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Outside the Lines Sunday will Slam FSU

Looks like ESPN is going to slam us on Sunday.  I sent it to FSUn.  Hopefully he can get in front of this one.  Send this info out NOLES!

Subject: Florida State University Refutes ESPN Program This message has been approved by Lawrence G. Abele, Provost and Executive Vice President for Academic Affairs, for distribution to all faculty and staff.
For your information:
To: Florida State Alumni, Friends and Supporters
From: Athletics Director Randy Spetman
Re: Dec. 13 ESPN "Outside the Lines" program
Date: Dec. 11, 2009

Dear Florida State Supporter:

I want to let you know about an upcoming ESPN "Outside the Lines" television program that we know will portray the academic profile of student-athletes and the admissions and retention process at The Florida State University in a negative way. The promotions for this program already have shown that it contains false information.

Therefore, I and other top administrators have called and e-mailed Vince Doria, vice president of News at ESPN who has oversight of "Outside the Lines," to report our concerns and urge the network not to air this program. That e-mail follows, and we encourage you to read it. We also have chosen not to grant the producer of this program interviews that were requested of Florida State University President T.K. Wetherell and football Head Coach Bobby Bowden, and we wanted you to know why.  We want you to understand we are very limited in how we can respond to this type of editorial reporting. Federal law prohibits theuniversity from divulging academic information about individual students, even if it would be positive to us. The university also is being sued by one of the sources for this "Outside the Lines" story.An accurate view of student-athletes' admission and retention at Florida State would reflect that the university admits hundreds of student-athletes who are talented in the classroom as well as in their sport. For example, student-athletes have been three of the last four Rhodes Scholars finalists, and two of them were recipients. Along with other public universities in the state, Florida State does admit some student-athletes with documented learning disabilities. Under federal and state law, and Florida Board of Governors policy, all students with learning disabilities as documented by licensed professionals are provided with appropriate academic accommodations.According to our Admissions Office, Florida State ordinarily enrolls more than 6,000 "first time in college" students each year, including about 125 who will compete in sports. Typically, such as in 2009, just over 93% of incoming students are admitted through our standard processes.  Another 5.9% are admitted because they are just below our cutoff scores for standard admission and have special talents or an academic record indicating a high probability of success. The categories for such students admitted in 2009 were: 234 strong academic record, 62 special talent in the arts, 43 in athletics and 14 on appeal.There is another admission option that requires the support of the university admission committee (consisting of a faculty majority) and involves an appeal to the committee and, if the committee admits the student, an academic plan must be approved by both the student and the admissions committee. We think it is important to note that of the 41 students admitted through the committee admissions process in 2009, only 17 were student-athletes, who competed in various sports.  We take great pride in the academic performance of our student-athletes, as evidenced by these achievements in 2008-09:

       3 ACC SCHOLAR ATHLETE OF THE YEAR AWARDS
       5 ACADEMIC ALL-AMERICANS
       1 NCAA POSTGRADUATE SCHOLARSHIP AWARD
       3 ACC POSTGRADUATE SCHOLARSHIP AWARDS
       6 ARTHUR ASHE, JR. SCHOLAR AWARDS
       15 COSIDA/ESPN ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT
       61 STUDENT-ATHLETES ON ALL ACC ACADEMIC TEAMS
       175 STUDENT-ATHLETES ON ACC ACADEMIC HONOR ROLL
       17 STUDENT-ATHLETES MADE THE PRESIDENT'S LIST
       139 STUDENT-ATHLETES MADE THE DEAN'S LIST
       41% OF ALL STUDENT-ATHLETES EARNED A 3.0 GPA OR HIGHER
       10 TEAMS EARNED A 3.0 GPA OR HIGHER

For more information about student-athletes at Florida State, email: everythingFSU@fsu.com.

Sincerely,
Athletic Director Randy Spetman
CONFERENCE CALL REGARDING UPCOMING OTL PROGRAM

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:34:22 -0500
To: vince.doria@espn.com
From: Franklin Murphy
Subject: Conference Call Regarding Upcoming OTL Program
TO:  Vince Doria, Vice President of News, ESPN
RE:  Upcoming Outside the Lines Program on Florida State University

