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How can FSU fill their wide receiver void?

One of my favorite football writers is Matt Hinton, AKA "Dr. Saturday" of Yahoo sports.  Matt consistently cranks our informative posts and a few days before signing day, he posted a look at Florida State's returning offense.  He starts off with a quip about Preston Parker.  Now though, since Taiwan Easterling ruptured his Achilles tendon over the weekend, Parker's departure becomes even more pivotal.  

He then talks about Florida State's talent, proclaims that the talent is probably there, and notes that FSU has produced only one ALL-ACC player since 2005 (Greg Carr, a 2nd teamer in 2006).  He also goes on to say that FSU hasn't had a 1,000 yard wideout or runner since ACC expansion.

Then he starts to talk about the offensive changes at FSU.  In 2008, Jimbo Fisher won ACC Offensive Coordinator of the year as Florida State had the top offense in a very defensive conference.  Here's our total offense chart:

Name Rush Net Rec Yds Touches Total Yards
Smith,Antone 177 792 10 101 187 893
Thomas,Jermaine 69 482 6 48 75 530
Ponder,Christian 119 423 119 423
Richardson,D'Vontrey 35 254 35 254
Jones,Carlton 11 99 11 99
Parker,Preston 10 87 40 372 50 459
Sims,Marcus 23 64 8 45 31 109
Reed,Bert 9 61 23 295 32 356
Givens,Louis 3 32 4 44 7 76
Fortson,Jarmon 1 22 8 137 9 159
Easterling,Taiwan 5 20 30 322 35 342
Gano,Graham 2 16 2 16
Owens,Rod 3 12 15 183 18 195
Surratt,Joe 1 6 1 11 2 17
Paul,Brandon 2 4 2 4
Bradham,Nigel 1 2 1 2
Holloway,Seddrick 1 0 2 5 3 5
Team, 6 -22 6 -22
Weatherford,Drew 5 -26 5 -26
Greg Carr 39 542 39 542
Corey Surrency 12 237 12 237
Caz Piurowski 8 83 8 83
Cameron Wade 3 59 3 59
Josh Dobbie 1 14 1 14
Bo Reliford 1 8 1 8
Team Totals 483 2328 211 2506 694 4834

He notes that Miami also has had the same problems on offense in the area of individual accolades, but then notes something interesting:

Unlike Miami, however, FSU showed some real signs of consistent offensive life last year: The 'Noles led the ACC in scoring by almost a touchdown per game, and even if you remove the fat days against I-AA patsies Western Carolina and Chattanooga, they averaged 29 points against I-A defenses, most since the 2003 conference championship team -- the last time FSU had a legitimate star on offense (devastating running back Greg Jones, before he was injured, as well as All-ACC receiver Craphonso Thorpe), won double-digit games and still held a plausible claim to the title of league hegemon.

I'm glad to see some are taking note. 

Then, as you read the article, he goes on to talk about what FSU's offense should look like in 2008...

Star-divide

He focuses on the losses the 'Noles sustain at the skill positions:

Leading rusher Antone Smith came to Tallahassee as a five-star all-everything; leading receiver Greg Carr was a towering four-star who hauled in nine touchdowns in his first seven games and averaged 21 yards per catch as a true freshman; Parker, while his numbers last year dipped dramatically from a breakout 2007, was still one of the most consistent and versatile players on the offense. Those three accounted for a little over 35 percent of the 'Noles' yards from scrimmage last year.

That's hardly a crippling blow, but based on the hype and production of the returning talent behind that trio, I don't think overestimation is going to be a problem

Then he posts an image of our returning skill position players and includes Easterling and Surrency.  As you know, Easterling is highly questionable for 2009 with a ruptured Achilles and Surrency is unlikely to win his appeal to the NCAA for an additional year of eligibility. 

