Spoke with a very influential booster today. He said he has not been approached to donate more money in order to hire a defensive coordinator, but that those doing the hiring know that money will be no object in getting the best possible defensive coordinator to Florida State. He assured me that if FSU did miss out on its DC choice, it would not be as a result of a lost bidding war.
Also, a reader of Tomahawk Nation informs us that Florida State set a record for new booster sign-ups the day after Bowden retired.
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But I very seriously doubt their list is better than our search. Perhaps it is. But remember they were the people who said the Bowden thing wasn’t done yet 24 hours after we reported it was definitely over.
The more names you throw out, the more likely you are to be correct.
yeah, i'm just giddy about the new dc...
foster or smart have gotta be my 2 favorite choices
by garnetandgold on Dec 3, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Foster would have VT fans jumping off of buildings...
if you read their comments (not just recently, but over time) they really believe he should just stick around and wait, and he should have no motivation to go anywhere else.
If that happened, I think my whole family would become FSU fans...finally.
"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."
I'm just curious why his name didn't come up for UVA?
Instead, a bunch of other coaches that I’ve never really heard of are thought to be the frontrunners?
Years ago but still applicable
I interviewed at UVa. Terry Holland told me, "Bud, you did a great job with your interview, but it would be hard for us to hire a Hokie." And I told him, "Coach, I’m a Hokie by association. I don’t have a degree from Virginia Tech." But they hired Al Groh, who’s one of their own, which is understandable.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Al Groh wasn't a bad hire
Passing Bud Foster up because of his associations was stupid, though. Guess we should’ve told Mickey to f off years ago.
The thing is
that even if Bud does become a HC and does well, its hard to still say that UVA made a big mistake.
"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."
Smart vs Foster
I personally would like to see what Smart can do, but from an objective POV, Foster has the resume. Smart doesn’t. Everything that revolves around Smart is presumptions. “If he wasn’t a good coach, why would Saban keep him”, “Saban values him”, “He’s a great recruiter”.
Lets face it. Frank Beamer is good, but he’s not Nick Saban. Is Smart a great recruiter? Or is he a great recruiter because Nick Saban is his head coach and recruits know that? Is his defense great, or is Nick Saban’s defense great? WHY is Saban keeping him around? Is it because he’s a great coach, or because he’ll be a good scapegoat should something go wrong?
Uncertainty…
I don’t see a problem with either of them, but if Smart is only going to be around a few years anyway, I’d rather have Foster now. His style is just great and his defenses have been awesome. Throw Florida grown talent into that mix and you’d have something amazing.
by garnetandgold on Dec 3, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
What's to say that Foster will only be around for a couple of years?
& go take a HC job somewhere else…
you want someone not good enough
to get consideration for a top job?
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 3, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's precisely my point
What’s the difference between Foster & Smart? They’re both looking for a stepping stone to a HC position and will probably be gone in a couple years. I don’t see that as a distinction b/t the two as used by garnetandgold
I don't subscribe
But I get their emails. And the email about Fisher’s DC search shows pictures of 4 guys…let’s just say one of the guys (not sure who it is) is so old, that Bobby Bowden would refer to him as “a young whippersnapper”.
I’m thinking this is still Bowden’s list of candidates or something…
We have to be Smart about this decision!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
With all the hiring and firing going on
Maybe Tommy Bowden ends up back at Tulane with Rich Rod as his offensive coordinator. Maybe they coalesce around their proper roles!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Signups in one day?
I’m gonna stick with the “dad alot” sentiment.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Dec 3, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am estatic about it
We have a lot of catching up to do, hopefully they keep rolling in.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I would imagine you’re correct. But you’re probably talking about a school like Alabama the day AFTER Nick Saban is hired.
We are talking about the day after a legend is FIRED. Very different things.
by tricknole on Dec 3, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So 50+ new Boosters
Hopefully they buy season tickets, and purchase several for friends/family.
I’ll be contributing to Boosters as well, but unrelated to the Bobby situation.
