Preview and Game Thread: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks vs Florida State Seminoles, 7pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks at Florida St. Seminoles, Dec 22, 2009 7:00 PM EST
If there is a game this season that could be defined as a trap game, this is it. Coming off an exciting over time victory in Atlanta over a ranked Georgia Tech team is the perfect recipe for a young team to take a nose dive playing against an opponent like Tennessee-Martin. It would be easy for the Seminoles to relax and feel comfortable that their win against Georgia Tech guarantees wins against the next few opponents. This is not the time to cruise, but to continue to develop from that game as the true ACC season is rapidly approaching. Tonight, Florida State will take on the Skyhawks from Tennessee-Martin at the Tucker Center. Continue reading for the preview.
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Game Time: 7pm EST
Television: FSFL
Winning a road game in the ACC was a major necessary hurdle that the Seminoles would need to cross at some point. Heading into Sunday evening's game in Atlanta, few thought it would be this early in the season, nor would it occur in the way that it did. The Seminoles defense was able to shut down, frustrate and limit Gani Lawal and Derrick Favors at the offensive end of the court. One could argue that one or the other could be limited, but not both. Now it is time for the Seminoles to move on and take care of business with the schedule between now and January 10th when they head to College Park, Maryland to take on the 'Terps.
The University of Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks enter the game with a 1-8 record. Their only win is over Harris Stowe (Mo.), which is an NAIA Division I team. The remainder of their opponents include the following: Southern Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas St, Morehead St, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri St, Central Arkansas and Evansville.
Currently, the Skyhawks have an Offensive Efficiency of 88.7, 304th nationally, and a defensive efficiency of 107.8, 282nd nationally. They rank 349th in the nation in the RPI, compared to Florida State at 31. UT-Martin currently averages 66.8 points per game and are scoring 0.9 points per possession. They allow 80.4 points per game, which equates to 1.09 points per possession. The Seminoles are averaging only 69 points per game but only give up 58.2 points per game. If you translate that to tempo free stats, the Noles are only allowing opponents to score 0.85 points per possession. The average points scored per possession in college basketball is 1, technically 0.99. That is why the Seminoles have the 6th best defense in the nation statistically. The only teams ahead of them are: Texas, Minnesota, Purdue, Duke and Temple. The ACC has five teams in the top 20 in defensive efficiency.
Where UT-Martin is going to have significant trouble against Florida State is in their ability to shoot the ball. Seems like an obvious point, but consider this: UT-Martin has an eFG% of 41.1% on the year. Only two of their opponents this year have a defensive efficiency of 120 or better (Missouri and Missouri State). They also turn the ball over at a high rate (TO% 23.8) They do, however, force their opponents to turn the ball over on 22.1% of possessions. It seems that UT-Martin tries to beat you by running you out of the gym. They have one of the highest tempos in the game. But, as Tomahawk Nation demonstrated earlier this year, tempo does not equal success. As none of their games have been played on ESPN360, we are not able to paint a great picture of what their offense or defense is really like.
Lineup:
Here is UT-Martin's likely starting lineup:
F #1 Benzor Simmons 6'5 215lbs Junior
F #25 Andres Irrarazabal 6'7 235lbs Junior
G #2 Delrico Lane 6'1 190lbs Freshman
G #10 Cataurius Taylor 5'10 185lbs Junior
G #34 Terrance Coleman 6'4 170lbs Freshman
Unfortunately for the Skyhawks they are one of the relatively short teams in Division I basketball. Not every conference can be as lucky as the ACC in that every team has at least one seven footer. Their average height is 6'3. The Seminoles' average height is 6'7. Plus the effective height of the Noles is +4.2, compared to - 1.6.
Benzor Simmons is their go to guy. He is averaging 20 points per game and is shooting 50% from the floor and has an Ortg of 109.5. The Skyhawks do go to their bench early and often as they have three players on the bench who are averaging 10+ points per game: Spencer, Clayton and Lane.
The Seminoles will continue with the Alabi, Singleton, Reid, Dulkys and Kitchen lineup. It would be nice if Michael Snaer is able to get some significant playing time tonight. If the Seminoles can come out with the energy they had in Atlanta, this should get out of hand rather quickly. Though, for those of you who have been following the Seminoles long enough, this could be a close game. However, this team does not compare with that of a Georgia State or Jacksonville or Stetson. The paint should be owned by Alabi, Gibson and Reid tonight. Alabi only needs two more blocks to move into 5th place in school history for career blocked shots.
