FSU to Hire Mark Stoops as Defensive Coordinator
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 6:25 PM EST
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Multiple sources including Jeff Cameron of 1270The Team WNLS AM Radio and NoleInsider.com are reporting that Florida State will name Mark Stoops as its defensive coordinator. I am hearing that the contract will be for $485K per year, a figure that is in line with what other elite programs pay for a defensive coordinator. Florida State will hold a press conference at 1 p.m. this Monday to announce Jimbo Fisher's contract, and Stoops should be introduced shortly after.
Stoops is 43 years old and is currently the defensive coordinator for the Arizona Wildcats. He is the brother of OU's Bob Stoops and also UA's Mike Stoops. In his three years at Arizona, he has led the 'Cats defense to 22nd (2009), 42nd (2008), and 28th ('07) ranked finishes. (Source: Opponent-Adjusted Defensive Efficiency). This year, his defense sacked quarterbacks more frequently than any other in the Pac 10.
Before coming to Arizona, Stoops worked at Kansas State under noted defensive mind Jim Leavitt and then followed Leavitt to USF to be the Bull's defensive backs coach. In 2001 he was named the defensive backs coach for the University of Miami where he produced such noted talents as Ed Reed, the late Sean Taylor, Antrelle Rolle, Phillip Buchanan and others.
At Arizona, he has been instrumental in the Wildcat's rebuilding effort, as Arizona has been the rare Pac 10 team to have an defense that is consistently better than its offense-- a rarity in a conference thought to be dominated by wide open offenses. Stoops' familiarity with recruiting in Florida from his days at USF and Miami certainly played a factor in the hire.
Stoops runs a multiple 4-3 defense, and his philosophical influences include noted defensive minds Mike and Bob Stoops, Butch Davis, and Jim Leavitt. However, what he did at UA was largely predicated on the type of athletes he could (or could not) get, and he will have much better talent to work with at Florida State with the 'Noles gunning for the top recruiting class in the country. With greater talent comes greater schematic flexibility. Stoops is regarded as a bright up-and-coming defensive mind. Nick Saban reportedly tried to hire him as his defensive back's coach for the Dolphins.
Stoops doesn't need to produce an elite level defense in his first year. Florida State returns 9 starters from the ACC's best offense in nearly a decade. The 'Noles defense, however, ranked 96th. Stoops' first goal should be returning that side of the ball to competency.
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Ha!
I was sitting there thinking when Uncensored made his bet, “You know, something will pop up, and he’ll have a new story that will depress the thread.”
Schmuck.
(jk)
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...I thought that was weird, too.
Sneaky little bugger.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
When did Jeff mention that?
I listened almost until 6:00 and didn’t hear it?…Kept hearing speculation about the Mystery person.
Closet Fan?
I agree that he likes OU because I believe he has family that went to the school, but he has never hid the fact.
Happy as hell we got this guy. Look at some of the DB’s this dude has coached. As Darth Vader would say, “Impressive.”
by LincolnHighNole on Dec 12, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Only if
You like winning games…
I will appreciate Fisher's dynasty more than I did Bowden's...
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 12, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Damn, about time...
I was sick of keeping my damn mouth shut
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions
I don't think any realistic fan thought we were gonna reel in either.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm...yes?
It just didn’t add up for Smart. Bama is just too good of a gig right now. I think wishful thinking overmatched logic.
For the record, he WAS my favorite, though. I’m with you on that one.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
wait a few days on that Frank
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I am sure I won't be the last to make that mistake either.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
no disappointment here
stoops is a way better hire than smart.
And what kind of crack are you smoking???
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 12, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
This will test my trust in Jimbo
The immediate disgust of seeing a Stoops in garnet and gold is going to be a lot to shake off.
firejimbo.com
The domain is free, we can split the cost 50/50.
In all seriousness though, I think it’s a solid hire. Not as good as the two Bama guys, but good enough.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was never really sold on Sunseri
All I kept getting was the “Bama pass rush” argument. Not much else.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Archie, please don't call him a meathead.
I just revealed my age with that one.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Wow
You’re in my generation. Maybe even older. Meathead.
by CelticPride on Dec 11, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing as how he would bang his head into door jams
yes, he came across a bit of a meathead… Superficial and not into the details yes, but I don’t think I would want to have that legacy following me around.
"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"
It's not Bob
but let’s hope he’s as good. BStoops won UF their first NC as a DC and brought OK back to national prominence. OK hasn’t been as good since the other Stoops boys left the staff to go to AZ.
I like him over Sunseri.
At least he’s actually been a DC somewhere.
Makes sense.
I’m wondering if this will be a factor in trying to sway Elam. This hire may be smarter than we know.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Can't hurt
Look at where the talent he had at Miami ended up. Pro Bowls and Super Bowls!
GO NOLES! GO EAGLES!
DBs are his specialty
I would say Elam is a lock
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
by DocHoliday2 on Dec 12, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Pfffft.
Still betting on Smart and Sunseri coming together.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
So, what do folks think?
My guess is, given that Stoops managed to produce some Top 25 defenses at AZ, that he can do a lot more with the kind of talent FSU can bring in.
I like his coaching abilities and I like his age
I’m excited to see what he can do with all of this defensive talent. Oh, and I trust in Jimbo.
>>---l>
im from tucson and like this pick
South fla background and a proven DC. Hes a passionate young guy like Jimbo.
Age is definitely good.
I liked the idea of having a younger guy along the lines of Smart and Stoops. Young, energetic.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
Arizona can’t compete talent-wise to FSU. Any decent player ends up at USC.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good hire.
- Still young
- Top 25 defense w/o top 25 talent
- Knows FL
- Also knows AZ and TX now
- Coached DBs well @ UM
- Saban reportedly wanted him at the Dolphins as DB coach
- Learned under brother Mike & Bob
- Brother Bob proven defensive guy
- If it doesn’t work out, FSU folks will have no problem firing a Stoops
by FSUjab on Dec 11, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Excellent, excellent Post
Rec’d…
I just learned about the Saban thing today. We didn’t get a “Saban guy”…We got one who turned Saban DOWN!!! BOOSH
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Something Nole fans aren't accustomed to
If it doesn’t work out, FSU folks will have no problem firing a Stoops
True, true
I think it’ll work out well
by horsepowernole on Dec 11, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Some candidates???
These are a couple guys on Stoops’ staff currently:
Jeff Hammerschmidt: Special Teams Coordinator, Defensive Ends
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hammerschmidt_jeff00.html
Tim Kish: Assistant Head Coach/LBs
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kish_tim00.html
Not really sexy IMO, hopefully Jimbo has eyes on some other guys…
I imagine part of Stoops deal was...
…some input in the hiring of his assistants. If he has guys who work well with/for him I’m all for it…
Garner will now be pissed at UGA...
Jimbo needs to close on him, because he’s another killer on the trail…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
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by geoffissiffoeg on Dec 11, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would be down with anyone with the last name of "Hammerschmidt" to be on our staff.
…I can only begin to think of the nicknames.
