My Letter to the FSU Athletic Department: Schedules
Let me start off by saying that this is my first post on TN, so if it is full of glitches and what not, please forgive me. I am DutchFSU on the web, but also an avid Seminole alum and supporter in life. Hopefully I will be able to contribute to this community of 'Noles.
Recently I wrote a rather lengthy email. I did it mostly out of angst that I feel towards the other athletic departments around the nation. More specifically, though, would be the two that I love to hate. Florida and Notre Dame. As we 'Noles know, the Gators aren't exactly the scheduling stalwarts that we are. But I wasn't wholly aware of the fact that there is actually a fairly well known "format" used to describe what Florida does. It is known simply as "The 7-4-1." Seven home games, four away games, and one neutral site game. Annually. Florida has used it with great success in recent years. (Every season since 2006.) Now Notre Dame is going to start. Or so I hear.
Most of us may recall when, back in 2006, Florida State actually hosted an eight game home slate. That was a singular incident, however, We hosted seven teams in one season since (08) with five and one neutral in 2007 and an even six this season. Plus, anyone who thinks they are anyone (ESPN) usually ranks us as a number one BCS out-of-conference stregnth of schedule type of team. So its not like we shy away from stiff competition. But Florida does, and they haven't suffered for it like we have. In my opinion, anyway.
And whats worse is that Florida does it by scheduling the likes of FIU... IN NOVEMBER! They also beefed up their home game cash cow with pre-season games against Charleston Southern and Troy. But I am particularly irked by FIU. IN NOVEMBER.
Now Notre Dame, with their incredibly flexible schedule, is trying to accomplish the same feat. Simply put, its for the money and the help from the home crowds, folks. And Florida State could use a little bit of both if we want our new coach to have a greater chance of success. Again, in my opinion. So I say that, as much as us Seminoles will hate doing so, we need to adopt "The 7-4-1" and make it our very own. Or at least a 7-5 annually. But I would prefer the split revenue of the 7-4-1. (And so would the other BCS team we would likely schedule for it.) And to help beef up the home game profits, we may need to start scheduling some cream puffs. At least for now, while we're still rebuilding. I mean, come on... Florida did it as defending champs! What do we have to lose?
So I wrote a letter to the athletic department at Florida State. The entire athletic department. It went something like this: (NOTE: This letter was typed last week, prior to the conference title games and such. And please pardon the typos and spelling errors. I do most of my typing at 3 a.m, apparently.)
To Whom It May Concern-
I am sending this message to a variety of individuals simply because I am not sure who is responsible for scheduling Seminole athletic events. But of this much I am sure... It is either one of you to whom this message has been sent, or it is someone who reports to you. I ask only that you entertain one small suggestion that I have in regards to FSU's football schedule in 2010 and in seasons to come, and possibly acknowledge with a small reply.
There has been an unsettling trend in college football the last few years. Many fans of the sport were not necessarily fans of the selection process for a national champion, and this eventually led us into the equally unsatisfying Bowl Championship Series. But this, too, is a process many see as flawed simply because so much weight is based on opinionated rankings and win-loss records. As a result, college football powerhouses have more or less always filled their schedules with "cupcake" teams. But now something else is happening. BCS powerhouse teams like Florida, Alabama, and others are now starting to schedule "cupcake" home games and "bye" weeks in November. Late November. I suppose the logic here is that there is too much at stake when playing in Rivalry Weekend to get caught looking ahead the week before and lose to, say, Maryland. Well, you know what? They might be correct. Maybe they're not right, per se. But maybe they are correct.
In case you haven't noticed, the University of Florida football program hasn't played a conference game the week before Rivalry Weekend since 2004. And going back to 2002, they have only played one season with any game against a SEC team scheduled the week prior to Florida State (2004). Since 2005 and the Urban Meyer era Florida must have decided they needed they "bye" week more for conference play, and the Gators have instead scheduled out-of-conference (henceforth "OOC") home games against the likes of Western Carolina, Florida Atlantic, The Citadel, and Florida International, in that order. FAU managed to keep the game within five touchdowns, which was the smallest spread against this field of teams. And you know what? They aren't alone.