As we urged you in our conference call this morning, we hope you will reconsider airing the "Outside the Lines" program ESPN is promoting as "The Story Behind the Florida State Academics Scandal" that is scheduled to debut Sunday, Dec. 13. 2009 because your promotions for this program have already shown that it contains false statements.  As Betty Steffens, Florida State University's general counsel, and I discussed with you, the promotional video clip for this program and the written promotion posted at the ESPN "Outside the Lines" Web site both contain inaccurate information that is harmful to Florida State University, and the program you are about to air is not a full, fair and balanced account of academic admission or retention of student-athletes at Florida State University.
Here is a recap of the points we made in our conversation with you: -      The promotional clip for this "Outside the Lines" piece features Brenda Monk, a former employee of the university who resigned and is suing the university and who is appealing a finding by the NCAA that she was guilty of academic fraud and unethical conduct.-      What that promotion piece says about Florida State University admitting "at least one student that had a documented IQ of 60" is absolutely false. And any cited corroboration for this statement is also false.  In admissions, we focus on the student's history of academic performance in classes, the rigor of those classes and test scores. --      Tom Farrey, the reporter for this promotional piece, also takes that false statement that the university admitted "at least one student that had a documented IQ of 60" and extrapolates it to more Florida State student-athletes by asking Brenda Monk:  "What did you think when you saw athletes with a 60 IQ being admitted to a school where most of the kids were honor students in high school?"   Brenda Monk answers:  "We have set the student up to fail..." (Context is vitally important in journalism. The reporter is broadcasting comments from a disgruntled, former employee who is now suing the university. She makes accusations involving a student, but the reporter is broadening this to taint the entire athletics program - which is patently unfair to our more than 500 student-athletes who perform very well in the classroom).-      The written promotional piece for the upcoming "Outside the Lines" program also says:  "A central figure in the academic fraud scandal at Florida State University attributes the university's problems to the caliber of students that longtime coach Bobby Bowden brought to Tallahassee in an effort to revive his program, the measures used to keep some of those students eligible, and the quality of the educations they received." This statement is also false. Head Football Coach Bobby Bowden has nothing to do with academic admission of any students. We also pointed out that the NCAA's own investigation of the Florida State case found that no coaches were involved in any way with academic impropriety.--      When your promotional piece refers to "the measures used to keep some of those students eligible," it is, again, way off base.
Under state and federal law, Florida State, just like other state universities in Florida, offers proper accommodations for the few student-athletes who are accepted with documented learning disabilities. The university does not offer a disproportionate number of waivers for its student-athletes, as your reporter seems to want to report.-      Our administrators worked with the "Outside the Lines" reporter, Tom Farrey, and helped him as much as we could with his story without violating federal laws protecting students' privacy  rights.  We reminded Mr. Farrey of those constraints and how they strictly prohibit us from releasing information about students in such small groups that the identity of the individual student would be obvious. He asked us to do that and apparently would not accept that answer and tried to get numerous other administrators, who also had expertise in student admissions, to give him this information.  They could not and did not do so.
Finally, Mr. Farrey had asked us for interviews with Coach Bowden and Florida State President T.K. Wetherell, but we turned down those interviews.  I told Mr. Farrey that neither Coach Bowden nor President Wetherell is an expert in admissions policies and procedures.  By design to comply with federal law, the admissions and retention administrators are the experts and have access to student records and are fully knowledgeable about all the nuances of those programs -- and not President Wetherell or Coach Bowden. Also, in our conversation this morning you and, by follow-up email, the "Outside the Lines" staff again offered to interview Coach Bowden or President Wetherell.  Even if this would give us an opportunity to address false accusations, why would anyone trust the context of your offer -- verbatim as follows:

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:11:31 -0500
From: "Phillips, Jamila D." <Jamila.D.Phillips@espn.com>
Subject: ESPN Interview Request For TK Wetherall (Sunday 12/13)

Hi, Hope all is well.  I wanted to place an interview request for TK Wetherall on ESPN's Outside The Lines show on Sunday 12/13 at 9am ET. We are going to have a feature documenting the way by which FSU admits substandard students into the school to play sports. We will discuss how much the FSU situation is widespread and doesn't the win at all costs mentality compromise academics. I know Reporter Tom Farrey reached out regarding Mr. Wetherall but I just wanted to extend the offer again.  Ideally we would like to do this interview on camera. Bob Ley is hosting.  Thanks in advance for your assistance and looking forward to hearing from you.
Jamila Phillips
ESPN Talent Producer
860-766-9084
<mailto:Jamila.D.Phillips@espn.com>Jamila.D.Phillips@espn.com
(NOTE: Same request was emailed to Coach Bowden via FSU Athletics

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this needs to be visible to everyone on this site… all outside the lines does is bend stories as far as they can possibly be from the truth.

by fsu9310 on Dec 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Outside the Lines

They did a butchering of UCF over the football player who collaped and died because he had a heart condition. It’s hard to believe with the money this network has along with it’s association with ABC and Disney that some opportunistic attorney group doesn’t sue them for journalistic malpractice and accuse them of being a monoply as they control every aspect of sports crushing all competition.

by nole34 on Dec 11, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

In order to sue ESPN for journalistic malpractice

they would actually have to be journalists first. FTW

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Another Hachett OTL Job

This is so typical of ESPN. While I agree, a lot of people don’t watch OTL, they do watch Sportscenter nightly, which is where this piece will be featured as a news story giving it added exposure.

by JPPNole on Dec 12, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL at ESPN's email to FSU

They think we will do interviews if they talk like that?