Assuming both won't play in 2009, our new chart looks like this:

Name Rush Net Rec Yds Touches Total Yards
Smith,Antone 177 792 10 101 187 893
Greg Carr

39 542 39 542
Thomas,Jermaine 69 482 6 48 75 530
Parker,Preston 10 87 40 372 50 459
Ponder,Christian 119 423 119 423
Reed,Bert 9 61 23 295 32 356
Easterling,Taiwan 5 20 30 322 35 342
Richardson,D'Vontrey 35 254

35 254
Corey Surrency

12 237 12 237
Owens,Rod 3 12 15 183 18 195
Fortson,Jarmon 1 22 8 137 9 159
Sims,Marcus 23 64 8 45 31 109
Jones,Carlton 11 99 11 99
Caz Piurowski 8 83 8 83
Givens,Louis 3 32 4 44 7 76
Cameron Wade 3 59 3 59
Surratt,Joe 1 6 1 11 2 17
Gano,Graham 2 16

2 16
Josh Dobbie

1 14 1 14
Bo Reliford 1 8 1 8
Holloway,Seddrick 1 0 2 5 3 5
Paul,Brandon 2 4

2 4
Bradham,Nigel 1 2 1 2
Team, 6 -22

6 -22
Weatherford,Drew 5 -26

5 -26
Team Totals 318 2104

With Surrency and Easterling likely out, FSU loses much more than the 35% of total yards Matt suggests in his article.  In fact, FSU loses 56% of its Total yards from 2008, (376 touches and 2730 total yards). 

So, who will we look to for production? 

Name Rush Net Receptions Yds Touches Total Yards
Thomas,Jermaine 69 482 6 48 75 530
Ponder,Christian 119 423 119 423
Reed,Bert 9 61 23 295 32 356
Owens,Rod 3 12 15 183 18 195
Fortson,Jarmon (6' 3", 230lb 4* 6.0 Rivals #7 ATH '08)
1 22 8 137 9 159
Sims,Marcus 23 64 8 45 31 109
Jones,Carlton 11 99 11 99
Caz Piurowski 8 83 8 83
Givens,Louis 3 32 4 44 7 76
Cameron Wade 3 59 3 59
Bo Reliford
1 8 1 8
Holloway,Seddrick 1 0 2 5 3 5
Paul,Brandon 2 4
Bradham,Nigel 1 2 1 2
Team Totals 318 2104
Name Ht Wt Rivals *
RivalsRat ESPN # ESPNRat
Rodney Smith 6' 6" 202 4* (6.0) #8 WR 80 #20 WR
Willie Downs 6' 2" 192
4* (6.0) #3 ATH 80 #14 ATH
Willie Haulstead 6' 3" 210 4* (5.8) #34 WR 79 #32 WR
Xavier Rhodes 6' 2" 187 3* (5.6) #75 WR 77 #60 WR
Jabarris Little ('08) 6' 4" 245 4* (5.8) #10 TE 75 #38 TE
Avis Commack ('08) 6' 4" 210 3* (5.7) #67WR 77 #74WR

Matt says that FSU is now converting to the "Jimbo Fisher way":

Is clearly more oriented toward running the ball and spreading it around to a lot of different players, two areas where FSU was significantly improved last year.

We discussed Jimbo's extensive use of the depth chart throughout the season and despite our concerns (that Ponder and his wideouts couldn't get in rhythm because the reps were spread too thin), it looks like it might be paying off.  Many players got significant reps last year, and despite losing three more wideouts than we expected (Carr was a senior), those losses might not be as bad because of the valuable experience gained by the backups.

Nobody wants to be in this situation, but there might be some ways FSU can cope with this unfortunate predicament. 

First, Jimbo can increase Ponder's carries.  I am not a fan of this idea, but it is likely to happen some.  Instead of increasing his total workload, I advocate smarter use of Ponder.  He needs to give the ball more often on the zone read, and eliminate the roll-out option.  Teams have now seen how dangerous his legs are and will gameplan to stop his wheels.  Just the threat of Christian running will be enough to make the handoff more effective.  The slightly more than occasional keep will be plenty to keep defenses honest.  The offensive line should be much improved, having almost 90 career starts, and their blocking should be better, allowing for a more effective rushing attack without having to run Ponder and using the RB as the 10th blocker (remember that on a handoff, there are only 9 blockers as the QB stands back out of the play).  Additionally, Ponder must slide on plays where a potential first down is not in question.  Not only will the slide help to preserve Christian, but when a player hits a sliding quarterback, refs often penalize the player 15 yards.  Christian is so sudden that he is sure to draw some of these.  For a guy who is so smart, his refusal to slide is maddeningly stupid.  Jimbo can help here as well.  He needs to call handoffs and not Ponder runs when the game is almost out of reach.  This takes the decision out of Christian's hands.  Also, when the game is effectively out of reach, either in our favor or against, Ponder must be pulled.  If we are up 14 with 7 minutes to go... Pull Ponder.  If we are down 10 with 3 minutes to go... Pull Ponder.  The season is about more than just one game and avoiding situations where he is likely to get hit really hard, via a "pin the ears back" pass rush when we're losing or a cheap shot from a  sore loser when the 'Noles are cruising.  I'd even argue that E.J. should start the Jacksonville State game.