2009 Arizona defense:
YPP: 30th (3rd in PAC) 4.8
sacks/game: 9th (t-1 in PAC) 3
sac : 12th (1st in PAC) 8.3
Comp % against: 32nd (4th in PAC) 56.3%
YPR against: 42 (5th in PAC) 3.8
YPP: 22 (3rd in PAC) 6.3
takeaways/game: 79 (10th in PAC) 1.5/gm
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
3rd measure is sack percentage
1st in the pac 10!
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
If I wasn't doing anything tonight I'd draft up a decent fanpost...
regarding AZ’s past recruiting classes, players in NFL, etc.
same.
hell, maybe I’ll stay in just to look them up.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for these.
Taking the kind of talent he’ll have access to in the region in Florida, this could be quite good, I suspect.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
it would do well
so much talent there. Ed Reed would make a mockery of Tebow if he tried to throw it deep.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
All in all, if I'd never heard the name Smart
I’d probably feel ok.
Once a Saban guy was said to be in the picture, it was going to take a lot to satisfy me.
Mark Stoops was the AD at my alma mater for four years. Unfortunately, I was not there during those years.
But I have to say he’s an excellent hire. Possibly not as good as Kirby Smart but much better than Sal Sunseri, IMO. Sunseri struck me as a career position coach in his style. He didn’t seem to be the intellectual, scheming type that coordinators usually are at this level. He can teach what he knows regarding technique and attitude but I believe FSU dodged a bullet with him.
Stoops multiple 43 scheme is very similar to OU (duh). Should be a great defense if you can pull in some defensive linemen.
Unpossible.
If The Fastest Defense in FSU History™ can’t stop it, how’s this guy going to?
Look it up on the eBay. We’re d00m3d.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
fastest defense but also the most lazy D too
look Patrick Robinson was never meant to be a starter never had leadership and it showed all season gave up a huge play vs Miami which gave them the big TD at the end of the game Mangum was an overrated CB and Jamie Robinson took off plays just like Patrict, the only ones that put there heart out were the underclass players
no leadership
Myron Rolle should have stayed Patrick takes plays off look at the games dont tell me that he is a NFL corner just look at the highlights
just stop
Robinson is projected to be a 1st round pick.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
after all the miss tackles and looking confused on the zone coverage
a Cooper the Miami RB made him look like a fool
Nobody in the country asked ANY corner to do what we asked P-Rob to do
One on one with the best receiver for each team with virtually no safety help. Coverage for 5 seconds or more multiple times per game. Dude is a shutdown corner and will make his money in the NFL.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Dec 11, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the only game he preformed well was against Maryland
so you are going to credit him against Maryland? and maybe a half against UNC?
Noles didnt play great offenses, didnt play Texas, USC, Oregon they played Maryland BC Gtech UNC USF
only Florida Clemson and Miami had good offense
This wasn't a response to anything I stated
You’re not understanding what our defensive scheme asked him to do.
>>---l>
wasnt everything man to man?
Mickey didnt use much Zone
Yes. With very limited safety help.
He had to play each team’s #1 wideout in single man for huge amounts of time because we had 0 pass rush.
>>---l>
but it was due to weak recruiting
look he did a great job getting players before Antonio Cromartie (WR in highschool) turned CB he just could not win over the names in 07 08 most of the safeties he recuited were freshmen this season. Whose fault should that be?
I'm lost as well
actually I am not getting involved after just reading Lemus’s posts about Manuel starting over Ponder. You’re on your own tdchrisdavis.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
the funny thing is that i left the Ponder talk on the other page
but people won’t let things go
because it was beyond ridiculous
Hard to take somebody seriously that thinks FSU’s best interests lies in Ponder bolting for the NFL so Jimbo can “really open the playbook” for EJ in 2010.
EJ is perhaps better than Ponder at a few aspects (option reads, possibly bootlegs),but Christian might’ve been in New York right now if not for a separated shoulder and the worst ACC defense since 2004.
by The K-Man on Dec 12, 2009 12:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
im just trying to find out who should be blamed for the D?
Patrick Robinson? the Seniors on D or who people are telling me that Patrick is a great player.
To me he will never be the player or leader that Myron was
he was better than myron
the problem with the defense was everything. Poor DL, terrible safeties, awful coaching.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Patrick plays CB
Did you watch any games this year?
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa...
No need for hostility. It seems that Lemus is getting Patrick Robinson confused with Jamie Robinson.
Jamie Robinson was our Free Safety.
Patrick Robinson was a Corner.
Now
he has DKfromVa and MattDNole on a string. Move along nothing to see here.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
No
It may have appeared that way in our convoluted, clusterf*** that was the 2009 defense, but Jamie was a safety.
>>---l>
wait i thought his name was Patrick Jamie Robinson and he just played everywhere
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
J-Rob was a CB at first
P-Rob leapfrogged him in the rotation (and Micheal Ray Garvin as well) . Jamie played free safety the past two years after moving over. Patrick is a good corner, he was just asked to shadow the oppostions best WR every game. You cannot go 1 on 1 with the best WR, with no safety help, no pass rush and not give up plays. For comparison: UFAG never has to do that because Haden and Jenkins are about equal (Slight edge to Haden, and he’s a top ten pick). Plus they had Major Wright, Will Hill, and Ahmad Black behind them to read the quarterback’s eyes, diagnose routes and break on the ball.Not to mention two future NFL DE’s rushing the passer. Just contrast the personel and what Patrick and the UF corners were asked to do, BIG DIFFERENCE! Not sayin dude is Deion, but nobody can consistenly hold coverage for as long as he was asked to
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
you have asked me if im someone else more than once
i said NO already
Tremendous...
My personal favorite was that P. Rob should have never been a starter…
Robinson had a bad year I'll give you that Lemus
but he was our best corner and will be drafted in the second round.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
yes, that's where Kiper has him
Robinson will be a late 1st or early 2nd rounder.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
lets see how he does on the Senior Bowls and the Combine
hopefully he does well I heard Myron is going to the Combine so hopefully Myron gets picked and out shines Patrick
Rolle
goes 3rd-4th round.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
oh is Rolle guna do the combine?
i heard he wanted to but i didnt know if he was guna actually do it after being in england and wanting to start up a practice in the bahamas or wherever
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
I don't think he goes that high
He has no ball skills and is a poor tackler and you don’t start in the NFL w/ those deficiencies. he has made himself into a good cover corner so he can catch on as a nickle/dime type in the right situation. I think he drops to 3rd or 4th.
I think someone quoted Kiper
I think he goes second round. Haden from Fla. will be first cornerback taken.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I'm pretty sure you are talking about Kendall Smith
But then again, with all of your crazy posts you probably do think it was Robinson.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
by ItaliaNole on Dec 11, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
theres no way Myron would have stayed
he was a good ball player, but you cant pass up a Rhodes Scholarship
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
you are completely right
but that Nole D missed his leadership
Mangum was an overrated CB?
For one, he played rover this year.
Second of all, he really wasn’t “overrated” by anyone.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
How did he do against Oregon?
I heard he struggled with them.
44 points
Oregon has a great offense though.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
PAC 10 has the best collection of offensive coaches in football
Only Wazzu would trade their coach right now.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
A few PAC 10 teams run the spread
and Arizona did okay against them from what I hear. Plus, how do we know we will face many spread teams next year. We cannot assume UF’s offense will be the same with Jesus gone.
If this gets confirmed...