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 11, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Jamila Phillips never had her email reviewed before sending.

She was wayyy too forthcoming with the knock they want to do on FSU. Hasn’t she learned the bait and switch technique? What’s more, she misspelled TK’s last name. Come on. That’s like writing this:

Dear Micheal Jackson,
I want to do an interview with you about your pedophilic tendencies and specifically some previous encounters you’ve had with minors. We think it’s particularly alarming and should not be tolerated. I look forward to this pleasant conversation we will have soon!
Warmest Regards
Jamila

by NOLEinTX on Dec 11, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant the Jamila email.

I very much believe the story is real. I have a hard time believing someone in charge of emailing people to get interviews is that ignorant. GOLLY GEE WILIKERS

by tricknole on Dec 12, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

P.S. Jacko, we’d like to get your genitalia on camera and see what all these boys are screamin’ about.

Regards,
Jamilia Vanilia

by The K-Man on Dec 12, 2009 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Ms. Philipps

Must have played a sport for the Seminoles.

by fsucosta on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That’d be funny if you weren’t making fun of us.

by tricknole on Dec 12, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

We all know

FSU athletics isn’t full of Rhodes Scholars. We also don’t deserve this kind of negative press. Just poking some fun at the whole thing.

by fsucosta on Dec 12, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think ...

they really wanted the interviews. They knew there was no way we’d let Bowden or TK talk to the press since they have very little to do with the admissions process. But, in asking for the interviews and being turned down, they can say, “Requests for interviews with Bowden and Wetherell were denied,” which doesn’t make us look good.

The best thing we can do is circulate this horrendous email from the ESPN producer and expose just how horrible the “journalists” responsible for the story are.

by ScalpEM_TX on Dec 12, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!!!

I was just thinking the same thing. Heaven forbid if we actually got on the camera and posted a valid defense of our practices… and the practices of every other athletic department in the FBS. But how can you say yes to a “I am going to roast your a$$” invitation? IF that is a valid email from ESPN, I can’t blame FSU for shying away. Why bother going when all they might air of the BB interview is the edited version of Coach Bowden breaking a sweat and saying “Uh… Uh…”

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 13, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting Battle Going on here

Why don’t they look at the bigger picture as how a large community of students, athlete and or not, attempt to cheat on internet assignments and term papers?

Targeting out athletes for this particular sort of cheating is stupid.

Currently, the only route to the NFL or a better job using your football talent is through college. So why don’t you stop trying to hold these guys back from what they do best and understand that these kids are risking their own future to be here and believe that the university has their best interest in their future once they step foot on campus.

ESPN is being very hypocritical as they commonly televise games which feature arrested athletes and athletes who are now pro who could never cut it in the classroom.

Their love child, Tim Tebow, was admitted with a 890 SAT. I could tell you that if I tried to apply to UF with an 890 SAT that I would immediately be denied as I am not a first time college student or someone with a learning disability.

ESPN, please review reality and get back to me.

-Ryan

by Trus1te on Dec 11, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

890? Seriously?

My kid had almost that much just on the CR portion. And he didn’t have classes/tutors/etc.

by FiestaNole on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted now it's out of 2400 total points I'm pretty sure, but..

890/1600 (the max score when he took it) is awful—for a QB, no less… and then for an academic All-American. I’m guessing he does plan to use his Home Economics degree to be a “homemaker” after a short NFL scout-team career. I took a mandatory Home-Ec class in 8th grade for half a year and learned how to make monkey bread out of Piggly Wiggly brand biscuit dough….

The NCAA should make an award for the Humanitarian All-American to weed these “feel good” candidates out and let the true scholars garner the academic awards.

by NOLEinTX on Dec 11, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Good

I would have thought that God would just whisper the answers in Timmy’s ear.

ESPN is a joke. They’ll probably have a segment with Corso talking about how they did things while he was at FSU.

