Understanding the Importance of December and January Recruiting for Florida State
by SWFLNole. on Dec 8, 2009 4:28 AM EST
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PrintSince August, Florida State has been playing football games. The focus has been on the field for the most part, and with good reason; we all love to see the results of the Seminole's efforts. What will Bobby Bowden do? Who will be the new Defensive Coordinator with legend Mickey Andrew's departure? While these are very serious questions that capture the minds of Seminoles, they are also happening at the heart of the most important time for recruiting.
At TomahawkNation, we try to cover Florida State's recruiting efforts the best we can. While we are proud of our recruiting staff, none of us do this as our fulltime job. With that said, December and January are the most important recruiting months of the year. For the first time in years, the recruits will know exactly who the head coach will be for the next few years, and they also know that FSU is committed to winning no matter what. Hopefully, that knowledge will help Florida State "close" in the coming months. Bobby Bowden was known as a great closer, but in the last few years he didn't have the same effect. A new staff is extremely important for moving on. Most people think 3 classes is the gold standard of getting things turned around. 2008 and 2009 were very good, and the next two months will dictate if 2010 is in the same class.
Jimbo Fisher learned extensively under one of the masters of organization, Nick Saban. Nick Saban likes to control exactly what goes on in his program down to the most minute details. Recruiting is one of those areas that he personally oversees a great deal of. I expect that Jimbo Fisher will be much more involved with recruiting than Bobby Bowden has been. That starts with evaluation, an area where Jimbo excels.
December and January are like Saturday at the Masters, it is moving day. Just shooting par will probably not be enough, you've got to post a low number to make everyone else worry. Until December 16th, we are in what is referred to as a wide open contact period, in which coaches are allowed to make unlimited calls to prospects, visit high schools as much as they want, and do further evaluations. Florida State is already trying to do that pulling two very talented players in Jeff Luc and Mike Harris. The deadline for early enrollees to send their paperwork in is December 18th, and FSU is recruiting a number of kids they would like to be EEs. National Signing Day is Feb 4th, and going down to that day without knowing exactly who will be in the class isn't something the coaches would like to do.
But there is another important date range as well known as the dead period, from December 16th to January 4th. During that period, coaches can only call each prospect one time per week, by NCAA rule. Other things that may not occur during the recruiting dead period include official visits, unofficial visits, evaluations, visits to high schools, or even speeches at banquets. Because the college coaches are so limited in what they can do, the NCAA does do them and their families a favor over the holiday season. It will also allow the college coaches to recharge their battery for a vital month of the recruiting process.
With Florida State in the running for some of the most talented players in the country including Christian Green, LaMarcus Joyner, Corey Lemonier, Christian Jones, and Terrence Mitchell the coaches should be out on the road as much as they can be. So far, they have been on the road a ton. Some coaches are logging 20-hour days. December and January's hard work can turn into February's big payoff.
As we've stated for weeks, FSU will not retain such coaches as Jody Allen, Chuck Amato, Dexter Carter, Mickey Andrews (retired), and Todd Stroud. This means a lot of turnover. Where will these coaches primarily recruit in the next two crucial months? *With this I will address where both of the two most likely DC would be best, there is some speculation on new coaches that do not include inside knowledge of new hires.
James Coley: South Florida, Tallahassee, East Coast south from Jacksonville
Eddie Gran: (RC) South Florida, SE states such as N GA, Tennessee, RBs (Some question as to whether he can recruit immediately or will have to wait until the departed Carter's contract runs out. In any case, he will be able to recruit on January 5th, when the 2-week dead period ends).
Lawrence Dawsey: Tampa south to Naples, WRs, help in Jacksonville
Odell Haggins: Big Bend, East Coast North, Help in DL
Rick Trickett: Central Florida, NW Florida, all OL
Dameyune Craig: NW Florida, South Alabama and Mississippi
Sal Sunseri: Specializes in the southern East Coast such as the Carolinas
Kirby Smart: Specializes in N FL, and South Georgia
Jimbo Fisher: Will oversee recruiting, help any area, and focus on the elite recruits regardless of where they are.
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im a polk county boy...
Do we have any guys were lookin at from around there? Im sure there has to be someone from the Nauts…
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Chad Abrams is committed from Kathleen
as well as Jared Haggins from Lakeland.
as well as Winter Haven has played this year
is there anyone from there on our list to check out???
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
FSU has done a terrible job
for the most part in Polk.
i think is USF country
the usf team is almost all Lakeland guys….
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I believe either 6 or 7 from that one team went to UF that year.
We had a shot with the Pouncey’s and John Brown. In hindsight, glad Brown didn’t come..
grothe went to usf...and the running back
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
no the qb that played for USF...he was a dreadnaught..or am i mistaken?
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not yet
used to be that they couldn’t give away tix to watch the Bulls. This year they had at least a couple sold out games at Raymond James. The Tampa area is starting to jump on the bandwagon…
They get excited the first 6 games of the season when they do nothing but beat bad teams
Then they finish the season 2-5 and nobody cares or goes to the game.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
That is the perception..
but the only way to change that is to recruit tirelessly. It just doesn’t seem that FSU has made a big effort in the past several years to recruit here. It’s not like all the kids want to go to UF. Hopefully we get Karlos Williams for 2011.
Im from PC too..
HC to be exact. And its most definitely heavily gator oriented. Which is disgusting.