We will have a SERIOUS advantage in S Fla recruiting (Coley, Stoops, Gran). Looks like Genron spoke the trufffffe.
That alone could overcome “maybe” a dropoff from not getting Smart.
Like I posted before, “In Jimbo I Trust.”
E Spearibus Unum and all that.
Stay classy, Tallahassee!
by EConquered on Dec 11, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Petition to rename Dade county Leon County South!!
by TheGassyNole on Dec 11, 2009 8:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He won't be officially hired until Jimbo has a HC contract
According to our labrador retriever of an AD
>>---l>
I was hoping for someoone who would run a 3-4 defense
I just personally prefer it to the 4-3, I feel like you can hide your blitzes better with the LB’s.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
loved in the SECC game
when Lundquist/Danielson were literally hysterical that Saban was “Running A 4-3!!”. The Jack dropped down into 3 point stance because he read a key (imagine that, Mickey, studying film for the other teams tendencies — ok, I’ll lay off Mickey henceforth) that the shovel pass to Hernandez was coming. He came off the backside edge and dropped him for a loss. Your base D is really not very important these days. It’s personnel matchups on any given play that separate the men form the boys.
i noticed the same thing about the LB dropping to the line
have i mentioned how much i hate the CBS play by play?
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
jeez
there are many interpretations of this one, and all of them make me a little sick.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure we have the guys for a 3-4.
I like 3-4 defenses, too, but do we have the necessary linemen?
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
no we don't
as FSUn said, we don’t have a Cody or a Suh that can make this work.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
This one is pretty easy
Stoops runs a 3-4 until we get some hosses, then goes multiple. I would bet Fisher was convinced the guy has enough savvy to vary defenses though.
I don’t he is going to tell them to go out there and make some plays.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
by DocHoliday2 on Dec 12, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
you mean runs a 43 first?
I think we will use both from the getgo, mostly just 43 though.
I really hope to see us in a nickel and dime package more often than we were with Mickey.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 12, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Still curious about the mystery guy...
Hope this doesn’t mean Corey was wrong about Shaw and Green.
Ideas for a LB coach since he focuses on DB? Sunseri still?
Or I'd at least take the 2, I think.
I would think Diaz could help in S FL and I like Jones’ resume.
I think Stoops is the correct hire
Zona had a great season, they got TV exposure, made noise for the Rose Bowl, and competed vs a extremely talented Oregon team, he has coached some no names into players to make noise Sundays.
I also wanted the 34 but thinking about it...
I really just wanted change. I feel like one of those 18 year old Obama girls who had no idea what she was talking about.
Florida runs a 43. BC runs a 43. Bama shut down UF using a 43. There is no reason to think that a 34 is any better than a 43 in college ball. I think the best solution is to be multiple and adjust a bit to the offense.
I want a 34 also but..
If he is multiple then I am happy. Confusing QBs in the spread by giving them different looks and blitz angles is more then we did the past few years.
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
We have a winnner!
I will appreciate Fisher's dynasty more than I did Bowden's...
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 12, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I trust Jimbo that this was the best fit for us. All Stoops has to do is make Reid, Joyner, Harley, Demps, Moody, and Harris like 01 Miami (won’t be all that much to expect with their talent) and this is an amazing hire!
by NyNole13 on Dec 11, 2009 7:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"Nobody doesn't like Notre Dame."
Wow, Kelly, really?
Shouldn't you know how to avoid double negatives if your the ND coach?
You know, with all the higher academic standards and such.
You can't question the great Brian Kelly.
Touchdown Jesus judges thee!
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Leaving Cincy and going to ND
is a double negative
I will appreciate Fisher's dynasty more than I did Bowden's...
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 12, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
"You do not come to the University of Notre Dame because you want to be average."
Sounds similar to, “I’m here because you’re a 6-6 football team. And 6-6 just isn’t good enough, folks.” Or whatever Weis said when he took the job.
Career suicide for Kelly.
Man...It would suck to be a Hurricane fan right about now.
This has got to feel like a freight train of bad news for them.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions
Probably b/c of all the UF bad news...
WARNING: there may be an increase in Gator Nation suicides this off-season.
We covered that already.
Someone mentioned a suicide pact being made in a trailer park somewhere in Hogtown.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
That was me, but only with the stipulation that Meyer bolted for ND.
But, hell, I’m sure there’s some of them dumb enough to do it just because…
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Or because they have to live in Gainesville.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
That would be reason enough for me.
The few times I’ve been there have been like masturbating with a cheese grater – Slightly amusing, but mostly painful.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering the same thing
I can think of more than a few words I’d use to describe that and “amusing” never comes to mind.
by seminoleballer on Dec 12, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
it told my gator buddy on the phone today that gonzales is gone
he was shocked! could only say “well, it’s not like we won’t replace him with someone good.”
him and strong gone, us landing huge florida recruits… our future has much more certainty than theirs now.
by garnetandgold on Dec 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Florida replaced him with CMU's WR coach.
Zach Azzanni. Coached with Urban at Bowling green.
Incredibly white.
Yep
Yep Strong, Gonzalez and Tebow should be easily replaced.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
They will be
By Stoops, Gran and Ponder.
I will appreciate Fisher's dynasty more than I did Bowden's...
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 12, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
An excellent point someone else just made about Stoops
Paraphrased:
What’s more impressive is that he got Phillip Buchanan and Mike Rumph in the first round
Can't tell if this is sarcasm so I will answer...
…he was a CB who went in the 1st round to the Niners. Didn’t do much in the NFL. Don’t even think he’s in the league anymore, but the point is Stoops helped coach him up.
Wasn't doubting Stoops ability - I'm a fan of this hire.
seriously I’ve never heard of Rumph
Rumph flopped in the league
he never made it long enough to see a second contract.
Oh god please don't bring up Mike Rumph's name again
I’m a Niners fan and this dude use to fall down back peddling ala Gerad Ross
That's the point
He was able to take Rumph’s lack of ability and make him look like an NFL quality corner
by CelticPride on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
He expressed a bit of concern with Carter being let go.
He wanted to know who his position coach is. Unless the amount of CB is going to deter him (which I don’t think will), I fully expect him to remain a Nole. No big deal.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Gotcha
Wondered why CDrake asked about Brooks or Noel. Gave me the impression that if Brooks were to decommit, Noel could possibly take his spot.
I think so too.
I’d prefer Brooks like everyone else said. I just can’t see us signing that many DB’s. Greg Dent, Mike Harris, Lamarcus Joyner, Chad Abrams, Terrence Brooks is five. None of them are EE’s, unfortunately. With those two 2011 DB’s, I suspect Noel would only be allowed to re-commit is if Brooks decommited. Someone may argue with me on that because of the vast numbers we’re trying to bring in, but remember that only 25 can count towards this year. I suppose the only leeway is if 1) someone takes a greyshirt, 2) Greg Dent really does play WR.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
I think Dent plays WR
At least for a little while. He has great ball skills, so it isn’t a bad move—its just he looks like your stereotypical corner
Hopefully
The same way it affected Clemson when they had a Bowden on staff.
Why would he leave coaching for his Brother?
Since it’s a latteral move, more money?
I don't think it's as "lateral" as most think.