Of the current top ten schools in this week's BCS standings, four BCS schools (including Florida) either scheduled non-BCS OOC games, or had no games scheduled at all. (Non-BCS schools like TCU or Boise Statewill not be considered for the sake of this discussion.) Number two Alabama steamrolled over Chattanooga this season, had a bye week in 2008, and eeked out a win against Louisiana-Monroe in 2007. I'm not sure if number five Cincinnati considers Illinois to be a "rival," but they had the week of the 21st off. Georgia Tech even took the week off for the first time since 2002, but it apparently didn't turn out so well for them as they were perhaps "looking ahead" to Clemson.
Rounding out the BCS top 25, number 16 Oregon State has no issues taking the week off before playing Oregon. They did so this season as well as in 2007. Number 18 Southern Cal had the week off prior to thumping UCLA this year and in 2005. Number 20 Oklahoma State took a Thursday night game against Colorado to give them a long week to prep for Oklahoma. Apparently that didn't work out too well for them, either. But they took the week prior off in 2008. And I can assume that number 22 Nebraska has a thing against Colorado, because with 2009 being the exception, they haven't played anyone the week prior since at least 2001. Please keep in mind that these are just the BCS teams with established "Rivalry Weekend" series games that are currently listed in the BCS top 25. And I have named eight BCS schools so far. That is roughly one third of the BCS top 25, non-BCS schools included.
I have already discussed Florida's scheduling as well as Alabama's. Bama's rival Auburn is worse than the Tide, with a bye every season since 2007. South Carolina had two weeks to prepare for Clemson this season as well as in 2007 and 2008. And Georgia has some kind of even-year rotation with a "bye" the week prior to Georgia Tech in 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2008. Yet no one questions the superiority of the SEC in football, even when these huge games are routinely played on two weeks of preparation.
In conclusion, I would argue that public perception of "strength of schedule" is not quite as vital to the critical perception of a football program as it once was. I would argue that a 12-0 team with Florida's schedule would go farther than a 11-1 team with Florida State's schedule. I would argue that television contracts and big money deals are more easily dealt to teams with winning records and a huge following, no matter who they play each week. And I would argue that young recruits want to play for these successful programs more than they might wish to play for a program with a strong schedule but several losses. And right now, with the gaps in FSU's recruiting, that is not a shortcoming that we can afford. This program has to act now while there is still a glimmer of "reputation" left to it. Which is why I find myself proposing the unthinkable.
"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
Perhaps its time that we evaluate how we structure our schedule. We don't need to run out and schedule the Southern Louisiana VoTech and Hairstylist Academy for Homecoming weekend, but perhaps a decent FBS team wouldn't be a horrible idea to consider for the week before Miami with a "bye" the third week in November. The Gators are obviously not going to stop scheduling like this. They've been doing it for years, right alongside other BCS powerhouse teams. And it hasn't hurt them at all.
So I submit to you... Why don't we?
Thank you very much for your consideration and your reply.
So far I have heard back from Gary Huff. But I have yet to hear who is in charge of creating the schedule or get any further input. So I submit my rant to you folks. If you agree, I ask that you consider submitting similar requests to the athletic department so we can get some change started. With that, I await your comments.
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I wrote extensively on this over the summer and after the USF game. I will try to find the links.
Welcome, this is a nice post!
We need to eliminate all tough OOC games other than UF
Let’s say the ACC never expanded or another team joined that wasn’t UM. If it were on the table, would you drop UM from the schedule (at least scheduling them every single year)?
by lul on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
So scheduling UF is only enough now because the conference schedule is now stronger…
by lul on Dec 7, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Also, don’t forget that a game has been added to the CFB season. There’s no reason now NOT to schedule at least a couple of cupcakes every year.
It just seems to me that playing both UF and UM is every single year is a disadvantage. FSU is the only school that you can easily compare to the other programs. I think UF and UM benefit from an ambiguous position.
Permanant Atlantic Opponent
Miami is FSU’s permanant opponent from the other division.
Do you think UF would fans would rather play Miss St every year instead of LSU? Sure, it would be better for them and for us if we changed to Duke but it is what it is.
OOC though, we need to get real. The system has proven that you can win your BCS conference, beat UF and go to Nat Champ game (nearly) every year.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 7, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'd have to say
No, I wouldnt drop UM for a couple reasons.
