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Florida State Recruiting Update, 12.09.09

Lots of info today.  As always, we funnel coverage (except in the next couple of days) to the 2010 Big Board and the 2010 Recruiting Map.  If you have a question, and there isn't a post on the front page, ask it in the 2010 BB.  Remember to get out and watch these prospects play.  On to the coverage.

Current 2010 commits: (click the links to read more)

Come inside for much more!

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2011 commits:

Coaches' Visits:

As it is December, FSU's coaches are out recruiting (Fisher, Coley, Haggins, Dawsey, Trickett).  From what I understand, newly-hired coach Eddie Gran will be on the road shortly.  Also, the fact that Haggins is out recruiting is a pretty clear indication that he is staying for the 2010 season.  Here is a rough list of the prospects that have been visited:

  • CB Lamarcus Joyner
  • Joyner's mentor's facebook status after the visit: Just had Jimbo Fisher head of FSU in my crib with coach Odell and Cooley. Had a great time. I think I see a tomahawk chop in my future...maybe
  • WR Christian Green
  • WR Kenny Shaw will receive a visit today from Fisher and Dawsey.
  • LB Christian Jones
  • The current commits (Dent, Luc, Cummings, Barnes, ect.)

Assorted notes:

  • I would like to see FSU offer DL Eric Humphrey, out of Texas.  Kid is 6'4'' 280 and he has crazy athleticism.  The 'Noles have shown interest in him.
  • Speaking of 2011 commits, Ridge ATH Karlos Williams could be the next commitment for that cycle.  Williams is the brother of current FSU LB Vince Williams, and Karlos is a very good player who projects to be a top 10 recruit in the State of Florida.
  • Williams video: 
  • FSU has a pretty good shot at Hialeah DE/OLB Corey Lemonier.  His teammate, Calvin Smith, just committed to Tennessee, but I don't think the Smith commitment will hurt FSU with Lemonier.
  • Norcross DE/OLB Adrian Hubbard committed to Alabama.  Good luck to him. 
  • Speaking of the newly hired Gran, he is a great recruiter.  Tennessee had him covering the Sunshine State.
  • Thanks to 1newplayer, who linked this article from ESPN about Gran.
  • Check out SWFLNole's excellent piece about the importance of December and February recruiting.
  • Charlie Strong leaving Florida for Louisville only helps Florida State.  If he takes Billy Gonzalez with him, even better.
  • WR Kenny Shaw is a very strong FSU lean. Gahnki informs us that Shaw could end it as early as this weekend. 
  • With Strong leaving, I'd hope that FSU gains a little bit of ground for 2011 Lake City DT Timmy Jernigan.  I'm not confident though. 
  • As for Sandy Creek (Tyrone, GA) RB Rajion Neal, I am not really impressed with him.    I wouldn't complain if FSU misses on him, but I wouldn't complain if the 'Noles took his commitment.  Either way, I think he sticks with his Mississippi commitment.
  • JuCo DE Wayne Dorsey is an FSU-Ole Miss battle.  It's gonna come down to the wire with him.  He would be a great pickup.
  • It remains to be seen on whether JuCo DL Charles Deas qualifies.  Another interesting note: Eddie Gran recruited Deas to Auburn.
  • I am not very high on Treasure Coast LB Deon Rogers.  I have my doubts that he can put weight on, and I don't think he is FSU quality.

Front 7 Focus:

FSU will probably take somewhere 12-16 Front 7 (LB, DL) players.

Probably something like this:

DL Charles Deas (if he qualifies)
DL Anthony McCloud
DL Corey Lemonier
DL Wayne Dorsey
DL Jamaine Brooks (6'3'' 290; Miami Palmetto; possibility)
DL Tavaris Barnes
DL Darious Cummings
DL Cameron Erving
LB Jeff Luc
LB Christian Jones
LB Telvin Smith
LB Holmes Onwukaife
LB Shaydon Akuna (if he visits)
LB Nigel Terrell (if he sticks)

That is fourteen.  I would love that Front 7 class.  It is imperative that FSU signs that many bodies.  Many of those players have star potential.

Some tidbits from Luke:

Probably the two best players in SoFLA this regular season have been Joyner and Dent.

-I love Joyner with the ball in his hands (slot and returns), as a CB I still question his man-to-man coverage skills but think he would be a beast in a cover-2 where his main job would be to

come up and pop people who come in his zone.

-Dent I thought was a good WR, but at CB he could develop into an excellent player, especially since that's where colleges wanted him (Ole Miss, UGA, Miami). He plays mainly a cover-3 at GC so you don't get to see him much in man, but I thought he showed he could play man pretty good, vs. Ivan McCartney in the Dolphin 7-on-7 there where the rules forced you to play man across the board with one man free. That's pretty much the only time I've could have seen Dent play man for an extended period of time (he attended very few camps, WR if he did camp, GC plays 80% cover-3). He's always accelerated well out of his cuts on Slats as a WR and had great hands, but his Muck Bowl performance as a WR solidified my thoughts I had before on what position Dent should play. JUST GET HIM ON CAMPUS THEN FIGURE IT OUT!

Joyner has the hips, feet, and athleticism to play cornerback, so I do not think that is a concern.  He is a little raw, but with some teaching, there is no reason he cannot excel at CB.  I love that FSU is probably picking up the two best players in South Florida for this cycle.

Other interesting links:

2011 QB/RW Jarrard Randall (Chaminade High School, Hollywood, FL) should be a serious option.  He currently claims an FSU offer.  Video here:  http://recruiting.scout.com/2/920542.html

Here are some portions from an article the Miami Herald did on him:

Curtric Evans had heard the stories about just how hard and how far Jerrard Randall could throw a football. At times, they sounded like tall tales.

``People were telling me he could throw it the length of the field and that he threw the ball so hard he was breaking receiver's shoulder pads because they were afraid to use their hands,'' Evans said.

``I didn't believe it until I got to Chaminade. I've been playing football from the time I was 4 years old and I had never used gloves before I played catch with Jerrard. I do now. He can throw that ball hard.''

Randall, a 6-2 ½, 195-pound junior with a rocket right arm, can do more than just fling it. Just ask five-time Class 2B state champion Pahokee, which was victimized by Randall (who ran for 230 yards and four touchdowns on 12 carries) in a 35-0 first-round playoff loss Friday.