Success at AZ, credit goes to he and Mike
Success at FSU, credit goes to Mark.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 11, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
he will have much more at FSU
you think Jimbo will control the defense? He’s an offensive guy.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
whoops that was my bad
I misread what you wrote.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
If jimbo
Woulda sent coley to get Kirby smart, we would have had a dc two weeks ago!!!
by egynole on Dec 11, 2009 7:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Probably would've had Urban putting touch-up coats of blue and orange in TK's urinal.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Goodbye Bowden Bowl, Hello Stoops Bowl
Brother vs brother next year in Norman. Let the hype begin. Can’t hurt recruiting in S. Fla for Stoops to tell kids about the ballers he groomed at the U. That is a sick list of players he coached.
ok, saban wanted him as his DB coach for the dolphins, will muschamp recommended him, he’s learned form Butch Davis, Leavitt, and Stoop’s, all very well regarded defensive minds, and he’s 43 years old with two tours of duty in Florida
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm fine with Stoops.
What it says to me is Jimbo’s gunning for South Florida in a big way. I’d be concerned if I were the ’Canes, because I think the momentum and production is going to hurt them.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Based off of his Rivals.com profile, he's not a huge recruiter for U of A.
I would think as long as any of our coaches pull their weight and don’t force the heavylifters on our staff to work double we’ll be fine. I also think Stoops should probably only go after DB recruits. That should be his focus, imo. He just has to name the impressive list of guys he helped put in the NFL and recruits will listen.
http://floridastate.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=530&Team=4&Sport=1&Year=2010
Im not excited
I wanted a bigger name. It really looks like jimbo is looking down Miami so that’s a good move. hope his staff is great
by atlnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not Cowher.
We can’t afford the stadium expansion fitting his chin would require.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
True.
It’ll come in handy with Holtz in town this weekend, too.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 12, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
How man coaches do we have left to hire?
LB’s, 1 other D coach and a TE coach? And S&C.
we can hire 4 more
does S&C count towards that total?
I would like a DE coach, LB coach, and maybe a S/CB coach – whichever Stoops doesn’t coach
Coley should still coach TEs next year.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
we have room for 4 though
CB and S are different. I wouldn’t mind 2 coaches for them.
The question is will Jimbo still coach QBs or do we get a new guy for that?
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
that leaves 3
and you are assuming we hire Craig.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Mickey coached both types of DBs well for years. Stoops has coached both for yaers, too.
This is how I see our coaches shaking out:
HC – Fisher
OC/TE – Coley
OL – Trickett
RB – Gran
WR – Dawsey
QB – Craig
DC/DB – Stoops
DT – Haggins
LB
DE
SC
Fisher still plays a huge part with the QBs, but delegates his authority to Craig while he oversees the other units of the team.
ST, yes. I forgot to mention that.
One of our position coaches will likely double as ST coach. I don’t see us hiring a separate coach for that.
And tdchrisdavis, my list shows 11 spots, right? Isn’t that all we’re allowed? SC counts towards the 11.
Eleven coaches listed: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/fsu-m-footbl-mtt.html#coaches
Wasn't Gran the ST coach at UT as well as RB?
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
yes but he may be the recruiting C here
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 12, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Correct.
If Coley goes to OC you don’t want him as OC and RC. It also depends who we hire with our final two spots. We could have Haggins take over DL and hire MLB and ILB or hire LB and either a CB or S coach and let Stoops take the other.
We could also have Haggins take DL, hire an LB coach, have stoops do DB and hire a separate ST coach. Hmm, intriguing. I would love to hire Jones at DE, though, and he also has experience at RC, but not at ST, I don’t believe. He could do RC and Gran could do ST in that scenario.
I thought someone said S+C doesn't count
If it does then nevermind.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 12, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure it does.
Bobby
Jimbo
Dawsey
Trickett
Carter
Coley
Mickey
Amato
Haggins
Allen
That’s only 10. We get 11, right? Stroud makes 11. I am not 100% positive on that, hence my question mark, but from what I’ve been reading I’m pretty sure that’s how it is.
From seminoles.com
Coaches
Bobby Bowden – Head Coach
Chuck Amato – Executive Head Coach/Linebackers
Mickey Andrews – Associate Head Coach/ Def. Coordinator
Jimbo Fisher – Offensive Coordinator / Quarterbacks
Rick Trickett – Asst. Head Coach / Offensive Line
Jody Allen – Defensive Ends Coach/Special Teams Coord
Lawrence Dawsey – Wide Receivers Coach
Odell Haggins – Defensive Tackles Coach
Dexter Carter – Running Backs Coach
James Coley – TE Coach/Recruiting Coordinator
Todd Stroud – Head Football Strength and Speed Coach
Are you saying
Trickett is definitely out of it for Marshall? I hope that is what you are implying.
Can we really trust a Ginger to run our defense?
We’ll see.
by The K-Man on Dec 11, 2009 7:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Red Power - Red Power - Red Power - Red Power - Better red than dead - Better red than dead - Better red than dead.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course the fact that he has even made it over 40 years old means he is one tough bastard. That age is rare for his kind.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 11, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
actually i have inside incformation that he's only a day-walker
we’re gonna be ok
Ginger
Soon he’ll be mentioned alongside all of the other great gingers, like… um… Ron Howard. And also… um… oh, there was…. um… Ron Howard?
by seminoleballer on Dec 12, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent Hire
I live out in Arizona and am subjected to a lot of PAC10/UA/ASU football on the radio/TV and have gotten to know the Stoops brothers pretty well. Mark will make an excellent DC, what he as done with UA will translate even better to FSU with the talent pool we have.
This is going to be the longest off season ever!!!
by Desert Renegade on Dec 11, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions
Nice
At least it is finally over. He should do well with the talent level at FSU. If we couldn’t get Smart that’s o.k. Stoops is a better hire than Sunseri. Like people said above I expect to see some 4-3 from now on. Oklahoma game next year should be very interesting.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Damn
we have to play the Sooners. I guess SOS won’t be a problem.
schedule next year
Home-Florida, BYU, N. Carolina, Clemson, BC, Wake Forest
Away-Oklahoma, Miami, NC State, Virginia, Maryland
one more game is slipping my mind right now. Uncensored can fill in the blank I’m sure.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Or CSI Nole can fill it in:)
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
lol well ya if hasnt killed Ann by that point
but it would be the perfect game to honor him….first game, team he coached for…stuff……things….
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Bobby who?
;)
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
No need
I can go off the top of my head and CSI Nole can fill in the rest.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I'll be there representing.
Here’s to kicking big brother’s $##$@!!!!
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
BYU is not a problem IMO
Plus Stoops knows how to gameplan them anyways.
We hired a Stoops specifically for the next 2 years playing OU
Jimbo will fire him in 2012. :)
Whatever works, right?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
by JMB on Dec 11, 2009 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't figure we'd get Smart
I’m not as worried about the name as I am about Stoops fit with what Jimbo wants.
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
by JMB on Dec 11, 2009 8:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just want to remember where I was when WC broke this story.
I remember I was someplace…
by TEMPORARY LIKE ACHILLES on Dec 11, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions
Outside the Lines
Y’all check out my fanpost. We need to get out in front of this BS.
