is neither Sunseri nor Smart, the I think the order is:
Foster, Stoops, Hudson.
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My best guess.
by The K-Man on Dec 12, 2009 12:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
KTLH SKC
There’s lots of talk about Stoops in the LJ thread.
If we hire Mark Stoops
I’ll never hear the end of it out here. That being said, I’m good if we get him. He’s not nearly as arrogant as his brother Bob or the hothead his brother Mike is.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Footballknowitall.com just said Texas will win the NC
So it must be true… :)
ThaRinger is indeed saying that
About 35 minutes ago he was saying he didn’t have clue and he saying it’s Stoops, so must know something.
Damn!
Wikipedia is fast they already have it up…..
Au Defense
Ranked 21st Nationally that’s pretty good
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