Florida State Recruiting Update, 12.23.09
by FSUSOM on Dec 23, 2009 8:00 AM EST
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We don't really have much today. As a result, this will be a primarily user-driven day.
As always, we funnel coverage (except in the next couple of days) to the 2010 Big Board and the 2010 Recruiting Map. If you have a question, and there isn't a post on the front page, ask it in the 2010 BB. Remember to get out and watch these prospects play. On to the coverage.
Current 2010 commits: (click the links to read more)
- DL Darious Cummings (note: Cummings committed before FSUncensored took over the site.)
- S Chad Abrams (note: we did an overview in a March WORT after Abrams committed.)
- DE Tavaris Barnes
- Holmes Onwukaife
- De'Joshua Johnson
- Tank Sessions
- Telvin Smith
- Jared Haggins
- Terrence Brooks
- Cameron Erving
- Clint Trickett
- Nigel Terrell
- Greg Dent
Notes:
- Dr. Phillips WR Kenny Shaw says that he will announce his college at the Under Armour All Star game in early January. I expect him to announce for FSU.
- Another note on that game: Tomahawk Nation author SWFLNole will be there for the practices and will be live-blogging the game.
- Tomahawk Nation member NIU interviewed LB target Shaydon Akuna here!
- TN member Aussierat went into detail about Mark Stoops' recruiting ability.
- I can't complain about FSU's position with Hialeah DE Corey Lemonier. I think it comes down to FSU or Miami. I'm not going to doubt Fisher, Coley, and Gran.
- As this point, if Lake Howell LB Christian Jones doesn't commit to FSU, it will be a minor miracle.
- FSU and Georgia seem to be the two teams battling it out for Tampa Catholic WR Christian Green. Still, I expect FSU to land him.
- ESPN Recruiting did a pretty good piece on a 2011 target, CB Nick Waisome of South Grove. He is a heavy Gator lean.
- Speaking of 2011 prospects, Tampa Plant ATH James Wilder Jr. pretty much dominated the state title game. He likes UF early. He best projects to be a DE/OLB on the next level.
- Some highlights of St. Thomas Aquinas players at Elite Scouting Services.
Some video inside!
Some video:
FSU commit Lamarcus Joyner's senior season highlights (offensive and returns):
Comment necessary?
DT target Jamaine Brooks (6'3'' 280, Miami Palmetto HS):
Some say that there is a good chance that Brooks is part of FSU's class. We'll see. It's hard to gauge what kind of a player he is from this video, as it doesn't really show much of anything. Most of the video does not show how he gets off the ball, ect. What we can gather from the video is that Brooks has good size and moves well. The reports from coaches down in Miami say that he is a "baller".
From Luke at SoFlaFootball.com:
Jamaine Brooks 2010 DL 6′3″ 280: Brooks is a big body that they move around on the defensive line. He moves well and got some pressure on the quarterback most of the night. It will be interesting to watch his play over the course of his senior season.
We'll keep digging.
2011 QB target Christian LeMay (6'3'' 200):
Pretty impressive stuff. FSU has been on him since his sophomore year, which speaks volumes of Jimbo Fisher's talent evaluation. Probably FSU's #1 target for the 2011 class, LeMay has offers from most of the ACC and SEC. He's a national recruit that has a good chance of being a 5* star player. Though he grew up in Gainesville, FSU has a decent shot. UF, Alabama, and FSU seem to be the major players here, though it is still very early.
J.C. Shurburtt (of ESPN) has a pretty good article on how the newly-hired Dameyune Craig will affect FSU's recruiting in Alabama:
"All of the coaches know me and my family," he said. "They also know my past in the state of Alabama and at Auburn."
This is a big addition for Florida State in terms of recruiting. Fisher said last week that he expects to recruit the top talent in the Sunshine State and South Georgia first and then look out of state, but Mobile is located 40 miles from the state of Florida. It's always a challenge for anybody to pull top players out of the state of Alabama, but the Seminoles can become players there with the right person recruiting it and Craig is the perfect fit.
I don't expect FSU to come in and start taking kids from Alabama and Auburn, but I think they will have a much bigger presence than they have ever had. Craig has the potential to be a very good recruiter.
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You have to think C Green could help us with Wilder for next year....
…and all other recruits from that area…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Wilder will not be easy to sway
Having Dungy’s kid as a walk on would be a help since they both played together this year.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Mock Class?
Could you post what you think our possible end class will look like?
I wonder
How confident the coaches are on Green. I’d consider it a minor catastrophe if we missed on him.
Who have we been going after the hardest lately? Lemonier? Does this dead period affect our momentum (or perceived momentum anyway)?
Elam
Yeah he likes Urban but…….
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=4761284
I thought he was going to be an EE???
Says the article was updated yesterday at 11:13 AM. What am I missing?
I thought the same thing
had already written off elam since he was an EE and I thought they had to sign LOI by 12/18
EE's dont sign a letter of intent FSU has his paperwork
But please write him off, he is going to UF and that is just the fact of the matter.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Jimbo Fisher interview this morning 12/23
Jimbo was interviewed by Joe Rose here in South Florida —>
http://www.wqam.com/index.php?page=347&sid=e8rf06v2hsrmfcvs0q0ibku8145v9lcv
Go Noles!!
Christian Jones
Is this,
As this point, if Lake Howell LB Christian Jones doesn’t commit to FSU, it will be a minor miracle.