Outside of the year the Gators got all those guys form the Dreadnaughts
who else have we lost out on? We didn’t get Lance Legett who was originally form Polk County but he was out in Texas as a senior and his dad was a big Canes fan. Some guys may be slipping my mind but I can’ think of any off the top of my head. Mike James who I liked a lot we looked at but he committed pretty early on to Miami and we alredy had C. Thompson committed, were huge favorites for Lonnie Pryor and still had a shot at Trent Richardson. We got Chauncey Davis out of Auburndale, Alex Boston out of Bartow, Kedrick Stewart out of Lakeland and Vince Williams out of Davenport in recent years.
I really didn’t consider it bad espically with Polk being such a huge Gator county. And we’ve already offerd Vince’s borther Karlos, so we seem to at least identify the right guys in the area. I don’t think we recruited Larry Kendrick but he was always gonna be a Gator and Tony Joiner went to Florida but we had him at are camp first but for what ever reason we liked other guys better and didn’t offer. One thing I think a lot of schools in Polk County could do a better job of is promoting their players by taking them to camps, etc. Seems alot of the schools are doing a much better job in recent years but a lot of the schools in polk could still improve in that area big time.
He's adding the two most likely candidates for DC.
No he’s not saying they’re both coming, just where they recruit for your reference.
Tools Whore
so of the people on staff that are recruiting who is in SoGa
Thats a gold mine for us. Also the coaches that are being let go are they even doing anything. I would think MA would want to help out all he could. He doesnt seem like the type that would just sit on the side lines even if hes leaving. Do we have to wait tell the bowl game to let the other coahces go or can we get ride of dead weight like Allen and CTC now and get some position coaches in that can start to teach the guys now. (If we could get the coaches her)
Last we have an idea of who the DC might be what about other pos. coaches. Any word on who we might be looking at.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
SoGa
was Dexter Carter and Jody Allen I believe. Probably will belong to a coach to be named later.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
They put Dexter and Jody on the same job?
Thats almost immediate failure.
Not something we should have in SoGa…
20-hour recruiting days
In all honesty, what kind of hours do you think "The Departed’ coaches were logging the past 3 years?
by The K-Man on Dec 8, 2009 8:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
C. Jones
Saw Christian jones facebook profile pic- it had him in the Tennessee locker room with a UT jacket on and his dad by the side. As well, saw Corey miller lobbying him hard on his wall to go to UT.
Cause for concern??
by DesiNole on Dec 8, 2009 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I was wondering if the Luc commitment and the fact that we have 4 LBs would have an effect on him...
I wud assume not as he is on par with luc & better than other lb’s in this class. If we go to a 3-4, I would assume he might start his FR year @OLB.
by DesiNole on Dec 8, 2009 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget Coley in California
If he had his choice, he’d be recruiting China in the morning, Nigeria in the afternoon, and fighting polar bears at night.
LOL! Don't forget, we need a few Cossacks on the OL!
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Gran could recruit
Eddie Gran should be able to jump into recruiting immediately. Though Chuck, Jody and Dexter’s contracts probably run into January, I’d be almost certain that their contracts allow them to be reassigned to other duties within the Athletic Department until the contracts end, permitting new staff to step in.
The issue is if Bobby would allow it. I assume that Bowden’s still making those calls until his contract ends/official final day. If Bobby allows Eddie to coach the running backs and let Dexter – I don’t know – empty waste baskets, hand out water bottles, whatever – then Gran could hit the recruiting trails.
Oh, I guess the other concern is if his resignation from Tennessee is in effect before the bowl and/or if Tennessee will release him before their bowl.
He's not assuming his post until Jan 10th....
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Couldn't he just recruit regularly
Just telling the kids to go to FSU instead of Tenn?
That would be a low blow to his current institution
He most likely will not be a large part of this recruiting effort as him swaying recruits from his prior institution is disrespectful.
However, I do see him being involved in FSU targets, whether he recruited them for Tennessee or not, and also a leader in the 2011 recruiting effort.
There is just a fine line you must walk and I would rather him not carry on the Lane “Foot-in-Mouth” Kiffin Tradition of being a duffus
We weren't after many of their commits in the first place
We have more than enough top recruits left on our board for us not to poach from our new coaches former schools.
I don't think he needs to poach UT commits
B/c we’re already covered in those positions. But he could help us with guys that are still open or who have committed to other schools. Primarily, I mean Brandon Gainer (4* RB from So. Fla.) and Matt Elam (who he recruited for UT but who is currently committed to the Turds).
That's exactly what I said.
And if the kid was never on our board and all of a sudden they are because of a coaching change, it’s poaching. Like I said, we don’t need to poach, though.
Of his 4 commits (according to Rivals), I'd only want Delvin Jones
http://rivals.yahoo.com/uga/football/recruiting/player-Delvin-Jones-89761
Meline doesn’t want to play safety in college, does he?
And its not poaching if the kids want to follow, just business.
If I left and went to another law firm and some clients wanted to follow, that’s just business. I would not actively solicit my old firm’s clients or interfere with their business relations. Prospective clients would still be fair game absent a non-compete agreement.
But I seriously doubt Kiffin
would exercise the same level of integrity if he had culled an asst. from FSU. Not saying Gran SHOULD poach, but I’m just saying. Tennessee has one of the weakest recruiting bases in the South, all their best players come from other states. I have a distant relative (R.M.) who’s an example of that. Not to mention Haynesworth, Jamal Lewis, D.Stallworth,and P.Manning
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why do we care about UT?
