What are the tangible benefits of UF's spending?
by willdabeast on Dec 4, 2009 11:44 AM EST
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FSUn has said numerous times that the gap between UF and FSU's ability to spend is so great that we (FSU) will never be able to compete with them again.
What are the tangible benefits to all this spending?
What can they buy with all this money that we cannot?
I'd really like to hear the real tangible things. For someone who doesn't spend a lot of time around Major college football I'd like to hear what UF can achieve that we cannot.
Thanks
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one thing I recall discussing
is custom nutritional supplements for each athlete.
I’d also point out that the minimum donation amount to become a gator booster appears to be 1500 bucks (with lower amounts if you have been a booster for a while).
The minimum at fsu is 60 bucks.
There is a massive money gap.
And UF has a waiting list for season tickets...
and I want to say there is a minimum amount you have to donate before you can even get season tickets…
Huge, huge support staff
Technology advantages and, as FSUn has said, the ability to throw money at a problem to fix it. They are also able to retain assistants because they’re able to pay them top dollar.
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Isn't Notre Dame one of the most valuable programs?
A lot of good that $$$ is doing them now.
I would argue that it’s not just how much money you have or spend on football, but where and how you spend that money. UF has done a much better job of managing its resources than FSU.
Although notably more $$$ gives you a larger margin for error.
by FSUjab on Dec 4, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was under the impression that was a myth.
I’d read somewhere that the talk of Notre Dame’s admission standards is pre-Holtz. Since Holtz, they routinely admit players with SATs 300 points below a typical ND admission and over a grade point below in GPA.
by Drew J Jones on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not from what I have read
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1916173,notre-dame-coach-02.article
Although I did hear that they were going to offer Urban more “academic exceptions” than they ever had before for him to come to ND.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Damn, replied at the wrong place:
…this strikes me as the Sun Times simply pushing the myth. Here’s another source — http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/2.2756/busting-the-admissions-standards-myth-1.270725 — saying quite the opposite.
I'm going to compare the 2 add'l ND considerations to UF - since that is ultimately who the original poster is talking about
Admission standards – UF is allegedly the “Harvard of the South.” So, wouldn’t it follow that their admission standards are higher as well?
Location – Have you been to Gainesville lately? Yes, they’re only a couple hours from the beach but that place is a sh$thole. ND has the Great Lakes (20 min) and Chicago (1 hour).
Admission standards for football players =/= admission standards for regular students
UF gets players in like every other school in the SEC. It isn’t a problem. By location I was referring to the talent around that location. Notre Dame has nothing. UF has everything when it comes to talent.
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not to mention...
has anyone seen the SEC commercial that has each school as a road sign travelling down the road. On each sign is some great accomplishment the school has done. Saving Children’s lives, curing cancer, inventing microchips, etc (these aren’t exact)…
UF’s great accomplishent: Invented Gatorade. Yes Folks, the Harvard of the Souths great accomplishment is inventing a lightly flavored water with some electrolytes/minerals.
Not true...
UF released a press release about it after ABC ran a “Did you Know” about it a while back (I just looked this up). Sounds like a prank to me, and if you google this it doesn’t show up anywhere. It really sounds like an unsubstantiated rumor that one of us (FSU fans) made up to fuck with Gators.
Ok, here's the story. AMFKNole is pretty close.
For years we (FSU) used to insist that Seminole Firewater was invented by a trainer with FSU. We used the product for years to combat dehydration but never got a patent on it. Then the Gators got a sample of our Firewater and broke down the formula, and then Patented it under the name of Gatorade. This was confirmed by the website History of Branding at
http://www.historyofbranding.com/gatorade.html
When you visited this site it gave a detailed explanation similar to the one I just told you about how the Turds stole it from the Noles. It was pretty convincing.
I tortured my brother in law and niece, who are Turds, for years and even had them and other Turd friends believing it.
Unfortunately it’s all bullsh*t. The Turds really did invent it. It was even debunked by Snopes.com. If you go to their site and search Gatorade you will probably find it.