…based on new information, or all of the legacy connections (dad, bro, and coach)? Canes seem to be making a lot of noise. Would be pretty devastating to lose a talent like that with those types of connections.
Something else to keep in mind
Former FSU player Brian Allen is his DC/LB coach and he is pissed at the way BB was treated, so I would be curious to see what he his telling him to do.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
That's why I mentioned "coach," above.
On the positive side of this, I believe Brian Allen was the one that was rumored to have torn Roland Seymour a new one in the comments section of his diatribe ranting against FSU. He didn’t sign his name but the credential he listed fit the bill. If it was Allen, I believe he has a healthy perspective on the direction of the program.
It was Allen but I thought he was in the mindset that BB can do whatever he want?
Much like Darnell Dockett
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Thought Seymour was ranting about the University abusing its own (i.e., him and Bowden)?
In which case Allen would be arguing on the university’s behalf. Maybe I’m not recalling correctly and Seymour was whining about something else.
Seymour ripped Bowden and Allen stood up for Bowden
Former Florida State player speaks out on Bowden
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If we miss out on C. Jones
It’d better not be to an in-state rival! I’d be disappointed if we lose him, considering his ties to FSU.
by CSI Nole on Dec 23, 2009 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh for fck’s sake. How can anyone be disappointed/pissed/upset/whatever w/ BB finally being let go? He alone brought that about by his own actions. And if it cost us this entire class, let alone 1 kid, it was still worth it to move on.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Re; Joyner's highlights...
If the combination of Joyner and Reid don’t get at least 5 touches per game on offense next season — all of Jimbo’s other positive traits aside — he is brick-stupid. Those guys are Percy Harvin-level game changers with the ball in their hands, and we simply have no one else of that calibre on “O”. Bert Reed is the closest thing to it, but he’s not quite at their level. (As an aside, this also demonstrates what a tremendous job Jimbo has done getting the offense where it is, working with the tools that he has.)
People dont think logically when they see exciting players. They just want them to score.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I agree with you SWFL
It’s almost as if people think, is he a good player? Then he HAS to play offense.
…well then our defense will continue to suck.
I expect Joyner to play ironman football.
Offense. Defense. Special Teams…every play.
Just keep the 5 Hr Energy and O2 tank nearby, and get outta his way…
On a serious note, watching the Joyner highlights does make one selfish. I admit, I’d love to get him the ball as much as possible, but keeping other guys from scoring is just as important as scoring yourself.
If offense won Championships, it would be Georgia Tech vs Houston in the MNC game.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 23, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
There was some BCS player that did that this year.
Cannot for the life of me remember who it was. I want to say an LB or FB for Stanford. But the team had an injury and he played nearly every snap both ways that week.
5 touches between them takes little or nothing from their ability to develop...
on the defensive side of the football. But inserting those guys into a few plays on offense is akin to playing a lottery ticket with 5 numbers already filled out. The can cash in at any given moment, from anywhere on the field. We simply have no players of their ability on offense. You can’t waste that kind of potential when the sacrifices involved in putting them into the game is very limited.
Further, the prospect of what this does to opponents’ defensive game-planning is significant. Jimbo loves being “multiple” — which you can view as taking away the defense’s capacity to plan for what to expect in a given formation and situation — and this presents one more wrinkle that opposing defensive coaches have to plan and drill against. In very limited practice time, that is a huge consideration… basically the success of Urban Meyer’s offense is contingent on this: too many threats to prepare for.
Finally, do any of you really doubt one or both of those guys won’t see the ball on offense at all next year? I see it as a foregone conclusion, but I am just really hopign they live up to my expectations. Here are at least two references to this prospect from last year (below). I believe I’ve seen rumors to the effect that Fisher wanted to implement Reid in some plays this year, but Bowden/Andrews nixed the idea.
…and…
Agree to disagree.
I want these guys focusing on playing where their future is, and learning a new scheme. Our offense does just fine without them, and both have some adjusting to do to the college game.
Also, multiple has to do with the different formations that a defense sees, not so much with the indiciduals in the formations.
365 days, until I change my ways.
That's cool. I respect your opinion a lot and appreciate the great info you bring to the board.
I just think this is low-hanging fruit. Like 20 minutes a week to make this happen.
About “multiple,” not sure I portrayed this as such, but I understand it is typically used (particularly by Jimbo) in reference to formations…. but I think the concept behind this idea is paralleled by use personnel, hence my use of “which you can view as.” I see Jimbo’s use of Givens in this manner shows he has an appreciation for this.
Maybe
I wouldn’t put it past Jimbo to thow in some things to change the O up. Maybe thow a 5 WR formation in against OU, with G5, LJ, or Dent in there.
Then we get to look forward to the next level of progression in Ponder: throwing the deep ball. The first year was spreading the D with dual threat. Second year was the mental game, reading the D, and spreading the D horizontally as well as by distributing the ball around. The final chapter will be spreading the D vertically with the long ball. I think he can throw the long ball, I just don’t think we’ve do it very often. Maybe it’s because we were trying to do ball control and keep our D off the field. With our play makers and an improved D, we can start looking for some home runs.
I just wouldn’t expect 5 touches/game from G5 & LJ on offense. I’d love to see them get 5 touches/game on D.
:P
Agreed
+ 1 bajillion
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
How much can we expect a kid to learn
We want both Joyner and Reid to be All American defenders so can we really expect them to pick up an offense too. They are going to have their heads spinning trying to learn the newly implemented zone defense.
