Greg Hudson, current Defensive Coordinator at ECU, will be hired to coach linebackers at FSU. Jimbo Fisher continues to build what looks to be an outstanding staff. East Carolina won the Conference USA title this year and Hudson's defensive unit no doubt played a huge part in the team's success. Hudson also has a presence in the Carolina's on the recruiting trail, though the athletes he will inherit and recruit at FSU are in another league.
Hudson comes to FSU following a 5 year stint at East Carolina, where his defenses are known for their physicality, toughness, and consistency in forcing turnovers (33 in 2008). In 2009, ECU ranked 6th in total tackles with 958. They finished with 27 sacks and 17 interceptions. Prior to working at ECU, Hudson coached at Minnesota (2001-2004), Cincinnati (1997-2000), and UConn (1994-1996). He was also a graduate assistant for Notre Dame in 1993.
Complete Hudson bio can be found at http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hudson_greg00.html
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thats right PJ
Jimbo is turning out to be one of the smartest coasches ive seen in a long time!
by hntdeerliv4noles on Dec 19, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
True
But I’d just like to see them stay together for 3 years before guys leave for better gigs (promotions) at other schools. I think that’s all the time we’ll need to install a new philosophy and scheme and recruit the right guys and get the defense into the top 25 again.
After those 3 years, I’ll want our guys to leave. Either because they are getting the job done and I want to see them get a shot as HC or DC somewhere else or because they aren’t getting the job done and I want someone who can get it done.
I would like to see this all star staff
Take some younger guys (maybe GA’s) under their wing and teach the system. Turnover= not as scary. My jaw dropped by the way when i saw this!
I could not agree with you more
but having someone on staff that is already capable of running a defense and maybe even the same scheme is a huge plus.
Ive been thinking this for a while, but IF (these are big IFs) Jimbo is here for the long run I really believe that a guy like Coley is here for the long haul as well. It may be similar to the Bobby/Mickey situation. Again these are big ifs.
I cant believe I have to wait 9 months to see what this staff will put together.
I think Coley could be here for a long time only because he's a Nole.
Guys like him (the RELENTLESS types), don’t stay stationary for long. His ties to FSU may keep her grounded for quite some time. As long as he feels he’s paid accordingly, he may stay. If he only stays 15 years, though, that’ll be alright, too. I don’t know if I foresee any coach staying at FSU for 30 years at a time anymore. I certainly have a hard time seeing two do it simultaneously.
I can't wait either.
I hate how long the off season is.
I don’t see Fisher leaving anytime soon. I don’t want to choke on our own self-importance, but he is FSU’s head coach and I don’t think he’ll give that up lightly. Especially if (as I expect) he turns us around. Coley gets to move up too…we’ll see.
it is a long off season, i might actually watch the garnet n gold game this year lol
im excited to see the NEW FSU
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
I would never travel up there for the game without having another reason to go.
Like a baseball game or basketball game scheduled earlier in the day. And only if the game is a true game and not a boring scrimmage.
don't care when they lea e as long as it is for more money
not because they don’t want to be ay FSU
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't meaning after 3 years I want our coaches gone.
But that if we are back near the top in 3 years, some of our coaches will likely leave for better jobs. And I expect that and embrace it. I just hope we keep them for those 3 years to allow us to get to where we need to be.
Three years is my arbitrary length of time needed to get the recruits into the program and the players into the schemes and systems and get us back to the top. I see only 2 possibilities. We either are good again and coaches leave for better jobs (I hope this is the case), or we aren’t good and we fire coaches (obviously hope this isn’t the case) after that ~3 year window.
Hudson = Next DC?
I assume Hudson would agree to this because he thinks he has a shot at being the next FSU DC. That would be fine by me if he is successful here.
great point
its surely a possibility.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Dec 19, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
ya it looks like Hudson could be a replacement once Stoops leaves
this is great new IMO, we not only recruit the best players, we recruit the best coaches! squad up!
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
That is incredible
Even though he is at a school that is not “big time” he is still a DC. He wouldnt take a ridiculous demotion, so this tells me he considers this an upgrade. An upgrade just to be our LB coach tells me there is still plenty of cache for being a member of the FSU family.
This is even more exciting news. FSU is building a monster organization, pure and simple. While I am aware this is something that wont be for many years in length, the ball is rolling to get us back to the top. I feel we are in a better position than UT, however misguided that might be. Jimbo is killin them with kindness, while Lane is putting a bullseye on his own back.
Who knows how long we keep this ridiculous staff together, but I will enjoy what will hopefully be at least two years of it. The ability to teach the fundamentals is obvious. This is how we build a foundation. Damn this is an exciting time.
Didnt see you
Beat me to it, excellent post. I’m so excited. I completely agree, our staff rivals anyones, and it is a staff who wants to be together and wants to improve themselves, in my opinion, not a bunch of headhunters, even though they are equally motivated.
An exicitng time to be a nole for sure
Fantastic News!!! I bet they all stay until we get an MNC
And why not? Better to leave a championship team than just a good team from a paycheck standpoint.
I have a sports woody!
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I feel like im dreaming
What a way to start the new era off Jimbo! Ill say it again, can next season start tomorrow PLEASE!!!
by hntdeerliv4noles on Dec 19, 2009 7:03 PM EST reply actions
This is awesome
Someone who was considered a possibility, albeit a weak one, to be a defensive coordinater here is hired as a position coach speaks volumes about where people think we are heading.
Excellent staff is being added and I’m glad to see the relatively slow week pick up during this ridiculous blizzard in south jersey.
Go Noles!
Manhattan is getting nasty too.
The Seminole gods are crying with joy.
by Fire Machine on Dec 19, 2009 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Having a horrible time trying to edit that link, so it's below (sorry about that)
http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hudson_greg00.html
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions
You can delete the fanpost I put up then
But i did get it up there 6 mins before yours lol. This is a great hire for the Noles. He will be nasty as a LB coach because as the DC he has to understand the importance of solid LB even more so then just a position coach. Now after having that experience he will be more then helpful to Stoops in getting this guys to become something special in the next few years.
"You play to WIN the GAME"
Christmas has come early
FSU is off to a great start with the recent hires and recruits and the season isn’t even over yet!
Wow!
This is incredible news - I was convinced that Hudson would be reasonable hire as DC.
We’re coming back, Baby, no doubt about it. Fear the Spear indeed.
Wow is right
Real coaches. It’s like being in a fantasy land.
One last spot
HC/QB – Fisher
OC/TE/RC – Coley
OL – Trickett
RB – Gran
WR – Dawsey
ST – Craig
DC/DB – Stoops
DT – Haggans
LB – Hudson
Any idea what the final coaching vacancy might look like?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
My ideal hire would be Travis Jones from the Saints
He has coached some pretty sucessful ends. I am not sure if his timetable is in line with ours though.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
He's an assistant line coach
as opposed to the line coach (you’re quite possibly aware of that difference). And I do think he would leave NO if he truly wanted this job. I know I would at least consider it.
But that, I don't think, would factor into his decision to make an upward move in this case.
Unless of course he’s looking at another DL coach job in the NFL at the end of the year, which would mean he didn’t “truly want this job”.
Is Travis Jones a legit option?