1) The UM/FSU game is still a major rivalry game which (with the exception of the last few years) carries a lot of weight for both programs. I’ve always enjoyed the UM/FSU rivalry.
2) Considering the ACC did expand and picked up UM, the ACC needs these two teams playing each other annually.
It is a good TV draw. Beyond that let’s not get too full of ourselves. How much do you care about other supposed great rivalries? Those fans all probably think similarly highly of their games. I don’t care much about them or watch them unless there’s a chance FSU was title bound and one of those teams was title bound too.
UF is the true rival. Not playing UM every year wouldn’t bother me. Imagine if UM and UF were complete garbage every year. I would still care about playing UF since they are more similar to FSU. They are nearby, public, and we would still compete with them academically.
No way
UM vs FSU is too good of a game every year (not counting 2001) for it not to be on TV. I think the real question here is why is UF so afraid to play Miami every year? They should man up and bring back their rivalry too. The 3 big programs in the State should all have to play each other, for now at least UF could take that as a Cupcake game too.
I don't know about that.
Miami had Florida on their heels for the first three quarters of football last season. The final score doesn’t reflect that, sadly. But it was a nine point game if I remember correctly. And that was with Saint Tebow at the helm in their NC season.
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
Do NOT drop Miami.
Thats all that should have to be said. We need to be strong in the state of Florida. Sound defeats of Florida and Miami (maybe even USF) every year will keep us in the front of the recruiting pack.
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
I won't lie, I didn't read any of that
but I voted in your poll.
I hate how UF gets FAIU the week before us but we always play an ACC game. Don’t bring in a Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise type, but the remaining 3 ooc games other than UF should be WAC, MWC, SunBelt or CUSA teams. Oh, don’t forget the MAC.
Every few years we’d have 8 home games, schedule a game with FAIU and have it in Orlando or Tampa. I don’t know if people would travel to Tally 3 straight weekends if one of those games were a scrub. Maybe if we’re winning they would. I don’t know. Just don’t do it in Jacksonville.
Thanks...?
I didn’t think it was a bad read… But hey, I wrote it.
IMO, I think we could easily go to a 7-4-1 and keep Miami, Florida, and for the short term, an emerging USF on our schedule every year. Home-and-away with Miami and Florida, and we can do our neutral site game with USF or another BCS team in Orlando every year. (I’m sure they’d love it.) And with Florida and a neutral BCS on our schedule every year, we have room for two non-BCS conf teams. It could work…
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
There is no reason and absolutely no benefit for us to play USF.
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No?
1. It would be a noncon BCS game, which would look better than South Central Louisiana VoTech and Hairstylist Academy.
2. If we develop a solid win record over a S. Fla team, it would benefit recruiting. Even if its not a team named Miami. (Yes, I know they’re in Tampa.)
3. A neutral site game against USF in a neutral stadium in Orlando or Jax (probably Orlando) could very well sell out and generate good publicity, recruits could attend, and we’d still get a good cut of the revenues.
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
Beating a South Central Louisiana VoTech and Hairstylist Academy looks 10 times better than losing regardless of the opponent.
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It is just another stumbling block preventing us from 10 and 11 win seasons
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It's another game we have to prepare for and think about
There’s no reason not the schedule a free win. We’ll get all the pub we need IMO
USF needs the game far more than we do
With UF as our OOC opponent, there is no reason to schedule USF. If our season is successful then we should be playing another quality opponent in the ACC championship, possibly a rematch with Miami. With the strength of the ACC, UF, and a conference championship, our SOS and reputation would get us in the discussion for the BCS title game should we be undefeated.
If we did not play in a conference with a championship game, there might be some need for an additional quality opponent like USF. USF needs to worry about winning it’s own conference and can set up an annual rivalry with Miami if it wants to play another Florida team.
you could argue that its a pointless game
but playing USF in orlando or jax still sounds like fun to me, and i think itd be cool to play all the “major” Florida teams, but it would eventually turn into another major hurdle in our season schedule
This is a terrible idea and FSU should never have scheduled USF in the first place.
We are now 0-1 against a roughly 10 year old program with no nat’l championships and no conference championships.