Harvin, Bush, Spiller never played defense. Is Joyner and Reid playing offense realistic?
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This is how I feel
I wouldn’t want them learning an entire offense. But a few plays here and there (end arounds, reverses, screens) wouldn’t be the death of them IMO. First things first though, priority number 1 is fixing our defense. DJJ is a game changer, as is Kenny Shaw (runs better routes than our current receivers and creates separation).
SWFL why not? I love his size
I doubt he leaves the state MS but if he did I would love to snag him. I think he has a lot of pluses in his game.
6-3, really?
Seems to have long arms and at a buck 85 decent weight. I know people who were at the USC rising stars camps thought he would be a good wr but a better safety.
He is rail thin, and not an explosive 6-3. That combination does not make a great WR to me.
365 days, until I change my ways.
He could definately add some muscle
But I wouldn’t exactly call him rail thin. I wouldn’t put him in the Snoop Minus, Bert Reed, DJ, or Kenny Shaw category. I can’t agrue the fact the he dosen’t possess the suddeness of those guys but I like his ball skills which could be of great use in redzone situations. But I’m almost alway partial to taller recievers.
That's What She Said
"We'll win games with talent. We'll win championships with character."
-Jimbo Fisher
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 23, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ole Miss, in my opinion.
He’s an extremely good player. I think he’ll get up in the 200-215 range in college.
Miss A&T, I guess....
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
How much does it take to insert them occassionally for
…an end around, a bubble screen, or a fake for either of these?
Trying to insert an offensive player onto defense DNE inserting a defensive player on offense. Defense is much more reliant on technique and understanding of scheme, whereas offense is understanding specific responsibilities on a given play. You can break off a tiny piece of the playbook on offense while this can’t be accomplished the other way.
To this end, I believe Jimbo has already stated Reid would get some touches. I am just voicing my support for that approach.
If they only know a few set plays then doesn't that give the defense an advantage?
I just think back to whenever Givens was on the field this year, you had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen.
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I am almost entirely certain Givens served as a decoy as well.
And, yet, we still inserted him and he still averaged almost 8 yards per carry and 11 yards per catch. If the defense believes it knows what the offense is doing, then the offense is at a distinct advantage.
You can’t entirely sell out to stop a threat because you think it’s coming, because Ponder, Fortson, Thomas, et al, will still be on the field to burn you in a variety of other capacities.
To be a decoy you need to learn both that play and the one that compliments it. You are also taking away time from another WR while you train the new guy. I think our offense is good enough where we don’t need to resort to that sort of thing. At the same timeI wouldn’t complain if they did it.
This is my biggest contention.
Percy Harvin had the ability to beat the defense to the corner regardless of whether they were expecting it or not. We don’t have anyone on our roster than can impose their will on a defense like that (though Ponder can through other means). We are good enough without a player like that, but we now may have two players on our roster potentially with that type of game changing ability, and it only makes sense (to me) to force defenses to stop them.
Relative to playing decoy, a player like this can come in and run the same route, and expect the ball, but not get it due to a an alternate read by the QB. That, in fact, is the point of it, to make the defense adjust to compensate for what is going on behind the line of scrimmage, and then hit them over the top.
In the word of our very own Deion Sanders, “Bof, boss.” Spread the ball around AND make them account for that one player.
Here's a thought
Put G5 & LJ in at the same time in a 4 or 5 WR set, and make the D play them both at the same time. Shock and awe, baby!
Seriously, I don’t think we need to do that.
My biggest concern is subjecting these guys to taking big hits and possible injury. Guys often jump to make catches, exposing their body to big time hits or awkward landings—neither of which is present when they return kicks or play D.
hmmmm G5 huh? ive always refered to him as Speedy Reidy....any other nicknames for players out there?
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
lol thats fine, ive just never heard it before now thats all, but have u heard any other nicknames for our players?
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
lol Frank? seriously? maybe like Frankenstien? and ya ive heard CP7
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Yes, as in Frankenstein.
Here’s the story about how it came to be from his own words: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2009-all-usa.htm
How did you get the nickname Frank? “That came from Little League football, the first time I ever played. I was a hard hitter. They starting call me the beast. I would never wrap up. It was always a hard hit. They just started calling me Frankenstein.”
Getting caught up in highlights
You have to remember that these vids are against high school kids, a lot of whom will never suit up and play organized football again. It will be harder to do anything like that is college. I am sure Easterling had highlight plays in HS that looked much the same, as did Thomas.
Having a “Percy Harvin” kind of player is not a must have either. Texas and Alabama have no player like him and they are doing fine. FSU will have enough big play potential with Thomas, Easterling, Reed and Forston that we won’t need to force our DBs to do double duty.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 23, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I've watched a lot of highlight reels...
…but LJ’s are a step above most. He’s “that” kind of player.
G5 has already proven at this level that he’s capable of making D1 athletes look like high schoolers.
good points
i guess 5 touches is unrealistic. but i don’t think it would hurt too much to give them a shot on offense. even if its just against a team like Samford.
by Gulfport Nole on Dec 23, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
good points
i guess 5 touches is unrealistic. but i don’t think it would hurt too much to give them a shot on offense. even if its just against a team like Samford.
by Gulfport Nole on Dec 23, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Possibly mentioned in response to you further down, but it's very realistic.