By that, would he actually be interested in leaving NO?
I have heard from a Saints employee that he is very unhappy and it is a constat battle with the Head D-line coach
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Do you think
That he could come in as DE coach and then be worked into the DL coach if Haggins is let go after a season or two?
Agreed
I know he had some good players come through, but Ive been discouraged by some of our recent play. Jones is a good recruiter (I think recruiter of the year at LSU) and from what I can tell, he’s done a good job coaching also.
We NEED 2 guys working db’s. Dline is mostly recruiting. Just get a lot of athletic freaks. But db coaching is much more complicated and tough.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bama has 2. You don’t want your dc being the sole db coach. He’s not coaching the dummies on the dline.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Buckley?
I know he is probably gonna stay a GA, but wouldnt he be helping with the DBs?
by TimScribble on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
Yes, I saw that after I posted it. No biggie.
by TimScribble on Dec 19, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
His recruiting is nothing to celebrate. Barnes is posting unc dline highlights. He lost miller and willis. Jacobs is looking around.
so fire him. I would. But we can’t have 2dl coaches and our dc doing all 4 db positions.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol Tbuck. Sorry, just laugh at the notion of having the guy known for instincts and lazy technique as our db instructor.
Mickey isn’t the standard imo. Unless we can suddenly get some combo or bama uga uf and miami to go on probation again
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is on the staff. So how is that funny? i didnt hire him. its not like im one of the people who say deion or brooks as posistion coaches. I mentioned somebody of the staff.
Didn’t mean to come off as that did. Tbuck is looking elsewhere for a job and apparently has this ga position as a backup.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i like this site for sayin whatever u feel. if u thought it was funny then laugh. no harm done.
Id be happy with whatever jimbo does. im only saying to hire a end coach because you said he was on a probation. Id rather not have to bring a new guy in next year.
I love how everyone here speaks their mind. But my response was rude and the delivery, poor. I apologize.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would hiring Jones as DL coach right NOW lose any of our DL recruits?
I don’t know. I’d have to think saying he’s coached in the NFL and is coaching on a potential Super Bowl team has some sway on kids. But I could see where a kid on the fence may not like the uncertainty.
Jones wouldn't lose anyone.
For Pete’s sake, he’d be replacing Allen.
As of now, we have
a DC (Stoops) to coach the back 4;
a DC (Hudson) to coach the middle 3; and
Haggins to coach the front 4.
You tell me which of the three areas we could use a little extra help with.
Expect a DE coach.
Are you not understanding my question?
If Jones were hired as DL coach it’d obviously mean we got rid of Haggins.
Why is that?
We had 2 DL coaches this year. Stoops doesn’t have a DB coach in AZ & no reason to think he will bring in a new coach for 1 year just to teach our DBs his new system.
I think I understand it now. You were asking whether replacing Haggins right now would hurt recruiting—if we replaced him with Jones. I misunderstood before. Sorry bout that. If that were the case, I suppose we could always get rid of him after NSD. I don’t think Fisher would do that though. Maybe if we lost some of our current DL commits and didn’t pull anyone new in. I think he stays at least another year though. Helps with continuity between our current players and staff. Also, I’m sure Jimbo has seen him coach and if he was as useless as the rest, he would have been lumped with them.
I just read your 2nd paragraph now.
I quit reading after your 1st paragraph last time just because you weren’t understanding me and I didn’t think this hypothetical question was a big enough deal to explain it all out. Oh well.
Much of what you said is my own belief. I just feel like it might be worth it to just go ahead and get rid of Haggins (if Jones were the replacement) instead of giving him another season. What if we don’t get a couple quality guys to end this class and/or a few commits leave? What if the production on the field is still subpar?
All just questions. I have no influence on Jimbo’s decision. I have no idea if Jones is a real possibility.
+1
“Also, I’m sure Jimbo has seen him coach and if he was as useless as the rest, he would have been lumped with them.” If you keep one coach from the 108th ranked defense, he must have made one hell of an impression.
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I doubt
Coley remains RC. That may go to Gran. I didn’t think Craig was announced as ST? But maybe he will be and also “help” with QB’s.
Don’t forget it looks like Vic Viloria will be SC. We get 11 coaches. I’d love to see Travis Jones as the DE coach, but we’ll see. I don’t know who else is out there.
I am just speculating on the Craig at ST coach
I think that is where MattD projected him
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Dameyune Craig will have the QB coach title
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I hope we do
I would love to see one coach specifically focus on ST instead of delegating it to several guys, but I don’t know if that will happen.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can you justify filling our final coaching spot with a guy dedicated to ST
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
If he is also named the Recruiting Coordinator with Coley moving up, then yes I can
But like I said, I doubt that happens. I think the final hire will be a DE coach or a secondary coach.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't justify an ST only coach for the final spot.
Not when we only have 3 full-time defensive coaches out of 11 right now. It’d seem like we we wouldn’t be giving our defense the attention it so badly needs.
If we would already have 4 full-time defensive coaches, then you could certainly try to justify it.
Eddie Gran is the RB coach
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
right
My post got mixed up, that was suppose to go under the Gran to be ST coach…
by BhamSeminole on Dec 19, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I read somewhere
that fisher said Gran would be the ST coach.
by BhamSeminole on Dec 19, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
don’t think we see a DE coach. Odell is a food coach but a ?able recruiter.
gran will do rb’s and special teams.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DB to coach whatever dbs stoops doesn’t want to coach. DL does not need 2 coaches. It needs one guy who can recruit genetic freaks and then teach them to use their hands. You can’t turn iffy DL recruits great, but you van turn iffy DB recruits great.
that’s why O’Dell is on a 1-year probation.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d rather see a de coach, so he could transition over if odell doesnt work out. Since i know stoops can dc and be the db coach and not sure odell can coach the whole line.
odell is a good coach, he’s just been a bad recruiter of late. We need 2 guys working with DB’s. 2 DL coaches is not needed. And we don’t need to groom someone to take over for odell. Odell’s problem is recruiting not coaching.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you just said he was on a 1 year probation. so thats y i said i’d rather have somebody in place to take over if he doesnt work out.
there’s no need to have an heirappaeent. It’s DL coaching. You could do it. We need 2db guys because our schemes are so far behind the times.
but this also shows the problem of raised expectarions, with people projecting acc champs and 10+ wins next year.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well i dont think ACCCG is that far out of reach
most everyone thought wed be in it this year…
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
by NorFla_Nole on Dec 19, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think getting there should be the goal. Winning it would be gravy. We’re coning iff the worst year, record wise, in forever (if we drop to wvu as expected). I am soooooo excited about the program but having been at Bama for all of saban’s time, I realize it takes time to de-program a lot of the stuff those coaches did to the players.
if you gave me 8-4 next year i’d take it in a newyorkminute.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
uhhh...
his ‘de-programming’ took exactly one year…then off to a BCS game then to a BCS title game. Wouldn’t mean I would be be happy with a 7-5 year but if it means BCS bowl game the following year? I’ll just have to deal with it. HAHA.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 20, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, I'm starting to agree with you.
We obviously need new schemes in the secondary, and if Stoops is going to be overseeing the whole D in the process, he’ll need someone overseeing the secondary in his absence. Sort of like Jimbo needing Craig to help with QB’s.