Notably, USF has dropped UCF from their schedule, despite the two schools being rivals in location, program age and talent level. Instead USF has now scheduled UM, FSU and UF. Why do you think that is? They are pushing their names into the conversation for a “big 4.” USF is smart. If the Big 3 had any brains they would likewise snub USF and play the other crappy teams in the state (there are plenty of them) that aren’t legitimately vying for their recruits, $$$, etc.
Also, they play against the traditional patsies of the Big Least. Mind you, the Big East has become much more competitive in the last 2 years, which I believe is the result of having an automatic BCS bowl berth and no championship game.
I'm fine with UF every year, but I don't want 2 out of 4 OOC games to be permanent opponents
Playing USF every once in a while is fine, like we do UCF every so often, but every year, no thanks. I want the other 3 OOC games to be flexible and have some variety of teams in that regard, also the flexibility to play 3 patsies if need be.
I agree with this for the most part.
However, I would also point out that we haven’t exactly crushed our cream-puff opponents of late. I would hate to replace Maryland with an FIU and then get beat by an FIU b/c we’re looking ahead to UF.
Also, another consideration that I think has been missed is this: yes, recruits want to compete with the likes of UF and UM, but they also want to WIN and they want to play teams they can blow out. Blowout games pad stats (see Tim Tebow). Blowouts are generally fun. Blowouts give 2nd teamers and scrubs a chance for playing time. Garbage playing time builds overall team morale. The ACC used to be full of blowout games. Not so much any more.
Well written Dutch ...
this is a subject that is unsettling for me. Although I see how it’s correct to give yourself an easier road, it doesn’t sit well with me from an emotional standpoint. I guess my pride is at fault because I can always say we played a tougher schedule so we demand more respect. You’re right, this doesn’t buy us anything. Nice job on the email and hopefully you’ll get some response.
great first post Dutch, now here goes mine
While your right in sayin a tougher schedule doesn’t buy us anything, I think abandoning it in favor of attempting to “rest for rivalry” or have an easier home schedule is a mistake. In order for us to maintain (I guess more objectively put, reclaim) national prominence, we cannot abandon the “Road Warrior” mentality that Bowden used to get us to the level we were at in the ’90s. If we want to get back to that level, we cannot shy away from a tough non-conference schedule ..if we play and win with these kind of schedules I believe recognition will come with it and we will be a better team for it. Play any team, anywhere, and come out with a “W”…thats Florida State
"mindset? UNCONQUERED"
"Grab the gills and pull...its sushi grade"
Actually
that mentality isn’t getting anyone anywhere now. We do not have to prove anything, we are Florida State. The cumulative attrition of our asinine schedule continually demonstrates that.
The road warrior not only isn’t needed but it should be eliminated.
Notice a trend here
SOS of schedule is Irrelevant

Play any team, anywhere, and come out with a "W"…thats Florida State
That Bobby Bowden mentality will keep FSU stuck in mediocrity forever.
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Geez, only Bama in the top 50 toughest schedules and they aren't even in the top 25
That’s a very telling table… Can someone please e-mail that to whoever is in charge of scheduling at FSU?
Wins
Exactly. Its tough enough to win all the games you have to play on your schedule (ask Bama against Tenn, UF against Ark, Texas against Neb). Why make it any harder on the team to get victories when all you have to do is win your conference, beat UF and you will make the Nat Champ game (nearly) every year?!
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 7, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
the key there is come out with a "W"
If you have a loss these days, you probably aren’t playing for the NC. It would be hard for even a one loss SEC team to be chosen over the ACC champion with no losses. The only arguments for taking a one loss team are when the undefeated team doesn’t come from a BCS conference.
My only problem with this is that if we go undefeated in the ACC
and a SEC and a BIG 12 or BIG 10 also go undefeated, the way the ACC is perceived now days we will always get jumped by the SEC and BIG 12 / BIG 10 for NC games. Granted we have a long way to go to start looking at NCs again but like someone said above I also let my pride get in the way and love seeing that we are not afraid to play tough OOC games. Makes sense to have cup cake games to get Ws and since all the Heavyweights do it we should too. Just feels cheap to me, and I have been making fun of UF’s cup cake schedule to all my UF friends for years.