You put in ONE play for these guys. They do ONE thing. Run this route or that motion. Add a kink/twist to it every week. Doesn’t subtract from their growth and learning on D at all, imo.
I don’t want them to be offensive players, but a couple plays a game is fine with me.
Won't they be returning punts and/or kicks?
That should be sufficient time for them to get the ball in their hands w/o having to learn a new playbook…
Reed is a possession receiver
average speed for his position and a poor runner. Makes poor decisions w/ the ball in his hands. On the upside, is our most dependable receiver. has turned himself into an excellent possession receiver. Best route runner and best hands on the team. Will catch the ball over the middle and hangs on while getting whacked
you sure he won't make it in the league?
I think he can be a good slot guy.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 23, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Who was that tiny guy that played for the Seahawks?
NFL all-time reception leader or something… as I recall, he was short and slow, but he ran great routes and had great hands…
I guess Carter has made it with the Broncos even though everyone thought he was too small… the jury might still be out on that one.
Flutie was too small, but played many years in the league.
Neither G5 nor LJ are giants, but they both play like giants. Sometimes, the size you play is more important than the size you are.
I don’t have any opinion on whether Reed will make it in the league, but he has shown decent hands and the ability to take some decent hits while holding on to the ball.
Parrish has way more return value/shiftiness and he is bigger.
Bert might make a roster one day, but he is no “NFL WR”
365 days, until I change my ways.
He may be bigger now but when he entered UM he was
about 160 pounds, but regardless you wouldn’t mistake either guy for David Boston. I think Bert makes more plays than Roscoe did as a WR, IMHO. I viewed Parrish as more of a “juker” and Reed as more of a “slasher” IMO.
I'm really proud of you and Imma let you finish, but,
Roscoe Parrish was the recipient of one of the greatest highlight hits of all time!
That was a LB and it was one hard step and cut up field.
Reed has straight line speed, but shifty isn’t the word to describe him. You’ll notice his lack of production on many an end around. He doesn’t often make people miss, more like running by them.
What kind of shiftiness are you looking for?
I think being able to cut full speed like that is a tremendous talent.
he reminds me a bit of Willie Reid
He’s much better than Chris Davis ever was for us.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 23, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't have elite football speed
I have yet to see him separate after turning upfield or beat DBs to the corner. There are 2 types of football speed that are important: long-strider speed and “quick” speed to separate in a few yds. For the 1st think Jerry Rice. Amazingly, the knock on him was “too slow”. I never saw him get run down from behind in the NFL. For the 2nd think Harvin, Hester, Deion. They can make really fast guys look like they’re standing still over short distances. The only guy we have on offense that can do this is Givens. Reid might have it although his punt returns have been more very good cuts than blowing by people. For some reason Reed got this rep in HS & his first few yrs, but he doesn’t have it. He might be a tweener in that he’s good at both so his 40s are impressive but doesn’t translate to gamebreaking speed. The stats bear this out. Our leading WR by catches (tied Owens) and yds (outright) but no TDs. His 2 TDs were running plays: the short gamewinner against NCSt and the long one (42 yds) against a slow MD. I’m not saying he’s slow, but he simply isn’t a game breaker.
he may not be devin hester but he is very fast
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 23, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
look at the video
and you see my point. west carolina, chattanooga, MD, NCSt , & UM last yr. All bad Ds. His 3 TDs last yr were WCU, Chatt & MD. So he has yet to score a TD against a winning team in his career. He got great blocking on those plays (as you would expect from a highlight reel) and made some nice cuts to make individuals miss, but none of those runs show the type of speed that we were talking about to start this conversation. He averages 12.2 ypc, which is less than fortson, easterling, goodman, Piurowski & Pryor. His long catch this yr was 44 yds.
Bert Reed is my favorite WR on the team and I think our most valuable WR because he will consistently get open and make the first down catch and we are a ball control O. Keep trying to make the argument, but he simply isn’t a gamebreaker and never will be.
It could negate the assertion that he's "almost" a gamechanger :)
Had to scroll back to see where this started. Arrdub said BR was the closest we had to a game-changer on O such as Harvin (after Givens I agree w/ that part, although I bet teams are more aware of Fortson in their planning), but not quite there. I took exception to the not quite there part b/c I don’t think he has yet had a play that qualifies as game-changing. In other words, there is a huge difference between Harvin and BR in that respect, but I suppose he could qualify as “not quite” a game-changer now if he started making big plays against the good teams in the future. confused:)? This has become a semantic argument. What is fast and what is a gamechanger? For the sake of clarity, I think that in comparison to everybody on the field he is fast, but in relation to his position on BCS teams (the jitterbug slot receiver that is supposed to be the fast guy) his speed is average. I don’t think he is a game-changer.
Not many peole are, lol. Hate to say it but the guy was a monster
Guys like Harvin, Maclin, DeSean Jackson are don’t come around very often.
I still laugh
when I think about how USC lost Jackson (Over some BS IMO)
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I can't remeber what the heck happend there?
Everybody just assumed they were getting him that year. Didn’t they loose Colvin to Oregon that year also?
Colvin was 2004, Jackson 2005
Colvin was b/c they got Fred Davis (who ended up at TE) and Dewayne Jarrett. They also lost Bumpas to WSU and another WR (name’s escaping me right now) to Cal that they had committed at one point during the class of 2004 recruiting cycle.