Keys to the Game:
1. Don't get caught looking ahead. A loss to a UT-Martin would be an ugly mark on the resume.
2. Limit the turnovers. Get rid of the silly mistakes. Focus and be on the same page the entire night.
3. Continue to develop the offense. Work the beautiful high low game we saw at times last night. Get Snaer involved.
Prediction: FSU 79 UT-Martin 51
Game Time: 7pm EST
Television: FSFL
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Tenn-Martin has a defensive efficiency ranked 282nd in the nation? Could the Noles
actually reach the rumored-to-exist 90 point mark? I say free chalupas for everyone if they do.
Anyway, I’ll add two individual goals here:
1. Kitchen’s running suicides for the next couple weeks if he doesn’t end up with at least 15 shot attempts. I don’t care if he has to shoot from 30 feet and goes 1 for 15. If he doesn’t get more comfortable shooting, we’ll be playing 4-on-5 in our remaining ACC games, as no one will have to cover him.
2. More minutes for TShannon.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
DK took over down the stretch in OT against the Jackets
It’s good he had enough in the tank to do it. Hopefully the xmas break can get his stamina back up.
What is "effective height"?
Sorry if this has been answered before. I couldn’t find an explanation on the website.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions
Here is Ken Pomeroy's article about it...He is the guru behind most to all of the stats we discuss here.
It is essentially what the impact of team’s height is on it’s offensive and defensive efficiency. Do they play bigger or smaller than they actually are.
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Just WIN baby
We must protect this HOUSE!!!
BTW I don't view this as a trap game
Because they’re nowhere in our class talent-wise. They’ve won one game this year and haven’t faced anywhere near our height. Even a half-assed effort by our squad will get a W.
Now, I don’t want to see that – of course, but we’ll see how Coach Hamilton motivates our boys.
If it was someone like Ga St., the I would consider it more of a trap.
Exactly...
However, this is college basketball. IMO the parity is more evident in this sport than in football. Just last year I watched my Alma Mater (a school comparable to the size and skill set of UT-Martin) beat an Oklahoma team who was sitting outside the top 25. I visited the OU BB message boards, and they were saying the same things we are…
However, we should win this one by 25. Snaer and Shannon should be running the show by 10 to go.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't been able to contribute much this season so far...
due to my move but wanted to say thanks for the hard work as always TC.
I agree with CelticPride that this really shouldn’t be considered a trap game but again we are talking about a Leonard Hamilton coached team. Rather, we really should use this game as an opportunity to try and run offensive schemes like you mentioned TC.
If we want to make a run in the tourney we have got to show some semblance of an offense. Outside of our height, we are way to easy to defend. I think that ultimately stems from a lack of a playmaker at the point…something i think we all had hoped that we would have established already.
This game will also be a good one for Alabi to practice his position on the blocks. He has got to improve in that category and start dominating games. He’s too gifted physically not too…
a little unrelated, but this thread is newer than the GT recap
We really missed tD at the end of the game. Coach Ham’s classic, “just give it to player X” play, doesn’t work without a playmaker. Hopefully Singleton and eventually Snaer will be able to be counted on at the end of games in the future. Hopefully the next two games will give us a chance to practice the plays we need to finish games.
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Dec 22, 2009 1:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That last play was really baffling...
Snaer was wide open and Kitchen even looked at him. While it would have been a three, Snaer was in good position, had a wide open look. It seemed that they really wanted to get the ball inside to Alabi with the hope he would get the easy basket or at least get fouled. Neither happened. GTech did a really nice job applying pressure on Kitchen to deny the interior pass, then it seemed Kitchen got frustrated and flustered.
Even if the plan was to get to Alabi, Snaer had a great angle to get the big man the ball. Plus, if I remember correctly, Lawal was fronting Alabi. If Kitchen swings the ball quickly to Snaer who immediately dumps it in to Alabi, Alabi has Lawal on his back with either the dunk or the foul…or both.
As the season goes on, I believe that Snaer will prove that he is the one we want to have the ball to either distribute it or get an open look on his own. He’s not there yet but I hope that he will be. Or, we going to see a lot of what we saw Sunday evening. It did work in the Marquette game. Would be nice to have a couple of options though.
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I am noit exactly sure what Kitchen's strengths are
I am not saying he is a bad player, but what does he excel at. He shows flashes of scoring and ditribution ability, but is inconsistant at both. He is not a lockdown defender, but plays good enough. I guess I would say he is good for not turning it over as much as the other guys. I think we will be in much better shape when Snaer takes a more prominant role and Kitchen can go back to playing supporting cast.
As for the last play, I have come to excpect it and have accepted it. It doesn’t’t upset me. The reason is that for every time we botch an offensive play, we match it with outstanding defense. The key to this team winning is be better on defense than we are bad on offense. On most nights, we accomplish that goal.