Perhaps I’ll have to share some of my opinions of ESPN with Jamila :)

Foosball is the devil

by IAHNole on Dec 11, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You sure it was out of 1600?

According to one of the answer websites, they changed the scale in March of 2005. Tebow’s score is reported in December of 2005. It may be 890 out of 2400.

In either case, Tebow isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer. Isn’t he majoring in basket-weaving or something?

Contrast with (say) Christian Ponder, and behold the joke that is ESPN.

by Drew J Jones on Dec 12, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i graduated high school in 2007

that was the first year they started using the 2400 scale for grades. I also took it in 2005 and 2004. In those years they added the written portion to the exam, but they just kinda tacked it on to the end of the original 1600 test and didn’t count it. They wanted to use the data from those tests to develop a standardized version for 2007 that wasn’t too strong or too weak.

by B-rod24 on Dec 12, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey I got a 2.7 GPA with a 1240

Of course, after the state schools got writ of all of the classes I took over the required amount, I had a 3.4

But hey, I can clearly see how a 3.5 GPA can match up with an 890 = Easy Classes

no one wants to touch the kid because he comes across as a really great person but when it comes down to it he appears to be just as void of classroom intelligence as the rest of the majority of the football community.

So Bite me.

by Trus1te on Dec 12, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He comes across as an attention-seeking, intelligence-lacking homosexual.

I 100% believe everything I just said. He just strikes me as having homosexual qualities to him. If homosexual is not allowed on this board, feel free to strike me down from the Heavens (jk, please don’t, but you can delete this comment).

I’ll add, he seems like an overall nice, good-hearted guy, who is a great competitor and teammate, that likes to cry and kiss his teammates.

by tricknole on Dec 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

3.5 gpa?

he was home schooled. i’d love to see how momma tearbow graded his tests.

by JaxNole on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

tearbow, i like it

"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."

by NorFla_Nole on Dec 15, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

P-Dub didnt tear up the SAT either.

My home is glass and I shan’t throw stones.

by The K-Man on Dec 12, 2009 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You live with Peter Warrick?

Umm, awesome??? Unless….not going there.

by PBD on Dec 12, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of academic all americans...

am i crazy or did myron rolle make 2nd team when he was here?

"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."

by NorFla_Nole on Dec 13, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I like how FSU sent out the ESPN person's email with that

I plan on taking advantage of that, send them a nice email asking if they plan on discussing our Rhode Scholars in their report. Either that or sign them up for every email list imaginable.

by NoleFrenzy on Dec 11, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

or a phone call

the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009

by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 14, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I editted it.

Should look better.

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Dec 11, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

SEC will never get touched by ESPN...

after their TV contract. yet that networks tries to play like some kind of ethical judge. F them.

by noles55 on Dec 11, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

My Gosh...

aside from the crap wording, this is my favorite part: “…admits substandard students into the school to play sports…” ESPN should have just stated how they really feel- “Why are you letting these poor, dumb minorities go to college for free? He made what on his SAT? Well Mr. 4.3 40 yard dash will just have to find another way to realize his dream of making the pros, getting an education, and getting his family out of poverty.” Seriously. What a load. I wonder how Jamila feels about ESPN lowering their standards to let her have a job.

ESPN makes a ridiculous amount of money off of college football. An absolute insane amount. “We will discuss how much the FSU situation is widespread and doesn’t the win at all costs mentality compromise academics.” Seriously? They want me to believe they are worried about the state of academics at well known football schools? Give me a break. All they care about is that people turn on the TV to watch games so that they get paid. Just ludicrous. You know what? Fine. We’ll have it her way. FSU will now only admit kids with 1400 and up on their SATs. See how much coin ESPN make off of Ivy Leaguers suiting up on Saturdays.

Fowler: Wow that running back really delivered the punishment on the linebacker with that run.

Palmer: Well to be fair the LB only weighs 120 lbs but I understand he has done great work with the unified theory of physics.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Dec 12, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yawn.

Nobody cares about ESPN’s hypocritical agenda. I’m not worried.

by FSUjab on Dec 11, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

This could have been a lot worse

They waited until the season was almost over to run it, and chose to put the story on OTL which doesn’t get near the viewers of College Gameday.

I think most people will feel like this story has run its course.

by 38Noles on Dec 12, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I will appreciate Fisher's dynasty more than I did Bowden's...

by FloridaStateJay on Dec 12, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions  

They wanted to interview Bobby and TK

… who are both lame ducks. Timely reporting on a dead issue. What would they have asked?

