Greg Hudson is Florida State's New Linebackers Coach
As Tomahawk Nation first reported Friday night, East Carolina defensive coordinator Greg Hudson will become Florida State's linebackers coach. Our source indicated that there were a few remaining details to iron out, but that the decision had been made Friday night. Those details proved no obstacle, and the deal was finalized. Hudson is considered a very good defensive coach and has produced multiple all-conference players in his time at ECU. He will join Florida State's staff after the January 1st bowl game.
Hudson comes to FSU following a 5 year stint at East Carolina, where his defenses are known for their physicality, toughness, and consistency in forcing turnovers. Prior to working at ECU, Hudson coached at Minnesota (2001-2004), Cincinnati (1997-2000), and UConn (1994-1996). He was also a graduate assistant for Notre Dame in 1993. He coached with Florida State head coach Jimbo Fisher at Cincinnati.
Hudson's defenses have been instrumental in carrying East Carolina to back-to-back Conference USA Championships, defeating prolific offenses this year in Houston and last year's Tulsa attack. The Pirates held Houston to 5.9 yards per play, and Tulsa to 4.1. Those performances were by far the worst of the year for those two teams, courtesy Hudson's defense.
Hudson's defense has been the top defense in conference USA for each of the past 4 years in either yards or points allowed. In 2008, his attack was one of the best 25 in the country when adjusting for opponent, which is tremendous considering the school where he coaches.
Florida State's defense was one of the worst 20 in the nation this year (120 total D1 teams), and Hudson will be expected to turn that unit around quickly. Many believed that he would not leave his coordinator job at ECU to be a position coach, but his close relationship with Fisher and a substantial pay raise courtesy of some sort of "executive assistant" title was enough to draw the 43 year-old Hudson to Tallahassee.
He joins other newcomers in Arizona's defensive coordinator Mark Stoops (DC), Tennessee's Eddie Gran (RB), and South Alabama's Daymeune Craig (offense). Florida State is expected to hire one more defensive assistant to coach either the defensive backs or defensive ends. Hudson is considered a dynamite hire, and based on pedigree and reputation, the 'Noles have again hit a home run, as they did with Stoops and Gran. Florida State fans will remember that Fisher strongly considered Hudson for the defensive coordinator position. Hudson is considered a capable recruiter.
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This is great.
Hoping he has a big impact on landing FSU the LBs they are still after and he should do a great job with the LBs already in house.
So which are you thinking DE or DB coach? Ive heard something about Stoops wanting the whole secondary to himself.
agreed with swfl
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 23, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
you can eliminate some
If you look at Jimbo’s retentions and hires in terms of recruiting:
Gran, Coley, w/Stoops – triple teaming South Florida
Stoops – also experienced in TX and the West
Craig – Gulf Coast, including West Florida, south Alabama, coastal Mississippi
Trickett – northern Alabama, rest of Mississippi, Ohio Valley, and OL recruiting specialist
Hudson – mid-Atlantic, especially Carolinas
Dawsey – west coast of Florida
Haggins – Central Florida
The hole in this? Who’s recruiting southern Georgia and North Florida? Any candidate mentioned who doesn’t show ties or experience with that area should be dismissed as a possibility.
Possible non-eliminated on that basis – Travis Jones, currently New Orleans Saints assistant defensive line coach. Jones is proven recruiter including being recruiting coordinator at Appalachian State and LSU. He’s a Georgia grad and native of Macon.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Jones is looking more and more likely to me, too.
That would make THREE guys that were considered DC candidates (at some point) on the staff together at the same time.
I also think Jones’ Louisiana recruiting background is key; I believe that state is vulnerable as long as The Hat is their guy — their program will continue to decline. Saban and Jimbo will be poaching the best LA talent within 2 years.
I don't think Jones was ever considered a viable DC candidate
But I would love to have him on staff.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I didn't think so, either, but I think he got mention for that role in the TN article, at least.
Just making the point he would be an extremely high quality hire.
I think Coley said something about trying to break into New Orleans in terms of recruiting
Maybe he said Haggins (DL) coach was. Jones would break in there, if anyone could.
Dell’s busting his hump, trying to get into New Orleans, and on top of that getting into Jacksonville and then Dawsey is really working the west coast – the west side of Florida through Pahokee and Bell Glade.
—Quote from Coley’s interview
im pretty sure Trickett was listed as a NorFla recruiter in an earlier post/article
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
by NorFla_Nole on Dec 23, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
that would be very recent change
and Trickett isn’t listed with any targets in NorFla by the sources I can pull up.
Previously, Fisher had Tallahassee/Big Bend – which would be reassigned when he moves up on Jan 5th. Dexter Carter had the job of assisting Fisher there, as well as having some of N.Fl and some of South Georgia. Jody Allen had the region from South Carolina to northern Florida, including the rural counties like Madison, Lafeyette, etc.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm i coulda swore i read that on TN somewhere...oh well
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Think the final position will be filled by the end of the year?
