FSU's Jimbo Fisher likes EJ Manuel's Growth as Gator Bowl Practice Continues
The sun finally popped through the clouds Monday morning at Jacksonville University as Florida State held its third practice in preparation for the Jan. 1, 2010 Gator Bowl meeting with West Virginia. In their final full-pads practice before Friday's sold out game, the Seminoles worked for 19 periods. Practice culminated with a five-minute period of scrimmaging from the 10-yard line, followed by a five-minute goal line period. Florida State redshirt freshman quarterback EJ Manuel, who will make his fourth consecutive start against the Mountaineers, was the topic of discussion in the 20-minute interview session prior to the start of practice. Manuel has led the Seminoles to a 2-1 record since replacing Christian Ponder, the Atlantic Coast Conference leader in passing and total offense, who suffered a season-ending shoulder injury against Clemson. Offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher has been largely pleased with Manuel's performance and growth over that stretch and hopes that the additional 15 days of bowl preparation will serve the Virginia Beach, Va., native well against West Virginia. "You never know what you have until you go out there and have success," said Fisher. "Then you say, `You know, I can do this.' Then the confidence grows and grows. He had two great games to get us into this bowl. He played great at Wake (Forest), had a couple mistakes against Maryland - a few that were not his fault, others that were. He then battled back and led us to a two-minute drive. That kind of experience is invaluable. We had a tough situation at Florida ... but he played well in the second half. "I think his growth each week and the situations he's been in has helped him progress along the way. You can only get it by being out there and I think he handled it well. He realizes now that he can play this game. He knows how to play it and now its just time for him to be consistent and play on a down-in, down-out basis." Though Manuel is a dangerous runner, not unlike West Virginia quarterback Jerrod Brown, he prefers to stand tall in the pocket and access all of his weapons. "I can run if I have to," said Manuel. "I would rather sit in the pocket and let my receivers, running backs and tight ends do the job of running with the ball. But if the pocket breaks down, I can get out of there." Learning when to escape the pocket and make plays on his own, or stand in and deliver the ball at the last second, is part of the learning process. Fisher sees Manuel making those strides - "knowing where you're going and why you're going" - with every practice. "The big thing for him is understanding why he is doing what he is doing," Fisher said. "Finding the extra meaning behind why is so important. Coming out here is kind of like having another spring (practice). No matter how you look at this - sure it's a bowl game and you want to win - but for those (young) kids' development and growth and to where they are going, it's a whole another spring they get. So you get to ask them the why? Why do you do this? Why do you do that? The more they understand why than they can become better players." Some selected quotes from the media session prior to the start of Monday's Gator Bowl practice: Head Coach Bobby Bowden: On what scares him the most about playing West Virginia: "Well, the thing that scares me the most is West Virginia's ability to come up with the big play. That has been our nemesis all year. We will play pretty good defense then all of a sudden 65 yards, 55 yards, 100 yards, that is really what has happened to us all year. We have probably given up more big plays this year then I can ever remember. Now, if they didn't have a big play man on their team I wouldn't worry that much about it. But they got a guy that can strike; I mean he can kill you with one play. They got a couple of them, but that is probably my biggest concern right there. Other than that, it is probably a pretty good match-up." Junior defensive end Markus White: "Practice has been pretty much the same as it was at school, hard. They haven't been slacking on us. They are making us go just as hard as if we were at school. The weather has been the hardest part, in my opinion. It's really cold." "I think everybody is headed in the right direction. Everybody's focused and trying to get the big win not only for ourselves and our team but for Tallahassee and Coach Bowden, especially." "Coach has a lot going with this game and he feels that we should beat this team and if we prepare the right way, there's no reason we shouldn't. Pretty much, we just need to know who we're playing against - that they have a speedy running back, a shifty quarterback that can run and can throw the ball. Basically we need to know their personnel." "Of course, I'm very excited for the game and happy to be in Florida still. Being from Florida, my whole family can come. Playing in Jacksonville, it's a nice place to play. I like the fact that we are in the Gator Bowl." Freshman wide receiver Rodney Smith: How important is bowl practice for your continued development? "It's really important, because it's getting me ready for next year for me to come in and try to get a lot more playing time. It helps the team see where we're going to be next year at the beginning of the season. If we win this game, there's a good chance we'll have a good season next year." How much has your confidence grown by getting more playing time down the stretch in the regular season? "I'm a lot more confident now since I know the offense. I'm still learning. At first it was real hard. I was used to playing and I wasn't playing. Now that I'm playing a little bit, I've still got to keep working hard to get ready for next year." Sophomore linebacker Nigel Bradham: After finishing the season strong, so you concern yourself with getting back to the same level with a month off before the bowl game? "Yeah, you worry. That's where practice comes in. I remember the first week we came back out here, I was rusty, real rusty. But everybody was. You've pretty much got to bet back in the groove of football. When you take a little break from it you lose a mechanics and technique that you've got to start working on. You've just got to get that focus by coming back out here and working hard." Where are you now in terms of getting back to top form after a couple weeks of bowl practice? "I feel pretty good now. If you had asked me that the first week, I would have said I have a long ways to go, but I feel real good right now. I feel regenerated, like we just started two-a-days. You're real motivated for the game." Sophomore running back Jermaine Thomas: "It seems like it's more hard work than fun right now. Jimbo always says there's a time to play and a time to work so it's basically turning that switch on and off at the right time."