“Bobby, are you going to keep recruiting players with 60 IQs? Oh wait …”

“TK, what are you going to do about admissions standards in the next few years? Oh wait …”

by ScalpEM_TX on Dec 12, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions  

We know they would've been asked horribly leading questions.

And that both guys may have fallen victim to several of them. That would’ve been very damning. I agree they’re lame ducks, too. But at the time the two were requested, maybe they weren’t on their way out. Bobby was only fairly recently, and if ESPN has been trying to get this story since the spring or so, TK didn’t announce his retirement then, either.

But as we state, those 2 know nothing about our admissions policies, so the whole thing is crap.

by tricknole on Dec 12, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly where was this report two years ago?

How amaturish to report it WAY after the fact….the who admin is changing now.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Dec 14, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

They now have somebody they can interview in Monk. Sure she’s horribly biased with an ax to grind but she’s a mouth piece.

by evenflow58 on Dec 16, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously though

i just dont feel like hearing about this from other people outside of FSU.

by B-rod24 on Dec 12, 2009 2:34 AM EST reply actions  

Action

Once fox picks up the ACC I think we should impose a retaliation ban on ESPN. 8 months your reporters can not set foot on campus. They can’t interview players or coaches for an additional 2 months after that.

by revival on Dec 12, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

i like this

I generally like espn but this is going too far.

by B-rod24 on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN needs FSU more than FSU needs ESPN.
Florida State-Miami a ratings hit

Shocking news: Miami’s 38-34 victory against Florida State did well on TV. I know you all must be very surprised about this, so I’ll allow you a moment.OK. The game on Monday night, televised nationally by ESPN earned an overnight rating of 5.6. That’s good.

Here’s how it compares to the other season-opening games between the schools since 2006:

’04 (ABC) – 5.9
’05 (ABC) – 6.5
’06 (ESPN) – 7.6*
’09 (ESPN) – 5.6

* – The 2006 FSU-Miami game was broadcast on all of the ESPN networks, and the rating shown is cumulative for all the networks.

In case you’re curious, the Virginia Tech – Alabama game on Saturday night drew a 4.2 rating on ABC. That game and the FSU-Miami game were two most watched college football games of the opening weekend of the season.

posted by andrew carter on September, 9 2009 5:00 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2009/09/florida-statemiami-a-ratings-hit.html

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Dec 12, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

The only issue I have with that

is that the ACC wouldn’t get any love at all if that were to happen. We’d have to have a split deal where ESPN gets second dibs and puts them in their place…

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 12, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember Fox is a nation wide network broadcaster its no dinky network. ESPN is all cable.

IMO even when we were top five it seemed like ESPN liked to talk more about the northern schools anyway like OSU. They would show a 15 sec. blurb about us then go on to talk about the OSU or Notre Dame for like 15 min.

by revival on Dec 12, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN would obviously get 2nd pick, then Lincoln Financial.

But what are you talking about the ACC not getting any love?

by tricknole on Dec 13, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

From ESPN. No love from ESPN.

I’m not trying to say that we get love now from ESPN. But if we were to bail on them for Fox, I think that the bad coverage could only get worse. Fox has other things they do with their broadcasting time. ESPN is sports 24/7. Sports journalists watch ESPN. Poll voters watch ESPN. Recruits watch ESPN. We have to keep SOME kind of relationship with them so that they have invested time and money into us, and have to pimp us somewhat.

A 3 billion dollar contract would be nice… but…

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 13, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no but.

It’s all about the Benjamin’s. I don’t give a damn what ESPN does.

by tricknole on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Mickey Mouse could compose a better email....

I’m no journalist, but I would assume that protocol dictates that you use the word “alleged” and I don’t see that in Ms. Phillips’ email.

by crozetseminoles on Dec 12, 2009 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Defamation

What I don’t understand is if ESPN is going to say anything that is false or stretching the truth why doesn’t FSU go over them for defamation? ESPN is not privileged to make false claims or statements about FSU. I really hope our in house counsel watched the report closely and jumps on the first issue they can.

Spot

by FSUSpot on Dec 12, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

That came to my mind as well.

Maybe they can get away with it because the general public understands OTL is purely a satirical rag comparable to The Onion.

by FSUinUK on Dec 14, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The Plot Thickens

According to noldigest.com the reporter behind this whole story is a graduate of UF ’86.

by FLAK8 on Dec 12, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

this must be an anti-FSU holiday for ESPN

Outside the lines slams FSU annnnd theres a 30 for 30 about “Da U” ??? horrrrrible

"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."

by NorFla_Nole on Dec 12, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forget

ESPN in an SEC network now.