A strong UT helps beat up UF. And besides, we weren’t after many of their commits to begin with.
I understand that
I am just saying that politically, you cannot and should not get caught poaching.
Once it is even implied, it makes you look like an ass
What is Craig's role??
If Gran is RB and ST coach, where does that leave Craig?
two open slots would be TE coach or QB coach
or if FSU hires an “auxiliary” coach to fill Bowden’s spot, he may fit there.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Craig QB
Coley OC/TE
Fisher still obviously plays a huge role in the QBs but hires a guy he trusts to oversee the group when Fisher is working with other units. If Fisher stayed QB coach and it was given to Craig, Coley would only be the OC and not have a specific position he coached?
While I may be wrong, I think my way makes more sense.
Fisher is going to mentor Craig regardless so it seems logical that he be hired as QB coach
Similar to Saban and his DCs- just because you have the title doesn’t mean you’re running the show.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Do you see us bringing in an extra defensive coach?
It looks like we may have room for an extra coach now that bowden is gone like you said. Just thought I’d pick your brain on the subject.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
Craig would take Bobby's coaching vacancy
We have 3 spots on D available to replace Mickey, Amato and Allen.
Honestly, I would like to see the auxiliary coach named Special Teams Coordinator
I know it won’t happen but I wish instead of delegating it to a position coach, we could have one guy focus on all things special teams. Then maybe HE could help out with another position instead of vice-versa.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Its so funny. FSU seems to be doing a good job recruiting at the moment
and its with only what 5 coaches where other schools have all there people out. What is the rule about the HC. Can he go on the road or into recruits house. Seeing that JF isnt the HC at the moment is there a Plus to him being able to do this.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I thought the HC was allowed only one in home visit with the recruit
Yes, having Jimbo be our HC for all intent and purpose, without officially being the HC, gives us an advantage because he doesn’t have to abide by the HC rules.
Are we even active in Louisiana?
Other than Jacobs this year I can’t remember the last time we landed someone of relevance from there (not that Jacobs is terribley relevant)
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
in 2007 FSU had a commin from WR Ahmad Paige from LA
he then flipped to UT, then transferred somewhere else.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
So I am assuming we do not concentrate much there?
Do you see that changing in the future?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
With all the talent in FL and SoGa do we need to go to LA
If there is a player that is just a beast I could see it but why go there if we can get the same or better in FL. I dont think we need to bother in LA we have to fight with LSU, Ark, and the Texas teams.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Maybe with only 1/2 staff recruiting
the cost/benefit analysis didn’t work out well. If we get Sunseri or Hudson to recruit the Carolinas, Travis Jones can handle MS and La. There are Miss. boys and JUCO players to go get. TJ knows La. well. Why not make the trip worth the while. With Gran to help with So.Fla. and the other coaches & assts. recruiting we can dominate the SE.
If Lemay was in La., would we just give up? Do other schools stay out of Fla.? This is a nole nation. I wouldn’t expect to be raised in La. and want to come a couple states over to go to a 6-6 ACC team. With a return to prominance and relevance that equation may change. May also change with having some Hatians who speak Creole on our team. Fisher wants the best talent and probably could give 2 shites where it comes from. I do not expect him to concede any part of the southeast.
Louisiana is going to be LOADED the next two years with talent
Would like to see FSU get a couple kids.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not very productive...
…to recruit there, LSU has that stste locked down like Bama does it’s own. The only other I can remember was Elliott Porter who was “blown away” by Showtime and then committed to LSU…
I’m, trying to think of any prominent Seminoles who are from LA other than Dunn…
They don't have it locked down
Any more than UF FSU and Miami (and I guess USF) have Florida locked down.
Remember, these are HS athletes. Some get love because they are on great teams
Others don’t get love and they have to reach out to coaches.
With this being the case, there will always be guys who are overlooked who are worth looking at and getting on your team.
So there will always be extra guys in Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and Florida.
Remember all the guys we’ve passed up in the muck?
And remember
LSU went to Florida to get guys like Dwayne Bowe, Demetrius Byrd, Xavier Carter, and Patrick Johnson (Now Peterson). And scooped Russell Shepard up from Houston. So it definitely has it’s benefits. On the other hand, Dez Bryant (From Lukfin, Tx near Houston) dreamed of going to LSU but they never called, go figure!
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't the slightest idea
Maybe his parents got married or something (Not trying to be funny). A kid from S. Carolina changed his last name to honor his late father, so anythings possible. I heard P. Peterson is B. McFadden’s cousin actually.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Christian Ponder got out of Texas
And I’d take him over Colt 5 yard pass McCoy any day
Roland Seymour was from LA
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Maybe Travis Jones
If we get him from the Saints. He was recruiting coordinator for the top class in the nation while Fisher was at LSU. Rumors have it that he is not happy with the Saints and would be a perfect fit for the Noles.
Don't worry
The Colts will make sure he doesn’t have a Super Bowl ring. :-)
by FloridaState on Dec 8, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
You know he's not a position coach, right?
He’s an assistant position coach. A Super Bowl ring would be great, but I definitely think he’d come back to college to be the position coach again. Heck, I think he would consider leaving even during the season, and he’d still get a ring if they win it, right? You get World Series rings even if you get traded away at the deadline and weren’t actually on the team when it was won.