Pcolanole
by Pcolanole on Dec 11, 2009 8:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm sure
Jimbo divulged to Lamrcus Joyner that we were hiring the best DB coach to be our DC influenced his decision.
I remember Stoops name was brought up in almost every conversation with SFLA
recruits when he was at MIA. So he should definately be a plus on the recruting trail.
The momentum
Of this program is truly overwhelming right now..
by TheGassyNole on Dec 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
fsw83 please drop your bong and step away from the keyboard
Jenije is a lost cause.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
you don't need to 'drop it' - just set it down gently
you’ll need it later
I wish we had another year of Mangum
He would turn Mangum into the next Ed Reed.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
during the ceremony for seniors during the maryland game ppl around me were clapping for him
and i turned around with a “seriously?!” look and theyre like “were happy this is his last game!” so then i joined in lol
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
I hope this doesn't come across as hyperbole
but Mangum is the worst player in division 1 football.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 11, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
The kids at the military academies
have to play a sport, it’s not an option.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Dec 12, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't want to beat a dead horse
Mangum literally does nothing right. He sucks in one-on-one coverge, help coverage, and run support, not to mention his tackling skills are horrific.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
he does a great job at sucking
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
by NorFla_Nole on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats what she said...
I had to try it just once
I sincerely hope he graduates
His official major is social sciences. I hope he puts it to good use because football just isn’t in the cards for him.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 11, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
He's gonna surprise us all
And become the next big time, up and coming DB coach in college football.
Oftentimes the worst players make the best coaches
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 11, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
the only way that happens is if he hires ctc and allen to coach along w/ him
the trifecta of competence
He will teach all of the kids
How to suck more and allow more big plays. He was terrible and I am glad I do not have to see him on the field any longer.
He'll just show game film of himself, say, "Don't do this," and watch the 1st team All-American honors roll in.
Kinda works on the same principle that ex-crackheads make the best drug prevention spokespeople.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
He will be the Gator Bowl MVP and make you eat your words.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
If that happens I'm loading up on guns and canned food in preparation for the End of Days.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 12, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Man just looking at who he's recruited at Arizona according to rivals
I must admit I was extremley underwhelmed. Don’t know if there info is not accurtate or he’s been slacking off since he left Miami but it definately suprised the hell out of me.
Well they do like to call Arizona the "Harvard of the West"
So maybe he had academics restrictions to deal with….reaching
Arizona, the Harvard of the West?
Seems like a bit of a stretch.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Elam decided on FU finally?
Go, Jeff, go!
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
he better not make Luc angry...
…you dont wanna see him when hes angry
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
I would love to see updated scores.
Any websites you know of? I’m still in Tally.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Nevermind.
http://www.floridacast.com/play/index.cfm?fuseaction=embstay&id=151FE0334C
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Yep.
Here ya go. Right side of the page: http://www.pbgametime.com/
by Drew J Jones on Dec 11, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's probably just too excited about being a Nole.
It’s gotta be hard to concentrate on HS ball with everything that’s going on at FSU right now ;o) Come on, he’s just excited to get to Tally and start raking in the wins!!
by seminoleballer on Dec 12, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
5A finals
Plant will beat Manatee – guaranteed.
by horsepowernole on Dec 11, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
We are putting together one of the best defensive classes in decades, not to mention that he would be playing along side of already noles like:
Jacobbi McDaniel
Nigel Bradham
Greg Reid
Demonte McAllister
Everitt Dawkins
Nigel Carr
This is going to be a scary freakin defense to face. With him @ safety with Joyner, Harris, Brooks, Reid etc in our secondary—how could he not want to come here?
He will get so much early playing time its ridiculous
Jeff Luc is at the Dwyer game tonight
Recruiting matt elam.. Friend of mine who covers high school sports just tweeted
by TheGassyNole on Dec 11, 2009 9:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Friends with Ken LaVicka of ESPN 760
But I’ve met Jason a few times… Interned at the pb post for awhile after I graduated
by TheGassyNole on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fisher & Dawsey
are at the Lakeland v. Plant game. Plant winning 20-0 in 4th. Dungy’s son supposedly headed to FSU.
Its OK
they’ll read this and fix it.
by horsepowernole on Dec 11, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
After we lost to end the season, dotty wrote some “article” about something or other. The little abstract said something like “At 6-6, this is Bowden’s worst regular season since his first, in 1976.” I let it slide for like 30 minutes but no one corrected it. So in the thread that he always posts the story in, I said “Your information is wrong. We went 6-6 in 2006, too.”
I don’t know how anyone could forget that. And I got a “warning” for making that comment.
Nice job on breaking the story guys.
The first I heard about Mark Stoops being a possibility was right here on TN.
FWIW I like the hire.
FSU = The Sleeping Giant
Welcome aboard, Coach Stoops!
Squad up.
I like the hire.
Smart was my first choice, but Stoops seems to be a great d coordinator. I trusted Jimbo to make the right choice, and I believe this is. Welcome aboard Mark!!
More info on Stoops
Here is a link to his Bio on Arizona Website. Some of you may have seen it already but has a lot of info on it.
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/stoops_mark00.html
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
on my way
i just need to stop by the rouse, bright and footman residence
its going to be a great class!
I think we need to stop thinkng about these guys.
If they really cared they would be suiting up in garnet and gold already. How hard is it to get a 2.0 gpa and get a crappy score on an easy test. They had the whole world in front of them and they did not give a crap. I thin k it is better to talk about the people who care and respect FSU than wory about the people that have gone by the wayside.
whoooooosshh
000111’s joke totally went over your head. The Mizell, Downs, other 5* talent nonqualifiers, et al joke is iconic in these threads. This should be prime material for the first run of the TN Welcome Guide.
One thing FSU will likely struggle with next year is pattern-reading.
Since FSU has literally NEVER done it, the concept will seem entirely foreign to everyone on defense. I would expect a huge struggle on defense next year, probably similar to this year. However, the season after should be when it “clicks.”
For example, Ohio State was a pure man coverage team in the 90’s. Exactly like FSU, really. But spread teams (Purdue) began airing it out and killing OSU. When Jim Tressel was hired, he installed a 43 Under Pattern-Reading defense. In 2001, the Bucks were carved up consistently by inferior teams as the defense struggled to pick up the newly sophisticated scheme.
Then, in 2002, the Buckeyes defense utterly dominated opponents and ended up doing this to “the greatest team of all-time” and nearly killing their quarterback on the way:
I remember that game
Isn’t that the one where the OSU threw a fake penalty flag on the last play of the game, and the spineless official was forced to take credit?
I still to this day remember watching that thinking “My God, The officials just stole a NC from Miami”…
Anyway, the game should have never made it to OT.
Officials screwed up twice and forced the Bucks to punt when they could have run the clock.
And Miami had the ball 1st and Goal on the 1 yard line. They couldnt’ get 1 yard on four tries. It’s natural for Miami fans to hold onto that call as it led to their dynasty ending. That is literally the last time they were relevant on the national scene in CFB. But it isn’t factually correct and the myth has been promulgated for far too long.
Ha Ha!!! Nothing better than a buckeye making a case for the 2002 MNC!!!
I could care less…I just thought the PI call was pretty bogus.
Really? I was kinda rooting for them for some reason
I guess it’s that ‘If it’s gonna be someone, may as well be them.