As the leader of the undefeated Lions (11-0), Randall has proven to be as dangerous a dual-threat quarterback as there is in the country. And he's only part of the reason why Chaminade -- a program that went 2-8 a season ago when Randall was sitting on the bench at Miami Norland -- has suddenly become a serious state championship contender.

``Nobody expected us to beat Pahokee -- especially the way we did it,'' said Evans, who leads the Lions in receiving with 22 catches for 459 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Randall's physical gifts ``are off the charts.'' According to coach Tim Tyrell, Randall was timed running the 40-yard dash during spring football in 4.3 seconds. Tyrell said Randall benches 355 pounds and claims to have seen him complete a pass earlier this season to sophomore receiver Fred McRae ``72 yards down field in stride.''

For those that were worried about the retirement of Bowden hurting recruiting, here is an article that should ease your mind:

If it has any effect at all, Florida State coach Bobby Bowden's retirement could make the Seminoles more attractive to potential signees.

Since FSU hired Jimbo Fisher in 2007, recruits have not known whether he or Bowden would be in charge by the time they arrived in Tallahassee. With Bowden stepping down Tuesday, the future seems solid to high school prospects.

"It'll take all the questions out of everybody's mind about who's going to be the coach," said Treasure Coast linebacker Jeff Luc, one of the nation's elite recruits who is considering FSU. "It's not going to affect me because Jimbo Fisher is a cool dude. I've spent a lot of time with him, and I like him."

Two local wide receivers, Glades Central's Greg Dent and Pahokee's De'Joshua Johnson, committed to FSU this year and said the coaching change won't alter their plans.

Both players said Seminoles assistant coaches talked openly about the likelihood of Bowden leaving.

"They were telling me he wouldn't be there long, so I really based my decision on Jimbo Fisher," Johnson said. "They said I'd start with Bobby, but finish with Jimbo. I'm not really upset."

Several local prospects with FSU offers said Bowden was not involved in their recruitment anyway.

Dent has never spoken with Bowden, but said Fisher called him before Glades Central's playoff game against Plantation-American Heritage last week.

Interesting. 

On another positive note, FSU TE Coach (and likely future OC) James Coley has been doing absolute work on the recruiting trail.  He's been all over the country, from Florida, to California, to back to Florida.  In a three day span.  Beast mode.  Coley is probably FSU's best recruiter right now. 

Reaction to Bowden's retirement

Overall, the reception has been great.  Recruits are seemingly glad that Fisher is in charge now, as the rash of commitments since the retirement has been telling.  I will say this:  Jimbo Fisher made a brilliant public relations move with the orchestration of the commits.  To recruits, FSU has momentum - and the Jeff Luc commitment only helped.  A prospect with the perception of Luc committing is big to fans and recruits. Head Coach Jimbo Fisher (feels good saying that!) has done a great job of taking advantage of a loophole in the rules, which allows him to visit prospects.  He hasn't been introduced as the Noles' head coach yet.

Recently, FSU has done an outstanding job on the recruiting trail.  Let's hope they keep it up.

That's it for today.  As always, if you need something, I can be reached at fsusom@gmail.com

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Christian Green

On Tharinger some said there might be good news regarding Green soon.
Any truth to this?
I though Georgia was leading…

by pokernole on Dec 9, 2009 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

Also is Joyner a signing day commit ?

Would be nice to get another high profile recruit to pull the trigger…
 ….Green …. Jones….Joyner….

by pokernole on Dec 9, 2009 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

Most of us follow Coley's tweets...

…but for those that don’t…

CoachColey: MiNDSET? "Im going back to Cali… Cali… Cali…. Im goin back to Cali – WE WILL DOMINATE!!!!!

CoachColey: Headed to LA – On a Secret 007 Mission – My name? James… James Coley – “Quantum Prospect” – ha FSU FSU FSU

I love this guy’s energy!

by soliman on Dec 9, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

wonder if he's visiting with Harris again

Harris apparently liked his Ole Miss visit a lot.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The only other LA area prospect with an offer...

…per TOS is 4 star TE Christian Thomas.

Does anyone know of any others HS or JUCO guys, maybe El Camino?

by soliman on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Reiley is also out there....

Can’t have enough safeties…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn’t think so. hes got his official this weekend.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Wanna see Urban cry?

If Coley and Jimbo find a way to pull Powell (very doubtful) and Elam (lots of smoke), we just might see it…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't promise PT

you tell them you are better then what we’ve got and you’ll get the chance to PROOVE it in spring ball.

"You play to WIN the GAME"

by fsugrizz on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but I believe Jimbo said he puts it more like

“you’ve got what it takes to compete…the best person will get the job”…He addressed this on Jeff Cameron’s show and said you can’t tell how a player will develop from one season to the next in a college program, and players will start thinking, “well if he’s going to do that to them, he might do that to me”.

by jasonole59 on Dec 9, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a beast

His enthusiasm is contagious, awe-inspiring, and even a little scary.

by Rock_and_Nole on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Was about to post this myself

Wonder who he’s going after.
Maybe a visitor from Hawaii coming to LA?

Stay classy, Tallahassee!

by EConquered on Dec 9, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Tennesee HOSTESSES....wink ..wink

Any chance we could get steal some of their recruits?

by pokernole on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Tenn

the dirtiest program…in just one year under kiffen. nice!

by fsudude on Dec 9, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

they've always been dirty

how do you convince a somoan lineman from hawaii to move the the smokey mountains?

by garnetandgold on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

True.

Plus, some school eventually had to step up and challenge Arizona State for Skankiest Student Body.

by Drew J Jones on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya think?

One week he’s all about them Noles. The next, he’s all about them Vols. Not long ago, there were pictures of these “hostesses” with recruits during their visits to Knoxville, making its rounds on the internet.

by CSI Nole on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa

you stole my joke. Check the fanshot.

It’s alright, though. It’s a pretty common joke. :)

by NolenRyan on Dec 9, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Tenn

is one of the nicest state i’ve been to in the US. If i had to move anywhere that would be my 1st choice. Interesting article here. I wonder if kiffin will ever get in serious trouble

by Cee on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and how old are you?

i don’t think tennessee’s beauty is quite what most 18 year old kids are looking for.

by garnetandgold on Dec 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm 27

No sarcasm this time.