It won't feel cheap when you see them holding up that crystal football
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verry true
I do agree that’s the best way to go about getting to the NCG but we are not at that level anymore. We need a couple wins over big time programs to get some respect back. And OU should have a down year next year as well as UF for that matter. We have everyone who is anyone on our team coming back, all we need is to sure up some more talent on the defense in this new class and get a good DC to teach the talent thats already here how to play defense. Put that with our offense and we can shock some people and show get people talking about us again. When we have established ourselves as contenders again then we can soften up the schedule completely and start chasing NCs again.
You have to remember
that schedules are done 5-6 years in advance. I’m in the camp of once we’re done playing WVU in 2014 that we should go with a cupcake schedule. Playing UF and Miami and Clemson each year should be enough..
most of you are missing the point
It has nothing to do with road warrior mentality or garnering respect. If you want to play for a NC you have to schedule 3 gimmees OOC to have a chance. And you space them out so that you reduce injuries, get rest and, yes, game plan for your big games. You don’t think Saban (not that he’d ever admit it) was studying UF the week they played Chattanooga before AU. Saban & Meyer both schedule creampuffs late to get ready for their rivalry game, conference championship, and NC games. That’s why they win NCs.
Good point
Saban and Meyer have that advantage because they are in the SEC. Until programs like FSU, UM, and VT compete nationally on a consistent basis and the other teams in our conference do not have let downs against OCC opponents (like last year’s bowl games, Clemson gettin spanked by the Cocks, FSU getting blown out by UF and losing to USF), we do not have the same luxury.
I suppose your points should also be made to OU, BYU, USF, WVU, and the other teams who choose to schedule the Noles. It takes two to tango. But those teams are in a more similar position to FSU in that the WAC and Big East are viewed more on par with the ACC than the SEC. Thus, I would think that they have the same motivations as we do.
I think we do have the same luxury...
an Undefeated FSU would get the nod the MNC imo. The benefit of playing UF at the end of the year. Our championships always go through them.
Agree, going undefeated with a win over UF to the end the season puts us in a title game
Not to mention beating a decent team in the ACC champ game a week later, run that gauntlet and we’re in the dance, regardless of those other 3 OOC games.
I hate to disagree, but.....
7 or 8 home games a year, laced with the FIU’s of the world? Have you looked at a map and seen where Tallahassee is? A UF fan can wash his car in the morning, go to the game and still get home in time for a late supper. Plus, they have a waiting list for the chance to watch these meaningless games. As a fan (and I would think it would be the same for a player) I would much rather see a riveting intersectional tilt. I attended all 5 NC games and I’m not sure that any of them would crack my all time top 5. Notre Dame in "93, even though we lost, I’d do it again 1000 times (and pay$$$$ every time), games like this are what make the college game so much better than the pros; Michigan in "91,(drove 2000 miles over 4 days with 4 whining kids in the back seat) , I’d do
it again every week of the year to see the the shock on the faces of Bo (I never thought I’d see the day…..) and 100,000 Wolverines. I wasn’t at Nebraska, but I vaguely remember (lack of sobriety, not the years) how much FUN it was to shut Tennessee street down. You don’t get these experiences by playing UT-C. I’m thrilled OU is coming to Doak. What we have earned over the years, is not having to travel to Lincoln or Baton Rouge or Ann Arbor without a reciprocal home date. That other power that wears red and yellow seems to have done pretty well over the last decade, even though they schedule good teams out of conference (although we did make them cry like babies and declare that they would never come to Tally again). Uncensored doesn’t think we’ll win another mythical title. I say “Big Deal”. I hate to sound like your mother boys, but look out the window and enjoy the ride. You really will enjoy the journey far more than the destination!!
So you are willing to keep going 7-5 or 8-4 as long has you have a good time and get drunk at the game?
You are in the small minority my friend.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I'm drinking with her
Hell if we drink enough, we won’t care whether it is USF or UCF or FU or FIU or FAU. Cheers! clink Now where’s that Seminole Firewater..?
Somehwat
I don’t think being able to have a good time and get drunk at the game is necessarily dependent upon the W-L record though. While you’re drunk, you really don’t care who we’re playin’. You can still have a good time. Hell, I can get drunk and have a good time even during the off-season.
I think Journey’s main point is that she enjoys travelling to see the games and wants to watch competitive games, get drunk, whoop and holler, and have a good time. Doesn’t make much sense to spend the dough and travel to the panhandle to see a 62-3 slaughter of FSU over Hellen Keller School for the Blind.