And a few years ago I thought Odell was interviewed by the Bucs to be their DL coach? That happened, right? I just remember everyone being relieved when he didn’t get the job. He seems to have fallen off quite a bit since then, but I like our recruits so far this year, aside from Erving since I just haven’t seen any film on him. The other 4 DL commitments are all solid contributors next year, imo, with the potential to have an even greater impact throughout the duration of their careers.
Bud let me be the first to go on record and predict 19 wins! LOL
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I hope these new coaches can light a fire under Odell.
I think he’ll be a very good recruiter when someone is breathing down his neck. I guess you could say this is Odell’s money year; he has to produce, or he’ll be gone.
And normally, players and coaches react very well under those conditions.
well stoops and hudson have credit for 1 target between them. am i looking to much into that. i would just figure at a small school all your coaches would be recruiting.
Odell is done IMHO...
he just doesn’t have it….doesn’t try that hard and rarely pulls a big one out unless it falls in his lap (knows the family or near Tally).
He has all of Bobby’s bad habits IMHO and I will be stunned if he proves anything other than he just doesn’t try that hard anymore.
FSU BADLY needed 2-3 DTS to help out NEXT year and I see little more than projects. He should of been fired.
55,
that is a bit extreme IMO. Clearly Jimbo sees something I’m him. We have a lot more than projects at DT. Fell into our lap or not, the guys we do have there are talented and are developing well.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Fiser sees something in Odell or he would be gone. Fisher is not on the buddy system unless of course they can coach.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Bud, I'm inclined to agree with you, but
I also see 55’s point. Remember that Odell = Dexter Carter, a former great FSU player who had never coached— a typical Bobby hire (shoot, they played for the same pro team at the same time!) He wanted to give Odell his break in coaching, way back when, just like he tried with Carter. Since that time, we’ve had some decent lines, but following the Mickey Andrews/ CTC “freedom scheme”. In other words, that’s who trained Haggins to be what he his, which isn’t exactly up-to-date and state of the art or geared to stop modern offenses.
Now, you may be right that this is a position that doesn’t need smarts or special training. Certainly Jimbo sees something in Haggins, and I hope it’s coaching ability. But he would seem to be the weakest link on this staff, by virtue of his background.
Ask it another way: if Jimbo were going out to find the best DL coach he could right now and Haggins coached somewhere else, would he be hired to join this staff?
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
Odell was hired on the same premise that Carter was, correct. But
Carter isn’t much of a recruiter. Nor was he the greatest coach. Odell at least got things done many times throughout his career. It’s possible the success of the program pulled in the high profile recruits for Odell so he never had to really recruit hard or coach well and now that we’ve slumped it’s catching up with him. If that’s the case, he will be gone in a year or two.
But to answer your question, if, ALL things equal, Jimbo had the opportunity to go after a guy like Jones or a guy like Odell, he’d go after Jones. I’m 90% sure of it. But things aren’t equal, and we may hire Jones anyways.
McCray, McDaniel, McCloud, Jacobs
are not projects. If Cummings, McAllister and/or Dawkins have to spot play at DT next year, they aren’t projects either. Add in Barnes at DE who is not a project (I hope he wears garnet or gold cleats while at FSU, he wore bright blue while at FC), and you’ve got 8 solid players on the DL. White is done, imo. He’s just not that good (doesn’t have the MiNDSET), and Stevens and Jenkins may be good but need to get bigger. No clue about Hicks.
I definitely think this is Haggin’s make or break year. At most he gets 2 to show some major improvement.
Is Jacobs allowed to play?
his name doesn’t fit in the FSU last name rules.
Food coach?
Like a gardener?
Or like Kobayashi’s eating coach?
But you said good coach but an able(?) recruiter?
It....just...keeps....getting.....
BETTER!
Even though the team went 6-6 on the season and a possibility to end the post-season at 6-7 (though I think we win the Gator Bowl), the necessary changes all over FSU (both President and coaching staff) and the recruits committing has been nothing but a win to end the 2009 year.
Are they for sure giving all the Dline to Haggans?
Would be great for them to get a great DE coach?
No, I do NOT think Haggins get the whole DL.
I personally think Fisher is unsure of his coaching and recruiting ability and is only keeping him to get our DL commitments intact. I think we go after a STRONG DE coach, who, if Haggins underperforms in the next year or two, will take over full DL duties.
FSUn makes a good point, though.
I guess we’ve got 2 options:
1. Hire a DE coach and put Odell on notice.
2. Give Odell the whole DL and hire a DB coach to help Stoops with the secondary, since he’ll be the working with the whole D and may need help implementing his schemes for that unit.
Either option works. I guess I’d prefer the 2nd just because I think we could go out and hire a good DL coach if Odell didn’t show improvement in a year or two and we got rid of him.
Right, but he's still in charge of the entire defense.
He can’t coach DB’s 100% of the time. Much like Fisher can’t coach QB’s 100% of the time and hiring Craig was a wise move. and FSUn makes a good point in that we will be teaching an entirely different scheme in the secondary and having a 2nd coach to help install this system may be necessary.
There is a difference between a HC and a DC.
Fisher has to pay attention to what is going on the whole game because he is a HC. Unlike Fisher, Stoops does not have to pay attention to Coley’s offense and can make DB adjustments while our O is on the field.
And during games while Stoops is overseeing the defense while they're on the field, a DB coach can be specifically helping them.
Same thing during practice, which is where most of this “assistance” would take place.
We're going to disagree on this.
If Haggins is the only DL coach, yes, Stoops will have to help considerably with the DLs in practice, and we’ll need a DB coach. If we had Jones and Haggins on the line, Stoops won’t be anywhere near as distracted and can focus on the DBs. I would much rather have Stoops spending time with the DBs than the DLs.
As OC, Jimbo did not need a seperate QB coach because the amount of coaching you can do while a guy is on the field is limited. You can call timeout or talk to him at the sidelines for a few secs. Other than that, you draw plays on a chalk board, look at digital photos, and do the bulk of the coaching while your guys are on the sidelines. If the DBs make big mistakes like they did this year, the defense will be on the sidelines anyway because the other team will have scored. Overseeing the whole offense did not distract Jimbo from coaching Ponder on the sidelines any more than overseeing the whole defense will distract Stoops from coaching the DBs on the sidelines.
So what's the most obvious way to get help at both DL and DB positions?
You hire a coach for one unit and you grab a GA for the other unit, a la Buckley. That’s how you skirt around the coach limit and get another set of eyes on a position.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 20, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I was suggesting that the DC might have to help Haggins.
We have a lot of new guys coming in and a lot of young guys returning on the Dline. They fail to understand or execute basic concepts such as outside containment. If the line doesn’t stop the run, the DBs will need to come up to help. If they cannot get pressure, we’ll still be expecting our DBs to stay in coverage for forever. That is a recipe for failure.
If Haggins needs help or isn’t getting the job done, who will step in and help? Logical answers are Stoops or Hudson. It is a bit much to expect Hudson to work the front 7 while Stoops, a designated DB, and possibly a GA work on the back 4.