Lived in texas for 3 months. I’m back in PA now. On my way to Texas i stopped in a bunch of different states. Some were awful, some were pretty nice. Got a flat tire, so we stopped at a small town in Tenn. We were chatting with the locals for awhile. I love the temperature there , people are nice , roads looked fine.

I didn’t like texas at all. I was between austin/san antonio in smaller town called New Braunfels. The weather was awful. Way too hot and humid. I thought it would be dryer air so it wouldn’t feel to bad. But i was too far east. Apparently west texas has the less humid air.

by Cee on Dec 9, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

come back this way thru

Oklahoma and i’ll take care of you.

What we do in life, echoes in eternity.

by Okinole on Dec 9, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

never been

to oklahoma. I still got a few years of life left to make it there tho .

by Cee on Dec 9, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I drove to Nashville from Miami for the Music City Bowl

and I agree, I thought Tenn was beautiful.

27 years myself. Granted, I was enjoying the scenery, while most of these kids have different thins in mind.

by Miaminole on Dec 9, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

how long was the trip?

PA to Texas was 26 hours. Was cool to do once. But i don’t think i wanna make that trip ever again lol.

I had the best food in my lifetime in memphis, tn. Some bbq place that wins awards year after year. It was a small mom and pops shop. We were talking to the owner. Love those kind of places.

by Cee on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

mmmmmm

bar b q……

What we do in life, echoes in eternity.

by Okinole on Dec 10, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Eric Humphrey

My son (freshmen) played football with Eric this year at Parish High School in Dallas. My wife is also an asst. principle there so we know Eric very well. I think it is a done deal that he will go to school some place close to home (UT, OU or Arkansas are the leaders). Its to bad we didn’t get on him earlier as he will be a big time player.

by dallasnole on Dec 9, 2009 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Did Gran recruit Delvin Jones?

If we get one palmetto player we might as well try to get the other.

by marlins44 on Dec 9, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

thats my highschool

I hate watching those guys go to anywhere but FSU….blech!

by Miaminole on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Too sweet

Its so nice to see change happening so fast it seems. This last year seemed so long. Also what is so great about taking as many players for the front 7 is a great idea so that we can make sure we get good players in if some can do it. Downs and CJ last year feels like it hurt because we didnt have others to back it up. Seems like we will now. I like going after JuCo guys for a temp fix tell we can get the Fr. in and get some exp and weight on them.

I know this is going to be a Def strong year for us but how are we looking for WR. we only have 2 more years with most and need to get a few to fill because we will be hurting when easterling and reed leave.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Dec 9, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

green,dent,shaw,djj,

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

dent should play DB. Haggins WR

We also got Smith and Haulstead last year.

We’re looking good with WR.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

3 jrs and 2 soph. i dont think there is any srs.

I agree with you on dent.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i knew i was forgetting somebody, haggins(thanks)

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Im just not a fan of having 2 So as the starting WR.

would rather have at least one Sr each year, 1 Jr and some fillers in there. thats all I was thinking

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Dec 9, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

reed, fortson, easterling will be the starters and they will be jrs.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Per ESPN...

We’ve heard this all along but I hope he sticks…

Seminoles ESPNU 150 pledge Telvin Smith looking around

Four-star outside linebacker Telvin Smith (Valdosta, Ga./Lowndes) updated ESPN affiliate Web site GatorCountry.com on the latest surrounding his recruitment.

“I’m still committed to Florida State,” he said. “But at the same time I’m seeing if somewhere else might be a better fit.”

Smith has already made a visit to Georgia and will likely set up a date with Florida along with the Seminoles.

by soliman on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

we have a pretty young ol. hudson might be the only loss.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

me either. just think out of the 5, he might be the 1.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

No way would he leave early

He finished the season hurt remember?

Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!

by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe i worded it wrong. i dont think he is leaving. just out of the five, he would have the best shot of getting drafted.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hudson isn't going anywhere

He’s too small by NFL standards. He needs to gain weight. Next year though he will be a top pick.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

And Cromartie didn't even play the year he entered the draft

I don’t get your point. I think if Hudson gets back a good draft report, he’s gone. He’d be foolish not to.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Cromartie played a flashy position and was considered a "new breed" of CB with his height/speed combo

Rodney is undersized, will play C in the NFL (hasn’t played it at FSU consistently), and plays one of the less-flashy OL positions (G- OTs get the attention in the 1st round). He didn’t play in the finale, which would have gotten him a ton of exposure with all the NFL scouts watching the Gator players.

There is a discrepancy there. Get my point?

Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!

by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not playing the final 2 games of the season has no impact on his draft status

He will be 100% by the time the combine rolled around and he is a known commodity among scouts. It’s not like he was hoping to use that game to get some notoriety.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see soon, won't we?

You are the only one I’ve seen pushing the notion that he’ll leave early…

Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!

by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Hudson isn't going anywhere

I think you meant to say he would be foolish to enter the draft. He needs more weight plain and simple. Comparing Cromartie to Hudson isn’t even a fair comparison. Hudson will be here next year guaranteed.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I correctly said what I intended

I prefaced it with if Hudson gets back a good draft report. So I stand by what I said.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh he'll get a good draft report for sure

and then they will say you need weight. He has to weigh 325 minimum. I also stand by what I said Hudson will be here next year guaranteed.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't have to weight 325...

Because then he will be cut by any team. He doesnt have the room for another 35 pounds and he would lose all sorts of flexibility and mobility.

by Nole93 on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Mobility will not be lost at all.

He weighs about 300 right now. To play center where I think he will go he needs to be 325. This is the ideal weight for an NFL center with his height. He’s a bit undersized right now.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What the heck are you talking about?

Centers are by far the thinnest of the OL in the NFL. Jeff Faine is a pretty good center. He’s 6’3" 291.

325?

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Listen we could go on and on

but we will just go in circles. Centers are usually the smallest hence my thoughts he will move to center. Don’t take my words out of context. 325 is his ideal weight. Rodney is not going anywhere case closed.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

325

Is not close to his Ideal Weight im not even sure 310 is that guy would be fine at 305 as a center.

by 21nole24 on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So 325 isn't Faine's ideal weight? I don't get it

The 2008 All Pro team had

Kevin Mawae (6’4" 289)
Shaun O’Hara (6’3" 303)

Hudson needs to weigh 325? That’s not taken out of context. You literally said “he has to weight 325 minimum”.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for looking up other players.