Funny, I didn’t feel that way about UF this year against Bama.
Weird how that works.
Ohio State hasn't manned up in a big game since
Despite all the free championships they’ve won in that athletically inept conference
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny how OSU
Will take credit for the game that ended Miami’s national “relevance”, but won’t take credit for being on the business end of two BEATDOWNS that made UFAG and LSU relevant again
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 12, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
I spent much of my youth in Ohio and I honestly may hate Ohio State more than Florida and Miami. Depends on my mood, I guess.
I'm with you
I live in Cincinnati. I hate OSU more than UM but probably not more than FU.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
I did too!
In fact, my parents met at OSU. I was born in Columbus and raised in Akron and Medina. (Moved south and finished High School in Panama City.) My dad used to travel down with his friend to the Michigan game sometimes. I just can’t hate OSU. Sorry.
I would expect more banjo at first.
It’s a nice transition between what we currently do and what we want to do. FSU used to teach a bit of pattern reading, but it was very basic stuff.
I am very encouraged that Saban wanted Stoops to be his DC for the Dolphins. To me, that tells me he can teach pattern reading with the best of them (like a Harbison or Smart).
by Bud Elliott on Dec 11, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was DB coach not DC
but regardless, as many have said on here, Saban knows coaches.
God, I love Coley's twitter
“Don’t call it a comeback – It’s in UR face – It’s the SOUND of 83,000 STRONG – It’s a PACK of coaches, relentless to get what they WANT…”
Selgy
Coley is
an animal! I’m glad he’s on my side…
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
From the Democrat:
He has produced a number of all-conference defenders during his career, including Arizona’s Antoine Cason, the 2007 Jim Thorpe Award winner and eventual first-round NFL selection.
The year before Stoops arrived in Tucson, the Wildcats ranked 109th in the nation in total defense, allowing 460 yards per game. The next year, with Stoops at the helm, the defense was 61st in the country and allowed 81 yards less per game.
The Arizona defense has gotten progressively better since he took over and is currently ranked 21st in the nation in total defense. Arizona is allowing just 315 yards per game in the offensively dominated Pac-10 conference.
So who wins the Jim Thorpe award first?
Greg Reid or Lemarcus Joyner?
"We had a little come-to-Jesus meeting. And it was fire and brimstone." Jimbo Fisher on his halftime adjustments.
by Yarborough4Heisman on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
At least
"We had a little come-to-Jesus meeting. And it was fire and brimstone." Jimbo Fisher on his halftime adjustments.
by Yarborough4Heisman on Dec 11, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Reason to believe we'll do better than his improvement 1st year at UA
Think about all the freshmen we ended up playing this year, and how many of those freshmen (and true sophomores) received significant playing time at their positions. That will always result in a pretty bad defense. Now, the hope is that learning under Stoops will result in actual progression in their development.
I think we field a top 40 defense or better (max 35)
I can't see us being top 40.
We lose Robinson and Watson, a very good player and a very solid player. I’m not expecting any newcomer to put up Watson ‘08 numbers or Robinson ’07 numbers. While I don’t think much of them, we also lose 3 veteran DTs, 1 veteran DE, and 2 veteran S’s.
We lost a similar number of defensive players from ’08’s team and we really struggled this year. While we should have much better coaching, the learning of the new systems should temper the expectations some. I would be happy with 60th, and then top 40 in 2011, and consistently top 25 thereafter.
Mangum gets a bad rap.
White stunk. McNeil stunk. J Robinson stunk. Bradham was very bad at times. So was P Robinson. Stewart, Mincey and Thacker had minimal impact. Smith and Carr are merely average. Mangum is just the last line of defense, so when he gets beat it’s obvious. But HOW many other guys didn’t do their job on those plays Mangum’s getting beat on? Some DE running our of position on a running play or not getting a pass rush on a passing down, LBs taking horrible angles or completely whiffing on tackles. Mangum was bad, but even if we had Chris Hope back there we’d still have been pathetic on D.
Agreed
my main reason is no depth. At DL you have Dawkins, who I think will become a very good DE, McCray, who has shown me nothing, McDaniel, who has talent but is really a situational player as a pass rushing DT, and White, who is terrible. Jenkins should be a LB. then what? At LB, Bradham, Jenkins, Smith (who is terrible), Carr (who I think is way overrated) and Alexander (who is a situational 3rd down LB). then what? At DB, you have Reid, who is probably still too raw to be your featured CB, Jenije, who is completely overmatched, Moody, who I think will develop to become pretty good, and Parks, by default, although I’m not sure he actually had a statistic last yr. Our quality starters (Dawkins, McDaniel, Bradham, Jenkins, Reid, Moody) are still incredibly young and most of our 2nd string will not have played a down of college FB. There will be improvement just b/c they’ll be coached, but the big improvement comes the 2nd yr of new regime. Then, if everything goes right, D becomes top 25 3rd yr.
Fun with Tennessee
The SEC is looking into Tennessee’s recruiting at St Thomas Aquinas (Ft Lauderdale). From
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/sports/ncaafootball/12tennessee.html
“… the SEC was looking into the actions of a Tennessee recruiting intern, Steve Rubio, who flew to South Florida with Coach Lane Kiffin recently and visited the athletic powerhouse St. Thomas Aquinas High School in Fort Lauderdale.”
Article includes an interesting photo of the Tenesseee “hostesses” with Corey Miller and Brandon Willis as well.
some vol fans have tried to defend this by saying
that they had girls drive long distances to see them.
Of course, if they had sex with those girls then it doesn’t really help their argument, as 38 pointed out.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 12, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Ain't nuthin' wrong with what them thair girls are doin'.
Shee-yut! Muh sistur usetuh drive a hundert miles roun-trip tuh get a piece of this sweet, sweet lovin’. Vols, bitch!!
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
Those girls would not make me choose a specific school, if anything it would turn me away from a school, especially the one on the left.
Have they seen the women at FSU? Cause those girls are like 4 or 5s on our campus.
"One score and fourteen years ago FSU brought us Bobby Bowden, a future legend, conceived in winning fashion, and dedicated to the proposition that all Seminoles are better than gators and 'canes" - Abra'Nole Lincoln
by Abra'Nole Lincoln on Dec 12, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Is the blonde that Pearl girl?
She look purrty good to me. If I were a high school kid and some college chick threw herself at me like that I’d be on her like white on rice. She’d fit right in at FSU, imo.
That other girl, though? Uh, get away from me…?
Quick joke......
What do you get when you combine the entire UT cheerleading squad? A full set of teeth!
Also...
Also on Friday, Keith Easterwood, a veteran summer basketball coach, said that on a visit last year with his son, a football recruit, he had to ask a hostess to stop brushing her breasts against both him and his son.
He recalled saying, "Young lady, if you don’t stop doing that, we’ve got a problem."
Easterwood said that he took a group of basketball players to a Western Kentucky football game at Tennessee this year, and that the presence of the hostesses had his players "literally reduced to blubbering idiots."
"I’ve been up there five times, four for football and one basketball visit," Easterwood said. "My observation is that this is a very organized operation. These girls have obviously been groomed. There’s a lot of eye contact and touching."
by Bud Elliott on Dec 12, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
DAMN!