If he quits I am not sure the Saints would be on the hook for sending him a 100K ring
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Doesn't matter he can coach the position and has coached before.
It’s not like they hired him to stand on the sidelines picking his nose. If he couldn’t coach, the Saints wouldn’t have hired him.
Doesn't seem like Central Florida gets enough love. Lots of talent in there.
My Alma mater is Apopka though So there may be some bias.
by FSUBrad on Dec 8, 2009 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Trickett has C. FL what more do you need
Son Im telling you I will make you a man and a winner. You will come to FSU and play now drop and give me 20. Im sure the JF and coley hit it up strong too.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
New offers roll in for Peach State signal-caller Hutson Mason
“I picked up an offer from Florida State yesterday,” said Mason. “Right before I got that offer, Georgia offered me. It was a really special day for me.”
He also shared what he’s looking for, “My number one priority is playing time. I want the best opportunity to play. I also want to make sure that I am comfortable. That deals with the campus, school, teammates, and coaching staff. Number one is how early I can get on the field. At least have a shot to get on the field.”
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Furthers the point that FSUn made
Try and get as many kids as you can and sort it out later
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Yeah I wouldn't be sure that the offer is committable
Probably an insurance plan in case Trickett heads to Arkansas as TR said was possible.
>>---l>
That would be a good decision
for him IMO. With LeMay being Jimbo’s top target for 2011, I just don’t see Clint making it…IMO, there are better options out there than Clint.
I wouldn't sleep on Trickett
Secord would end up leaving IMO
Yeah, Clint.
There have been rumors that he’s taking a look at Arky, nothing solid on it, though.
>>---l>
I wonder if they are telling him to look elsewhere, due to potential issues down the road.
See Sexton, FSU; Hawkins, Colorado
Good points.
Father-Son combos rarely turn out pretty. This isn’t high school..
I think the sample size is way too small to make that assumption
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
oh, no doubt...
i just always laugh when i think about wyatt sexton
by garnetandgold on Dec 8, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sexton's freakout was at one of my friends houses in Tally.
They had just gotten back from Bonaroo and had consumed all sorts of hallucinagents (spl) and he was a mess the whole weekend supposedly.
hahahaha thats great
i remember hearing about that, he was doing pushups in the street claiming he was God or something right?
He was on the hood of a friends car
right outside their house and claimed to be Jesus. He was in rough conditions to say the least, should have kept him indoors and none of that would have gotten out to the public. When it did get out though then they just covered it up with the lymes disease excuse (don’t know if he actually had lymes disease or not) but the freak out was definitely induced with the help of some other things.
classic
its too bad he went off the deep end, i remember him having crazy stats as a HS player in tally, i honestly cant remember how he played for FSU though
that sucks that he actually has it
but its a good excuse to use so the media isnt asking about drugs
I belive 100% him flipping out was due to drugs
How long does it take Lyme Disease symptoms to manifest or to be able to detect its presence through bloodwork?
I wonder if he could’ve acquired it while at Bonnaroo (“it” being both Lyme Disease and hallucinogens).
Hahahahahahaha
I think he was still messed up months later. During finals week the following spring I saw some shaggy haired goofball walk into a sationary desk in the hallway in Bellamy.
Looked up and it was Wyatt. Dude, the desk won’t move, you have to.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 8, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, how about Jeff Bowden. Does that name ring a bell?
I’m just sayin that if you’re going to hold a coach to coach nepotism standard, what about coach to player?
There are a lot of potential conflict issues here. Is Trickett going to be upset b/c his kid doesn’t get pt. Are other QB recruits going to avoid FSU b/c Trickett’s son is expected (or perceived) to be the starter after EJ. Negative recruiting, etc., etc.
i bet trickett has no problem holding his son to the same expectations as everyone else
by garnetandgold on Dec 8, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Is Trickett's other son employed by the athletic department
or is he still just a grad assistant?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Mason will end up at Georgia IMHO.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
If Lemay comes right behind EJ (no homo), I dont see this guy getting any PT. Also, you have to factor in Trickett.
and who knows about secord…. his tapes didnt even look good coming out of high school.
It's just smoke right now
But I would assume he has PT motivations also and is very well aware of EJ being in front of him and LEMAY possibly being behind him
>>---l>
He just put up a FB status about rooming with Luc in the spring
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
Thats about accurate. And if i saw him, i would make sure that he is my roommate. Who’s gonna mess with you?
I bet that by the Spring Game, Clint gains 20 extra pounds of muscle
Jeff: Let’s go to the gym.
Clint: Jeff, we’ve been 5 times already today!
Jeff: And with that attitude, we won’t make 5 more by dinner. Come on pussy.
[Daddy Trickett bursts in]
Rick: DROP AND GIVE ME 20!!!
I was told Arkansas will nottake a QB,ifthey did hewouldlikelyflip
365 days, until I change my ways.
We took him so if Ponder went down we would still have a backup for EJ.
Looking back it all worked out (so far), and we could have just had a walk-on or one of our ex-HS QB’s on stand-by like Boldin.
Georgia has a couple freshman...
…who might be ahead of him as well. I agree with Raynoles, take ’em all. You never know when someone is going to get injured…
Lemay will probably be a NSD decision
I think he is a Gator at this time.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
A Gator??
Just about everyone has offered, but I haven’t heard of him leaning towards one team or another. Where did you hear that?
His dad wasthe UF pastor, he grew up in Gainesville, stated he grew up going to their games......