Knew I should have invested in season tix last year, instead of getting the student discounted ones!
Smart vs Foster
I personally would like to see what Smart can do, but from an objective POV, Foster has the resume. Smart doesn’t. Everything that revolves around Smart is presumptions. “If he wasn’t a good coach, why would Saban keep him”, “Saban values him”, “He’s a great recruiter”.
Lets face it. Frank Beamer is good, but he’s not Nick Saban. Is Smart a great recruiter? Or is he a great recruiter because Nick Saban is his head coach and recruits know that? Is his defense great, or is Nick Saban’s defense great? WHY is Saban keeping him around? Is it because he’s a great coach, or because he’ll be a good scapegoat should something go wrong?
Uncertainty…
I agree with this.
If we are talking strictly results/resume, Foster is better. I mean he’s been coaching at VT since Kirby was in like 4th grade.
Just hope Charlie Strong is not hired away soon (or at least announced)...
I’d like to lock up our DC first.
The sooner the better IMO
UF has other things on their mind than who would be their next DC
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I would prefer he announce pronto
Distractions for the team and game preparations. Maybe get a few commits to waiver. Maybe cause a few leans to go elsewhere.
It's not even likely Smart comes to FSU
His point is that he wouldn’t want UF competing with us for our next DC. They may have more money and they’re certainly higher profile at the moment.
Good for FSU
The college football landscape is better when FSU is at the top of their game. It’s also better for the ACC. Then college football fans aren’t stuck with Georgia Tech/Virginia Tech ruining BCS bowl games.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
GT and VT don't ruin BCS games.
Those programs are top level programs, just not elite programs. You can include Clemson in there as well. Miami and Florida State are the elites in the ACC.
The school that ruins BCS games would be Wake Forest, but what can you do? They deserved to play in the game.
As much as I agree with this as an FSU fan,
I won’t bring up our BCS bowl record.
Some of our BCS games were against other elite programs...
remember we used to face miami in the Orange Bowl when they were in the Big East.
I understand the point…The chances of a Wake Forest vs Cincy orange bowl are frightening.
I don't care who we're playing, theACC is an awful 2-9 in BCS bowls
The Mid-Western Athletic Conference has as many wins is the ACC does, both by Utah, up until VaTech’s win last year, the last win the ACC had was the 99 title game vs. VaTech.
One thing to note though is that Miami and VaTech’s BCS wins/losses while in the Big East don’t count against that record, but in any rate the ACC has been terrible in the BCS and has not gotten an at-large bid yet in 11 years.
Georgia Tech has plenty of history
if the name Heisman has any weight.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
John Heisman
coached at Ga Tech 1904 to 1919. Beat Cumberland 222-0 in the most lopsided victory in college football.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
i think we are 1-4 since the bcs has been used. ou is like 1-5. so its not terrible. some schools wished they played in 5 bcs games.
Actually I think we are also 1-5...
Losses:
98 – Tennessee
00 -Oklahoma
03 – Georgia
04 – Miami
06 – Penn State
Win obviously 99 vs. VaTech
I just find this post funny
as you’ve listed the 98-00 years as the regular season year, but the 03,04 and 06 years were for when the bowl was played.
I don’t think there was any confusion about what the intention was or the actual year, it just amused me.
:)
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Well, I'm glad to hear
that money won’t be an issue. Its nice to have such booster support after a major change, it shows that FSU has a bright future.
I wish I could go to sleep and wake up next week
I really can’t wait to find out for sure who our defensive staff is going to be. Every year I sit around in the off-season waiting for CFB to come back on, but this was the first year I sat around all season waiting for the off-season to get here so we could finally see some major changes. Love Foster or Smart, but now more then ever I am confident that even if it’s a surprise name that no one is really talking about it will still be a great hire. Seems like every rumor from every source leads to amazingly capable coaches and I think we are about to make some big headlines before the end of the year. With the coaches in place the recruits will come. GO NOLES!!!!!!