I was too lazy but i knew that many great ones didn’t weigh 325.

by Nole93 on Dec 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Centers are usually undersized

Hence the opinion he will move to that position. Hudson has had minimal work as a center. He actually got better when he was flipped to guard and that’s where he best fits in IMHO. He will never have the size to play tackle. If he can’t put on some weight then he will move to center. 325 actually is a bit high now that I think about it tricknole I give you that. 315 then when he comes out. Hudson has also publicly stated he would love to finish his career at FSU and see how good this line can become. *waves at FSUjab.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ridiculous statement. Hudson'd ideal weight is not 325.

I don’t think he’ll leave, but that is ridiculous.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Dec 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I changed my opinion on that

I think he weighs 315 when he comes out.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree that he needs to be 315 to get drafted

But if you’re saying he can get to that weight and maintain his effectiveness, I can’t argue. I don’t know one way or the other.

I would think he’d be near the top of the list of centers coming out this year (since that’s where everyone’s projecting him. I’m no NFL scout but the reasoning seems sound.)

If he’s told he may be the first center taken, don’t you think he’d be foolish to stay? That’s what I meant by “good draft report”. Centers usually don’t go 1st round, so you could use that as a reason for him returning his senior year. But he also wouldn’t be likely to improve much upon a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he is considered one of the top centers in the 2011 draft, simply because centers don’t get drafted highly.

Just some thoughts.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

By "since that's where everyone's projecting him"

I mean at center, not “near the top of the list of centers coming out this year”.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't need to be 315 to be drafted

that’s just what I am projecting his weight at. Hudson is the best guard right now in college football. Centers though don’t just hike the ball. They also make line adjustments which is something Rodney will have to learn in the NFL if someone decides to move him. I am basing my opinion on whether or not Hudson will be at FSU by comments made by Hudson, where I think he will be drafted, and who else is coming out in the offensive line positions this year. He will get a good draft report, but I think he will stay. By the way we’re all good tricknole, didn’t mean our conversation to be interpreted as being heated. A good debate is always good and I respect everyone’s opinion on this board.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No hard feelings

As soon as I saw you correct your stance on the 325, I knew I was making progress. lol

I’ll change my stance, too. I think if he’s told he’d be a 1st day pick, he should go. The odds of him being a 1st rounder with a dynamite senior season are slim. The NFL doesn’t usually take centers first round. And I don’t know how much 2nd rounders make right now, but it’s almost assured to be less in 2011 than in 2010.

If he’s not told 1st day, he should stay.

I think he would prefer to stay, but if he’s told he’s the top center or 2, he might go. This isn’t Tebow, Bradford or McCoy (although only Bradford is an NFL QB out of those 3 in my eyes) where they all had a shot at winning a national title by returning.

As ThruandThru said, “we’ll see” what happens. I wasn’t proclaiming anything I said to be fact. I qualified it all with “if” and “I think”.

I would love for him to return, but if it’s in his best interest to go, he better go.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

"Come inside for much more!"

Thats what she said.

"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"

by FSUvaFan on Dec 9, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Haha! I thought about posting the exact same thing...

but then I figured vafan would handle it for me. :)

by FSUjab on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what she said.

:)

"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"

by FSUvaFan on Dec 9, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think it works here

Thats what she said

:D

"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"

by FSUvaFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, good info SOM.

"if we try to leave may God send angels to guard the door"

by FSUvaFan on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

If this pans out, this is amazing news!
Joyner’s mentor’s facebook status after the visit: Just had Jimbo Fisher head of FSU in my crib with coach Odell and Cooley. Had a great time. I think I see a tomahawk chop in my future…maybe

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by geoffissiffoeg on Dec 9, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Per scout.com on Joyner

“I have narrowed my choices down to two schools,” Joyner said this morning in a phone interview. “I’m considering the Florida Gators and the Ohio State Buckeyes. Things are starting to fall into place for me, and I’m seeing things a lot clearer at this point.”

“I have eliminated Florida State and Notre Dame,” Joyner admitted. “There’s nobody I respect more than Bobby Bowden and there was always a thought for me that I might want to play for him.”

Jimbo 2010

by NCNole99 on Dec 9, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously this conflicts

with the facebook status. What’s the deal with this kid. Drama queen? The gators aren’t even supposed to be a factor. This makes even less sense with Charlie Strong leaving and possibly bringing some of UF’s staff with him. Perhaps this kid likes the attention and has a flair for the dramatic and will pull a “shocker” on NSD? It doesn’t add up.

Jimbo 2010

by NCNole99 on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

We have already addressed this.

See the ESPN article where LJ said this was not true.

by MattDNole on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Guess I missed that.

Sorry about that. When was it addressed or when was the espn article written?

Jimbo 2010

by NCNole99 on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey I'm sorry.

I was just guilty of one of the things I hate about other places. “omG such a noob lol.”

Sorry again, there is no way you could have seen that Fanshot, it’s on the 3rd page.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/12/2/1182359/under-armour-all-american-lamarcus#comments

by MattDNole on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

No worries Matt.

I saw that fanshot last week. I was under the impression that the scout article was more recent. My buddy that is a UM guy sent me the Joyner article yesterday. I should have known better.

Jimbo 2010

by NCNole99 on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Lamarcus Joyner (Fort Lauderdale, Fla./Saint Thomas Aquinas) said earlier Wednesday that reports of him eliminating Florida State from consideration were not true, but that one team had dropped off his list because of coaching turnover, ESPN’s JC Shurburtt reports.

“I have eliminated Notre Dame,” the five-star ESPNU 150 cornerback said. “But Florida State is still in it.”

by marlins44 on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that a recent article?

I thought that was the article that caused all the fuss about a week ago and Joyner said it wasn’t true?

by Polk Nole on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

it was from yesterday or the day before.

But there is an article today listing Fsu as a finalist along with UF and Ohio State. It also mentions the in home visit.