365 days, until I change my ways.
I believe UF is going to move toward that without Tebow
How efficient it will be by the time he gets there, who knows
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I hope it fails.
I don’t know if Urban will be able to coach without his butt buddy…
At Utah he had non-running QBs. Urban’s smart enough to get the job done. It might not be as deadly as it was with Tebow but I expect it to be a very good offense still.
I am pretty sure he implemented the spread offense there
Meyer was only their for 3 years if I remember correctly and Smith was there for the first 2
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Alex Smith
could always run. He wouldn’t have started for Meyer if he couldn’t. He ran a wing-t offense in high school with R.Bush, so he could always run. Meyer’s work with Smith in the spread was probably once of the biggest reasons he got the UFAG job
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yep and at Bowling Green
He had Omar Jacobs (A guy I wanted FSU to recruit that year) who could run as well.
What is the scoop on Lemay?
I haven’t heard anything about him liking uf. I know we were on him early. Saban was up here yesterday to watch him practice.
Jimbo 2010
Which is why FSU needs to keep Trickett...
it WILL hurt if FSU losses him.
is trickett another ponder? dosent seem to have the size...
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think he has the brains....
and he is 6-2.
he forsure has drive and a good work ethic....
Id like to see him stay but i think it will be a waitng game for the kid unless he flat out plays EJ.
by NOLEcasterWX on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
he could still grow too
im turing 21 and just grew another 1/2 inch. I started growing early too.
I agree- NSD decision between FSU and UF
Man that would hurt if two of the best QB’s in the nation for that class went to Miami and UF
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Eddie Gran
Funny little story. One of my best friends from college works as a coach for Glades Day, he is a big UT fan and went to the camp this past summer and worked it so he got to meet some of the coachs. Well they wanted him to bring down Kelyvn Taylor 2013RB, he does and Kelyvn plays real well at the camp and UT is already all over him. Kiffin is telling the kid we just Brown we are going to make him a number 1pick then youll come in and be the next number 1 pick. Well my buddy calls Gran yesterday to tell him congrats and see what the situation is with him. As they are getting off the phone Gran says tell Kelvyn I still Love him and forget that bs at UT hell have to be a NOLE now.
Agree
When your Dad is Fred Taylor and he went to UF, why go anywhere else… Unless he wants a more pro styled offense
oh this is Fred's kid?
Damn I know some of our studs from the late 80’s early 90’s should have kids going to college by now. Where they at?
Hahaha
The joke is funny. The fact that we didn’t get Devine isn’t.
He wasn't going to qualify at FSU anyways
The guy was a nightmare in high school
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Yea i remember how bad his acedemics were.
How much easier is WVU than FSU though?
I don't blame him for not wanting to come to play in our offense.
We killed the likes of Lorenzo Booker and Antone Smith. Both highly rated, speedy back coming out of HS who basically disappeared in our anemic offense. If he was leaving HS this year I would expect him to be a Nole. There were just too many problems in our program when he came out. My biggest problem with Prime Time wasn’t Noel going to WVU, I hated when he was helping Hester in Miami, that was a huge slap in the face. Deion still is my favorite american born athlete though. A Nole, a Falcon, and a Brave, don’t get any better.
Had Devine gone to Hargrave I think he would have ended up here.
The thing is, he did the right thing for his career, because WVU’s offense is perfect for him and their contracts to play on thursday nights put him on the big stage a lot.
365 days, until I change my ways.
when Deion helped Hester that pissed me off too...
i spoke with a former DB from the ‘89-’92 era who still has contact with the coaches and team etc and he was telln me Deion had some kind of problems with people in the athletic department or something and because of that he wont come around FSU or help out at all. maybe now that were cleaning house we can get some of these former greats back to help us out
I hope so.
I think that has been one of the biggest problems with our athletic department. Apparently several former players have felt that way too. I hear way too many FSU alumni claim their HS when they get introduced in the NFL now days. Hopefully with the purging of our old staff and the introduction of a better program and some wins we can re-establish a connection to former players to help promote our greatness to up coming kids. Nothing like having the likes of Deion, Brooks, Boulware, Dunn, Boldin around during games when recruits are visiting. On another note I was glad to see Darnell still rep FSU on SNF this past sunday after his latest tweets about BB.
Kelvyn Taylor is Fred Taylors son. I work in Belle Glade EVERYONE around here is all over this kid and says how much he wants to follow in Freds footsteps to UF.
I hope we can get him to FSU but will be a complete uphill battle.
by NoleRaised on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i saw him play
against my hometown team last year. he was in 8th grade and a BEAST. i was there to see lonnie pryor. it was a great game to watch
by garnetandgold on Dec 8, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Him going there make no FREAKIN SENSE!
You’re Fred Taylor’s kid, people are gonna know who you are. He’s just wasting his pops cash.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I Figured as much
Cris Carter didn’t have to pay for Duron. Damn private schools! Still make no sense, thats like John Wall or Derrick Rose goin to Oak Hill to play basketball. Kids just don’t take any pride in playin for their neighborhood schools anymore.
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Great MOVE
That kid is 14 years old and he has had over 25 carries in almost every game this year. He had like 43 in the last game that is irresponsible and unfair to do to a kid that young. I dont want to hear he can handle it thats bs and thats a coach with his own agenda it pisses me off real bad.