You have Ed Ogeron and Lance Thompson as your chiefs recruiters, but you need dolled up 19 year olds to close the deal? Highest paid staff in the SEC for what?!!!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 12, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Heck, if I was that father and I were single...
Assuming it was one of the few attractive Orange Priders. The group pictures I saw didn’t show very many 8+ girls.
I know that is one of the main things kids think about.
If you are that weak minded to give in to that type of thing… I am sure there will be plenty of females ready to bang those guys in Tally.
Dad cock blocked his son
that is messed up
Now I see why
these kids de-commited to us, commited to Tenn, have said hell no to reconsidering, and in fact, plan on enrolling early. The have unfinished business to handle !
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 12, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Just a couple a knuckle heads on their way to play for a knuckle head coach
I don’t want to say anything bad about them—but they look kind of dumb right now as the dates that they decommited almost perfectly coinside with their decommitment from FSU.
They don’t appear to be the type of guys who think with their head.
I hope we find Tennessee on the field and finish our business there.
I smelled something fishy too.
I had no reason to hate TN before that. I just had a feeling that something weird was going on.
I see what you did there.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
What degree did you earn in Knoxville???
Everyone heard of the MRS degree, but going to UT to earn your H.O. degree???? Stay Classy Kiffin!
I just read that article, literally 30 seconds before you put it up.
Can you see Easterwoods kid, as the girls walk away…
“G*d D*mn it, dad!”
by DamonH on Dec 12, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You are reading my mind 38
I was thinking the same thing. I can’t help but think of UF defensive coordinators and OU coaches when I hear the name Stoops. He had better be good.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Doc, WDH1981 says hello....
And wants to know your opinion on this new “Stoops” fellow?
Damon,
And wants to know your opinion on this new Stoops “FELLER.”
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
It sounds pretty good to me
Saban was going to hire him and he doesn’t hire anybody who can’t coach. That is one reason I wanted Smart.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Outside the Lines
Are any of you guys up on this?
How bad is this going to be? And why is f***ing espn picking on us about this? It’s not like we’ve been winning any championships lately, and I promise you that many of the players most lavishly praised on espn and elsewhere are classified as “learning disabled” by their universities in order to keep them eligible. And didn’t the Atlanta Journal Constitution find the FU’s football team had the fourth lowest SAT average in D1 and the biggest discrepancy between the incoming SAT scores of their regular students and those of their football team?
http://www.ajc.com/homefinder/content/sports/stories/2008/12/28/acadmain_1228_3DOT.html
Yawn.
I do not really care about this any longer. It sucks, but blah, blah, blah. We did the correct thing and self reported. Now I think we know what the correct thing to do is…. “We did WHAT wrong?” We told the NCAA we were cheating. If we had denied, who knows what would have happened. It goes toshow ou that nice guys really do finish last (just a saying).
Have any of the television/NCAA people taken online classes?
I have taken them and I am pretty sure that they were setup for cheating. You would be stupid not to take a look at a textbook during a test.
You would be stupid
to set it up so that there isn’t an independent proctor administering the test in a testing center. Hence, we were beyond stupid.
I just finished up an online class at a community college and I had to drive to campus to their testing center, sign in, have my ID checked and have the proctor enter some password into the test program (that wouldn’t allow me to open other windows other than the test).
I’m not sure if we did some or none of those, but damn.
I took online classes
around the same time as those guys. It was like a free for all. I feel as though you might be victim of the aftermath of the Bowden collapse.
I took an online at FSU...
and I had to do something similar to that. But from what I understand the athletes that cheated had to go through the same thing. Except the proctors were the one giving the answers and they were finishing the test in like 5 min with a 100%
What I don’t understand is, that it was music! Come on! Music! Why do you need to cheat?
"One score and fourteen years ago FSU brought us Bobby Bowden, a future legend, conceived in winning fashion, and dedicated to the proposition that all Seminoles are better than gators and 'canes" - Abra'Nole Lincoln
by Abra'Nole Lincoln on Dec 12, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Young coaches
I like the excitement that our young, active coaches will bring to the team next year. I can see them flying around the field getting pumped up.
And Mark Stoops is actually only 42 according to his Arizona bio, not 43 as the article says.
Stoops "fit" and 2010 defensive roster?
Is Stoops a good fit with the Saban-style team that Jimbo is building?
And which defensive players do you think Jimbo will cut (if any)?
Well Stoops has a name and we have the recruiters
What are we going to do with the LB we need a great LB coach now and Odeal need to get back to his roots. I trust the the DBs should improve.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
What's in a name?
Names haven’t been very good to FSU lately. I hope Stoops brings more than a name.
FSUn..correction needs to be made to the article...
he has been at Az for 6 years. 2nd paragraph says “In his three years at Arizona”
Talk about BIG shoes to fill.
I was curious to see who Jimbo picked and was a little suprised but i’m glad to see that Stoops runs a 4-3 D which is what i prefer. I hope Cummings can contribute right away and help make our D line a force to be reckoned with again. Knowing that Stoops is a former DB coach comforts me to. Because he can coach up these young playmakers we have coming in. We need an outstanding LB coach to compliment this. If our D line can control the run and get pressure without blitzing our speedy LB’s can drop back and read the QB. I’m so exctied to see how diffrent we are on D next year. If our offense is the same we will be a force to be reckoned with in the ACC. CP7 for 2010 Heisman!. GO NOLES! KEEP IT 3RD AND MANAGEABLE
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Dec 12, 2009 11:05 AM EST reply actions
4th and out of FG range!
3rd and long didn’t help much when we kept giving up the big play for the 1st.
I started to watch their game vs USC on espn360...
I was going to jot down notes on each play, but the unbearable commentary by Mike Patrick and poor camera angles makes this a very difficult task. When I’m not sure if they are in cover 4 or cover 2, I know I’m not doing it right.
I did notice a few things on USC’s first 2 drives though:
1. well timed blitz. LBs moved in just as ball was snapped. Barkley ended up getting like 15 or 20 yards running up the middle on the play but he was under pressure and a LB missed a tackle. Shoulda been a loss.
2. Stay in their 43. USC had 5 WR and Arizona still used a 43.
3. Alert corners. They kept throwing quick hitches to the slot but the boundary corner kept coming up and making the tackle.
4. Don’t rope over much. USC had trips one time and the OLB on that side was leaving the slot WR uncovered. They ran a pitch to that side that got about 7 yards, but a bubble screen might have gone for even more.
It also looked like their DL was pretty close together
I’m not sure if this was due to the camera angle being low because that makes a big difference. Still, I think their DEs are relatively in tight and not spread out too far.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 12, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
that may be a team by team adjustment..
if USC is known to run the ball up the middle more between their tackles as opposed to pitching it to the outside.
true
It’s hard to get a read on a defense without watching them a lot.
And I don’t have the patience to do that. I wish there was some way to watch all of their defensive plays in sequence with the coach’s view camera. That would be great.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 12, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
just finished watching it on ESPN360
very impressed with their secondary but not so much their front 7. They were good at making open field tackles and just making tackles in general. From what I noticed, in the 2nd half, they went to a zone defense for the most part and sometimes were in 5-3, 4-4 defense but a lot of 5-2 with just a rover safety to stop the run since the corners were play pretty good 1 on 1 defense with the receivers. Another reason for the DE to be tight was USC does not have a mobile quaterback (Barkley is -31 yards rushing on the year, which is like +60 if you take out the sack yards). Its easier to get to the pocket passing QB with the DE’s tight with little or no threat of the QB running.