Don’t remember them losing Jackson as I don’t remember him ever committing to anyone prior to his pledge to Cal.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
didn't Bupas have grade issues?
I know they got Derrick Jones but he didn’t qualify or something and the next year he signed with Oregon.
Lavelle Hawkins
have been the name that is escaping everyone (It may indeed be Derrick Jones though). He was a kid from Stockton who was just as highly regarded as Bumphus. He ended up going to Cal. Don’t know whether USC was in the mix for em though. Jones may be who folks were thinking about. Dude had a crazy Jr. year in HS
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Colvin
was going to Oregon with his friends from De La Salle (Jackie Bates, Glasper, and the late Terrance Kelly, R.I.P.). So USC was never a malor player. Jackson was always assumed to go to USC. However, USC and their staff was too concerned with begging Patrick Turner to leave Tennessee and come to LA.
They recruited PT MUCH harder than they did Jackson, as they always assumed DJ was goin to SC like every other VHT Poly recruit. On NSD,with his father by his side, DJ shocked everyone and commited to Cal. His father was absolutely speechless and the look on Mr. Jackson’s face was absolutely priceless, lol (His Jaw almost his the floor and he admitted to being shocked by his son’s decision).
DJ said he didn’t want to be just another Poly kid who went to SC. But the truth is, he wasn’t pursued as hard as Turner, and that had to rub him the wrong way, as he has always carried a HUGE chip on his shoulder even back in HS. It’s ironic how their careers(College and Pro) have turned out so far. And how Jackson’s commitment basically stopped the Poly pipeline to USC
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I know every one was shocked when DJ picked Cal
But never really knew the behind the scene story on it. Form some reason I thought Michigan and to a lesser degree USC were real players for Colvin but I do remeber Oregon having some De La Salle guys on the squad who factored into his decsion.
Michigan
was in it for Colvin, but his friends had a bigger influence, as you might imagine. USC’s depth chart kinda deterred Cameron from there as well
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
VHT?
I feel like I’m reading a Phil Steele magazine.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 23, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Which brings us back to...
If LJ is one of those players…. then put “give him the damn ball!!!!”
I do think Fortson ultimately will be the biggest “game changer” on our offense, in the Boldin mold of tremendous catches and uncharacteristic speed for his size and strength… but I was referencing Reed as the guy who uses purely speed to get things done. I do think Reed has more speed/quickness than sperrett portrays, but if he wasn’t lacking somewhat in this department, then I wouldn’t think it necessary to consider some of these CB’s on offense.
…let’s just hope genron is right and we can bring in Dunkley to help fill this void, so LJ and G5 can do their thing on ST and D :P
I wouldnt put Maclin in with those other two amazing wonders of football.
365 days, until I change my ways.
yeah, i'd put him just below those guys, but Maclin's still
pretty darn special. That game this year agaist the Bucks, Man kids got an extra gear. Just can’t stay healthy.
If thats the case
Then they should’ve been recruited as offensive players. Defense needs athletes too, and that side of the ball is where they should stay (And develop). We already have an elite offense as it is.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
The question, to me, isn't
“Do you want them to play offense or defense,” it’s
“If you can insert a talent like one/either/both of them for a couple plays a game on offense, is it worthwhile to do it?”
There would be no negative impact on their defensive development. It’s a drop in the bucket in terms of the time it would take to have a coulpe wrinkles in the offense…. or “Shock & Awe-fense,” as NoleLaw suggested as a name for it.
As much as we complain
about the defense on this site, I guess I’d rather see them (LJ and Reid) focus on that side of the ball. Especially now that we are now getting elite recruits on that side of the ball. I guess if anything, I’d rather focus on getting elite athletes who are going to be full time backs and receivers. In other words, lets see what DJJ (and hopefully Christian Green and Shaw) can do before we go there with Frank and G5
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
They wouldn't be taking away ANY focus from defense.
Putting in one formation with a few different options involving the two is not complicated.
It WOULD take focus away, and reps from the starters. On top of that give them one more thing they need to think about rather than their reads
How do you think G5 did on his scheme/reads test this year each week just by watching?
365 days, until I change my ways.
Agree to disagree, but there is a reason it isn't done very often and not very successfully.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Ditto
The reward does not justify the (injury) risk. Never saw T-Buck,Rolle, or Cro playin offense and look where they ended up!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not forget -- Mount Cody plays FB for Saban!
I think the reason you don’t see it so often is because there is usually not a guy playing on a team’s defense that is THAT much more talented than the players on the offensive side of the ball.
Look, I am basing this off the assumption that LJ is truly the Percy/Desean mold of player… we can’t know for sure until he gets here. But if he is, I think you take the chance/make the small sacrifice it takes to occassionally work him in.
I’ll quit advocating on the point, as I am sure I’ve cut it every different way I can. Just excited about getting these guys on campus and seeing what they can do… ’Tis the season for shiny new things, after all!
He plays it badly
Announcers get all excited when he comes in on offense, but watch the replays and he often misses blocks or people just side step the contact.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 24, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I would have to see Joyner on special teams before I felt he could contribute any on offense.
I think Reid is electric with the ball in his hands (college and high school), and Joyner seems fairly electric in high school. If it doesn’t translate to “as” electric in college, it’s not a discussion. I also feel Joyner is a better safety than corner. SOM (but maybe you?) disagrees. No biggie.