Whatever player George Smith wants, George usually gets. he parents usually love him and the school is top notch. Why send your kid to a public school when you can send him one of the best schools in the Archdiocese of Miami, if not the whole country.
He is actually a very charismatic and very nice person off the field.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I say put out a feeler
just to cover our bases and move on. If recruiting Eduardo Clements and Lattimore both proved to be waste of our time. What is recruiting the kid who’s pops ruined the national championship chances of the best Nole team there ever was (’97). It might be better to start scouting some defensive prospects who can help stop the kid
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I wondered what was so special about him
Heard he peaked early, kinda like Corvin Lamb
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Corvin Lamb is a hell of a talent but I am not sure if he would fit in here.
Then again we can use him like Florida used Brandon James. I think we should make a run at his teammate Michael Lee Harris who is similar to Twain Easterling.
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 9, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
The least Fred Taylor could do is send his son the FSU
being he backed out of a verbal to us that year leaving us high and dry.
Even Bowden himself
Said that ‘97 was his best team. 93’ and 99’ squads didn’t have the same horses on defense that the ‘97 squad did. And Busby wasn’t a bad QB. He wasn’t Weinke or Ward, but he damn sure wasn’t Rix or Weatherford either. One play for 70 plus yards to Green ruined the whole season. The ‘93 team lost at Notre Dame(Without Bettis and Brooks) and Vick and Andre Davis went crazy on the ’99 defense. Va Tech’s overrated D couldn’t stop us though, obviously
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Granted
That WAS Notre Dame’s freaking Super Bowl that year. They had BC the next week and we had the swamp. So they went balls out against us,but we had to play UF the following saturday, so S%$T happens
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Also didn't hurt their cause that they decided to give the
gardner’s the week off.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
I always say '93.
If you “weight” the talent across all positions equally, sure, maybe 97 was it… but realistically, you can’t have a greatest team with Busby at QB. That position is too important.
The only reason we lost to ND was because D. Brooks and Derrick Alexander were both severely hampered by injury. Alexander was playing with a club/cast over one hand, while Brooks had a severe ankle sprain, I think; simply wasn’t himself. There’s simply no other way ND’s converted-safety-RB goes wild on us. That ‘93 defense was outscoring our opponents through like 5 games into the season…. and on offense, as referenced earlier, Chollie weighing in at QB tips the scales, no matter who you’ve got going against him. And he did have considerable talent around him (Floyd, Dunn, S. Jackson, Knox, McCorvey, Vanover, C. Shiver).
UF wasn't next week for us.
May have slaughtered NC State like 68-3 the following Saturday, amidst the joy of hearing about BC’s upset.
Great piece SWFL
If I’m not mistaken, tomorrow is the next WORT?
So much talk about 2011 and now 2013, we need more news coming from 2010 and DL recruits. What’s the latest on the announcement of our next DC (still planned for this week)? With the rumors of Houston Nutt showing a little interest in the Kansas job, I hope that only helps our chances with Wayne Dorsey. I doubt Nutt would leave Ole Miss but if the rumors keep flying, only helps FSU for Dorseys services.
Can’t wait to have a FULL staff out there recruiting for this upcoming class, could be a special one.
by CSI Nole on Dec 8, 2009 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not surprised at all
He was a Bama lean.
by CSI Nole on Dec 8, 2009 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad
that we’ve gotten back to recruiting the Tampa area. To be quite honest, I’m not sure why we stopped really recruiting the Tampa area.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
Speaking of recruiting
We lost 2 Dline targets. Adrien Hubbard to Bama(no surprise) and Clavin Smith to Tenn. Posted this on the Big Board so you can update it.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Smart & Sunseri
Is it all possible, maybe even within the realm of comprehesion that we land both Smart and Sunseri?
Trickett
Trickett once said he had 2 days off in the three years he worked for Saban @ LSU.
If Smart comes here and Sunseri stays...
will Saban promote Sunseri to DC or go shopping for another one?
Stoops
Football Scoop reporting Mark Stoops interviewed w/Jimbo.
I noticed two other things
1. Rick Trickett is interviewing with Marshall for HC
2. Louisiana Monroe not interested in Terry Bowden
Mark Stoops’ Coaching History
1990 Graduate assistant coach Iowa
1991 Graduate assistant coach Iowa
1992 Athletics Director/DBs Nordonia Hills H.S.
1993 Athletics Director/ DBs Nordonia Hills H.S.
1994 Athletics Director/ DBs Nordonia Hills H.S.
1995 Athletics Director/ DBs Nordonia Hills H.S.
1996 Assistant coach/ DBs South Florida
1997 Assistant coach/ DBs Wyoming
1998 Assistant coach/ DBs Wyoming
1999 Assistant coach/ DBs Wyoming
2000 Co-def. coordinator/ DBs Houston
2001 Assistant coach/ DBs Miami
2002 Assistant coach/ DBs s Miami
2003 Assistant coach/DBs Miami
2004 Defensive Coordinator/DBs Arizona
2005 Defensive Coordinator/DBs Arizona
2006 Defensive Coordinator/DBs Arizona
2007 Defensive Coordinator/DBs Arizona
2008 Defensive Coordinator/DBs Arizona
2009 Defensive Coordinator/DBs Arizona
They don't know anything
Didn’t they say yesterday that talks with Sunseri were almost finalized and then they stalled out over something in the contract? Some other outlet reports today that the two parties have yet to even talk. I say it’s somewhere in the middle.