Also, I find it ironic that some suggest the DBs need a bunch of coaching, at the same time criticize successful DBs like T-Buck as guys who either didn’t need or didn’t isten to coaching b/c they were physical freaks, all while saying that the key to a Dline isn’t so much as coaching as it is just recruiting physical freaks. If raw talent level of the players correlates to the amount of coaching needed, I would humbly suggest that the line is the weakest part of our D and where we need the most coaching.
Odell and Dbs
It has been stated already that you need much more coaching in the defensive backfield than you do on the line and that is 100 percent true. Your tbuck argument is an exception to the rule; he was physically more talented than the guys he was covering. Also another point is that the schemes and routes run now days are much more intricate than when tbuck was dominating the college scene. One of the things that I saw our dbs do time and time again was stop there feet in coverage. DB rule number one NEVER STOP YOUR FEET, which is a bad habit that will take tons of reps and coaching to be, broke. While in man coverage you can’t be peaking into the backfield another thing all our guys do which has to be broke. If you have never tried to learn (by playing yourself) what pattern reading is? You can’t fully understand how much coaching and time watching film it takes to grasp the practice and then execute it at full speed against an opponent. You must remember we were for the most part a cover 1 or cover 0 team, our dbs have so much molding and coaching that has to be done to learn the basic concepts of most zone schemes its going to take 2 years to fully see this thing blossom into something special and even then it might not. One of the best safeties is the NFL Ed Reed isn’t one because of how fast tall or big he is, its his understanding of down and distance , route combinations and tendencies. Those qualities are all things that can be coached to a player and once he understands why you run the scheme and what the desired result of the scheme is you get a player who can then go make plays. I know some are going to say instincts are what make him so good, well those instincts are heightened by his knowledge and understanding of the game.
I think most people have to remember that when speaking of the entire Dline it’s not fair to speak of Odell solely. He didn’t coach the Ends who in all honesty were the huge problem on our team; he coached the tackles and did a damn good job of it. His fault has been in recruiting and I believe that is something that will be fixed. If we are speaking to his coaching simply he did a damn good job, I have read and heard time and time again people here complain about how Kendal smith missed a tackle, ran by another tackle. Well that would be Odell’s freshman and None talented seniors allowing him to even have the chance to make those tackles. If you just start to think around the country at the top tackles names your hearing, you will realize most of them are juniors and seniors. They play big boy football in the trenches and no matter how talented they are freshman aren’t going to dominate and sophomores are going to be good at best. So the fact that we have played at the level inside that we have you should stand up and applaud that man and give him a chance when he is working with guys who realistically can contribute.
by 21nole24 on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just a tip
Paragraph format is a lot easier to read than just one big block. A lot of people will skip over your comment because it’s just “painful”-looking.
As for you actual content, I have no idea how difficult pattern-reading is. It clearly sounds more intricate than our current scheme. And I agree that Odell is a good teacher of the game (wasn’t he considered for the Buc’s DL job a few years back?), but recruiting is HALF of being a good coach. So, lately, he has NOT been a good coach, imo. I think what quite a few others do, that he is on “watch” and if he doesn’t bring it up to the level that’s expected of FSU coaches, he’ll be gone soon.
I played a game
once called “Just the Tip”…
couldn't help myself..
just watched Wedding Crashers again the other night.
It has already been stated by Fisher that stoops WILL coach the entire secondary.
that is how stoops wants it…. with a zone heavy route reading D. He wants to make sure they act as a unit. the other coach will probably coach DE’s.
Yeah, right!
He never said Stoops would be the only one coaching that unit though.
I have no idea what Jimbo will do, but we cannot rule out the possibility of a DB assistant.
There's no disagreeing necessary.
I don’t think it will be a DB assistant either. But I also thought we were done with offensive hires before Dameyune was brought on.
It's not that DB coaching is "harder" or that DB's need "more" coaching, imo.
It’s that we will be installing an entirely new scheme in the secondary and a 2nd coach would be beneficial there in the short term. It is a POSSIBILITY. It is not like this is set in stone.
Either Odell gets a GA or Stoops does. Who cares. There are obviously only two possibilities on which position the final coach will be, DB or DE. If you think a DE coach is more important than a second DB coach (for a year or two), that’s fine.
I don’t see the DC “coaching” other positions than his own. That just doesn’t make any sense. You coach your position and you make sure the whole defense knows the gameplan and schemes and certainly, if you notice something and can provide a DL or LB a pointer, you give it to them, but you don’t coach the DL in practice when you’re the DB coach.
I apoligize I had it in paragraph format
When I transfered it over for some reason it showed like this my fault.
Damn straight it is. lol
But in all seriousness, it’s not a big deal. So many readers on here I couldn’t remember if you were a new guy that didn’t realize or what. Only reason i said anything.
i see what youre saying...
Just as jimbo coached the offense last year, he still had time to coach the QB(s) because all other positions were taken care of -this year Stoops will coach the D and still have time to take care of the DBs, but only if we get other positions taken care of (hence we need to hire another DL/DE coach).
But it goes both ways bc I see what trick is saying, and what Fsun said above – we will need extra help w DBs this year to adjust to new schemes out there, and one person should have no problem coaching the line – as long as he’s good (and I guess he is if Jimbo trusts him).
I do believe that a stout d line makes the defense though (pressure on the QB changes everything), so I’m excited to see what happens -Either way, it will be Jimbo’s decision and should be a good one
by LETSGONOLES on Dec 20, 2009 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
SIMPLY AMAZING
Great Pick up – and it says a whole lot about Stoops considering we were putting Hudson into consideration for the DC position itself. I have problems signing in through my phone, but man do I live and die by this site (love that there is a mobile site for my phone – i literally refresh the page on my phone when i wake up and about once an hour…seriously) – and when I heard this news, I had to come on and finally lay down a comment on a computer…
AMAZING Pick up, not only in terms of coaching, but recruiting
Love everyones comments and read them as if they were an extension of the article.
Keep it up TN and keep it up readers!
Thanks very much, happy to have you aboard!
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
MAN !!!
HOW AM I GONNA MAKE IT THRU THE NEXT 8 MONTHS. I AM SO GEEKED!!!!
LOVE THIS SITE !!!
I CHECK THIS SITE AT LEAST HOURLY, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND TO READ THE INTELLIGENT AND INSIGHTFUL ARTICLES YOU GUYS POST. CONSIDER ME ADDICTED.
by so.fulnole on Dec 19, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you and thanks for your contributions!
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
With one spot for field coach left
and the caliber of staff so far, I’d look for a young, up and coming DE coach with connections to Georgia/North Florida recruiting grounds.
I’ve posted elsewhere that I thought that recruiting territories will influence who gets hired. Hudson hits the Carolinas/mid-Atlantic states connection I predicted. If I’m to bat a thousand, look for someone connected to Georgia and/or North Florida to round it out.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 19, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions
And that criteria would include
Travis Jones, who played and was a grad assistant at Georgia.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 19, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jimbo is swinging for the fences
Just another great hire. Solid coach and solid recruiter. Jimbo hasn’t made one misstep since he took over and it is unbelievable the quality of coaches he is now pulling into FSU. Consider me officially pumped for next year.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Great Hire!!