That was a big win for Arizona.
On the road against a team with alot more talent. I remember watching some of that game and thinking, “Man, Arizona is well prepared for this game.”
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 12, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
DamonH
As you recall I have defended Fisher from day one, even when he was called field goal Fisher. It was a case of bandwagon fans who thought FSU should win the national title in his first year with Jeff Bowden recruits.
I have always known we had the real deal and we have. It takes some time but you can’t undo the Bowden nepotism debacle over night. Bobby had lost it but you cannot continue to blame the new blood for that.
Recruits are understanding the “process” and it looks like we are very close to a defensive tackle from Mainland, “Kirksey” which is what we need to move forward next season. We need DTs for Ginger man to work with.
Miami is very afraid of current FSU coaches. They are establishing a base there and asking recruits if they want to play for a team with no stadium, no fan base in a pro stadium in a faltering economy.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I trust Jimbo's decision also
however the the numbers Andrew Carters just posted on his blog look rather pedestrian, though there was improvement.
I think the important thing to remember is the caliber athlete he will likely be able to get here vs Az, and the improved defensive supports staff under Fisher’s guidance.
Excellent point.
I’ve always believed these were huge advantages for FSU over Miami. However there are two advantages Miami has that cannot be changed or at least very difficult to change.
1. Location, location, location. Anyone who has been exposed to Miami, I have 3 uncles that dedicated fans, knows the explosion Miami football was that program had an epiphany of the gold mine of talent surrounding them. In 1980 Howard Schnellenberger declared from Orlando down was the sovereign state of Miami. the battle lines were drawn. Bobby to his credit didn’t pay any attention to it. Until Spurrier came in, UF generally heeded the warning.
2. One of the early local recruits was a linebacker named Randy Shannon. Football probably, nay did save his life. Most of his siblings are dead from criminal or drug related events. I honestly think he is one of the great stories in college football. When he goes to houses in some these challenged neighborhoods like Liberty City, he knows how to relate on a level I’m not sure anyone on FSU staff can.
That being said, I love our respective advantages you point out, but Miami and Randy Shannon are not exactly shaking in their Nike’s.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Not to be cavalier but
Shannon is a great story and I am sure he can relate, but I like the Coley story better. He has lived in the Miami area and he got out. This should also be something you can sell recruits on. Get out now! Watch the gunfire in your rear view mirror.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
LB coach, T-Buck...
Does anyone have any news and/or thoughts re who Stoops might be considering for Linebacker coach? Any thoughts as to whether he will consider T-Buck for D-backs coach, or with Stoops experience there will he handle the D-backs himself. It seems to me that as DC, with the potentially overwhelming level of responsibilities, it would be advantageous to have a protege working the DBs under his supervision/tutelage. Also, does he bring in a DE coach or can Haggins handle the entire D-line?
T-Buck can take another year as a GA or go elsewhere
I don’t want him as a coach right now. He wasn’t really a technically sound player when he played and usually good coaches were good technique guys not great athletes. Only if TBuck goes elsewhere and proves himself do I want him on staff.
Hargreaves has been mentioned for LB’s
Hargeaves from ECU?
He’s a pretty good lb coach. I remember him from the days he was at the Canes.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Did Stoops and Hargreaves
coach together at UM?
Yes.
They were both at MIami together.
Here is a profile of Hargreaves: http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hargreaves_vernon00.html
Here is a profile of Stoops: http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/stoops_mark00.html
Both guys look to be solid choices as they have gotten the job done at the various schools they’ve coached at and should also have recognition from So. Fla. HS coaches.
Don't know Hargreaves,
where is he currently and what’s his background and his connection w/ Stoops?
Hargreaves is DE at ECU.
And ST. But I’d imagine saying he coached Jonathan Vilma, Dan Morgan and DJ Williams, among others, resonates louder than whatever DE’s he’s coached at ECU.
I’m noticing a decidedly STRONG south Florida feel.
Yeah he is a DE coach
Only because Hudson, EC’s defensive coordinator handles linebackers. Hargreaves is known for his LB coaching background though. He was a good coach when he was at Miami.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Isn't Gran also a ST coordinator at UT?
It will be nice to have a lot of Special Teams experience on staff for a change.
Good points
about T-Buck. That seems to be true in most sports, great natural atheletes usually dont make the best coaches whereas guys with less abilities had to be students of the game to succeed. Same is true with professors, the really brilliant ones usually suck as teachers.
To be fair on Buckley he was alot more sound and less flashy when he got older
With the Packers he was a Dre’ Bly type of CB but he was a really smart player with the Pats who Bellicheck liked alot.
I was coached by Mark Stoops at a camp in Lakeland in the summer of '01
he was assigned to our group but didn’t offer much coaching/teaching.. too busy keeping an eye on the kids from McCarthur HS.
Coach Stoopid was his nickname to the campers
Trying to get myself jazzed up about the Stoops hire, but haven't been able to yet
I not quite sure why maybe it’s that he’s a Stoops and I’ve been condition not to like them, lol. One thing that bothers me and was some what suprising was how inactive he seems to be in recruting for such a young guy. I looked back a some of the recruting classes and stories of the recruits during his Miami years because I remember when he coached their and was surprised I didn’t see his name brought up more by the recruits.
Originaly thinking back I thought he was a far more involved in recruiting than he apparently was looking at old articles and recruting stories from the years he was at UM. My memory of his past recruting prowess probably got a little inflated by him stealing away two heavy Nole leans I was big fans of one year (Willie Cooper & Jon Beason) those two guys loved him, but outside of them I don’t recall and haven’t read about any big gets that he recruited that weren’t already big ’Cane’s fans.
Not to keep harping on recruting but looking back at his stint in Arizona it’s a bit dissapointing to see his or his school’s lack of success in recruting or even getting the “Big Name” recruits from his state to even seriously consider ‘Zona. Back in the ’07 recruiting cycle Everson Griffen was tabbed the #1 recruit in the nation and the home state school couldn’t even get a visit. And then in last year recruting cycle what seemed to be an unusualy good year in the state for “Big Name” players you had 2 top 10 DE’s (Devon Kennard & Craig Roh) and a top 10 DT (Corey Adams) in the state and none of them even gave Arizona an offical despite the excitment in the state caused by a winning record for the first time since 1998.
Others things that still bother me a little are the size of Arizona’s DL. Looking at the roster this year they have 1 guy on it who weighs over 300 pounds they also have a starting LB weighing 215 and and a upper classmen LB on the 2 deep weighing 201 pounds. Again I don’t know if this is his or his brother philosophy or just a neccesity but I’m hoping for bigger 7 man fronts than he has used at Arizona and we’ve had here in the past. Personaly I’d rather have a front 4 that’s stout against the run and let my back 7 make the exsplosive plays, and that seems more attainable with a bigger DL. I’m sick of seeing lightweight rush ends tire out and get engulffed by men with close to 100 pounds on them at the end of games while their teams ram it down our throats.
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