My point is that as long as you’re gettin drunk, it shouldn’t matter who we’re playing. (The more I drink the better the other team looks.) I’ll take the wins and the bourbon.
Another part of the deal is fans selfishly wanting to see more games. It’s unlikely we get to see a 62-3 slaughter of FSU over Hellen Keller School for the Blind on TV. But if we have an 8-4 record, we will see FSU play BYU, OU, WVU, AFA, and other schools on cable. Since we will go to a bowl every year we have a .500 or better record, the fans will get to see FSU play more games if we take the tougher SOS. On the other hand, if we want a MNC, we should play the same high schools that UF plays for its OOC games.
Part of my thinking on the OOC is that the pollsters will treat an ACC team mor like a Big East team than a Big 12 team, absent some significant diff. in SOS. So even if we went unefeated, we would be in Cinci’s shoes rather than Texas’s shoes.
Perhaps FSU and Miami are unique in the ACC due to their past glory, and FSU esp. unique due to Jimbo being a former SEC coach. I also recall Bama playing us about 3 yrs ago in Jax in a OCC game. If we had played pattycakes all year, we still would have been only 7-5 as opposed to 6-6, assuming we would not have had any more Jax St. scares. I know-there’s also arguments about having a week off, essentially, every now and then which can make a difference before playing a tough conf. opp. and it gives the backups some PT.
She can get drunk at the FSU vs Southern Charleston game and pretend we are playing against Alabama. Doesn't sound like she would really know the difference anyway due to her inebriation.
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I disagree
Part of my thinking on the OOC is that the pollsters will treat an ACC team mor like a Big East team than a Big 12 team
The Big East and whatever conferences TCU and BSU do not have the same level of competition as the ACC. Plus the one thing that we have that Cinci, TCU and Boise don’t is a conference championship game. Making it through that undefeated puts an ACC team in the likes of a SEC or Big 12 undefeated team.
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The polls also have to do with marketing
Which is why I said FSU might be an exception to the rule. The media would salivate over Fisher – Saban matchup since it’s a student-teacher type thing. FSU also has a history that Cincy, TCU, and Boise do not. The ACC’s OOC record against decent teams isn’t that great, so I don’t know that the ACC gets much more respect than the Big Easy conference even with the CG.
An addendum.
The plight over how legit the ACC is compared to other BCS conferences doesn’t apply to us when aspiring for a NC game because we play Florida every year. Undefeated, playing a championship game and one of the SEC’s best? We’re in. Rest of the conference might get Big Easted, but FSU won’t.
An undefeated team in the other division would more than likely make it to the big dance IMO
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UF isn't exactly in a thriving metropolitan area either.
I would think Tally actually has a lot more going for it than Gunsville…
Hell no, I want teams to be afraid to come to Doak. I want them to fear the spear. Playing in the ACC makes that harder. If we had a legitimate conference title game to aspire to , playing more cupcakes would make sense. Why play Miami when it isn’t for all the marbles? We aren’t the same as UF (thank god) and I for one don’t want to emulate them.
Time and distance. Hogtown is only a couple hours from Tampa, Orlando and Jax.
What?
FIU, Samford and Hellen Keller School for the blind will be scared to come to Doak, teams like Oklahoma, WVU and BYU will not be because they have won on the road before and that environment does that effect them in the way you think it does.
The ACC conference game will be just as legitimate at the SEC when we go into it with 0 or 1 losses but that will never happen under your archaic idea of playing the toughest schedule possible.
It is a VERY simple concept to grasp. Schedule EASY go to MNC game, Schedule HARD go to Emerald Nut Bowl.
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Dutch, Welcome to TN and good job with your first post. We have talked about this subject before, but I always wondered why we do not take a page out the Turds book and schedule a breather before playing UF.
Let’s take a look at who they play the week before the FSU game since 2002.
2009-the week before playing FSU, they played FIU.
2008-the week before playing FSU, they played The Citadel
2007-the week before playing FSU, they played FAU
2006-the week before playing FSU, they played Western Carolina
2005-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
2004-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
2003-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
2002-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
This gives your team a chance to get healthy before the huge in-state rivalry game, and the conference championship game the following week, hopefully.