Also, any word on officially filing the S&C position?
Viloria is a Moffit protege
Moffit is indeed the guy ricobert1 was thinking of.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Tom Moffitt at LSU?
Also at Miami under Butch Davis
He is a Moffit disciple
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
The name sounds like it, though
“Vic Viloria”…
I bet they’ve already requested Garnet and Gold Velour pants and a gross of wife-beaters.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would think the position will be filled
by the time recruiting windows open post-Gator Bowl. Likely to be finalized by Jimbo before it becomes a possible distraction — meaning before the team returns to practice post-Christmas.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
My only worry...
Is he capable enough to fill Amato’s Executive Associate Head Coach position?
by basaltrock on Dec 23, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hard to tell if he can fill it....
He’s wearing a pretty baggy shirt in the picture.
All joking aside, this is a good hire. Jimbo is assembling a great staff and I hope that it starts to show on the field next season. We’ll be breaking bad habits this spring, but we have some tremendous young athletes that may not have been completely broken yet.
that’s a trick question. Amato’s ability to collect a large check while building dissention amongst the coaches, avoiding recruiting, and coaching poorly for a period of three years will be very tough to duplicate. You have to do all that in order to get the “Executive Associate” title. Likely, Hudson just be “Assistant Coach of LBs”, and he’ll have to recruit and coach from time to time.
A well trained chimp with a voice box..
and some gaudy shades could fill his shoes.
I believe ...
Jimbo should focus on getting a DE coach. Stoops will cover the defensive backs, and it is clear our DEs need some serious help.
Are we barking up the same tree?
One of the major problems we had this year was that we had 4-5 coaches with “head coach” in their titles resulting in mass pandemonium. Does anyone see this as an issue, or are we banking off the fact that Jimbo is more a head coach than a figure head. Just wanted to get your opinons. Awesome hire though!!! couldnt be more pleased!!!
It has been discussed in multiple other threads
Other elite teams do it with no apparent issues or problems so I think it all falls back to who running the show.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
If there is a clear delination of responsiblilties
and chains of authority, there should be no problems. All the titles were an issue due to the lack of clarity and delination.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Fisher would duplicate that nightmare. However,
With all of these high powered hires, could we end up with too many chefs in the kitchen? I don’t think it would be apparent the first year but it may surface over time. It seems like it would be hard to keep this group together for more than three years. So many lateral moves instead of promotions and in Hudson’s case a demotion. A clear chain of command will definitely help and I would all but guarantee that Coach Fisher will put that in place.
My guess is that Coach Fisher knows this and is building a program that grooms coaches, helps them move on or up. Hudson will follow Stoops. In fact, it may have been discussed in Stoops initial interview. I think Fisher knows he has to make a big splash his first two post-Bowden years and is going for broke. Just as long as Coley is forced to sign a 15 year contract, I’m good to go.
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Dont think its a bad thing
One of the big problems with USC this year was that they lost all the coaches who would challenge Pete, thus resulting in a stagnant program. As you and others have stated , we have to hope that Jimbo will draw clear boundries in terms of responsibilites, yet still allowing for coaches to have their input. It’s a delicate balance.
Did USC lose Steve Sarkisian and Co. due to them challenging Carroll or because they got head coaching offers?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
They lost them to head coaching jobs
But some people are wondering out loud if the guys who replaced them have the guts and/or comfort level to tell Pete he is wrong about something. Personally I think they just had to replace too much talent this year and it finally caught up with them.
by osceolafan850 on Dec 23, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I saw that on ESPN. They are stupid and grasping at straws to explain USC's season
365 days, until I change my ways.
I know you might be excited now, but I don't think we want to start giving coaches "tenure" after the Bowden experience.
What, Why?
I havent seen where that doesnt work!!!! Dadgum Ebayers
I don’t think this will be a problem – mainly due to the fact that the superstars (hudson, gran, stoops, and possibly another one) would all be coming in together for their first year at FSU. I look at it as they r all excited to have such a superstar cast and are excited to blend their styles together for something kind of exclusive and never seen before. Plus, I think Jimbo makes the hires with this in mind specifically-if they actually will blend. I think they r all excited and will be ready to start things anew together
by LETSGONOLES on Dec 24, 2009 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A few thoughts on organizational design...
Because college football is far more dynamic than some organizations, having a flexible and creative organization is important. The organization should be somewhat horizontal, allowing more freedom at each position. While you give up some efficiencies of a more vertical organization, this is not as a big of a concern with coaching football. Span of control should at 1 to 9 is a bit much, but is still manageable. Thus, having all of the coaches directly reporting to Jimbo is not as big of deal as some may think. In this case, jobs are responsible for functions as opposed to personnel. An OC is responsible for offensive game-planning, and not necessarily the other offensive coaches.