Jimbo 2010

by NCNole99 on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I say Joyner goes to FSU

and Elam joins him so that he can play with Luc & Joyner
Will help if we can name the DC.

by NoleLaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

that would be nice

Maybe hes messing with UF, maybe hes just playing games. This is a 17 or 18 year old that is a top recruit right now. Hes a cleb over night for the most part. Take all that he says and what is said about him with a grain of salt. If he come great but if he wants to play games then hes not worth the headache IMO

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by Desman on Dec 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's more

about “uncle” Genron than Joyner…

by Polk Nole on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If Fisher and Dawsey are visiting Shaw today

They might as well stop by and see Christian Jones too.

by NoleLaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

;) indeed

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

As usual

Great job FSUSOM and he rest of the guys all over recruiting aka NoleThruandThru, SWFLNole and DA-2. Now on to my thoughts…..DL Eric Humphrey would be a great pickup. This kid has great size, but will be tough to pry from that area. All the usual suspects are involved with this kid OU, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, etc. I’m with you though in that we have a chance. We really need some luck to bounce our way concerning the defensive line. If Deas doesn’t qualify and Dorsey ships to Ole Miss things will be very ugly at that position. I’ve said it over and over again but Joyner is a stud, would love to get him on campus. Also high on Christian Jones and would love to see him in this class. Rajion Neal IMHO is not needed. We are pretty loaded at RB and with Gran coming in I think he cleans that position up and improves a lot of the guys we have. I’m good with taking one rb this year and then raiding the cupboard next year. Rogers I think is just being taken because of Luc, but I think will be a non-factor if he comes here. Once again good job guys!

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by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Pretty much agree

The one RB this year, though, is Smiley. No need for for anyone unless he’s named Marcus. As for LBs, I don’t want to take Rogers. We took 2 of Luc’s teammates already and have apparently offered some others preferred walk on spots. I’d like to keep who we have and add Jones and Akuna. Think we can land 6 LB without one of them being Rogers? I don’t know.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy? Not really

I don’t think we need anymore RBs. We have Smiley. We need defensive help before adding a 7th RB to the roster.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But in terms of trimming some "fat"

If a certain player is always in Jimbo’s doghouse then why wouldn’t you expect a transfer? I think Jimbo likes a stable of backs and will never be satisfied with what he has. If Gainer is in this class I won’t be disappointed.

"You play to WIN the GAME"

by fsugrizz on Dec 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll be the New Orleans of college football.

A bunch of weapons in the backfield and not one 1000 yd rusher.

by jasonole59 on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that a bad thing?

To be the USC’s of the world (each back has his “own” formation lol)….or the Saints at 12-0 with an offense no one can stop?

"You play to WIN the GAME"

by fsugrizz on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows what Gran wants to do?

Who knows what our current RBs are going to do? I don’t care if we get Gainer in this class. That’s it. I don’t think we need him. If a RB leaves, we’d have 6 instead of the 7 I said. Not much of a difference.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We have room.

There is a fanshot saying we have room to take 32: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/12/9/1193239/32-next-class#comments
We currently have 16 (if everyone stays), so how are you going to fill the next 16?
1. Deas (if he qualifies)
2. Elam (if he switches)
3. Jones
4. Joyner
5. Akuna
6. Green
7. Lemonier
8. Shaw
9. Wayne Dorsey
10. Mitchell
11. Eric Humphrey ?
12. J.R. Ferguson?
13. Vince Sanders?
14. Robert Johnson?
15. Damien Robinson?
16. Gainer? or Neal?

If you take that list, we get all of the recruits that we have been talking about, add 2 more DLs in Humphrey & Ferguson, grab 2 more WRs in Johnson & Sanders, steal Elam, assume Deas qualifies, add an OL in Robinson, and assuming we hit that grad slam, there is still room for Gainer or Neal as RBs. If Deas doesn’t qualify, a LB switches, we can’t steal Elam or win Mitchell or one of the others doesn’t happen—if any of those things come to pass—then we can take both Neal and Gainer.

You have to keep in mind that Smiley is a JUCO, which leaves us with no freshmen RBs. We can redshirt Neal or Gainer or both. JMO

by NoleLaw on Dec 9, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you need a freshman RB?

I don’t think you do. Smiley, Thompson and Pryor would all be sophomores. Then recruit 2 RBs next year. My thing is, don’t take an RB just to take one (or two). We aren’t lacking depth like we were when we took Secord at QB. There’s no reason to take an RB unless we think they are a very good RB. I don’t know if I think Gainer or Neal are there.

As for the “room for 32” thing, I agree we could “make” the room, but are there really 16 prospects out there we have a good shot at landing? On your list of 16, I don’t see us landing #11-15. All the rest are possible, but obviously THE best case scenario.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

With Jones

Look at what Mushchamp at Texas used to do with Sergio Kindle, now Kindle played mike backer but on sure passing downs he moved him to end to get after the QB. Both are physical freaks with the upside and potential to be moved all over the field to create mismatches.

by 21nole24 on Dec 9, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

I'd take Randall 100x before Bridgewater (MNW-->going to UM anyway)

IMO Bridgewater is a freak athlete who was put at QB to make plays. Randall is a true passer who can run the ball too—like Ponder. So many of his passes on the video are absolute darts…even when running. I think LeMay is the best 2011 HS QB, but if we missed on him I’d still be plenty happy with Randall.

I know Coach Drummond’s Youtube video of Bridgewater is sophomore film, but what year is Randall’s?

by NOLEinTX on Dec 9, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

I like Brissett #2

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Dec 9, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be happy if it's even ready by the spring. Those guys can put it up whenever.

It takes a good bit of work to put that thing together. You can always modify over time, but to start from scratch takes a while and these guys aren’t exactly getting anything in return besides gratification of helping us, the lay Seminole fans, out.

by NOLEinTX on Dec 9, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

make sure Tim Jernigan makes the list

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh c'mon SWFLNole

you know him. Lake City DL. Most think he won’t be a Nole. I think he is one of the top DL’s in the state next year. Visited at Seminole Showtime last year.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=2&c=868967&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2frecruiting.scout.com%2f2%2f868967.html

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I thought you would know I was joking

I think he is the best player in the State, regardless of position.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

whew thought my Dad was the only one who needed to put down the bong.

scared me. *punches self in face

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Randall's video has me drooling

The man (boy?) looks like Jim Brown when he’s running the ball and that arm is a cannon.

by CelticPride on Dec 9, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously recruiting is picking up and we have a lot of high profile targets left but...