Wouldn't it be fun
to watch practice with Smiley getting carries and Bradham and Luc facing off with him? I can only picture these guys getting better with this kind of power/speed opposite them in practice.
I love me some Christian Lemay. He is my #1 wanted target for 2011, unless we can really get in it for Jernigan.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Maaaan...Lemay is the real effing deal.
I wonder if Ponder’s season will have an effect on his decision making? I.E. If Ponder has a heisman type year, Jimbo could sell Lemay on the 2 year rotation after EJ, right?
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 23, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
Hey FSU just offered my boy Robenson Therezie who plays Safety and RB for my Miami Jackson team. He’s a beast. Highlights will be up in a few. Showed Jiumbo and they were sold
Jr vid is right here
Jr highlights just upload. You have to wait a min for the vid to get youtubed processed
RB or S?
Thanks for the vid! What did they offer him as?
Man F OSU
Not how there coaches acted after LJ committed. I think it will be between the big 3 in state schools
I love his ability to attack the ball carrier.
Very physical safety prospect. Is he asked to do any man coverage?
by basbalstr101 on Dec 23, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nickname him Robenson "DC" Therezie
DE-CLEATER!
Fast, good angles, vision, jumps, and POWER. His hits are sweet!
Go Noles!!!
2010 FSU Targets
Ranked in order of our needs.
1) Corey Lemonier (DE) – Cant stress enuf about our need for DE’s – Hoping for the luck of the draw on this one.
2) Christian Jones (OLB) – Impact Player – Dont think he is a silent to us as many other believe.
3) Charles Deas (DL) – Immediate Impact – Has only 1 year of eligibility left, but will help stabilize the weakest link on our DLine – Hope he gets his act (grades) together!
4) Kenny Shaw, Christian Green (WR) – They are “good to have” but wont make or break the class if they dont sign with us. Shaw though is pretty much a silent, but like Green better. Vincent Sanders might be the buffer for Green.
5) Kirksey, Eric Young, Berner, Scardino Daniels – All decent DT projects, will help the depth at DT. Would like to have Daniels as he will be most ready to play of these four.
6) Brandon Gainer (RB) – Good Player, but we are stacked at RB.
7) Shaydon Akuna, Jeremy Deering – Will help depth and numbers.
5)
I'd slide Deas on up the list to #1, unless you're discounting for probability of making it in.
And maybe bump Gainer to the bottom, below Akuna. Might be a nice first step towards establishing a Polynesian pipeline. I’d love to see a couple of those guys (especially the big boys) come through our ranks.
The reason I put Deas at 3 was because I factored in the fact that he has only 1 year left. The other 2 above him will atleast stay for 3 years at FSU if they committ.
Agree with you on Akuna, would love to see someone like a Harvery Unga (BYU RB) run in Jimbo Fisher’s offense.
Yeah, over the long haul, you're probably right.
I am just really concerned about suffering through another year of porous defense. I think Deas presents an immediate fix for us if he’s everything he’s billed to be…
We all have small things we believe. I'd have Akuna higher, and seperate out the position groups. But that closely resembeles our needs.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Contrary to this listing, What if we were to do a listing of say, Top 3 most likely to decommitt.
1) Telvin Smith – Seems like we were his 2nd or 3rd option. If C.Jones and/or Akuna committ, he might hate our depth.
2) Tavares Barnes – Seems a bigtime flip flopper (or maybe simply a talker!)
3) Nigel Terrell – Might see lack of Playing time with the depth, similar to Telvin Smith.
Yeah, I watched Telvin play and he really convinced me in the game I watched
I am now a believer. I hope he sticks, and think he will.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Genron on Dunkley!
If I go by Genron’s comments on Dunkley, I think we might be soon adding him to our list of “probables”. However deep we might be at WR, I would not turn away an impact player.
Why did Jimbo not accept Dunkley commitment?
anyone know?
Did We have a chance with Dunkley?
I didnt even see us in his Top 5/ Top whatevers he had last named.
Didnt think we were even a player with Dunkley.
I know they will play diffrent positions but could it have anything to do with C. Green? Im shocked that we even had a chance.
NO NO
FSU is a real player. I talked to him the other day. Cooley said he wanted to commit seeing where FSU wanted to go. Cooley said they think they have there WR signees locked and should get who they targeted. They are thinking about it and Dunkley believe it or not is wide open.
That's crazy if true.
What about Jimbo’s card that you mentioned with Elam? Has he already enrolled, or is he still in play?
He never told me lol.
All Jimbo told me was that he a card he can pull.
Ha... that's cool.
Hopefully he’s waiting for a grand close.
The night LJ committed ... you also mentioned something about Corey Miller...
You said that we heard about him coming to FSU first from you.
What do you know about that?
I don’t think anyone else gives us a chance with him.
:)
Well hey we will see signing day. All i can tell you is that I was told he was always a FSU lock…and you all know why.. Eddy Eddy Eddy Eddy lol. thats my man
What about Lemonier? What's the latest you've heard on him?
You gotta think our D will get it turned around with Luc, Frank, and some of the others. Also with Stoops, Hudson from ECU coming in to coach the LBs. Many of us here on TN think Travis Jones will leave the NO Saints to come coach our DEs. Seems like Jimbo’s putting a winner together. "Theeey’re baaaack . . . "
Lemonier is a toss up.