Source: FSU's SID's press release.
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“the big play. That has been our nemesis all year. We will play pretty good defense then all of a sudden 65 yards, 55 yards, 100 yards, that is really what has happened to us all year. We have probably given up more big plays this year then I can ever remember. Now, if they didn’t have a big play man on their team I wouldn’t worry that much about it”
Man am I glad he’s leaving. Big plays don’t just magically pop up out of no where. Someone needs to tell him that. They pop up when your defense stinks.
I think what Jimbo said about Manuel should be taken with a grain of salt. He’s still a freshman QB with little experience, especially in big games (yes, he played against UF, but that was an expected loss). I spoke to one of our team managers the other day and he told me Manuel was taken out of practice a few days ago because he was playing so poorly. But on the bright side, our team manager said Manuel is more of a gameday QB, rather than a practice QB.
Like the guys said, I think this game will carry a lot of weight into the offseason and next year. The news out of Tallahassee has been all positive since Bobby announced his retirement. We need to keep that positive feeling going (especially for the recruits).
by Long-Distance Nole on Dec 28, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions
How can he be tagged as a gameday QB with on 3 career games under his belt?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Gameday QB meaning he performs better in games rather than in practice.
by Long-Distance Nole on Dec 28, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it may be a bit early, but it's rather obvious that he plays better in games rather than in practice, especially if we're comparing him to CP7.
by Long-Distance Nole on Dec 28, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
He has looked worse in practice against our terrible defense (both 2nd and 1st teams) than he has in his 3 starts.
I find that a little hard to believe.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
arguably no QB played better than Cp7 this year
and EJ has a very limited workload. He has talent but it is still to be fukly developed. He won’t challenge Ponder unless X doesn’t heal properly.
I don't think anyone can challenge Ponder.
But Manuel needs to spend this year learning all he can from CP. That’ll be more beneficial to him, in my mind, than starting 8-9 games.
by Long-Distance Nole on Dec 28, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think you guys are underestimating the shoulder injury.....
Having been through one myself I can tell you first hand that it is not something to be taken lightly in such a rough sport……..He could be 100% and one untimely hit or awkward release and it will pop right out again.
Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?
by stevegrizzle on Dec 29, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions
The surgery was to correct that.
The possibility is always there that he reinjures it. But doing what Bradford did and only resting it for a few weeks before getting it hit again and having Ponder get surgery and perform a full offseason of rehab are two totally different things. I wonder if he’ll even be cleared for spring ball. I hope not, unless he’s 100% healthy. Summer workouts and the fall practices are hopefully all the time he’ll need.
Yes, I am new to the TomahawkNation community, but not to the FSU fanbase. Lifetime Nole. Thanks for the welcome.
by Long-Distance Nole on Dec 28, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions
Makes me wonder
Has any coach every admitted his QB sucked in practice? Even Gruden would talk his guys up. I am sure Manuel will be able to execute the gameplan though. Jimbo will come up with a plan to put him in a position to succeed and the running game, bootlegs and PA passes will have to be enough to win the game.
Guys come on,
Remember how bad Ponder was against WF in 08? JF will work his magic. Screens, Short passes & the option will beat almost anyone w/ the right players & execution. Have faith, gentlemen, we’re finally in good hands.
If it's there, we'll do it
Establish the run first and make the safeties come up and defend, then protect the passer.
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What's that have to do with never taking a shot downfield?
It’s just a wrinkle. Do it 4-5 times per game just to make sure the secondary is playing honest and not cheating on the short routes.
It would also help Ponder's draft stock.
A lot of QBs can throw those WR bubble screens. The NFL guys can throw deep.
actually
Ponder did throw some deep routes. Deep comebacks and deep outs. I remember him throwing those and making him them just fine.
Not BYU. Even though we scored 54, I think Ponder had under 200 yds passing that game.
I think it was against UNC. As I recall, it was an intermediate pass where Owens (?) got by the corner on the sideline & no one could catch him.
Yes. You're correct.
It wasn’t a bomb. It was just a great throw and grab by Owens to house it. Other than that, I think we only had one reception longer than 34 yards, and I couldn’t tell you if the ball was actually thrown 30+ yards or not.
I mean we only had one reception longer than 30 yards, that being a 34 yarder to Fortson.
I do remember having a 30-40 yarder called back due to penalty, but think it was something around 15 yards that Fortson turned into a big gain.