I can’t help but notice that our class currently is still well below the top tier programs’ classes (UF, Texas, Bama, etc). We have a lot of 3* recruits when UF is bringing in nearly all 4*s. I definitely believe this will change by next year’s class, and we are putting together a good class now, but do we really feel that we are going to be able to pull in a class that has the talent to put us back at the top?

Last year’s class was a top 10, but we probably won’t ever see three of our 4*s (Phillips, Mizzell, and Downs) in G&G, so I am not certain that that class is as good as first expected.

I understand the rankings of players isn’t everything, we want guys to fit what we are trying to do, I get that. However, the best teams do get the best recruits, and while I think we are making giant steps toward accomplishing that goal, I am wondering if we will have to wait until 2011 to land our first blockbuster class that builds that incredible depth of talent.

What do yall think?

by moneyNOLE24 on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

this class really has a shot at being blockbuster.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

1. EVERYBODY gets guys that don’t qualify or blow it when they get there, so it’s not like we’re the only ones. I think rivals re-ranks the previous years class after the next season…who contributed, got hurt, didn’t qualify etc.

2. Most of our remaining targets are 4starts or better. It’s going to be a nailbitter, but we could finish anywhere from 25 to to 10 again based on how we close on guys.

3. Either way, there will be enough talent on hand provided we sure up depth at LB, CB and DT, so that ANY respectable Defensive staff should do at least half as well as we did in total defense this last year.

4. You are right to look to the future (2011). The coaching staff is already on that with 4 committs and more soon to come.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Dec 9, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think recruiting great talent is huge for being an elite school, but...

we’ve lacked competent coaching for some time now. We have pulled in a good number of elite prospects over the past few years, but if you can’t develop a player then they go nowhere. For sometime FSU has been much like an intramural squad. You just look for great talent in your dorm and hope everyone can come out and play together, but you don’t expect to get much better over the course of the season because there is no coaching or productive practice.

Look at this year’s team. Bradham is an absolute wrecker, but he is operating solely on physical ability. We’ve said it a million times in the game thread how our LBs overrun plays and aren’t disciplined. That is where a decent LB coach will come in. Markus White (who may’ve had the skills to be something) is flailing wildly out of the play—where is his DE coaching?

We need depth at DL and LB now, so that is paramount for us, but without coaching the guys we get will just be bodies to plug holes—the wrong holes most time, unfortunately.

by NOLEinTX on Dec 9, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo

we have good talent now its is just not being coached right. On top of that we are getting a good group it looks like. Right now IMO we need to get coaches here that can coach there butts off. We have the recruiters here and offense teachers we get a Def teacher to get these guys back in line we are back in biss. we dont need to worry about NC hunting right now but taking back the ACC is #1 when we do that the Top recruits will be back and then we can have the best talent, coaches (both teachers and recruiters), and fans back on board winning games. Look at what JF, Coley, and Trickett has done with the 3* guys they got on Offense. The right coaches can do the same on Def. Will that happen we will know when the next DC is picked.

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by Desman on Dec 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know White has great athletic ability

But honestly he doesn’t look that fast from what i’ve seen.

by Nole93 on Dec 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't look that physical from what I've seen, kind of soft

I see Markus White in Wayne Dorsey’s clips. Hope, if he comes here, I’m wrong.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, our class isn't as strong, top to bottom, as those others

But, we don’t really need it to be, either. As of right now, their backups are as good/better than our starters. But if we can get our starting lineup as good as theirs (because obviously all 85 can’t play at once), we will again be the class of the ACC. Just as importantly, we need the coaches to coach this talent. For THIS recruiting cycle, that’s arguably more important than the recruits.

Once all of that comes together a little bit more, and we start hitting that 10 win mark again, THEN we’ll be able to recruit like those schools again.

UF, for example, will lose a ton: QB – the anointed one, OL, TE, WR, DL, LB, CB, S(?), their DC (and good recruiter) and he may possibly take along their CB coach and WR/recruiting coordinator. That’s major. You saw what happened to USC this year when they lost roughly the same amount of players and coaches. If all of that happens, expect the same at UF.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Nigel Terrell is taking a visit to Colorado this weekend.

This kid’s character is tip top (judging from Bud’s interview) and I’d hate to lose him to a school that seems to go nowhere every year. I know we shouldn’t be up in arms at the first hint a commit is taking an official somewhere. Any of the recruiting gurus have informed opinions on how firm his commitment is? It’s listed as “soft” verbal, but haven’t heard anything about him in forever.

by NOLEinTX on Dec 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Joyners moms facebook...

cracks me up thats where we get info from but thats the most concrete I’ve seen on LJ in a while.

Thats great work by whoever is facebook stalking not only 17 year olds but their mothers!

by econole23 on Dec 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Oops...

The post below was supposed to be a reply to this…

by soliman on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

1.5 ton?

that should fill a few gaps on DL

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

eric young

listed at 6’3, 350 (he must have dropped a few since the last time i checked)

by 000111 on Dec 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

thats all afro

but are we still after him?

by 000111 on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

OOOOOOWEEEEE

Serious rebuilding year in Gunsville

Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!

by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Respect??? Respect???

Come on ya’ll, we talkin’ bout respect!

by Polk Nole on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't qualify.

Is now committed to Tennessee.

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't qualify?

Wow, I could’ve sworn he qualified but got kicked our or something. And I’m not confusing him with Davis, either. lol

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Tenn

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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Rainey will never make it in the NFL.

I also wonder why he wants to come out? He’s not strong, he’s not physical, so unless there is a 5 yard hole for him to run thru he won’t do squat.

Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
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by ItaliaNole on Dec 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Carl's Jr Johnson?

Hernandez?
Wright?
Hayden?
Dunlap?
Cunningham?
etc.?

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully we get a snowball effect here.

Some guys won’t want to hang around and “rebuild” while their buddies are pulling in serious coin.

Hernandez, Dunlap, and Hayden might all be guaranteed 1st rounders = should be gone. Don’t know about Major Wright, probably dependent on draft grade. Black is kind of like PK Sam for us; not a huge prospect, but no room for improvement, with potential to slide with the unit’s overall drop in performance.

by arrdub on Dec 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Wright should stay

Especially if Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones both leave. Jones should grade out higher than any safety besides Berry and Mays once the season is over due to his “triangle” numbers. Dunlap probably should spend next year getting paid as opposed to being in Meyer’s doghouse (Can’t trust that guy). Black has never been a favorite at UFAG, so his dad’s comments are no surprise. Regardless, this is a perfect opportunity to pounce. I don’t get TOO excited at commitments since they not binding til NSD, but the star are beginning to align, I must say

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Triangle?