When I read this thread I went to the history of branding link above and it looks like it has been shut down. I hadn’t visited it in about a year, so I don’t know how long or why it was taken down. But it was pretty awesome and professional looking and it was really a fun way of, as AMFK puts it, “f*cking with the Turds.”
I had at least 10 Gaturds convinced, and some still are, that it was a Seminole invention. Of course they would counter that we were idiots for not getting the patent, but it was a fun way to get under their skins. It is too bad the link is gone.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Well played, Sir.
After reading that, I think I’m going to go take a scalding hot shower, ball up in the corner of the shower stall and cry while I try to wash away the shame.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Naw.
I’m not slurping down anything called Seminole fluid.
On the other point, it truly was FSU that invented the juice circa 1960. It’s the Gayturds who are f***ing with you to try to rewrite history. There wasn’t any point in FSU challenging the patent b/c they are both state schools. A patent challenge would not have given anyone IP rights in the stuff as the juice was merely a trade secret before the ‘Turds patented it. FSU would not have gotten a patent after a challenge to UF’s rights because the formula would have been in the public domain.
So?
That article doesn’t discuss the news reports of what FSU was using in 1962. http://content.usatoday.com/topics/post/Organizations/Schools/Florida+State/59514736.blog/1
It’s almost like who invented the radio? History books will tell you Marconi because he was the first to patent it. Physicists will tell you Tesla. As the USA today article says, “history is written by the winners”
Also
the two sources for the snopes article are:
1. a book authored by a couple of UF people
2. Pepsico who bought the IP rights and would not be wiling to admit the patent was invalid b/c it was invented at FSU.
I will not try to change your opinion, so I will just agree with the Turds retort that if FSU really did invent it, we were pretty stupid for not obtaining a patent. It will never be proven otherwise.
But don’t let that stop you from f*cking with the Gaturds. The truth hasn’t stopped me.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
As long as the answer to the Aflac trivia question remains FSU
I’m fine with agreeing to disagree. The Turds will never change the Goose or Duck or whatever the hell that bird is. It’s just funny.
That's true, but ND has always been known to recruit nationally
& UF shares its talent bed with FSU, UM, and now USF. Who does ND legitimately compete with in that immediate area? Purdue? Navy? Please…
but the argument is that they don't still have the clout to recruit
nationally like they once did. NBC deal doesn’t mean much, since most teams are on TV every week.
Well, clearly this has moved from general location to recruiting beds
but the point remains that ND has a ton of $$$ and its regional rivals Penn State, Ohio State and Pitt (according to Drew J) seem to be doing ok… actually, even Navy is doing pretty well recently.
Navy is in MD.
Any they don’t waiver too much on physical or academic ability. They are all about military qualifications first.
Yes, USF, UM, and UF recruit Fla. USF is fairly new to the scene but with the population growth in Fla., there is enough talent to spread around and to send out of state to other schools in the ACC, SEC, and around the country.
ND has enough money to recruit the entire counrty. People love them because they are the Fighting Irish and everyboy has a little Irish in them. It’s also big for Catholics. They currently have a better recruiting class this year than they did last year—even with Weis leaving and their dismal record. Rivals has them at #12 as far as this year’s recruiting class goes. They, like FSU, are still getting talent. With a better record and some coaching, they could get better talent and compete with UF. ND has the cash.
...adding:
I don’t think UF is the Harvard of the South. Duke, Vanderbilt, Emory, UVa, UNC, Wake Forest, William & Mary, and GaTech all seem to be well ahead in the US News rankings.
It’s roughly on par with with Penn State and Texas.
Hence "allegedly" the HOTS
Trust me, I know too many idiots that went to UF to be fooled by that propaganda.
Plenty of idiots at the others, too.
I’ve worked with enough of the “Southern Ivy League” alums to know going to UNC doesn’t mean a guy isn’t dumber than a box of rocks.
Sure, Duke isn’t nearly as white trash as UF, but then who is?
Anything that is described with the qualifier "of the South" should be mocked and ridiculed without mercy.
This is a universal truth and cannot be questioned.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
But again...
…this strikes me as the Sun Times simply pushing the myth. [Here’s another source http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/2.2756/busting-the-admissions-standards-myth-1.270725] saying quite the opposite.