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Dec 22, 2009 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
From the few games I’ve been able to watch he would seem to have a decent understanding of the offense but he’s just hesitent. I’d rather see him turn the ball over but do it with emphasis. If you are trying to get the ball inside, get it in. Don’t pump fake 8 times and then lightly lob the ball into Alabi. Two fakes at the most and get in inside with authority. More than anything that’s what upsets me about Kitchen.
Fair enough
A true 1/2 combo guard is rare, and TD did both amazingly. It’s a hard role. Loucks is a 1, Snaer is defnitely a 2 right now, and Kitchen is being asked to play the 1/2. He’ll have it together at that position next year, I’ll believe.
it sounds like you want him to be more like Loucks
I’d take that if he could retain his athleticism.
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Dec 22, 2009 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve gone on record stating that I think Loucks sees the floor better, especially out on the break. I’d like us to run a lot more than we do, especially with the way we play defense and our depth. However, Kitchen is probably better for the offense we run because he can create his own shot much better that Loucks.
I haven't really seen us play a full game yet...
can anyone elaborate on our defensive schemes to date? are we still running man 99% of the game or has Hamilton incorporated zone here and there? Have we pressed at all?
almost all man that I’ve seenn, though we ran zone effectively late against Gtech. Havent noticed much press, but I only saw the first games uf and gtech
Very excited to see us play some zone
Good teams mix man and zone and play both well. Would like to see us mostly in zone tonight unless/until we go to a 3 guard lineup.
Exactly...
I was calling for Hamilton to do that all last year. Mix it up. Make a team beat your defense. Beating a man defense is very different than beating a zone. Force teams to adapt. With the height we have it would create nightmares for some teams…
TC posted links at the bottom of the post
Did you skip all of TC’s hard work? I kid.
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Dec 22, 2009 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Once again the game won't be in the nolestv justin.tv channel
I am still out of town – won’t be back in town until Jan. 7 so anything before that won’t be broadcast. My sincere apologies.
I do promise to broadcast everything and anything once I get back to make up for it :)
So there is no way
Of watching this game online tonight? damn! wanted to see a nice blow out
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 22, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions
trying to find one now...it isn't listed on atdhe or justin tv yet...but i on't think it has tipped off yet. sometimes the links are posted after tip
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radio broadcast is saying reid is not starting due to illness.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
whose starting?
in reid’s place X or Snaer?
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 22, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions
I just caught the tail end of the comment, I didnt hear who Deckerhoff said is starting in his place
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
enh at least
My childhood friend who plays for Loyola MD is rippin up IU in Bloomington. Brett Harvey already has 12 points, must be sick playing in that building. There on BIG 10 Network. New City NY represent!
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions
no online viewing?
Nothin on justin or adhte. anybody got anything?
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 22, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions
Does everyone get a chalupa if we toss a shutout?
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions
I said I spring for the chalupas if we win and score 90.
I’ll make due on that offer at the site of our sweet 16 game.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
If you think I won't hold you to that, you're nutz. I'll fly to a S16 site for a free chalupa.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
if we actually make it to the sweet 16, I will have no problem with that. I mean, even if
50 noles show up, how much will it cost me? $20?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Whatever man. Chalupas are like 2 and a half bucks.
In fact, I’m thinking about holding you to an authentic chalupa. At a mexican restaurant. Those are like 6. Hope you’ve got an extra $300 lying around.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
hey, if we make it to the sweet 16, I'll have no problem buying authentic
chalupas.
Better hope the regional is in new mexico or arizona.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
over/under on minutes and seconds remaining at point of UT-M first score?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
I say they don't score until the 15:00 mark.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions
on Michael Snaer
First turnover is 5 1/2 min into the game. Well done.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions
It should be. UT Martin only enrolls 86 students
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
little late but
they’re a very small rural school. I interviewed with them a couple weeks back – the interviewer was very sure to stress the rural part.
Anyone else watching COX in the Panhandle?
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions
Anyone else know that Greg Hudson isn't a done deal? Evidently he was in Tally yesterday, but nothing is a done deal
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions
From the TN story it sounded like he had agreed to the job. I was under the impression he had already visited with Jimbo and Co
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
It should have read "we expect him to be hired"
That hasn’t changed to my knowledge.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Yes
Heather Dinich reported that on her ESPN ACC BLOG
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 22, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions
Congrats JD, you swatted a 5'11 guard from UT Martin.
Stop it with the silly turnovers
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions
place your bets: more UT-Martin points in the first half or Tiger Woods mistresses(currently)?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
whats the current number on woods? I heard 15. You think UT-M will score 16?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
28-8 Noles...Dulkys with the three. Pierre Jordan in the gam already
Noles in a 1-2-2 zone.