Just remember this.....
Coaching on the sidelines for Garnet and Gold in a packed house at Doak against the Canes or Gators is quite different than playing anywhere else in the nation minus some other great college football matchups. I believe most coaches would want that kind of challenge and experience IMHO.
Like I said in another post, I think these these fancy titles...
Are more for making good position coaches happier with a fancier title and more pay, hopefully keeping them from bolting; the coordinators are already making big dough and the title is enough to them IMO. I know Bama’s two coordinators don’t have fancy titles, there are two other position coaches that do. At least that’s my theory.
Its a position classification issue for Human Resources at FSU so they can pay them more.
365 days, until I change my ways.
exactly
it is to justify paying them more money, not to stroke their egos or to retain them beyond what paying them more does for them.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
a classification issue for HR as in a "loophole" to give them the amount of money they signed on for?
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Some coaches have clauses in thier contracts that wont allow a lateral move to another school
Fancy titles are a way around that.
Excellent Hire
I really believe the new staff may be able to get our defense into the top 30s low 40s in national rankings, which would be outstanding considering the product on the field this year.
Foosball is the devil
Amazing, Kudos to Fisher
A good DE coach and the staff will be built.
I thought it was a given
that Stoops would coach the defensive backs along with being the DC. He is good at it, plus I do not want Haggins to coach the entire D line. Defensive ends are very different from defensive tackles/nose guards.
He must realize that FSU is a "great opportunity"
Pirates’ Hudson staying … for now
“People think it’s what the players are doing, but it’s more what he’s doing off the field — scouting and picking the right plays to put us in a position to make plays,” said Wilson, a two-time All-C-USA selection. “So I thank him for helping me make plays.”
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Just my 2 cents
but it seems to me that Jimbo isn’t worried about putting together a staff that stays together for years to come. He is expecting some of these guys to be gone in a few years. What he needs now is a group of experienced coaches that can stabilize the program and lay the foundation for continued success even when some of them take offers that will advance their careers. He is bringing in guys that will change the mindset of the players and the athletic department. This is about changing the institutional culture as much as anything.
there's a fine balance to be hit
you’d like some of your staff to be long term, but you also recognize the best, most talented, hardest working, most ambitious will be moving up the ladder.
It is rare that someone will bust their hump without the possibility of getting a better position. Some will do it for the love of it alone, but most will want to test themselves at a “higher position” — as a coordinator, as head coach. That’s why a Stoops comes here, a Hudson – they see it as a better chance to step toward a BCS head coaching job, especially one in a top conference, than staying where they are, or in Stoops case, taking that Youngstown State job.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
That also allows
you to bring in younger, innovative, coaches that never sleep because they know that there will be opportunities inside the organization as those other coaches move into HC openings. As long as Jimbo keeps high quality personnel in the pipeline I don’t care if there is turnover. It has to be managed well, so that you don’t have too many people leaving at once and you want to make sure the new guys are quality, but I doubt we see another Micky Andrews in our lifetime, sticking around out of loyalty to a coach that won’t leave.
re: Mickey
I think the biggest reason he stuck around was that he thought he was going to take over the best program in the country. By the time he realized it would never happen, he was too old to go anywhere else.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Mickey, and I think he loves this program. But I don’t think loyalty was the driving force behind him staying at FSU all this time.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Dec 23, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Unless I missed somebody...
We have 9 coaches: Gran, Coley, Stoops, Craig, Trickett, Hudson , Dawsey, Haggins, and Fisher. So we have room for 2 more coaches, right? Don’t we need 3 more coaches: st, s&c, and another defensive coach? Can someone tell me what I’m missing?
No.
you have 1 head coach, 9 assistants, 2 grad assistants, and a strength and conditioning staff. How a school distributes it’s assistants among “positions” and such is up to it alone.
So by the way you are counting, including the S&C coach (who cannot recruit off-campus and has assistants himself), we have two spots. Special teams is likely to be assigned to a currently hired coach who has other duties as well – Gran is expected to be the guy.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ok,
Thanks for the clarification. I knew that I was missing something.
Not to be a negative nancy naysayer...
But there’s some ECU fans who are 100% confident that no contract was signed, and that he will be remaining at ECU. Speculation is that a pay raise was negotiated, and that the reason we haven’t heard anything is because the ECU administrative offices are closed for XMas break.
by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions
I checked with my sources
Hudson is a done deal to FSU.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Yards per Play
Sorry to ask something off topic, but could someone give me the link to Bud’s explanation as to why yards per play is the best indication of how a unit is performing. There is someone arguing with me that yards per point is a better metric.
Thanks.
Common sense example.
Team A scores on a fluke 1 play-99 yd touchdown pass, but doesn’t gain another yard the rest of the game.