I will appreciate Fisher's dynasty more than I did Bowden's...

by FloridaStateJay on Dec 14, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the 30 for 30 was supposed to make Miami look good...it didn't.

There is a differnece between letting your envrinoment make you touger, and letting it make you into a completely classless jackass without any respect for authority. that’s what they were.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Dec 14, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

ya it was a joke

one thing i noticed, on the build up to, i think the ’88 title game, they showed a clip of the team running on to the field and the game announcer in the background was saying something like “…and miami hasnt won a bowl game since their last title in ’82”……..real decade of dominance….there was another part where they were saying if it wasnt for this and that, jimmy johnson would have had 3 in a row….well in that case we should have about 7 titles by now lol

"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."

by NorFla_Nole on Dec 14, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was worried going into the show that it could be a recruiting asset...bah!

Any kid who watched that objectively and still wants to go there, I don’t want anyway.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe that it was ever supposed to be a fluff piece for UM despite both the producer and director being UM grads. They wanted UM’s help with the show and UM stonewalled them at every turn.

by evenflow58 on Dec 16, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize we are all sports addicts...

…and asking any of us to forgo ESPN would be difficult. But damn I want to organize a boycott of ESPN. I also realize we are a relatively small community… But if we could generate a movement among FSU alum, fans, et cetera to boycott MNF or such, and combined it with a coordinated letter campaign to ESPN advertisers… Who knows… Advertisers might recognize a few hundred thousand less viewers effect on their bottom line…

by soliman on Dec 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

This is just stupid.

If FSU were bending the rules to let kids in, Willie Downs and CJ Mizell would be on the team. A kid with an IQ of 60 couldn’t play on our offense. Maybe he could play DT or kicker. He could be a LB for Amato, or he could play safety like Mangum. CFB is a sophisticated sport. IF we had such a kid, I doubt he played b/c he probably couldn’t pick up the plays. The kid would be mildly retarded. 99.5% of IQ scores are between 60-140. They are the most reliable tests. Anything below 70 is considered "feeble-minded’.

I think this piece will be more of a knock on Coach Bowden more than anything. I think FSU is pretty good about self-policing its kids whether its academics or social misconduct. As FSU starts to make a comeback, I expect more and more detractors will come out to try to spoil the party.

by NoleLaw on Dec 13, 2009 2:09 AM EST reply actions  

right

also, many people consider athlete’s to be dumb. But most of the time it only has to do with the effort they put into schooling, not IQ.

by B-rod24 on Dec 13, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

True that.

Monk is a lying sack of shit. No one had a 60 IQ. NO ONE. That person wouldn’t know how to tie their shoes or wipe after taking a crap. Literally.

And it said one player was admitted despite scoring 340 points below the school average on the SAT. Well, UF players have gotten in 400 points below their school average. Spare me the hypocrisy and the lying.

I think Monk’s claims have merit, but I think she’s lying out of her teeth now that she’s been ousted. Yes, we let that go on when we shouldn’t have, but she’s making these claims for $$$ and to save her a**.

I hope Paul Griffin is doing alright. I wish all our former players the best who put their time in (Mangum included).

by tricknole on Dec 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

if its true, then dont cover it up

if its false issue a correction

saying they can do nothing about it is akin to admitting it is true!

by Mr. Seminole on Dec 13, 2009 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

Not neccesarily. For FSU to properly say ESPN is lying they would have to disprove ESPN. This could open up a can of worms. Also, I haven’t heard anything about this outside of FSU sites. I seriously doubt this gets much press considering the timing of it all.

by evenflow58 on Dec 16, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Schools do not know the IQ of students

If I remember correctly this 60 IQ story started with the release of the transcripts. I was just somebody estimating the IQ’s of athletes.

by marlins44 on Dec 13, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

W/ regards to Bobby

Do you think this story has been in the works for awhile? Or do you think that it was put together after Bobby announced his retirement, and ESPN “loving UF and Tebow” felt like it was or is now open season on FSU? Interested to hear what you’ll think. Thanks

by willyfresh on Dec 13, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It is easy to pick on FSU right now

This story probably has been in the works for a couple of months now. I assume they have been working on this story since the release of the transcripts and that is probably why the information is so old. If we were winning I do not think they publish it or if do they probably would not use FSU as an example. UF recruits the same players we do yet they win games and draw ratings so they are not going to trash them. The story should have been about high school athletes graduating school with out basic reading and writing skills, The fact that they single out FSU makes this story seem like a hit job. There is also has no credible information. All the numbers they are using are estimations from Brenda Monk, a person who is suing FSU.

by marlins44 on Dec 13, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Fred Rouse!!!!!!!