Maybe Wright should learn to play the cymbals.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Triangle numbers: Height, weight and 40 time

NFL player personel directors get burned by them all the time (See: Gholston Vernon). Jones is taller, and bigger than Wright and has better range in most scouts eyes. Wright would be better served coming back instead of coming out now and being outclassed by guys who are better physical specimens. The league is only gonna draft so many safetys anyway. Harry Coleman for LSU is a pro safety as well and Jones dwarfs him size and ability wise

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are all 3 important numbers

When they are not the sole basis of evaluation.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

Those numbers are why someone like a Troy Williamson(?) goes top ten(Only Randy Moss, Andre and Calvin Johnson had better computer numbers for WR’s I believe). Wright, will be the 5th safety picked without a great combine showing. Not enough cash in that come out (Chris Horton started 16 games for Wash. in ’08 and was a 7th round pickup) Haden is a different story however.

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah. Bill Cervone will employ the Chewbacca defense to get Dunlap off and all will be forgiven by Urban.

But expect Carlos to sit the first quarter of the Miami of Ohio game next season as Urban’s forgiveness does come with a heavy price tag.

"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright

by O-Town Nole on Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Mr. Black

Maybe Will Hill started over your son because he was better, ever stop to think about that?

Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole

by ItaliaNole on Dec 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty classy of Carter

I wish him the best of luck. Stroud, too. He seemed to do what was asked of him.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always loved Dex

not necessarily as a coach, but as a guy

by garnetandgold on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

"He doesn’t have to give me a reason and he didn’t," Carter said. "He’s going in a different direction. He’s not bringing people in who aren’t qualified. They can coach."

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So Dex

A different direction, like… winning games? They can coach? So what you’re saying is, the ones that were let go, couldn’t?

by CSI Nole on Dec 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Our RBs played pretty well...

…I think Gran’s hiring is more about recruiting than coaching regardless of his pedigree with RBs. I appreciate Dex for being a man about it. Dex will get another shot at another school. IMO he did us a favor coming in to replace Sexton.

by soliman on Dec 9, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it appears Carter was stating that he wasn't the best guy for the job

and from my understanding he didn’t get along with Amato or Allen, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he said they couldn’t coach.

But I thought he responded to that question well.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I took it more like he was saying it not like he was getting replaced by some scrub

It would be like someone like chad pennington getting mad that the jets acquired Brett Favre and let him go. You might not like it but you gotta respect it.

by nappygoat on Dec 9, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

be nice to get a commit to honor this wrot.

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting tidbit on Corey Miller:

(posting this twice because it deserves it!) here’s a fun little tidbit from Corey’s facebook:

So his profile pic is him without a shirt on. Yesterday, Ericka Butler (identified as one of the Tennessee HOstesses) wrote this:

“put some clothes on baby corey!!..lol”

“lol… :~)”

To which I say…..

….. GET IT COREY!!!!

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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Someone commented on that? HA!

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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Think Jimbo will be bringing this ASSpect of SEC infrastructure to FSU?

Doubt it. Tenn. has reached a new level of low. Apparently the girls are members of a group called “Orange Pride” which is funded by the school.
http://deadspin.com/5422400/tennessees-hostess-program-catches-recruits-and-ncaas-eyes
Some think that sending these girls across state lines will be unable to be proven or that it doesn’t amount to much because the girls are paid hourly by the admissions office.
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2009/12/09/ncaa-probes-tennessee-hostesses/
Now I ask you… if we were to employ Deion, T-Buck, and other grads and pay them through the admissions office, do you think the NCAA would give them free reign to recruit players without any adherence to the rules???
The last article referenced says

1. Every major college football program has a hostess program.

They are always attractive, friendly, and “welcoming.” In his book, Meat Market, about Ole Miss’ recruiting machine under Ed Orgeron, Bruce Feldman describes the Ole Miss contingent as jaw-droppingly beautiful.
Does FSU have such a program? I also note the commonality between Ole Miss’s contingent and the Tenn. HOstesses = Ed Orgeron. There have been some rumblings that he may be the next to leave Tenn.’s football staff.

I ask again, does FSU have such a program? Do we have some photos of the FSU girls? I’d like to know because we shouldn’t be losing recruits due to this type of crap. How many students does FSU have? I know that we could have assembled a group to put anything Tenn. has to shame —just from our law school alone.

by NoleLaw on Dec 9, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think all major programs do

but tennessee’s (and apparently south carolinas) go above and beyond.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm in grad school at USC

and I haven’t heard anything about that (as far as being more over the top than anywhere else)…

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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 9, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

There are no violations if the girls meet and greet because the kids are already on a visit.

But it’s not eat out or free delivery. IMO if the girls are travelling, then those are visits. With the investigation, hopefully the NCAA will clarify what is and what is not legit. If it says “no holes barred” then I imagine Jimbo will have Coley go recruit some of the best and they’ll be takin’ lots of road trips. Just kills me to think that recruiting amounts to how many hotties you send to the kid’s school.

by NoleLaw on Dec 9, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

recruiting is dirty to matter where you look

I try to avoid that stuff because it will only make me mad.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a very old SI article...

It talks about UF and even FSU Garnet and Gold girls. I don’t know if they are still around or not…

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1066350/index.htm

by soliman on Dec 9, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It's guides now...

They have some tall black from STA and some southern boy named Omar. The rest are girls. ;)

SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!

by DA-2 on Dec 9, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t think the garnet and gold girls were anything special while I attended FSU (2008 was my last football season).

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we do. They "welcome" each recruit to campus.

Friend of mine was going to join, but then got to involved with other activities on campus.

by basaltrock on Dec 9, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They are called the Spear-it Hunters

Or some crap like that

And when i was there they were of average beauty but very nice

by Trus1te on Dec 9, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Lady Spirit Hunters is something else

Garnet and Gold Guides are the football tour guides or whatever you want to call them. Lady Spirit Hunters is just a student group that supports all athletic groups on campus (attending games, painting faces for kids, etc.)

by NoleFrenzy on Dec 9, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The Lady Spirit Hunters have nothing to do with recruits

My buddy married one. Nice girl, but she runs about a deuce, maybe a deuce and a half…Perfect for West Virginia

by Randall W. Spetman on Dec 9, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

They wear ugly vests with pins on them.