FSU really needs Rod Owens and Richard Goodman to step up and play like 5th year seniors.  Goodman had really started to impress before his injury and Owens has a decent skill set.  The main problem with young but talented wideouts if a lack of rapport with the quarterback and a lack of experience in finding the holes in zone coverage.  Owens and Goodman must be the leaders in this area.

As for the rest of the returning talent... there is a good bit of it.  Bert Reed can continue to be a good slot guy and will be counted on to take that next step.  I think he can turn into a 50 catch 500 yard player this year.  This receiver corps will definitely be a lot bigger this year, however, and that could lead tpo some changes.  Fortson and Commack check in at 6' 3" and 6' 4" respectively.  Both were '08 4* recruits and one must step up.  Commack played sparingly last year and was behind the rookie learning curve while Forston showed promise but needs to become a lot more consistent.  That's expected from a young player.  Both must also improve their work ethics and practice with greater intensity.  If neither Fortson nor Commack step up, FSU could be in trouble.  I think Fortson can emerge as a 40 catch, 550yard type player this year.

This will also be an interesting opportunity for Cameron Wade, a player many think is unworthy of his scholarship and a relic of the nepotism era.  I am one of those people.  If he flops, we can hopefully cut him ask him to transfer and then free up a scholarship.  If he performs, it will be a shock pleasant surprise.

FSU has two promising tight end prospects as well, in Jabarris Little and Bo Reliford.  One of them will likely emerge as a good pass catching threat.  Additionally, we need Tight End Caz Piurowski to emerge as our zone-buster.  He has the experience to sit down in a zone and that is what we will need him to do. 

That is to say nothing of the incoming pass catching options.  Rodney Smith is good enough to make an immediate impact, probably to the tune of 20 catches and 320 yards.  Haulstead should also see some early playing time.  The real question in my mind, however, is Downs.  Everyone expects Downs to play safety based off an excellent performance in the Army All-American allstar game.  With our current situation, however, we might need him to play receiver.  We really need to find one wideout of the incoming class who we can count on to play immediately.

Of course, none of this will matter if teams can defend FSU's run game with 7 in the box, as BC, Wake, and Florida were able to do last year.  The main goal of the FSU offense is to obtain a numerical advantage and play the leverage game.  (If you're a new reader, the Bubble screen isn't a weapon as much as it is a check to keep the defense honest.  if the defense cheats, we throw the bubble.  Teams like BC and Wake could play us honestly, with 7 men in the box, and still crush our run game, thus the bubble was ineffective).

Remember that 8 of Ponder's 12 interceptions came in the 3 games where the opposition knew they could easily stop our running game and devote their entire defense to stopping the pass.  Our offensive line was terrible on non-play action pass protection.  This year they should be better, but this is still a team that needs to run to set up the pass.

Once we get teams cheating against the run and trying to compensate against the bubble, they will be extremely limited in the coverages they can run, and thus our passing game will have a lot more success in 2009.   receiver

Matt left us with this:

In contrast to the youth at receiver, the offensive line returns intact after improving the team's overall yards per carry by a full yard from 2007 to '08; with some help from Christian Ponder's scrambling, the running game was viable on a weekly basis for the first time in years. I'm sure I'll go into more depth on this at some point in the next six months, but for now I'll leave it at this: If the progression into a more rugged, "do your job" kind of offense under Fisher and offensive line coach Rick Trickett continues at that pace, anyone resembling the flashy blazers of yore will be much more of a luxury than they ever were under Mark Richt and Jeff Bowden.

 

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I miss that '03 team now.

Man that 2003 team severely under achieved. If we don’t have that tsunami we probably beat Miami and convincingly. Tell me how Brock Berlin went 2-0 against us? Then we had an ugly loss to Clemson which really started the collapse of our program.

I’m just wondering if the tight end will ever become a major part of our offense. I don’t think we have ever had a truly productive tight end and if Jimbo will make the tight end a legitimate threat of our offense. It seems like we won’t since we will be going to a spread formation.

"You play to win the game, you don't just play to play" - Herm Edwards

by 'Nolefan on Feb 16, 2009 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

Well I think it's important to seperate Jimbo's offense from the past offense

Who has Jimbo had to throw to? Caz is a glorified lineman who can catch some short stuff. Unfortunately, our non-play action pass pro was atrocious and we needed him to block.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 16, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Givens CANNOT CATCH

At all. His hands are horrible.