Seriously? That’s one of their sources for this story. Unbelievable.

by nolefansam on Dec 13, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

Article on ESPN.com/OTL

Wasn’t too harsh of a read, actually. It looks like the focus is more so on the “pervasive use of the learning disability label in college athletics.” I know the guy is a UF grad, but it doesn’t read (to me, anyway) that he is pointing the finger at FSU so much as telling a story about how easy it is for an athlete to get academic help.

That was MY read, anyway.

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 13, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Then watch the video.

The video seems to slam FSU by saying we lowered admissions standards, did whatever we could to get players labeled LD, and did it all because our football team had a few down seasons.

by tricknole on Dec 13, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching it now.

Not so good so far…

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 13, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty lousy report.

A lot of truth in it, but a lot of lies and misleading info.

by tricknole on Dec 14, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The vid should have been done similar to the article

which, IMO, provided a bit more balance and framed the incident as being pandemic. The video sketch focused on it being more of a FSU issue instead of a NCAA issue.

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 23, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t anyone in the national media, ESPN included, that really gives a damn about how poorly athlete-students perform in. No one is willing to sacrifice talent and competition for higher academic standards. That’s why Herbstreit and others have been slamming Notre Dame for the past few weeks. “You can’t expect these kids to take calculus and compete for a national championship.” At the end of the day, more talent and competition means higher ratings and more money.

Mostly everyone stopped truly caring about the student part of college football a long time ago. Displaying the kid’s major next to his position is an afterthought. It’s almost like a rookie league for the NFL, and the teams happen to be named after colleges. For ESPN to look down its nose as if its shocked that college football players get extra accommodation and attention is flat out disingenuous.

by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Dec 13, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

If ESPN is so concerned about academic exceptions ...

then they should only air games played by schools who do not make such exceptions for their football players.

by ScalpEM_TX on Dec 13, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Here you go. She wants commnets. I think she meant comments. d'oh.

Jamila Phillips
ESPN Talent Producer
860-766-9084
Jamila.D.Phillips@espn.com

Please let me know how you feel about the OTL documentary. Any commnets would be appreciated.

Posted by: Jamila D Phillips | Sunday, December 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Florida State responds to condemning Outside the Lines story

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Dec 13, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Oh my

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Dec 13, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Fred Rouse

Fred Rouse was a source wtf

by Fredric on Dec 13, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

thats the biggest joke..

the guy is a drug using thug/thief and they make him look like an angel. Brenda Monk…towards the end of the show, god spited her ass with lightning…lol.

by fsudude on Dec 13, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We all realize how ridiculous these sources are: A player who was kicked, has insulted the school before (I remember him saying the workouts at his new school were more intense than FSU), and an employee who was fired, has a lawsuit against the unviersity, and whose name has been soiled by the university.

Even worse, on top of that the interviewer is a UF grad, Tom Farrey.

I doubt the average person will pick up on any of this though.

by lul on Dec 13, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. along with AJ Nicholson.

And Fred would’ve gotten away with it except he got jacked up breaking the window, spread blood everywhere, and left behind a wide receiver’s glove with his “#1” personalized inside the glove. And the glove was bloody.
I wish I was embellishing.

by The K-Man on Dec 14, 2009 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN is to Sports Journalism as FOX News and MSNBC is to Political Journalism.

I stopped watching their blow hard over pontification and over analysis with a agenda ages ago. If you want to enjoy any of their programming I suggest using a Mute button. Much more enjoyable then. But this will get pushed out of any sort of spot light they were trying to give it when a few more of Tiger Woods’ mistresses come out of the wood work.

"Geno Hayes sucks though
He is one notch above Sabby Piscatelli
by Sveet on Dec 1, 2009 12:34 PM EST"

by PewterPirate55 on Dec 13, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

So FSU likes to put their LDs in Social Sciences, eh?

Check out the University of Florida roster. Their saint and savior, Tim Tebow, is a “Family, Youth, and Community Science” major. So is the winner of all winners and recent DUI recipiant, Carlos Dunlap. And maybe even 50 percent of the total roster… or more? I’ll check tomorrow.

Damn. A double standard in journalism. Look at that!

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Dec 13, 2009 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Typical ESPN

Thats really rotten for them to slam Paul Griffin like that. They clearly painted him him as one of the supposed idiots that FSU shouldn’t be accepting academically, but doesn’t state law require that community college graduates be accepted to one of the public universities?