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by Abra'Nole Lincoln on Dec 9, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

G and G girls are the dance team....

So…They are very fine young ladies… But their main purpose is not to attract young men

by Trus1te on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

last 2 Days? MIA, WPB, St LUC, ORL, LA , AUSTIN TX,
from coley
who is visiting is austin? is that holmes or somebody else?

by fsw83 on Dec 9, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

My guess is it's Onwukaife. I don't know of others out here we're seriously looking at.

We’ve been wary of UTexas sneaking him. Need to give the kid some love just to reaffirm his commitment. Cedar Park is less than 30 minutes north of Austin proper.

by NOLEinTX on Dec 9, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Willis

found this on tharinger

“I’m still committed but I’m still open,” Willis said. “I’ll take two more visits to Miami and Cal. After that, I’ll really for sure make my decision.” Willis has taken official visits to Tennessee, North Carolina and UCLA. Willis is one of the players named in the New York Times story Wednesday about an NCAA investigation of Tennessee recruiting practices, specifically the fact that a group of coeds attended the games this season of some Tennessee targets and held up signs aimed at those players encouraging them to sign with the Vols. “Yea, I’ve heard about it but the things that happened weren’t illegal,” Willis said. “We’ve already sat down and talked about it. We’ll see what happens.” Willis confirmed that he had talked with the Tennessee staff about the allegations. “Nothing that happened was inappropriate,” he said. “Of course, they are going to investigate because things like that happen. But, the things that happened, none of that was illegal.” Willis added that the investigation does not influence his thinking about Tennessee. He described his committment to the Vols as “medium. I wouldn’t say soft, I wouldn’t say firm. It’s in between.” Willis graduates early and wants to make a final decision within the next four weeks.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Guess he had his fun while it lasted

Now that UT is under investigation, its best to start looking elsewhere. Like NTAT said, kinda odd how Corey Miller dropped us like a hot coal and became a Vol. One week, he’s a Nole. The next, he’s all about Knoxville. People were assuming $$$ but it could be gifts and an escort service, lol.

by CSI Nole on Dec 9, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Two parts of that that I care about

1. No FSU? Oh well.

2. He’s a MEDIUM verbal; not soft, not firm. LOL…new recruitnik lingo

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I would literally crap my pants if this happens

"That got my attention," Elam said. "I would love to play with Jeff because he’s a great linebacker that makes great plays. Me playing with Jeff could be good."

by marlins44 on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Good article

Had heard the quote and everything, but its good to see a full article on it

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved this TN tweet...
Our recruiting guys exposed the #Vols recruiting sex scandal Sept 13th on message board. Pics & links to come.

Hope these are SFW

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

I don't

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Dec 10, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions  

they will find ways around it

Not much the ncaa can do if the visit includes a visit to check out a “dorm room” if the room is full of pretty girls who are DTF.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 9, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about banning sex on visits

Just the host bullcrap. The football player hosting the recruit will likely know plenty of skanks that will take care of them without the university having to organize it. It just seems like a practice universities shouldn’t be partaking in.

by tricknole on Dec 9, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Jericho Lee

Is this guy 2010 or 2011? I’ve seen him mentioned on here as a 2011 guy, but some have him listed as 2010. I know he’s only in his 3rd year of school but I’ve heard that he is on track to graduate in 3 (which is amazing for a Godby kid).

by Nole Holds Barred on Dec 10, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

so I got some ??? about time lines and rules.

When do the EE have to announce and sign up to make it into school. When do the coaches have to stop recruiting on the road for the holidays. and what all do they have to stop during that time. and when can they start back up.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Dec 12, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

Des, I'd suggest asking on the Big Board

more likely to get a response there from multiple people.

I’m not 100% sure on this, but my understanding is that the paperwork for EEs needs to be filled out by Dec. 18th (this coming Friday). The player though has a couple of weeks to actually sign with the school after than point. Dec. 18th is the deadline so the school can ensure the player’s have met all the academic criteria to pass NCAA regs to enroll early.

re: the calendar, I’m pretty sure someone mentioned it a bit earlier in a different post. It was in this post here.

Understanding Dec/Jan Recruting

The above for the full post. The below quote for the calendar part:

December and January are like Saturday at the Masters, it is moving day. Just shooting par will probably not be enough, you’ve got to post a low number to make everyone else worry. Until December 16th, we are in what is referred to as a wide open contact period, in which coaches are allowed to make unlimited calls to prospects, visit high schools as much as they want, and do further evaluations. Florida State is already trying to do that pulling two very talented players in Jeff Luc and Mike Harris. The deadline for early enrollees to send their paperwork in is December 18th, and FSU is recruiting a number of kids they would like to be EEs. National Signing Day is Feb 4th, and going down to that day without knowing exactly who will be in the class isn’t something the coaches would like to do.

But there is another important date range as well known as the dead period, from December 16th to January 4th. During that period, coaches can only call each prospect one time per week, by NCAA rule. Other things that may not occur during the recruiting dead period include official visits, unofficial visits, evaluations, visits to high schools, or even speeches at banquets. Because the college coaches are so limited in what they can do, the NCAA does do them and their families a favor over the holiday season. It will also allow the college coaches to recharge their battery for a vital month of the recruiting process.

Hope you see this and it helps.

"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi

by RishiM on Dec 13, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Players that we should be going after....

Whats up TB nation…gotta say i love the site…lol its my homepage….just thought i get in the mix of everything for once………so i was just wondering since we are talkinga bout coaches and players….why are we not going after players like….Ronald Powell,Owamagbe Odighizuwa, Carlos Thompson, Jackson Jeffcoat, Gabe King, Sharrif Floyd, Jeffrey Whitaker, Mike Thornton, Carlton Martin, Byran Jones, and teammate to joyner Safety Brian Robinson or even Rashad Knight…All are 4 to 5 star recruits. And with all coaching changes i am only hoping we go after these guys to save our defense.

by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Dec 20, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

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