I do believe he could replace Bert Reed because Bert runs mostly bubble screens but Easterling runs a variety of routes and is really our hands guy, ya know, and Givens simply cannot catch. I do think he should do kick returns.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 16, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

How do we know how well he can catch? I only remember him attempting a catch against Wisconsin?

..of course my memory probably fails me…It’s probably easier to teach him to catch, than to teach someone else to run 4.3.

by jasonole59 on Feb 16, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a reputation for horrible hands

We only run him on Bubbles. Horrible spring game, bad hands in practice, etc.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 16, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

These guys are all exceptional athletes. If they can learn the book, its going to make a difference.

Rodney Smith 6’ 6" 202 4* (6.0) #8 WR 80 #20 WR
Willie Downs 6’ 2" 192 4* (6.0) #3 ATH) 80 #14 ATH
Willie Haulstead 6’ 3" 210 4* (5.8) #34 WR) 79 #32 WR
Xavier Rhodes 6’ 2" 187 3* (5.6) #75 WR 77 #60 WR

Lets just say we wont miss Surrency

by Mr. Seminole on Feb 16, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

I think we will miss Surrency

He was an exceptional blocker.

Saying we won’t miss him isn’t fair to his contributions I don’t think.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Feb 16, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

16 receptions between the two running back?

Do you think it helps to get them in the flats a little more? Or does the bubble screen negate this?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Feb 16, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Also you suggestion

to pull Ponder if you are up by 14 with 7 minutes left worried me a bit. That is a TON of time. One, I think it largely depends on how our defense is playing. I am with you on pulling him if you are up or down comfortably, because I think EJ needs the reps and there is no point in risking Ponder’s health when he takes a beating like he does. Plus, EJ isn’t a huge dropoff say going to Drew Weatherford or DVO or X has been (hopefully). 7 minutes is a long time though.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Feb 16, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

We haven't had EJ play yet though.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Feb 16, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if Jimbo

thinks he can compete for the starting job, he obviously not a huge dropoff from Ponder.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Feb 16, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to wait with EJ

there is going to be a lot of hype for him if he. I hope he can come in get some snaps in games we are up. I dont think hes going to be a huge drop from pounder but Ponder has the EXP. on him and thats more than people might think.

by Desman on Feb 16, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think our running game will be stronger this year.

And I don’t think that we should be that worried about our receivers. We’re losing a decent amount of production but none of those guys exactly took over games. I think if our new guys get the looks, their production won’t lag behind too much from last year.

by mittens on Feb 16, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Ditto

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Feb 16, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

We still appear loaded with WRs and have the Downs option. And God Bless ol’ Antone, but the guy got mysteriously tripped up so often you would have thought his shoes were tied together. JT is going to be huge, think the Miami and GT games… My only concern with him is he sometimes seems a little fragile – stepping out of bounds early and losing consciousness that one time. And then there’s Chris Thompson. We’re good.

by ExpatNole on Feb 16, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

running game gets stronger.

Passing game opens up and pass pro gets better, Pounder can make checks before he has to roll out.

by Desman on Feb 16, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If Rod Owens and Richard Goodman step up, we can put Downs at FS.

That is where he belongs; where he has the most potential.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

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by FSUSOM on Feb 16, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting stuff as always

Now the question becomes, can Ponder take it to the next level, which no Seminole QB has done since Chris Weinke. Rix, Weatherford, X-Lee, etc, all had reason to make us believe, but it’s squarely on Ponder’s shoulders now.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 16, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Nice article

I see Fortson having a break out year, and hopefully Reed can stay out of trouble. I think Avis Commack will contribute this year. I have heard good things about him.

by fsunole23 on Feb 16, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Cameron Wade and Avis Commack

Are these guys ever going to do anything or are they just going to be dead weight for their whole careers?

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 16, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

In my adamant insistance that Willie Downs, even now, would help our team much more on the defensive side than at WR

It’s a fair point to color my interpretation of our incoming WRs as a bit rosy. However, in calling for Downs at WR, I think some are underestimating the impact Willie Haulstead may have and is expected to have this year.