Team B routinely gets decent field position and routinely scores. They score 49 points on 7 drives with an average scoring drive of 60 yards.
Team A has 99 yds per point. Team B has 8.57 yds per point. Who has the better offense?
Perhaps your man is talking about points per yard so as not to reward teams that constantly drive the ball, but can’t finish. After all, what good is moving the ball without scoring?
Bingo
PPP is the best measure. YPP is good, but PPP is better.
I believe that is why Bud is always touting Outsiders and the S&P+ which uses and adjusted PPP measurement. No better way to measure offensive efficiency. How many points did you score with the plays you had?
Cedat Fortuna Peritis
points per play reflects special teams and field position too much
YPP is the best metric.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 23, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree slighlty
I guess I still hold to the idea that return teams are part of the offense and kicking teams are part of the defense. If you have a dominant return team resulting in good field position I consider that an extension of the offense.
But I do get what you are saying.
Cedat Fortuna Peritis
The idea is to score
Whether you are using PPY or PPP, that seems to me to be the most important input. How many points did you score with the plays available to you? What difference does yardage make? Yardage alone is a terrible indicator.
Cedat Fortuna Peritis
The idea is to score AND
to keep the ball away from the other team. A pick-six is a mixed blessing b/c your defense has to get right back on the field. A 16-play 80-yd scoring drive is good on every* level. Long scoring drives establish your offensive rhythm. LSD’s disrupt opponent offensive continuity. LSD’s tire the opponents defense. LSD’s rest your defense. It’s all good.
*The one exception is when you’re more than one score behind late in the game.
+1
The ultimate goal is to possess the ball (35+ minutes) and score everytime you have it.
"We'll win games with talent. We'll win championships with character."
-Jimbo Fisher
by FloridaStateJay on Dec 24, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Truism
but you score by moving the ball all the way into the endzone, right? There aren’t teams who are great at moving the ball and then can’t consistently score.
Can someone describe how Hudson's D scheme compares to Stoops' ?
Going back a few years, I recall that the LB coach we had before Steele (Joe… something) was an old friend of Mickey’s but their D philosophies did not mesh— they had coached very different styles for too long. The result was a train wreck that resulted in Joe moving on and FSU hiring Steele.
How does the D scheme employed by Hudson, who’s used to being in control, compare/contrast with what Mark Stoops is doing?
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
That was Joe Kines...
Oddly he left for Alabama and then Steele would also eventually leave for Alabama; I believe Kines is now Texas A&M’s DC. Either way, he wasn’t a good fit here, another poor hire during the lost decade…
yes, but that was a clash of schemes
(Kines was a band-don’t-break type, Mickey was all attack, all the time) and they never fully meshed their styles. It was not a clash competence or of personalities. It was just two very experienced and capable DC-level coaches taking different approaches.
That’s why I’m asking someone more knowledgeable than I am to compare the defensive philosophies employed by Stoops and Hudson respectively.
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
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Why would FSU hire a DB Coach when Stoops has always Coached them both? There is now way that Jimbo let’s Haggins coach both the DT/DE. Stoops does not need help and has proven what he can do. Haggins on the other hand still has to show Fisher that he belongs on his staff.
Haggins is proven
I don’t see why he needs to prove anything. OTHER THAN he can blend with the new staff and he still has the passion.
FSU’s had a long succession of DTs to the pros, up until recently, under Odell. The issue with the interior line is either passion or talent. Odell had only so much input into who’s recruited, someone else screened film for him as the position coach to have input on.
Another possible hold back that could have impacted the chain of DTs to the pros FSU had was the S&C system. That is being corrected (again).
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
But not DE's.
Gladden was the DE coach, and we’ve not achieved that level since. Odell never coached or played DE. He’s not qualified to handle that position and should not be given that responsibility.
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
Gladden was definitely key back then...
When he left and we replaced him with an unqualified Allen, things headed downhill; probably hard really judge Haggins DT’s when they’re getting little help from the DE’s. I usually look at the D-line performance as a whole, like many do, and when you’ve got 2 of the 4 positions being utterly ineptly coached, it’s making everyone look bad IMO.
I guess where I’m going is the Gladden/Haggins, I don’t remember hearing a lot of complaints back then, so hopefully we bring in someone who can create a good team like those two had way back when.
Not a done deal...
according to PirateIllustrated:
GREENVILLE, N.C. – At this hour (Noon Christmas Eve) ECU defensive coordinator Greg Hudson has not signed or announced any change in coaching venue for the 2010 season. “There has been healthy conversation with Florida State,” said the fifth year ECU defensive coordinator, “There will be nothing more about it until after the game.”
http://eastcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1032498
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Dec 24, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Yea I would not expect anything different.
This is a done deal.
Kyle Parker getting drafted for baseball this June could help alot.
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