I was hoping for Manny Diaz (when he was still available) only because i didn’t think we had a chance to bring in Hudson unless it was for a DC position. Good work Jimbo.
This is a great hire!
I never thought Hudson would leave ECU to be our LB coach.
Great news!
Wonder what Dabo & Shannon are thinking? Also wonder what Akuna, Jones, and our other recruits are thinking.
Dabo should be scared
FSU will be a huge road block for Clemson to get to the ACC title game. Therefore, without Clemson making the ACC title game or winning the ACC, Dabo will most likely be let go.
and he won't have Tommy's all-star recruits anymore
many of whom should have been at FSU anyway.
Not that I hope it isn't true...
but I’ll believe it 100 percent when I see an official release. One blurb on Rivals just doesn’t do it for me….
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by onebarrelrum on Dec 19, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
FSU hasn't officially announced any of our new coaching hires yet
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Fisher has commented on all three
And Gran, Stoops and Craig have all confirmed they are coming to FSU. I wouldn’t expect a confirmation on this one until Monday or Tuesday though.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 19, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
This came from the giy who originally tipped us to stoops that Tuesday. Around 4pm today. My car, phone, computer and cable/tv broke so I’ve been unable to check voicemail. Glad I finally did at 6ish today.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously...
How is life in Amish country?
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 20, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
The Stoops tip was on the up and up so I'll trust this one too.
Do you think it is possible we have offered him a title of something like, “Assistant Defensive Coordinator?” I realize that he would still probably make more even just being a linebackers coach at FSU but I’m thinking he gets a better title than just “LB coach.”
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 20, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
That guy will take your mother out for a nice seafood dinner and NEVER call her again.
DOROTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT!!
GREAT HIRE
If thisdoes indeed happen.This has to help in recruiting, even if these guys(Stoops and Hudson) are not from a kids particular area, the kids network so much today and they know the NOLES ARE CLOSE TO BACK!!!
its actually myface, spacebook, and twatter, theyre all the rage right now
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
hilarious
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 20, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
haha.
he actually got Ray Drew to write on his wall the other day.
Smith > that Hardy kid for UT.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 20, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
also, did you see the freakout when Willis said he was in Jacksonville?
Like 5 UT fans in a row asked why rivals wasn’t showing that he decommitted. Then one finally realized that there aren’t any schools in Jax he would be going to.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 20, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good hire
I am shocked because I was just reading that this was rumored on ECU’s rival site and like a lot of others I had a bit of doubt about him going from DC to LB coach. I think it is a good hire because he can coach good solid technique to our LBs and show them how they fit into a modern college defense. Don’t know if he is a great recruiter, but if he isn’t we have Coley, Gran and Jimbo to chase down the top of our Board and Haggins, Craig, Stoops, Hudson and one other coach to go after the rest of the board. With the talent in our recruiting footprint that is enough for a steady flow of monster classes as long as we perform on the field.
I would expect him to recruit Ga for us as well. excellent hire. DSU is throwing the money around and playing SEC ball.
which we have been lacking for a while now. I’m excited to see what he can do for our very talented linebacker corps. Well, at least I think we have very good starters, and Carr is a great backup
I think he will remain one.
Bradham, Luc, Jones are all better than Carr, imo. But he may start out as the starter simply due to experience.
I agree
I think he is at the very least, extremely excited, especially in the student section seeing someone so pumped up all the time.
I think he has a good chance to start, we’ll see though. Plus
looks like we're coming back with a vengeance.
I wouldn’t wanna play us next season. May the ass whooping commence! :D
I probably don't know Judo, but I have a black belt in crazy.
Give it Two years
Next year will be a little soon, but should see major improvement.
I don't think all our players will grasp the defense in one year and
make that big of a turn around. Hoping im wrong though.
malweka I can read your mind, you are tired of listening to gators
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Jimbo!
is the man. He just continues to impress.
don't make me smash your face
by Shocker Milwaukee on Dec 19, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions
I guess Ill be watching the Saints D-line extra close tonight then
I hope we get Jones as the DE coach, since I guess if someone is qualified to coach an entire unit, the new DC should be fine with both safeties and corners.
Anyone know what in particular he does for the Saints? like ends or whatever? or just overall line assisting
Hudson was my pick for DC
Hudson will have our LB eating dirt for Breakfast. He is a freak!! Watched him recruit my neighbor,and he reminds me of Coley. What a staff
I think i'd rather have
our LB’s making the other team eat dirt for breakfast
"We'll win games with talent, but we'll win championships with character and intelligence."
by SteadfastNole on Dec 19, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
SWEET!
I think this hire along with the other defensive side hires will get Christian Jones to commit. I can’t wait to see what our recruiting class looks like after National Signing Day!
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 19, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions
If that happens I would be shocked.
I hope Jimbo has a plan to keep all of those egos in check.
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
youd be fine, the locker room would be empty, everyone would be murdered
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
by NorFla_Nole on Dec 19, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Future Defensive Coordinator???
This could be Jimbo’s way of already having Greg Hudson on staff learning the ACC/FSU defense under Mark Stoops all the while knowing that Stoops will be a head coach candidate in the next few years, especially if the defense dramatically improves under Stoops.
What is the status of our newly hired coaches?
Are they leaving their current/previous schools before they play their bowl game to help us recruit? So far Craig is the only one not tied up in a post-season football game.
They aren't on the job yet
They don’t officially join the staff until Jan. If they are still working at their old job until then depends on their current coaches. I would think once they have signed on the line most coaches would say they could leave at that point, but the rules would still stop them from recruiting until Jan.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 19, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks fsw and osceolafan
With Brian Kelly jetting early before a BCS bowl didn’t know if any of our hires were in the same boat. I know ND is a whole different animal though. Oh, and the boys at Cincy took kindly to him leaving……………
Something about a silent, no-contact recruiting period between Dec 18 & Jan 4 per NCAA
Guess that applies to everyone except the Tenn. Hostesses.
"Young lady, if you don't stop that, we're going to have a problem"
What a damn buzzkill…
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
"Do I make you randy, baby?"
If I were the father, I would’ve told her to get the hell away, too. THAT’S not the reason I want my son basing an important decision on. He could get a** anytime he wants once he’s on any campus in America. And, did you see the pics of those girls? Most of them were average or below. So odds are the girl was some nasty UF-looking girlcowpig.
Question
In all seriousness, what team in all of college football has more positive momentum, positive feelings for the future than FSU? We are like a freight train right now. While this hasnt won any games yet, this def goes to the mentality of process vs results.
Obviously Alabama and Texas are feeling pretty good about themselves, so excluding them, and as a matter of fact screw them. Up until the nat’l championship game, FSU is dominating college football at the moment.
My opinion is that our momentum isn't as positive or strong as most of us think.
The media doesn’t care about any of these hires. I’ve yet to see any of them mentioned on ESPN or even the ticker (certainly possible I just missed it). We got credit for the recruits we landed and that certainly made some noise. And we’re not really allowed to talk to recruits in this period, so the impact it has on them is probably minimal for the time being.
It’s definitely good momentum, but when you hear more about “losing a legend” than the “Seminole Uprising” in the media, the momentum isn’t that great. Don’t get me wrong, these are most definitely very good moves for the future of the program.