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And the cupcake in November has not seemed to hurt them in the eyes of the pollsters, now has it?
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Exactly
See my post above. Win your BCS conference, beat UF (which should normally be top 15-20 team) and you will be in the MNC game (almost) every year.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
To further Frank's point
With the expection of 2008 it seems we are in a dogfight the week before the most important game of the year
2009-the week before playing UF, we played Maryland – WIN 29-26
2008-the week before playing UF, we played Maryland – WIN 37-3
2007-the week before playing UF, we played – Maryland – WIN 24-16
2006-the week before playing UF, we played Western Michigan – WIN 28-20
2005-the week before playing UF, we played Clemson – LOSS 35 -14
2004-the week before playing UF, we played NCST – WIN 17-10
2003-the week before playing UF, we played NCST – WIN 50-44
2002-the week before playing UF, we played NCST – LOSS 17-7
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Not sure
But you can bet their starters will be sitting the bench the majority of the 2nd half resting up for the following week while we will no doubt be playing a divisional conference game.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
..but remember what App St did to Michigan?
granted Michgan has been in a decline, but still….i can dream…
Weaker schedules are a two edged sword
I agree that FSU could stand to take their scheduling back a notch. However, if we do end up doing that, I’d like to see FSU fans keep that decision in mind down the road. We are not contending for national titles right now, but if we somehow did down the line our schedule could be a key factor.
We would have no room to complain if we eliminated games like Alabama, BYU, Oklahoma, and West Virginia from our schedule and then lost out to a team from a superior conference or with a superior out of conference schedule.
With that in mind, I think it is worth pointing out that schools from Florida have rarely found themselves “screwed” by the voters or the BCS. In fact, FSU, Florida, and Miami have all gotten the benefit of the doubt on the way to national titles in the past. Really the only year that you can say a Florida team got screwed as 2000, and in that season Miami was left out in favor of another team from Florida.
So I think less optimistic schedules are a good idea, and we may be able to skate by with them, but we should not be surprised if they come back to bite us.
There was a good TN post on this in the preseason
Shortly after we heard that USF had been added. I think it was written by FSUn, but I can’t remember. Either way, it was in the same vein as this post.
Start with a cupcake, then play a mid-major/lower level major (Iowa St, Indiana, Washington St…something like that. Schedule some home and homes with some historically weak programs), then start ACC play. Schedule either the open week or other cupcake before the Gator game.
And move the GD Miami game back to the first week in October.
I don’t see what’s so hard about this.
Big 10
The Big 10 has been scheduling similar to this for years. I grew up in PA and Penn St. consistantly has either 8 home 4 away or 7 home 5 away if they decide to schedule a home & home with a decent team. I agree we should schedule similar until we get the program back on track.
Vegas...
Even when we’re back on track (top 10 preseason) there is no need to schedule ANYONE that has the remote opportunity to beat us, especially in-state schools.
Even while we’ve sucked the past few years, every team except for UF brings their best effort against us bc it apparently still means something to beat FSU (why the hell is Clemson, a 10 point favorite, storming the field after beating us?!)
We do not need to increase risk factor for OOC games.
If we are top 10, we can play cupcakes, win ACC, beat UF and end up in MNC game every (other) year. BOOK IT.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 8, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Another thought
Winning – regardless of the opponent – builds confidence in a team. When an undefeated team steps on the field, they think “we’re undefeated.” They don’t think “we’re undefeated, but some of those wins are against some crappy teams.” A team that is used to winning, knows how to win, is going to act and play like a winner.
For clarification...
Just to straighten out my point here…
I don’t think that FSU needs to cupcake it up all year. I do agree that doing so will make things a lot easier for us and might not hurt with recruiting, but I think that we need at least one OOC BCS game every season that is NOT Florida.
I was thinking that this would be a good occasion for the 1 in the 7-4-1 format. A BCS OOC neutral site game against decent-at-best BCS teams (Colorado, Miss St, etc) would prevent others from using the “three cupcake” argument against us. If we kept the games close, FSU fans could travel to them (like Orlando or Tampa). And we can sell the shared ticket revenue, location, and potential national exposure to opposing teams without having to do the home-and-away. Since we can’t afford the home-and-thanksforplaying format that Florida uses…
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