And they gave that statistic about the average football SAT score being something like 300 points below the student body average. UF’s 2005 freshman class’s mean SAT was 1306, Tebow’s was 890 and he’s an academic all american.

What a rag.

by FSUinUK on Dec 14, 2009 2:27 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, I felt bad for Griffin

saying “um” and “you know what I mean” don’t make you an idiot, but they sure portrayed him that way. Every quote was ended with him not finishing a sentence. The only reason for asking him questions was to see how many “ahs” and “likes” they could get out of him.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Dec 14, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Griffin went to CC in Kansas, though.

And I do feel bad for Griffin but I’m glad he’s at least got a job. Some people don’t. And UF’s SAT discrepancy is much bigger than ours, but that wasn’t mentioned, obviously.

by tricknole on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to post a fanshot about this, but if anyone is intersted in the OTL stuff they are probably already reading this.

Cromartie’s agent refutes what Rouse said on the program. The agent makes some good points. Something I found veryinteresting is that I had a roommate who tutored at Lincoln and he was shocked when Rouse qualified. Then Rouse is quoted saying that he was looking for a bigger chalenge.

Wichard denies telling ESPN that Cromartie has “language deficiencies”

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Dec 14, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

NCAA?

In the back of my mind, I can’t help wondering if a very vengeful NCAA has some role in this. They are quite upset that FSU, over the years, has continued to stand up to them.

by heartnnole on Dec 14, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

I had similiar thoughts.

Very convenient timing in proximity to getting torn a new one in the the FL courts.

by revival on Dec 14, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I sent Tom Farrey, the Gator, an email...

Found it on his website. It is tomfarrey@gmail.com if anyone would like to express their interest in this story to him.

by FSUPHI1681 on Dec 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

this just makes me mad

I just watched it online. It’s so full of bogus but there is nothing we can do. emailing espn or the writer will accomplish nothing. It’s really hilarious though how they try to portray Rouse as some nobel, smart guy. I wonder how many times they had to ask him over to interview before they finally found him not high. LOL at him being a businessman. Yea, he sure seems trustworthy. I hope the best for Griffin, he didn’t say anything that irked me.

The Cromartie part was just disgusting. The guy posts on twitter all the time, yea I’m sure he can’t read. I guess to let some of my anger out I can just think about all the talent Rouse wasted and laugh at him. He’s not a seminole anymore, just a criminal.

I live near the ESPN studios, maybe I’ll head over sometime and see if I can catch the reporter headed to work. I’ll take Jimmie Johnson’s pic-ax that he’s using on the speed bumps and knock that guy upside the head.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2009 2:29 AM EST reply actions  

A friend of mine

who actually prosecuted Rouse emailed Mr. Farrey and he actually called him back! He basically said a few things. 1) We are a victim of ourselves. Meaning there would be no story if FSU had not fought to make this public record. The only reason the story was written is because it’s the only case in history that was made public. 2) He says that they had to remove alot of information that Rouse/Monk had said because the information could not be verified. He also said that he stands by the edited piece because all the info was verified by multiple sources, whoever those may be. Now the reason Booby and TK denied the interview is because FL law prohibits administration from discussing student’s records with the media. Now they could have said that but they failed to do so….wonder why??

by Polk Nole on Dec 15, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

2 points on this comment

1.) The information was verified by “Tom Stevenson”, A hobo that sits on Tennessee Street and begs for change, and “Janine Monk”, the daughter of Brenda Monk.

2.) The entire “rebuttal” is a complete joke.

We’re a victim of “ourselves”? Hell, isn’t every major university who wants to be competitive in college athletics? He chose to make it into a story because it was eventually made public? Riiiiight. THAT’s believable. What a terrible excuse.

Also, just the fact that he CHOSE Rouse/Monk for this piece makes the piece unreliable. It’s basically the same as interviewing ANY disgruntled employee(s). It’s interesting that he didn’t explain why he chose to use those sources.

Of course they didn’t point out the law about discussing student records. It sounds much more negative against FSU to just say “They declined to comment”.

Lastly, It’s interesting that they didn’t give any additional info on Rouse and the piece of crap that he is.

Great job ESPN. You’re a real piece of shitwork

by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 15, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

the fact that the story was made doesn’t bother me, its how the story was made. I’m sure an OTL report was justified for the cheating scandal but to use Monk/Rouse was unethical.

by B-rod24 on Dec 16, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Am I missing something here?

OTL debuted in 1990. It has received 10 Emmy Awards and multiple CableACEs for respected and responsible journalism.

CableACE Award

If by multiple he means 0 then I guess he is correct.

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Dec 22, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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