Stoops
Stoops was mentioned on ESPN, but Pos Coaches aren’t that big of a deal to the general media so they won’t get a mention. I also think people are going oerboard expecting these hires to make our targets instantly commit. I doubt these names are that big to a 17 or 18 yr old getting most of their news from ESPN.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
I look at it more in the senset that
I know based on prior excellent writeups of the qualifications of these guys. Granted, the momentum is an underlying current since as you said, 17/18 y/o’s arent going to commit on the spot. That said, we are bringing in guys that are unbelievably qualified. I look forward to the day when Im watching my team play an entire game without thinking, “I wish these kids had been taught what they were supposed to do.” We are seeing it on offense, and defense should be dominant again soon. The foundation is key, and Jimbo is putting himself in a position to succeed.
I’m glad to see all this good news but I wish bobby had the stones to have done this.
So FSUncensored who do you think would be helping to coach DB’s?
So the rumors/hints of Smart coming over after Bama wins NC might be true?
Stay classy, Tallahassee!
Oops.
Was half asleep after returning from movies (Avatar). Meant rumors of Sunseri as a position coach.
Stay classy, Tallahassee!
Yeah, It's gonna be hard to get a ticket
for it in IMAX for awhile I’d imagine. I watched it in a newer Cobb theater, not bad (watched children of men in that same theatre a couple years ago and the sound in there is insanely good) but certainly no IMAX. I’ll be watching it again hopefully in IMAX after X-Mas.
Well I just found out that the only IMAX in Dayton, OH doesn't appear to be showing the movie.
Maybe I’ll just choose the 3D option. Sigh.
That stinks but this 3-D not like any 3-D i've seen before
you’ll definately enjoy the special effects
I’d love us to pay clemson’s harbison 200k. He’s tremendous and he is black.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 19, 2009 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like that you brought that up.
Minority hiring is very good for a program.
Aren't you using the same coach twice?
Anyway, a program is going to get hammered if they have a monochrome staff. No way to get around that.
That is one really nice thing about Florida’s predicament, they lose Strong, but almost HAVE to find an African American candidate to replace him. Just as a function of numbers, this really hurts their selection pool.
Willingham did pretty well at Stanford.
And there are just as many white dudes that flop as coaches as there are black, so I’m not sure what your remark has to do with anything. It honestly seems a little unKosher to me.
But you're referring to HCs
and the above were referring to assistant coaches.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
get these carolina boys down to the sunshine state
Great news! This guy seems like an animal of a coach. Plus he can recruit these hard hitting boys from carolinas. Living in NC I can tell you there are several hotbeds up here that are waiting to be picked by FSU and Mr. Hudson is just the man. I’ve heard he is an agressive mind recruiter like Coley. Jimbo is building his masterpiece. I can’t wait to come down to Tally and see our 1st game next season. Any idea who that will be?
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Dec 19, 2009 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
where are you getting dates?
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Dec 19, 2009 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't wait to play BYU.
And this time its in Tally.
First real game?
Are you assuming we are just going to roll through Oklahoma on the road?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
im thinking the first game will be Samford, unless another "cupcake" team is announced on the schedule
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
by NorFla_Nole on Dec 19, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
TN brings the story much ealier than Warchant or Noles Digest Again!!
I’ve got to say that I love the site and I love seeing how some guys who are passionate about FSU can blow away the info of the other sites. Thanks.
Wow, this helps being snowed in
Can I just give a shout out to Jimbo Fisher, who is making bomb-a** decisions in building his squad? This is just getting ridiculous. I’d like to temper my expectations (and I have for next year), but I can’t wait to see the fine-tuned and polished product from these guys.
Should
Should be hearing about some commitments here within the week now with this hire … Be warned ACC & the rest of the nation, the Noles have a message for you …
Therrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre baaaaaaaaaaaack!
This is truly amazing.
Jimbo is just pickin schools pockets right now
FSUjab you just took the words right out of my mouth er keypad
This is unbelievable, I would have been happy to have this guy as defensive coordinator.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Wow again
We don’t have many scholarships left but I would venture recruits will flood in for the few remaining, especially defensive recruits.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Whoa!!!!
thats awesome. I dont know much about ECU. Have they faced the spread?
Houston runs the spread.
I think Keenum set some sort of record for most completions in one game or something against ECU this year.
I know I didn't mean for it to sound negative.
I actually watched some of that game, and ECU did a pretty good job containing Houston.
They beat Houston
all that matters…lol
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by Kelvin Hunt on Dec 20, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
They did put up close to 600 yards of offense.
I was shocked win Kelvin Hunt said they won. I had to go back to the box score and see for myself to believe it.
You have to keep in mind the talent at ECU
It isn’t even comparable to what is at FSU
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
But the talent at ECU is comparable to the talent at Houston, etc.
So they should be playing well against their own talent tier. Hudson’s had some good and some not so good seasons.
I was speaking more in generalities
He has had some solid defenses with nothing but 2 and 3 stars
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I'm speaking in relative terms.
His defenses have been good for their talent tier and they’ve been not so good.
Right...
One of the things consistently mentioned with Hudson is his defenses’ ability to create turnovers…
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, that appears to be his saving grace.
That and their upsets over quality opponents a few years ago are the ONLY reasons I’m at all interested in him.
I just heard they are bringing in Kirby Smart as DE coach!
I kid I kid!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
no
i doubt this will happen.
he is not moving sideways, he wants to move up the ladder
he wont be a position coach if he changes jobs.
he will either be the new DC or assistant DC
but he wont be position coach
he said exactly that at piratebay
Greg Hudson has not been hired yet
and not one newspaper outlet has confirmed the story on Sunday morning. All this premature noise by multiple FSU websites competing with each other “to break the news first” and can’t be making Jimbo a very happy guy this morning. If he was trying to keep this on the down low until the contract was signed, well it just backfired. Watch ECU find some money and Hudson changes is mind. This is not a confirmed hire by anyone that counts at the moment. You guys have jumped the gun.
When was the last time
a newpaper broke a story anyway? Newspaper outlets are constantly behind – hence the failure of many of them.
I’d venture that these various sites competing with each other have excellent ‘sources’ at both schools. TN has been on point with each hire so far. I’d bet they’ll be right on this one too.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Dec 20, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
What's that saying?
$$$$ Talks and bullshit walks. Double his salary at a much more highlt recognized school with the ability to advance more quickly, likely future promotion to DC at FSU. He is on the way to Tally.
Go Noles!!!
This is not about competition whatsoever
If you haven’t noticed, TN does not operate under the guise of undermining paysites. None of us do this for a living and most of us are students in graduate school. We do this because we love FSU and sharing information we have with our fellow fans when we learn of it. And btw if you knew of the source who broke this, you’d retract your statements.
Appreciate the viewpoint but would like to hear your thoughts later on. And one more thought, newspapers are a dying breed. As evidenced by you posting on this site.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 20, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinkin the same thing
I dont think this site thrives because it breaks the latest scoop (it does do that, but that isnt why its thriving), but rather because of some pretty in depth analysis.
Where TN really pops is when they break the info, AND THEN analyze the shit out of it.