I know a guy whose is guiding him and I cant tell what they are looking for. He took a visit to New Mexico for sakes. I say it’s between FSU,ILL, UGA, and TENN. Gran can be a hugh player here though.
Wow! Thats news!
Similar to the “Best Player Available” philosophy in the NFL Draft, we should have taken him/still take him.
Yea but everyone is not sold on him.
Think about this…how many times if ever have you heard De Johnson talk about his teammate. From what I get from the coaches is that they feel the guys they want are just as good or better than Dunk. which is not a bad thing
Genron
You know the proverbial S-load about South Florida recruits. Will Beach High (Miami Beach that is) ever send any one to a D-1 school again?
Roll Hi Tides
LOL, man Beach hasn’t been the same since I graduated from there. They suck. The Admin super tight and wont allow cities kids over there. I was told the new Admin thats there now will let a couple over for the new coach but I doubt if they get any studs. They did have one Big OL this yr but I haven’t heard of anything. Many coaches dont stop by Beach like in my day where there would be 15 to 20 watching practice during the spring. But Jimenez is trying to do something over. they need to change districts
Did not know you went
In my day we put a couple every year in D-1. Sent one to FSU. I played with Judd Hayes. Thanks for all your insight. Please keep up the GREAT work.
You played coach Hayes?
That must make you about 50? naw just kidding. I know, Beach was full with talent. We sinced two to FSU. Antwan M my yr. Hayes was our DC.
40, but who's counting
Mike Morris – OL
Samari Rolle (RIP Coach Rolle)
Ray Piquon (Hayes loved him)
Plus a load to other schools.
Those were the days!
Anyone know anything about...
Jerrard Randall? He looks filthy on film.
by AMFKNole on Dec 23, 2009 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's pretty good, I want him as an athlete.
I’d take Bridgewater, LeMay, and Nick Marshall over him if we’re talking QBs.
Bridgewater, LeMay, and Jernigan are my top 3 for 2011
players I would love to get next year. Sadly Bridgewater who is a freak athlete, will haunt us at Miami, Jernigan, my defensive #1, I think ends up at the Swamp, and Lemay is going to be recruited by everyone. Should be interesting where Lemay goes, but the other 2 I think will go to our rivals.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
don't forget about Gainer
Brandon Gainer has a high interest in FSU according to ESPN and Scout
Seriously i think he won't mind
especially since he is a 3 star and redshirting will give him a year to gain weight and gain some speed, he will be more of a threat with a redshirt year
Gainer?
I’ve heard the exact opposite. Doesn’t have the vision to be a 1C runner.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 23, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
disagree, I think that is exactly what he is. Check the scouting report on the big board
365 days, until I change my ways.
I think he's got good vision.
But I don’t think he’s explosive and I don’t think he’s speeds all that great. I’d rather only take Smiley at RB this year.
Would you
Rather wait, pass up Gainer, and maybe pursue his teammate Devonta Freeman next year? We do have a surplus of backs yes, but other than C. Thompson, no real game breakers. Freeman may fit that bill
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't see any downside
with Gainer myself. Especially since his skillset seems to conform to our system. In this thread, a lot of people seem to be hinting at wanting a gamebreaker on offense. Thats why I threw that question out there.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
No he's not!
He’s a volume carry back who is most similar to JT is style but who will play at a heavier weight than JT in college. He’s bigger than JT right now
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
The "gamebreaker" tenor
to what people were saying is why I brought Freeman into the discussion. I didn’t have a chance to observe C.Thompson in HS. But he was billed as a speed back during recruiting last year. At 5-8 173 he better be able to rip off some big runs!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know anything about Freeman.
And I don’t know how Thompson is a gamebreaker. I think we have a more than capable stable of backs and I think with one of the best RB coaches we’ll be fine there.
Freeman
is a JR. at Miami Central. He doesn’t have quite the same size as BG (5-10 175), but much faster
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 23, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nice update as usual.
Can’t wait for the Under Armour coverage. I also would like to go on record and say I hate dead period.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Hope it is any good. It'll be the first time I've done anything like that.
I will only be at one practice, and then the live blog of the game for those that cant watch and maybe some people who can/ a la game thread. I assume the press box will have internet access.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I live a few minutes away from The Trop
And can get free tickets to the game but I have to attend a wedding. Would’ve been great to “chop” it up with you.
Can't wait SWFL
Looking forward to that. FSU Game Fri. and recruits Sat. Good weekend indeed.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I will be in Orlando for the practices. Back to Tally for 1 night. Jacksonville for the game. Then to St. Pete for Under Armour game.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Sweet
Just moved from Orlando. Used to work at an ad agency downtown. Bummed I will miss this game. Practices are the best. You get to see good matchups and it is a bit looser. Have fun SWFLNole, CSI, and anyone else going.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Which one practice will you be at?
Heard they’ll be at Disney Wide World of Sports (for practice) and the game is in St Pete. Depending on practice times, I may try and head out that way. UA game, doubt I’ll make.
Probably 29th or 30th, maybe both. If you can make it I have an extra press pass for the field you can help me out
365 days, until I change my ways.
All depends at what time they practice
It shouldn’t be an issue requesting some time off from work. I’d be happy to help and live maybe 15-20 minutes from Disney. Keep me posted if that extra pass is still available.
FSUn should have my contact info, if you don’t have access to it. Email/call me at any time.
SWFL...
You’re gonna be blogging on TN from the game, right?
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 24, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Good read as usual.