It'll be like an early Christmas.
FSU fans have suffered long enough. We need something to be excited about.
With all due respects to all 4 of these individuals, Bud Foster is Frank Beamer's version of what Mickey Andrews is to Bobby Bowden.
Here is why I am somewhat doubting the rumors that Foster is having issues with Beamer as the reason he is allegedly looking.
Foster has been with Beamer in some capacity since 1981, and his DC since 1995. They have been together for 29 seasons, so they must get along pretty good. Hopefully there is a issue and that is why he might be looking. If there are no issues, then isn’t FSU just a lateral move, albeit to a more prestigious program, or at least it used to be. Why not ride it out and wait for a HC offer or for Beamer to retire.
Regardless of if there is a rift in their relationship, and for our sake hopefully there is, he interviewed for a HC jobs at WVU in 2007 and for Tommy Bowden’s job at Clemson in 2008. So he is definitely looking for a HC position as his next career advancement, just as Smart is.
If we hire either of these two, they could be gone at the end of the first season either if they turn our D around and become more valuable, or even just if a HC position turns up they are interested in.
So hopefully Jimbo will ask the new DC to groom his future replacement because either one will probably only be a stop gap coach, but I think most of us are willing to take that chance.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Foster's defense
I dont know much about the Hokies, but it seemed like Foster’s defense got burned a ton this season too. I’m just wondering if OC’s have figured out his scheme much like they did Mickey’s, or if it was just bad execution on the players?
Other than Alabama, VT kept pretty much everyone in check. I would assume Duke and UVA racked up their yards in garbage time.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I have only been able to find VT defense stats compared to the ACC, not nationally. And in the ACC they are tops or close to it, so that would be an improvement, but I’m more concerned about the national level. We were a stop or 2 in a couple of ACC games from winning, and if any DC can’t fix that, they shouldn’t be in the game. I want to know when we play FU or the like, we have a chance to win regardless of what our offense does. I want to know that if we’re only able to score 10, then the defense will only allow 9 a la the 90’s. If we can get back there we will be dangerous, especially with the potential offenses we have. Damn Mickey and his defenses spoiled me.
You are going to be in for a long wait if you expect a repeat of the Outzen game anytime soon
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
His last 3 defenses, adjusted for opponent (so it accounts for the ACC's offensive troubles if you believe those)
2009 14
2008 17
2007 7
Yea, I was just able to find the complete NCAA stats, and VT is top 15 in both Scoring defense and Total Defense. Ill gladly take that.
For defense
VT wasn’t getting near the talent we were and possibly still are.
Jimbo eyeing the potential in Ponder and developing him into what he is is similar to what Bud has a track record of on defense.
"as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."
Missed the Duke game
But was at the VT game. I’ll say this—VT struggled against the mobile quarterback. I don’t know why, because they new it was coming (this is literally all UVA could do on offense).
>>---l>
UGA fans have Smart as their top candidate
Buck Belou went on the radio here in Atlanta today saying that Smart should be far and away UGA’s top choice. Didn’t mention FSU once. I kind of want to email him and tell him that his boy more likely to end up at FSU, although I’m sure Smart will turn this into a 3 way bidding war.
by Dent Street Nole on Dec 3, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions
Well hopefully TN is right
And we won’t lose if it comes down to a bidding war. Money is no object! Name your price, Kirby.
He's been pusing for Smart for awhile, since this isn't the first time folks have had issues with Willie Martinez
The AJC mentioned today the possibility of Bud Foster coming to UGA, but in the same piece mentioned Tommy Tuberville as a DC at UGA…. whatever.
Yeah, UGA fans are beyond delusional
They make our fans look sensible. I’ve heard nothing but “what about Tommy Tuberville?” or “what about Brian Van Gorder?” all week long. Ridiculous.
by Dent Street Nole on Dec 3, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I got into a little argument with a UGA fan last night. He kept saying about how much better a UGA DC job is than an FSU DC job and blah blah. It was rather comical. Then he told me how FSU and UGA aren’t even on the same level and nobody would turn down a UGA job for an FSU job. They think UGA is just the cat’s meow when it’s far from it.