???
i thought coach Fisher was going to get a person that can recruit outside the ACC/SEC areas… such as a coordinator from Boise or TCU’s just for expanding the recruiting trail and recruit nation wide, thats what the Seminoles need to bring back because some FSU legends are from Texas Cali… ext
Which legends?
Dunn from Lousiana?, Ward from Georgia?, Brooks from Florida? Peter Boulware from South Carolina? Peter Warrick from Florida?
You must mean Rix and Booker from California.
365 days, until I change my ways.
He is a legend in my eyes
but only for what he did to that d-bag Lemming.
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 8, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I always like seeing him out with those two hot asain twins
Got knows what went on behind closed doors
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
true
1 more thing, I remember the 07 class and they where 2 kids in the D.C. area and they wanted to go to FSU but they ended up going to UNC and Illinois, FSU wasn’t persistant. Noles would be good in the D line and would have a 5 star reciever but you know
Benn and Austin?
We weren’t persistent? I’m not sure I’ll buy that. We hung our DT class on Austin and it clearly failed miserably. Benn wasn’t coming here, for the same reason Harvin wasn’t.
Shed some light on that
Why didn’t Benn and Harvin seriously consider coming to FSU? Austin was close to going to USC from what I heard
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 9, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I am fairly sure we targetted them well into their junior years, if not sophomore
Benn bought into Zook’s recruitment and our offense was trash at the time. Austin bought into Davis and Blake. From what I remember, it became apparent during the season that we weren’t the leader for Benn, but we thought Austin was ours (and I think he was a silent for the longest time), and we didn’t recruit many DT because of it, and then a few weeks before signing day UNC snatches him up.
Austin must have really been playing the field during recruiting
Because his name was everywhere. Blake was the HC at Oklahoma awhile ago I remember. Firing him and bringing in Stoops resurrected that program like no other. OU was in worse shape than we are now(If u can imagine). Blake can recruit and coach D-line though
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Don't need 'em don't want 'em
A week or two ago someone posted a link to an article regarding what happened to one of FSU’s recent top recruiting classes. It had a bunch of out-of-state guys who later transferred out of FSU and closer to home because they became homesick.
I wish someone would repost that link because I can’t seem to find it. There is just no need to recruit the midwest, northeast, or pacific heavily. There is enough talent in the southeast to make a NC team. If there are guys who show an interest in FSU and they are quality pickups, then sure we can travel to catch the low-hanging fruit. Top guys like Hopkins are worth a trip to fill a need. I just don’t agree with the premise that we need to recruit nationwide.
I understand you point
like in the Nole basketball team Julian Vaughn transfered to Georgetown to be closer to home… but at the same time, i thought and still think that Aurileous Benn (DC) is a great talent at Illinois even though they are horrible, and Marvin Austin (also DC) is doing very well at UNC, I think that Austin and McDaniels would have been an outstanding Dline duo. just my opinion though
For example Joe Mcnight is from Fl and he is doing good in USC, Lamichael James from Tx is doing good at Oregon
The exceptions not the rules
If we get Sunseri or Hudson, they’ll recruit the carolinas, Va. & DC. That’s still the south. I’m talking about no need to recruit Iowa, Arizona, and whatever else is west of the Mississippi or North of the Mason-Dixon. We can take some exceptions like Ponder & Hopkins, Mike Harris from Cali. b/c he’s originally from So. Fla. but I wouldn’t be expecting to be putting a bunch of guys from NM, AZ, Oreg., Colo., MO, Ill., NY, etc. on the recruiting board. Even with a woman, it’s hard to have a long distance relationship.
good point
carolinas south Va i see your point, but DC… its hard to see recruiters in DC, now talking about other far away states I think it mostly depends on the player (remember when you are 18 and you have high expectations on a team and you have to do classes sometimes it does affect a kid that goes far, also depends on the coaches and the relationship they have with the players)
Correction for ya
Actually, Joe McKnight is from Louisiana. I remember a lot of LSU fans thinking they had him in the bag until he went out to USC.
by seminoleballer on Dec 8, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Class of 2006: A Philosophy Change.
This was the article, but it’s now premium stuff. Which I would have pasted the article when I originally posted it.
http://www.accsports.com/articles/200911036318/class-of-2006-philosophy-change-hurt-fsu-.php
Basically
We got so concerned about recruiting the top players from each state. Rolle from NJ (I think), Warren from TN, Rix and so on, that we started ignoring good players from our own state or region. Most everyone we recruited during that time didnt stay on the team and left for some reasons, some being homesick, etc.
UF, UM and S. Fl all were able to take a lot of players that were high on us, because we were out trying to get the best of the best from all over the US instead of focusing on the players in our own backyard.
Well of the 3 you listed, only 1 left
Small sample size, I know. You could say Callahan Bright though, but I could say Bradwell, that other B-last name DL, Rouse, Hardrick, Rose, J. Warren, Travis Arnold, that 3rd Mad Co guy and a slew of others. My point is that we took a ton of in state talent that didn’t pan out. And it didn’t pan out at an alarming rate. Between the 2004-2007 classes, we lost like 35-40% of the guys who signed with us. They either failed out, got kicked out or never made it in.
That’s why we were always a “young team”. Were there some actual percentages thrown around? Miami and Florida both have, it seems, as many out of staters as we do. Or did it just use a few examples here and there?