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Since this game is already out of hand
Did everyone see this chick
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
allright boys
Can’t watch the game and were killing it so I’m gonna watch the UT game and my boy on Loyola MD. I say we win by at least 40. The boys are pissed for not being ranked and are gonna kill these warmup games. GO NOLES!!!
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 22, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions
That's what they just said on the radio...gguess you can get away with it when you're up 36-13
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Nope...not on tv up north. Listening on the radio and watching on Gametracker courtesy of CBSSports.com
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That sucks man. Just let us know if you've got specifics.
By the way, Shannon and Snaer both look great.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like we are playing a lot more "up tempo" tonight
Is that just because we are playing an inferior team? Is it something we should explore doing more in the future or are we better off setting up and feeding it into the paint?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I was thinking about that earlier. I'm thinking it's mostly because of the talent gap...
This game is so out of hand that Coach Hamilton’s singing voice is being discused.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
FACTIOD of the night per FSF commentators
Leonard Hamilton has a lovely singing voice.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
he does have that weathered voice I like in my singer-songwriters
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
I wouldn't describe Loucks as "Flashy"
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions
I say under as well. too close to christmas to stay focused.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
more good news tonight...
South Alabama 46, Florida 43 18:13 2nd half.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
good point, the both of you, but there has to be part of every Nole fan that wants to see
UF lose, no matter what the consequences!
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Yeah...as bulls fan...it hurt big time and they are already down 14 to Knicks in 2nd.
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no. what happened there? (I was keeping an eye on the Cavs.
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really? wow. is that some kind of NBA record for 2nd half comeback?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
actually, the Jazz had a 36 point comeback in the 2nd half
But that Bulls game is #2 all-time. Noah looked like he was gonna throw up after that.
It was a record for biggest comeback in the shortest amount of time
but not for the biggest overall comeback
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Demercy, Singleton, and Alabi all knock each other down going after a rebound. That's not funny if we're not up 23
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 22, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions
also, should we be worried that Kitchen is only 1 for 3, 2 points? from a starter against this
creampuff?
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
just one of those games where everyone gets the ball
lots of assists all around, unselfish basketball. DK has 3 assists.
He won the dunk contest in the Jam with Coach Ham. He really is a great athlete.
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good defense, too
would like to see improvements in his dribbling and add the dribble drive to his repertoire
I still say Kitchen is a concern. If we are going to give props to Snaer for scoring 16
against an inferior opponent, we have to wonder why Kitchen only scored 2 points on 1 of 4 shooting. You could say Snaer is a SG and Kitchen is not, but Pierre Jordan scored 5.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
His assist to turnover ratio has been really good the last few games
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I think he is really trying to change the style of his game to be more of a point. Plus, I think his 0-6 night really spooked him.
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I hear ya guys. I mean, he's a PG and all, but one might suggest you need more
point production out of a starter, even a PG.
Maybe its nothing to worry about. I hope that is the case.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
what exactly is the reason for singleton's high TO rate?
dribbling into traffic? ill-advised passes?
Can't say tonight as I'm not watching...
I don’t have a good feel for his turnovers yet. Sometimes it’s sloppy dribbling, sometimes he is trying to make too good a pass, a lot of times he gets double teamed, particularly when the Noles are trying to break the press. For whatever reason, he ends up with the ball at half court in a trap situation.
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uh...oh...chalupas on me at the sweet 16 site with the next Noles basket.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
later on, Noles. Got to pick up my brother at the airport. Happy Holidays, merry xmas
to you all.
Go Noles!
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Noles win 95-68. Big points from the young guys. Noles are on break until December 31st when Alabama A&M roll into town.
Thanks for sticking around everyone. We cracked 200 comments for a Tuesday night game…nicely done. Espescially with no internet feed.
Hope you all have a wonderful and safe holiday season.
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I missed the game tonight but I loved the outcome
Have a great holiday everyone and looking forward to the 31st.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
UF loses to southern alabama
thought i should inform.
UF loses atHOME to USA
Hahahaha – It doesn’t help us, but it makes me laugh :)
I know, Celtic. I mentioned the score earlier when they were losing, and some people correctly
pointed out how that hurts us, but you know what? Jimmy crack corn, and I don’t care. I just love seeing the turds lose, and the bottom line is, if we go 10-6 in the ACC, we are in the dance no mattter what Florida does.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Missed the game due to snow-related in-law reasons.
I see we put the hammer down in the first half and sort of coasted in the second.
A lot of time for JD. Pierre Jordan, Joey Moreau and AJ Yawn also got some play. More or less what I expected.
Guys can take a well-earned break and get back to it on New Year’s eve.
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