Yup. You can't say it any better than that.
They’re a regional program trying to pretend they’re national.
by Dent Street Nole on Dec 3, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of which...
Mandel on SI.com had this article in response to delusional UGA fans…really pisses them off…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/08/08/cfb.bag/index.html
Then ask that idiot why they haven’t won a NC since the Reagan administration, and why have they gone 3-17 against UFAG in the last two decades?! Georgia is okay with me personally, but it’s not greatest like they think. Richt has turned that program around yes, but he has won about all he can there and he may by starting to realize it.
We have more recent NC success (imagine that) and a better recruiting base. That’s why UGA stays in Tampa/ St. Pete and pokes their nose around in the Palm Beach County area for talent. Hell, they offered a RB out here in San Diego (He commited to Oklahoma). Hell, LSU is a better gig than UGA. LSU keeps more of it’s prime recruits in-state and the proximity to Texas helps them supplement that in-state talent as well. I once had a UGA fan try to bump his gums about Florida State. I had to shut him up very quickly. SEC fans are a trip any damn way!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 3, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Fact is Richt's record isn't any different than Donnan's and they fired him
I never saw so many happy fans when the got rid of JD yet they love MR? Go figure…
The Richt love is dwindling. UGA fans have a serious case of envy for other SEC schools. They really ride the coattails of much greater programs and expect the same amount of respect as a Florida or Alabama.
Georgia football tradition
comes down to one man, and it’s not Vince Dooley. Hersher Walker may have been the greatest freshman ever, maybe best player ever. Otherwise there isn’t much contribution from the dogs toward CFB history. FSU and rival SEC programs have been raiding Georgia talent for years. Consistently the most overrated program in my lifetime.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
They think they're an elite national program
when they’re really just a regional program. It’s how I look at them. It’s how the region looks at them. It’s how the nation looks at them.
If Smart ever wants the UGA HC job...
he hurts that by going to UGA as a DC and saving Richt’s job.
I am not sure if that how Smart is thinking, but I think UGA is a bad move for that reason.
I do not think UGA or FSU's defensive coordinator position
Is the cat’s meow at the moment, but if either team started winning more again and could beat the Gators, then either could be a prestigious job.
I said this on that other site, what if UGA’s boosters also say momey is no object? Kirby Smart could end up a $2 million coordinator. A bidding war would be music to his agent’s ears.
making more than Fisher possibly....
at some point it is safe to assume that money IS an object. There should have been an * by the comment that stated “reasonable and customer salary”.
I agree
I’m not saying FSU is a way better or more prestigious job than UGA, or vice versa. I’m just saying UGA fans think UGA is the cream of the crop and anyone who doesn’t want to coach there is mentally handicapped. I actually don’t mind UGA (both loathe the Gators) but they are not “all that and a bag of chips” right now like their fans think.
I certainly hope we don’t blow $2 million or anywhere close to it for a coordinator. I don’t even think Jimbo will be making that much, will he? I’m sure if it got too high we’d just say forget it, we’ll get someone else. We don’t need to spend a gagillion dollars to get an awesome DC. If they’re willing to spend that much on him, then they need him more than we do.
Ever seen bids on Ebay
The idea is to go there and get a good deal, but sometimes people get so caught up at the end in winning the bid they go beyond what they initially intend as their maximum offer just to win. What if the schools do that? It could get up there, doubtful $2 mil, I was kidding about that.
Try www.esnipe.com
You can enter your max bid, and it will place an e-bay bid for you 1-2 secs. before the auction closes at the lowest increment price poss. and it won’t go over your max bid. I wouldn’t bid on anything on e-bay without it. It prevents early bidding wars and keeps the cost down. A good way to steal a sale from someone who thinks they have it locked up.