It’s no mistake that he was our #1 target at Wide Receiver for the class of 2009 and one of the reasons we weren’t even talking to Andre Debose until he committed. He’s originally from the Muck, which can only be considered a good thing, as we’ve seen the competitive nature in games, the amazing skills and tenacity that kids from this area consistently show. The one drawback with muck products is size—Haulstead will check in at 6’3 215 lbs. There was another athlete FSU brought in from the muck with these attributes, Anquan Bolden.

Rivals, as evidenced by admitting that they were reluctant to rate CJ Mizell anything higher than they did due to character issues, has shown precedent for such subjective bias. Haulstead had similar, if not worse questions and rumors. This, alongside playing his entire senior year with a bum ankle, could explain that while he was the best receiver in Florida according to Jimbo Fisher and Lawrence Dawsey, that wasn’t the case according to Rivals.

He ran a 4.37 healthy at Friday Night Lights his junior year. For those with the ability, watch his 3rd highlight package on Rivals. Notice his agility and size and breakaway speed on the jet sweeps.

I wouldn’t hasten to consider our receiver situation as gloomy based off of its lack of experience. While not ideal, it was a general consensus before our Christian Ponder-and-his-lack-of-reps-between-him-and-his-receivers as defense for poor offensive play argument, that receiver and runningback and linebacker were the three positions on the field most determined by athleticism and in which freshmen potential could be plugged in immediately.

I think we’ll be much improved with a roster full of archetypal Jimbo receivers:
Jarmon Fortson 6’3 230
Avis Commack 6’4 230 (all but confirmed of this weight by those within our strength program)
Rodney Smith 6’6 210
Willie Haulstead 6’3 215
Chris Thompson 5’8 180
Bert Reed 5’11 170
Richard Goodman 6’0 180
Rod Owens 6’0 180
Josh Gehres 6’1 190

by CaStauch on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Commack is 230?

I don’t really see a ‘gamebreaker’ in that group. Maybe Reed, possibly Thompson. Both will have to step up.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Feb 16, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we need a game breaker. I think if you have enough quality players you are accomplishing the same thing you would if you had on go to player. Teams would have to prepare for everybody rather than one person and I think that fits Jimbo just fine. Obviously all the players listed would need to be of good quality which probably isn’t likely but it is possible.

by evenflow58 on Feb 16, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, maybe I just like to have players that can run away from the defense with ease.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Feb 16, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s strange, I think most people enjoy seeing players caught from behind. ;)

My point is that it’s just a different way of thinking. Not necessarily better or worse, just different.

by evenflow58 on Feb 16, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have a spotlight guy, who thrives in the spotlight.

You’re down 4 late. He knows he’s getting it. They know he’s getting it. We know he’s getting it. And he still pulls it down and beats the coverage. Maybe one of the receivers in the current corps will step up, but it has been awhile since we have had a dominating WR.

I understand the logic of having something like the Fab4: LaSane, Lewis, Dawsey, Anthony… but I’d rather have the stud.

by coonhound on Feb 16, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I've heard

He was also the state champion in the 100 meter hurdles his senior year.

by CaStauch on Feb 16, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

For those wondering about Jarmon Fortson
This guy’s recruitment is going to be heating up significantly over the next several months once more coaches see his wonderful combination of size, strength, quick hands and speed. We can’t imagine what Fortson would be doing if he had a quarterback who could consistently get him the ball in stride. Fortson is a massive target — built like David Boston, only he’s taller. An impressive natural athlete. Has very good height and is very well built — thick and strong. Is a smooth athlete. Shows good initial quickness and can get in and out of his breaks fluidly. He has impressive leaping ability and will make some acrobatic catches on jump balls. Shows good vision, quickness and toughness as a runner after the catch. He flashes quick, soft hands and is natural at extending away from his frame to snag the ball. Will make some catches in traffic. Is tough and aggressive. Not afraid to go over the middle. He has deceptive, competitve speed and excellent foot quickness. Can get on top of defenders quickly because they don’t know how to judge his speed. Due to his size and frame to continue to grow, he could get moved inside as a an H-back or tight end in time, but we think he possesses the skill set to remain a true receiving threat. He could be used in the same way Anthony Mix was for Auburn a few years back. Is a victim of poor quarterback accuracy. Overall, Fortson is big and physical, and you don’t find receivers with his size, speed and change-of-direction skills.

I can’t wait to see what he does when he is a starter. He is going to blow up. I think he is probably the most talented WR we have right now.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Feb 16, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Any idea if can catch?