Um no
We’ve talked about this extensively. We need to focus on the immediate areas. Expanding the recruiting focus nationally hurt us badly.
Ponder's from Texas
And not sure where you get TCU being this nationwide recruiting machine, I looked at their roster and most of the kids are from Texas or surrounding states, which I wouldn’t consider “national” recruiting.
Besides, there are just as many potential legends in Florida than there are in Texas/Cali.
i mostly mean Booker
when i see Clemson’s CJ Spiller i see Lorenzo, the reason why he wasn’t great was because of Jeff Bowden
maybe
the thing is that Booker didn’t play under a good offensive coordinator? unlike CJ, he has had a good coaching staff with Tommy Bowden and with Dabo Swinney
But why haven't either one done a damn thing since they left FSU
While Booker’s buddy (Leon Washington) and the guy Rix beat out (Anquan Boldin) are Pro Bowler’s in the league?
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
...
Rix didnt have a good senior season and that affected his status, by the time the combine came he decided to go on another route. I remember Rix worked for Fox for about 1 year
for Booker he was injured most of his Junior and Senior season, remember Leon Washington and Bolden where first influenced by Mark Richt and learned his system before the Jeff Bowden era
But its not just that. They were better players, they are in different systems in the NFL. Booker made it to the NFL and isn't anything. Rix was too unintelligent to the game.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Rix
horrible vision didnt have good accuracy, too many interceptions… I never said Rix was a legend i said Booker was trust me i never was happy about Rix as a starter… to continue what a disappointment Xavier Lee and Drew Weatherford was
Mike Shanahan and Alex Gibbs would have shot him
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Did you guys mean Joe Gibbs? ie. former Redskins HC
or am I completely blanking on who Alex Gibbs is?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
He's the former OL coach for Denver
He’s the mind behind the zone blocking scheme(Without it, the Broncos don’t win ONE super bowl, much less two). He’s currently with Kubiak and the Texans where they employ the same system
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Warrick Dunn
Had his best seasons running in that system with the Falcons. Granted, he’s the only back I know of, to pretty much overhaul his running style to conform to it
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
You're obviously biased! lol
More of a multi-dimenional threat in TB? definitely! ATL just gave him the feature role he craved, and he filled it nicely. Three straight 1,000 yard seasons, not too bad for a 180 pound back, huh?
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 9, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I'm biased
I remember draft day, I was like 10, and he was still on the board at 16/17(?) and the Bucs were up and I was like PICK HIM and they did. I couldn’t believe it.
But anyways, I guess Duckett may have stolen more of his TDs than anyone. Warrick Dunn is the man, though. Not too many guys come close to 11,000 yards rushing.
I remember that
Booker was multi dimensional he was a runningback and a wide out he could play various positions thats why I call him a Legend
He had over 3000 yards his Jr. season in HS
But that was pretty much it. I had a bit higher expectations of him coming out of HS I guess
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Leon Washington had nothing to do with Mark Richt
he was class of 2002, same class as Booker.
Yes, Boldin was working under Richt for 2 years (1999 and 2000), but Rix was here for 2000 under Richt also and at QB (albeit a RS year).
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
Coincidence that his first year was his bes?
Since Jeff had not had enough time to ruin him completely. I hate Rix as much as anyone for what he did on the field. Too many mistakes on and off the field actually. But there was no accountability from the coaching staff on their players. The kid had talent, I remember watching his freshman year thinking that with a bit of experience and some good coaching he could have grown into something. Like every other offensive talent under Jeff Bowden he got worst with every year and never had a shot at a post FSU career. Rix under our new offensive staff would have either straightened up off the field and humbled himself, and taken advantage of his athletic ability to become a decent if not good / great QB, or would have been shown the door. Neither of those happened under Jeff, he kept being played even though he was an idiot on and off the field
Anquin is a receiver Pro bowler not a QB
Booker is too small to play RB in the league and still gets a check from the NFL. They both had all the tools to be good college players just played under a worthless coach. Rix’s best year was his freshman year, he kept getting worst every year. That’s a sign of bad coaching. And Jeff was so smart that when we had Booker and Greg Jones on the same team he would run Sweeps with Jones and try Booker up the middle, as if that made any sense.
And to think Rix went to the same HS as Carson Palmer
Them, Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley, and Kyle Boller are all from the same general area around Orange County. Who’s the only one that didn’t start make it in the league(Aside from Barkley of course)?
by westcoastnolefan on Dec 8, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know that Rix transferred prior to his SR year
and then b/c there were no good WRs he moved there b/c he was a better athlete than the backup QB (Matt D. (can’t remember the exact last name) who played D-1, was an UCLA commit and Illinois commit at one time) who was a JR, plus he had already been committed to FSU at the time (was since Jan. of his JR year) and was in no danger of losing his ship so it helped both the team and the backup QB.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
I've heard that we offered Smart around $700K to come to FSU
and he still turned it down. Is there any truth to this amount of money being offered, because that would basically double what Smart is making at Alabama?
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
trickett...
with rick trickett possibly leaving to coach at marshall who would we get to replace him? and would we still keep his son clint who is a verbal committ?
No clue on OL coach
But I think we would want Clint to stay. If not, we’ve been looking at that Georgia QB a lot lately, too. Maybe we go hard after Godfrey again. I don’t know who’s on our board.
Punt Return
great to be stoked again about our football team. almost feel sorry for the other teams… who do you punt to? Reid or Joyner?…haha
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