A friend of mine just became the assistant controller for the 'Skins. Maybe in a year or so I can better answer your question.
We may not be able to outspend FU now, but we can start to win almost all games except UF, allowing us to catch up in the money department.
I think we can beat UF without spending more than them though, just not compete on a sustainable basis.
"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"
We can - and must - compete with UF on a sustainable basis.
We must get away from this “all games except UF” mentality we’ve nurtured on this site. We had a big hand in making the University of Florida what it is right now. They will no longer be getting that help. Florida will not be winning the next ten national championships. They look unbeatable right now. Well, they’ve been handed any recruit they’ve wanted for the last four years, and that won’t be happening anymore. Florida State is not destitute. We certainly won’t be. And no, I’m not naive, and yes, I’m simplifying this discussion a bit. But the “everything but UF” goal is garbage, uninspiring, and a feat well short of what our program is capable of.
by TRMNole on Dec 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
To my defense: That was using the assumption we can't beat UF without spending as much as them
and then also asuming we won’t be able to raise enough money to compete with UF until we start winning.
my statement below that was contradictory but stated what I believed without using the rational that we need to spend as much, and therefore have as much, as them to win.
"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"
Totally agree! The monetary difference is something that maybe we can’t overcome, but that didn’t keep us from being THE premiere program in the country in the 90’s. So lets not start making excuses now, it won’t do a damn thing to help us on the field. I refuse to concede anything to UF, now or ever!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
How unbeatable will they look next year
without the likes of Harvin, Tebow and Spikes… things can change drastically for any team from one year to the next. See Stanford and/or USC
Next year in 2010
USC will not be a legitimate championship threat in my opinion. And how long has it beem since you’ve been able to say that? Things do indeed change in a hurry. There has been two “dynasty” make or break championship games this decade (Miami/Ohio St. and USC/Texas). Both times the program with a chance to cement a permanent mark in CFB history lost. So dominance is not only never guaranteed, it’s often very short lived. Meyer and Charlie Strong couldn’t have accomplished all of what they have without our mistakes.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 4, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would imagine: better facilities, better & larger staff.
I wish I knew how much each top program really has, what they spend, etc. There has to be an amount where it doesn’t make much difference anymore.
"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"
luckily, our facilities are wrapped up in a nice brick package. Looks as good as any in the country.
The first time I saw Doak in person was in '96 and it blew my mind.
The first time I saw BHG was the following year and I mistook it for a parking garage.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
UF has the money pooring in for NOW...
we’ll see how things look like in a couple of years, is it really sustainable when they start loosing a few games? Custom nutritional supplements is total bs, it’s all about genetics, imo.
This not competing due to money thing is garbage
Did UF not have more money back in the 90’s? Nothing’s really changed except for our coaches got worse, which effected our recruiting, which made our coaches deficiencies show even more, which effected recruiting, which hurt Booster memberships/donations, which killed season ticket purchases and so on and so forth.
UF spends close to double what we spend on athletics RIGHT NOW and how many nationally ranked programs do we have? Mmm, try all of them except football.
Yes and No
You can’t deny things are different now than in the 90s. DId they even have sports psychology back then? Conditioning and Sports Medicine have come a long way since then too. That is just off the top of my head, I am sure there are things I wouldn’t know about that money brings to elite programs.
I do agree we can compete without spending the same amount of money because there is so much talent in the state. The fact that we can still pull guys like Luc and DJJ shows we can load up on talent. With quality coaching we will be able to beat anyone. And that isn’t even bringing up the fact that some kids who every one wants won’t pan out, while a sleeper will become a star. What if the next Ed Reed (a former 3 star iirc) fall in out lap? What if the next UF QB turns out to be the second coming of Rex Grossman?
by osceolafan850 on Dec 5, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a great series of articles from a couple of years back about UT's (Texas) athletic spending.
UT Spending – Austin American-Statesman
It’s a long, but very good read. I recommend it for anyone who wants to know more about what spending more money will get you.
Start with ‘The Longhorn Economy’ and continue with the rest of the articles on the page. You’ll probably have to sign up to access the site if you go past the first article, but it’s free.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
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