I seem to think that D’Vo doesn’t have big ol’ mitts.

by The K-Man on Feb 16, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

besides qb

isn’t WR the hardest position to learn in college? in high school the wrs don’t really run advanced routes like they do in college and nfl. Notice how in HS most of the highlight reals are on 5 yrs outs or the swing pass type play.

Reading defenses and consistency in route running are very tough to learn when HS receivers get to the NFL. I wanted to say not many true freshman receivers do well in college. But that seems more accurate for college to nfl switch. With college a lot of those gadget type offenses work so u can get wrs the ball that way. Kinda like harvin and FL.

I remember that freshman wr at southern miss doing well until he got hurt in the bowl game seems his career might be over now. Georgia had a real productive fresh wr also

by Cee on Feb 16, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm care elaborate a bit more Uncensored?

Left tackle surprises me the most. I thought coming in as offensive/defense line that biggest problem the high schoolers had was getting their bodies strong enough to be able to hang with mature college kids.

I know in the NFL , a ton of tackles start their rookie year. Since learning the tackle spot isn’t that tough imo. Maybe i’m missing something?

Rookie WRs in the NFL usually have what 500 yards if they are good the 1st year? Calvin johnson didn’t do much at all his 1st year.

Corner they say you need your best athletes to be there, since the position is so demanding.

by Cee on Feb 17, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant Corner, LT, and DT are the toughest

Rookie WR’s in the nfl have a much tougher time than they do as frosh in college because of the coverages they have to read in concert with a QB. In college, they can dominate via athleticism. Also, QB’s run in college, meaning coverages are simplified as teams need to account for the QB.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what I woild like to see

Pounder at QB with 2 RB Jones and Thomas, Slot WR to the top Reeds inside Ownes out, other side Fortson. Play-action/ zone read, w/ reed fake the bubble wheel and Ownes crack down for Ponder to roll out and run or the other RB is flaring out back side and the top WR on a post. Reed draws the S LB stay in or take the RB Ownes chrack down is crossing the mid big target . Pounder has reed going deep with a good fade or can just take off. and you have about 8 plays out of this all looking the same but with 8 dif looks and will all depend on the DEF.

by Desman on Feb 16, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

It just uses all the ideas that Jimbo likes. It also sets up for plays down the road. Its also like the read plays where the WR brakes off with there the Def reads. I just like the Idea of having 2 RB not a RB and FB in the backfield. Thats 3 Fast guys and no clue which way the run is going to go.

by Desman on Feb 17, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok Des...

Now you have me saying “Pounder” in my head everytime I read something about the quarterback…

It’s gone well beyond the realm of a Freudian Slip… my god man, I think you’ve just discovered a new nickname!

….“late in the 4th, up by 3 touchdowns, FSU has now switched from Christian "Quarter” Pounder to EJ Manuel “Over-ride”"…

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Feb 17, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize to Avis Commack.

Seems like in my head I was equating him with Cameron Wade, who I feel probably would not get a scholarship offer from the current coaching staff if he were being recruited now.

Avis was only a true freshman last year, Wade was in his redshirt freshman season.

Avis, I apologize. Didn’t mean to throw you under the bus so quickly. Hopefully you can perform next season like our redshirt freshman receivers last year did (Easterling and Reed).

by MattDNole on Feb 18, 2009 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

hmm

players read this site?

by Cee on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No clue. Some probably hear what goes on here at times.

I just had a twinge of guilt and thought maybe it’d get back to him.

by MattDNole on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Im sure some do.

this is a fan site so I would want to see what my fans are saying.

by Desman on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt players read this site

If they want to know what the fans are thinking they will read warchant.

I was looking for a good FSU site for a while and I only stumbled over here by complete mistake.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we not fans? Do we not think?

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by FSUSOM on Feb 19, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If you prick us, do we not bleed?

Sadly, a lot of players read the boards at a certain paysite, and more and more I hope and pray they don’t think they’re tapping into the exclusive pulse of the Nole fanbase. If regular goons like us can figure out there’s something going on over there, with boards full of people who are misinformed and who are paying to be misinformed, surely players can too. And it’s only getting worse: When you can get a key injury update off a freaking ESPN crawl in the middle of the afternoon before FSU’s top paysite has barely acknowledged to their subscribers that mat drills are even underway, there are some serious issues.

by TRMNole on Feb 20, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

They do read this site

Toddrick Verdell is a reader.

The whole defense read after I criticized them after the NC State game.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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