Thanks
You’re right, we really don’t care about “breaking” things first. Analysis is our M.O.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 20, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Nevertheless
I still see lots of sh!t here before other"pay" sites. Way before(hours not minutes) in some cases. This just goes to show the persistent and constant work ethic the contributors to this site have.Intentional or not, this sight is superior to the rest IMHO. Now if you’ll excuse me i’m going to drink a few Bud lights and hope E.Brown sacks Favre again.
Another good TN trait
No sugar-coating.
by CelticPride on Dec 20, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
"If we knew of the source who broke this..."
I actually do know who broke this it. It was me…because I hired him, bitches.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
The story is premature
Believe in Santa if you want but this story is pre-mature. Just watch it develop through the day. Hudson may certainly be coming to FSU but it isn’t done yet.
Well do us a favor
and let us know when the NY Times confirms it.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Dec 20, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NY Times, lol!
the info on here is the best you’ll find on the Noles. I think ffnole is a Bowden. Come back and gloat if Hudson doesn’t come…but I don’t think anyone here’s worried about that happening.
Way to cover yourself
Funny you say everyone is believing in Santa like the story is wrong, but then at the end say Hudson may well be coming. So which is it?
As for this hire not being confirmed by anyone, is it the way the modern media works that you don’t understand or is it the coaching business? Big scope media like ESPN and SI could care less what any school does with a position coaching slot so they might not even announce the hire once it is official. Newspapers have reduced staff to the point where they can not scoop anything. Quality websites offer specialized, specific coverage and are the ones with the sources now because print media members are spread so thin. And every hire like this is agreed to verbally days before the contract is signed. I can’t think of one time when TN has said something is a deal done and been wrong, much less a time when TN and WC BOTH said something is a done deal and they have been wrong.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
he was getting paid 168 k for a reason. thats all the can afford to pay. if they didnt want to lose him, they would have probably already paid him before tn and wc said he agreed to the job. We doubled his pay. No way ecu can match that. I’d assume skip barely makes that much.
Good Point
He will now be making roughly 25% of the total salaries of assistants at ECU
Skip makes 1.3 mil FWIW
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-coaches-contracts-database.htm
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
That's not too out of whack, imo.
Until Fisher came along Bobby was making $2.5M but no assistant was making more than $400K, right? Seems like the same situation.
Here you go
The crack team at the Ft. Myers ’ News-press is all over it
http://www.news-press.com/article/20091220/SPORTS/91220001/1075/FSU-s-Fisher-glad-contract-is-done
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I cannot seem to get a fanpost posted with this new program
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I guess Hudson won't be official until CBS and a government statement is issued
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
It is OFFICIAL. It has been posted as PREMIUM info on WC. Pay me to read what you already know!!
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
LOL
dot com.
Hilarious. I hear Obama will read the confirmation off of a teleprompter later too.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Dec 20, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
DOT.COM
That is a hilarious handle fellow, I almost wish I had thought of that. Others that come to mind.
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" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
or Gene Williams
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Dec 20, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I didnt want to go that far, but I always though Dot Com was the lamest name on the intrawebs.
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
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by tdchrisdavis on Dec 20, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Santa Claus
I have always said anybody who blissfully adopts the views of the main stream media is like talking to an adult who still believes in Santa Claus.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Slow down on the koolaide
And let’s also realize this might also be a bad move as you do not want too many chiefs. We have a dc now and I would be fine with a young coach who is able to teach linebackers. Hudson could be the same problem as ctc in that he could be more worried about his next move back up.
by nolestuff on Dec 20, 2009 11:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
leadership at the top
As long as the HC is in charge it is hard to have too many chiefs. Jimbo will just lay out the chain of command and I don’t see any coach on the staff who is in a position to try and go against it. With the exception of Stoops none of the others could walk out and find the same position open to them at another BCS school.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
It can be "laid out" all we want...
and it could be followed, but a chain of command doesn’t squelch emotions.
It’s not like Hudson was a DC at a no-name organization. East Carolina won their conference, beating a ranked team in doing so.
Now he’s the LB coach at FSU? Working UNDER a guy who is roughly the same age, and was a “better candidate” than Hudson for the DC job?
I know it’s not fun to focus on the negatives, but we honestly have no idea how this is going to play out. It very well could be a disaster, and we lose Hudson or Stoops after one year.
I’m just saying, I don’t THINK it’ll happen, but to say it couldn’t happen would be foolish.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
These are big boys.
They know what they are signing up for. So do we. No one expects Hudson to stay the LB coach forever. Everyone expects Stoops to move into a HC job in 2-3 years. You always run the risk of having guys not get along when you assemble a new staff. I’d rather take that risk with a staff of very good coaches.
Right...I wasn't so much disagreeing
as throwing out how it looks “on paper”. If Stoops is as good as we all hope he is, I expect him to land a HC job in 3 years or so.
Probably just an unspoken DC-in-waiting arrangement.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I thought you hired the guy.
Why would you hire him if you didn’t think he would know his place and do his job very well? Some AD you are.
Trick
I hired him because Bobby is friends with Hudson’s grandma.
I have no idea where he came from, or what he was doing before this. I’m hoping that he coached football somewhere, but I can’t be sure.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
No
Hudson’s grandma wasn’t much of a cook, from what I recall. I had dinner with them once, and she butchered the asparagus. She didn’t wash it out well enough, and undercooked it. She also forgot to add the Mrs. Dash.
It was a terrible dinner. Also, I was sitting next to Skip Holtz’s dad, and got spit on all dinner. So did my food.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
good points, but you gotta like the chances of Jimbo keeping Greg in line better than Bobby keeping Chuck in line
For all we know, Bobby let Amato walk around the locker room with a t-shirt saying “I’m the REAL HCIW. Recognize”
(Lettering on the back of the shirt due to contouring issues)
by The K-Man on Dec 21, 2009 6:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
nolestuff has been listening to jtally too long
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Is anyone else seeing a familar pattern with the all the titles and supposed chain of command? Give or take on the titles and the positions they will be coaching, that's not my point.
Jimbo Fisher – Head Coach
Mark Stoops – Executive Head Coach(?)/Defensive Coordinator
Rick Trickett – Asst. Head Coach / Offensive Line
Greg Hudson – Associate Head Coach(?)/ Linebackers (if he does sign)
Eddie Gran – Associate Head Coach(?)/running Backs
James Coley – Offensive Coordinator
Lawrence Dawsey – Wide Receivers Coach
Odell Haggins – Defensive Tackles Coach
Dameyune Craig – Coach
xxxxxxxxxxxx – Defensive Ends or Defensive Backs Coach
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx – Head Football Strength and Speed Coach
Not that I am concerned about the same lack of accountability under Jimbo, but is it right for Coley to be a Off Coor, and the guys reporting to him Trickett is a Asst. Head Coach, and Gran a Assoc Head Coach (as tentatively reported)?
I fully understand the title game in relation to paying for talent, and I fully expect there will be no more chain of command issues, but it is too many titles for my taste. Just my opinion.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
UF, Texas and USCw seem to have no apparent problems with giving out titles similar to ours
and they are able to function at a very high level.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I agree, kinda lame but
what ever we have to do to get as many top notch coaches in here is fine with me. They can name them generals in Fisher Caesar’s army as long as they get the job done.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 20, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
NO!