At this point...
Manuel is read #1… drift in the pocket… read #2 (maybe) then take off.
That’s unless he has already determined pre snap where he is going with the ball. Lots of work to be done.
It wasn't all that long ago
When a large amount of fans thought Drew Weatherford was more talented than Ponder. I remember laughing at the sentiment of some who thought Ponder was a fill in to give Manuel time to get ready. Manuel can be a good quarterback but he has nowhere near the smooth delivery Ponder has.
Secord I can’t comment on because I have never seen him throw the ball. Has anyone around here watched him and what do you think? I haven’t seen Trickett throw the ball in years since I watched him in a high school game but he didn’t look bad even then. I saw enough there to know Trickett will definitely lower his head and take on tacklers, which is also fairly risky for a quarterback.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Weatherford
I was never a huge fan of Weatherford. Weak arm, not terribly bright, making his sense of entitlement all the more entertaining.
EJ will be much better than Weatherford. At the very least, even if he were to never quite “get it,” he’s got the athleticism to make some things happen that Weatherford couldn’t. But we’re not going to know what to make of EJ for a couple years, anyway.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 29, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
I was down on him the day we signed him (Weatherford)
He played terrible competition in high school and was never worth the hype
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Weatherford is a fairly bright guy
While not the greatest decision maker, and not up to the superior level of Ponder, Weatherford is still a fairly bright guy. Every encounter I ever had with the guy through multiple classes and in normal conversation gave me a lot of respect for him. He knows how to handle himself and respect those around him. He never had a sense of entitlement. He was one of the most surprisingly modest athletes I ever met. What held him back were his decision-making and arm strength. Oh, and that Ponder just had so much more potential (and thankfully Fisher saw it).
I wanted either Ponder or Richardson to start over Weatherford last year. Didn't matter to me who.
But after that awful rookie campaign I never expected this type of year out of Ponder. I’m impressed. In both he and Fisher. Believers of both now.
If I remember correctly,
and I may be wrong here, but weren’t the expectations for Ponder originally pretty low in comparison with other prospects? I remember an interview with him on Jeff Cameron when he was a senior in HS and I was impressed, but I also remember the hype more surrounding D’Vontrey, kinda like it did with Xavier when he and Drew were battling.
Ponder was only a 3 star QB coming out of HS. Not very highly recruited either.
Jimbo’s created the monster we know as CP7. I expect him to do the same with EJ.
by Long-Distance Nole on Dec 29, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think these last 4 games will be good for EJ in the long run.
He will be better prepared to take over for CP in 2011.
Jimbo is
very good at evaluating talent, and is a great QB developer. His player selections were exemplified at LSU, and his QB coaching is showcased by Ponder. To think that a QB in his system or handpicked by him won’t excel on the field is to bet against the house. Just sayin’
"We'll win games with talent, but we'll win championships with character and intelligence."
I agree
EJ was recruited very heavily by WVU and their coach said something along the lines of, “FSU fans will be smiling for the next few years when they get to see what this kid can really do”
I think
It would be a mistake to evaluate the program base on a single player…….Ponder or EJ
Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?
by stevegrizzle on Dec 29, 2009 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
In the long run for FSU football
Ponder’s shoulder injury might have proven to be the best thing to happen this year.
If Ponder had remained healthy, he might have rallied FSU in that game. Had he, Bobby might have gotten one more year (maybe). Lots of what ifs but maybe.
Even if Ponder had stayed healthy and not rallied FSU and Bowden’s situation was the same today, it still might be good long term. EJ got three games under his belt, and went 2-1 (not counting the Clemson game he was a part of). Likely Ponder would have done no better in terms of wins and losses in that three game stretch. EJ gained experience, and now there’s a lot of film for Fisher to review of game day performance of EJ. The number of bowl practices is almost as long as spring – with the opportunity to spend almost all the QB teaching time with EJ. That’s huge for EJ’s development. A healthy Ponder would have gotten most the reps that went to EJ in these practices.
For the Gator Bowl, Fisher now designs the game plan around EJ’s strengths. That will be more film on EJ, more learning by EJ and about EJ. Win or lose. That will be more for Fisher and EJ to work on in the spring. Being a two year starter, Ponder will likely sit most the spring, except scrimmages, to let the younger QBs develop (I’m assuming, typically at FSU, spring is learning time and seniors practice little – before scholarship reductions, returning senior starters used to get the spring practice off so the coaches could work with younger players – Fisher as HC may think differently).
In short, this is huge for EJ’s development. You don’t wish any player hurt, but there is a bright silver lining in the cloud of Ponder’s injury.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 29, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
Another advantage is now EJ has enough experience to share the load with Ponder a little bit. We can now afford not to have our starting QB in for 100% of the snaps, hopefully helping to keep Ponder healthy.
Ponder
By the way, when does the Heisman campaign start?

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