I do that myself
If it is something I really want on ebay I nail it the last fifteen seconds.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
It's great if UGA thinks their job is more prestigious than FSU's
To illustrate my point, consider whether Kirby Smart’s choice was between DC at Duke and DC at FU. FU wouldn’t be willing to pay $800k for a DC (while Duke might) and would cut the bidding war off at a much lower amount simply because many people should want the DC job at a much more prestigious school.
Georgia hasn’t had the type of success as FSU had during its Golden years. I don’t think it’s a more prestigious job. UGA is far less likely to win a conference championship having to go through Saban AND Meyer. Odds of success are LOW. On the other hand, FSU’s new DC’s odds of success are much higher. Much more likely to make rapid and substantial improvement to FSU’s defense. Odds of a conference championship and national coverage are higher at FSU too. FSU should be a more attractive job for top DC candidates and shouldn’t have to pay as much as UGA, even though I bet we’re willing to.
Let’s hope UGA thinks they are as prestigious as the top schools and that they cut the bidding off low.
Question about gator bowl tix
Should I buy them through FSU or the Gator bowl? Whats the difference ? better seat selections? this will be my first bowl game..
Unconquered GO NOLES !
Woot ! got my Tix 136 row Z :)
Unconquered GO NOLES !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Dec 3, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's not
I think there’s still some debate on if we’ll get it. But most signs indicate it’ll be ours.
by FloridaState on Dec 3, 2009 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah that was ridiculous
It’s easy for them to say all this because they’re not having to deal with 6 losses every year and losing to their rival 6 times in a row. They also don’t follow FSU when they say “just one more year.” That’s been like our freakin’ motto for the last 8 years! “Oh, maybe next year we’ll do it,” or “Next year will definitely be the year.”
All these ESPN talking heads have no clue what they’re talking about.
They think FSU fans should just be content to suck for as many years as Bowden wants, all so they can have their nice “happy” ending to his career.
For the most part the media has not killed us over this, but May and Holtz were so invested in the Bowden story that they had to.
very true.
Those who are with us, great. Those who don’t like it, screw ‘em. I love Bobby forever but anyone who doesn’t think he he left the inevitable is blind sir, blind. In three years no one will care anyway.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
I expect Holtz to stick up for Bobby, they really do go back
a long way. Lou and his wife honeymooned at Bobby’s house when the Holtz’s got married because they were broke. So I expect it a little from him. May, what an idiot. Or perhaps he’s a gutless coward who’s afraid to stick out.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
I think it's good news UGA thinks they can get him
It’s a sign that FSUn is not the only one who thinks Smart could leave ’Bama.
UGA thinks they can get anybody
Tuberville
Smart
The SoCar guy
I think FSUn posted a link to an article that had a poll question asking who they would get. About 7 options. All of them were pretty big name guys. It was laughable.
Florida State: We are hearing that Kansas co-defensive coordinator Bill Miller has talked with Florida State head coach Jimbo Fisher about the defensive coordinator job. Miller served as the secondary coach at Florida when the Gators held LSU’s offense scoreless in 2003 (when LSU won the national championship). Jimbo served as the offensive coordinator at that time under head coach Nick Saban
i hope this isnt true.i mean even talking to him, hes a co dc on a bad defense.
Florida State:
Sources tell us that Jimbo Fisher has offered the Defensive Coordinator job to Kirby Smart (Alabama Defensive Coordinator). Fisher worked with Fisher at
LSU and former FSU Graduate Assistant (2002-2003). If Smart turns the job down, Head Coach Fisher is going to turn to Bud Foster (Virginia Tech
Defensive Coordinator) or Sal Sunseri (Alabama Linebacker Coach). Also, look for Manny Diaz, MTSU Defensive Coordinator, and Dameyune Craig,
Former Auburn QB/Fomer LSU Graduate Assistant/Current South Alabama Wide Receiver Coach, to join the staff very soon.
im posting stuff thats recently posted on a coaching rumor website. this site has been right about everything so far. since this was area talkin about hiring a dc. figured id post it.
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