I love how this class is shaping up. This has potential to be a special class.
Finally some recruiting news...ok my wish list...
OK so speaking of all the recruits i think the most important recruits start with J.R. Ferguson i say this because of our desperate need of DT’s and if we have luc and jones in the back field i think its important we have strong pressure in the front!! Eric Humphrey, Carlos Thompson , Jeffrey Whitaker AND Mike Thornton both from GA , Carlton Martin i also mentioned all those guys because they all play SDE or WDE or DT’s and alll are uncommitted i think going after those guys i think is very important at this point i have watched videos on each guy and i can’t stress enough with the vision Jimbo Fisher has for FSU i’m sure those guys would commit if we go after them hard enough because i really don’t think Barnes is going to stick around long enough Now Jeffrey and Mike should be easy pick up for us because both are in our back yards in GA and i’m sure if recruited we could land them!! Turning my attention to WR’s i’ve always been a fan of Chris Dunkley thanks to the advantage of living in ORlando i get to check out all the camps and i must say this boy has hands and height. Another player we should go after hard to match him up with DJJ. Moving forward to DB’s this is another very very important position i remember me always doing the tomahawk chop because i’ve always felt that was our way of saying we will destroy you on DEFENSe and as of late for the past 5 years we have been terrible and that chop has had no meaning so i think that really starts with joyner and luc and not giving up on ""Matt Elam""" i know he is a gator lean but i have yet to see anything of him EE so i still feel we can get him , Also Terrence Mitchell is very important in this class we have to go after him hard, With him and Matt and joyner in the back field with Reid man ol man forget about it….We are most def. back with that. Moving forward to RB’s i gotta start with Marcus Lattimore i still believe we can land him if you remember what he said in his interview he didn’t get the vibe he was wanted in FSU i think if we can get him to take an offical we could get a second chance with him. Another guy i would like us to go after is Lache Seastrunk i really feel like this kid got alot of talent and displine. And he seems to be still wide open so why not make a move now. I think he would be a good fit for our system, I also say Eduardo Clements even though he is a Miami commit i still feel like we can get him because if you remember this guy was mad he didn’t get a NOle offer right away it kills me to know this is a kid who is a huge FSU fan and we pretty much passed up on him in hopes of getting lame ass Gio and you can see where that got us. Reminds me of the whole Demps sisuation. So going after him now i know it may be to late but better late then never because i got a feeling we are going to be hearing that name again VERY VERY SOON in 10,11 2012!!!. After watching Ivan McCartney play last wkd at the citris bowl i am conviced this boy can play and he is a difference maker by himself so going after him hard wouldn’t be a bad idea i’m sure his stock went up high after the state championship game!! NO shy in this kid. i think he had like 4 catches for TD’s. Last but not least i would also like us to go after 5 start ath-Latwan Anderson i think this guy is another difference maker that we could use in alot of different postions and he has miami in the mix as well…ANd you see where getting Greg Reid got us so going after this guy wouldn’t be a bad idea. I thing i must say i like about Meyer he goes after alot of ATH’s.
by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Dec 23, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Robenson Therezie
D.A.M.N……just saw his you tube video gotta say that is my NUMBER wish list recruit for 2011!!! I love a kid who can hit and is not a afriad to go after the ball. Reminds me of my class mate Reggie Nelso. Damn gators….i begged his ass to go to FSu to….but they didn’t want him bad enough according to him. ""Robenson Therezie "" tell coley to visit this kid 2morrow……gotta bring that one up to Fsu…..
by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Dec 23, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions
I think Gainer is out of the picture from ESPN
Four-star running back Brandon Gainer names some favorites
Brandon Gainer (Miami/Central) listed his top group for ESPN affiliate Web site DuckTerritory.com.
“My top four right now are North Carolina, UCF, USF, Oregon. In no order. I haven’t taken any visits yet, I plan on narrowing this list down a little more within the next few weeks. I will have a busy January taking visits to several schools, then I will make my decision in late January likely.”
The four-star continued, “I like all the schools I’m considering because they run the ball a lot. Most schools have a solid offensive line for me to run behind. My teammates committed to UCF, and I like them as well, they are a great program, but I’m going to check out a couple other schools as well. Kentucky and Rutgers also remain in the picture as well. Coach (Gary) Campbell from Oregon was by a couple weeks to visit with me.”
Four-star wide receiver Joshua Reese, three-star signal-caller Jeffrey Godfrey and defensive back Jammal McClain are Gainer’s Central teammates headed to UCF.
Especially with his teammates going to UCF, he is going to end up a Knight
by DeanerNoleProphet on Dec 24, 2009 1:52 AM EST reply actions
gainer would be an excellent pickup…Most dont know how good he really is and only want the kids with the big time speed etc…Gainer gets the job done against some of the best collective talent in the nation and you would be silly not to take Gainer…BTW Robenson Therezie and Devonta Freeman would be great additions to the 2011 class
Has anyone on TN heard of Calvin Pryor?
This kid is a ATH for a pretty good Port St. Joe squad. He plays QB/WR/RB in a spread offense…He’s a two-way kid that starts at DB. I know thats not saying much for a 2A school in north Florida, but the kid is really good. He will be one of the most talked about recruits coming out of the Big Bend next year. Florida and Clemson are high on this kid. I don’t know who’s offered but he should be pretty good at the next level. Kinda reminds me of a smaller DeAndre McDaniel.
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