Then Trickett would be offended.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
The key point here is
leadership and accountability at the top. Part of the reason that the dissention and in-fighting got out of control the last few years is because the man at the top was asleep at the wheel and apparently did little to nothing to put a stop to it. I dont think Jimbo will put up with that kind of crap. BB didnt seem to care or just turned a blind eye.
As has been said, this is done at EVERY school.
I don’t know if it’s necessary, but I suppose certain “administrative” duties are delegated to these coaches based upon their “title” and job description. That’s the only reason I see any sense in all the Executive/Assistant/Associate Head Coach stuff.
Neither of Bama's Coordinators have special titles...
Two of the position coaches do instead; I assume that they do this to keep good position coaches happy, for the coordinators I think having coordinator in their title, and the extra pay, is enough to keep them happy.
I'm fairly certain
I thought the DC at Bama was the head coach of the defense according to his title.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
i think it refers to their pay bracket, and then who they coach, not much more than that
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Can anyone tell from the picture if his beard has a "red" tint to it?
2 Gingers running the D? Woah.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 20, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions
I think I also saw a hint of ginger in Kirby Smart too?
What’s going on Jimbo?
d-coord rankings
this gives us two of the top 25 d-coords in the country…in their last rankings, rivals.com had mark stoops at #20 and hudson as #22. this is about where they ranked in the preseason so we’re not getting one-hit wonders.
Tennessee
Had what seemed like an all star staff in kiffin’s first year and it was clear he was the head man. With Gran leaving after just one year though it proves a bunch of big names is no more important than chemistry.
by nolestuff on Dec 20, 2009 3:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He also didn't pay his staff top dollar.
Hence Gran making something like $300-350K more at FSU over the next 3 years than he would’ve made at UT.
Our DE play was terrible this year
I would rather see a good DE coach here. Haggins is not a particularly good DT coach to begin with, I really don’t think he has what it takes to coach DEs.
Disagree
I disagree about Haggins not being a good DT coach. Outside of being too small, which he has no control over, the DTs perform well. Jmac was especially good for a freshman. The DTs also maintained their responsibilities the best they could. There really is no reason Haggins couldn’t coach both, the question is can he recruit at a high enough level. I think if his area is only Ga and No Fla he will be fine provided we win.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
He DEFINITELY has control over the size of our DTs.
RECRUIT BETTER.
by tricknole on Dec 20, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Recruiting + Teaching = Coaching
You can’t be a good coach if you aren’t a good recruiter and/or teacher
Aren't you arguing this the other way in the BBall thread?
Teaching = coaching, recruiting = recruiting?
Heh?
Teaching + Recruiting = Coaching
That’s my position. It’s just easy (old habit) to use “coaching” interchangeably with “teaching”. If you understand what I’m saying. A college coach must recruit AND teach the game/fundamentals/schemes/etc. You can’t be a good college coach if you can’t teach and recruit. I do reserve the right to adjust my opinion as I come across new information and/or other opposing, yet valid observations.
No he doesn't
As a DT coach you can not recruit anyone that the DC doesn’t give you the OK to recruit. Mickey’s entire system was built on speed and having everyone play a position down. If Haggins liked a kid and Andrews and/or Amato thought the kid was too big then the kid didn’t get an offer from FSU.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
So when you're given the ok, LAND THE KID.
He’s whiffed on numerous guys over the last few years. I still strongly disagree with you here.
Disagree with what?
Are you saying that you think Haggins had carte blanche to sign whoever he wanted? Position coaches don’t have that kind of pull. With most teams it is up to the OC and DC, and the HC has final say over who gets an offer. The D-line coach would have suggestions if he has seen film on a kid but suggesting is all he can do. The FSU system was to use smaller, faster players long before Haggins showed up so he wasn’t going to be able to change that.
I agree Haggins missed on some kids, but with the scheme we run even if the kids could have ended up around 300 lbs our team would have had their weighs stay down the same way they have been doing with Bradham.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I stopped at carte blanche.
No. I didn’t say that. But Amato wasn’t on the team but for the past 3 years. How many going-to-be seniors do we have that are any good? Wait, better yet, how many going to be seniors do we have? Answer: zero. How many upperclassmen? One.
Obviously Odell couldn’t pull all the strings himself. But are you saying he wasn’t allowed to go after Willis, Austin, (that DL at Illinois from a year or two ago), John Brown, Torrey Davis, etc., etc.? We went after PLENTY of quality DL and he just hasn’t been able to land them the past several years.
I agree
Regardless of what scheme you run (4-3 man under, cover 2),I believe the success of that scheme is ultimately be determined by the play of the d-line. I’m as excited about anyone with the recruiting developments of the past few weeks. But that will go for naught if the Marvin Austins, Arthur Jones’ and Allen Bailey’s continue to go elsewhere.
Linebackers can only perform at 3/4 of the their ability if they are constantly pre-occupied with disengaging from guards as opposed to diagnostics and pursuit. And don’t be surprised if, with good coaching at the next level, P-Rob ends up being equal or better than Haden. People tend to crap on Patrick in these posts, but Haden (good and well rounded a corner as he is) simply was not asked to do the same things, and was surrounded by way better talent. Dunlap and Cunningham, namely!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 21, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Andrews liked them small as well
You should have read the whole post since it is short and you are now asking questions I already answered.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 21, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think Haggins is a good DT coach when he has good players
but I think DT and DE are too totally different positions.
Not all that different
A DE and DT are going to use the same bag of moves to get past the o-lineman. DT has more responsibility in rushing defense, but so does the MLB and nobody would try to say that a person who coaches OLBs couldn’t coach the entire LB corp.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 20, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of DT's and DE's
Whats up TB nation…gotta say i love the site…lol its my homepage….just thought i get in the mix of everything for once………so i was just wondering since we are talkinga bout coaches and players….why are we not going after players like….Ronald Powell,Owamagbe Odighizuwa, Carlos Thompson, Jackson Jeffcoat, Gabe King, Sharrif Floyd, Jeffrey Whitaker, Mike Thornton, Carlton Martin, Byran Jones, and teammate to joyner Safety Brian Robinson or even Rashad Knight…All are 4 to 5 star recruits. And with all coaching changes i am only hoping we go after these guys to save our defense.
by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Dec 20, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions
As Nole93 said, it is a little too late
FSU was completely dysfunctional up to a couple weeks ago and recruits like that wanted nothing to do with our program. Plus the majority of the guys you mentioned are 1000+ miles away from Tally, not something we should be messing with at this point in time.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
umm but what if...
But isn’ that the point of recruiting?? Is to go find the best talent you can find? And all those guys i mentioned are uncommitted and guys we should be going after. 1000 miles away don’t mean nuthin we got mike harris committed to us and he lives in Cali. NOt to mention you got Randell who is a 5 star beast DE out of cali who got Gators on top. All because they are going after him hard. If we got in the mix he would see that we are on the rise and a better place for him to be at. Since we are in a desperate need of DT, DE, and S. And especially going after Brian Robinson is a no brainer he is teammates to joyner i’m sure he would comit on the spot.
by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions
Mike Harris
is from Miami, just played juco in CA
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