Florida State Seminoles Spring Football Preview: The Backfield
Note: Florida State pushed back the start of spring practice to March 16. The Noles were supposed to start on Monday, March 2nd, but Jimbo fisher decided it would be better to start after spring break, which begins on March 9, instead of starting practices and having a long layoff. The spring game will still be on April 4, but now FSU will have two practices after the spring game.
Here's the schedule: March: 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 23, 25, 27, 28, 30. April: 1, 3, 4 (Spring Game), 6, 8
Part One: Florida State's Spring Football Quarterback Battle
In the second part in a series of Florida State spring football previews, we'll discuss the backfield.
Last year, under the direction of ACC Offensive Coordinator of the year, Jimbo Fisher, the Seminoles had the top rated rushing attack in the ACC. This was a huge improvement over the 2007 season which saw the 'Noles finish a pathetic 10th of 12.
| Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) | |
| Team | Off. Rushing S&P+ |
| Florida State | 123.7 |
| Georgia Tech | 122.4 |
| N.C. State |
113.2 |
| Miami |
110.4 |
| Boston College |
101.9 |
| Maryland |
96.6 |
| Virginia Tech |
96.0 |
| North Carolina |
93.7 |
| Virginia |
93.5 |
| Clemson | 88.5 |
| Duke |
84.7 |
| Wake Forest | 79.2 |
Click the link in the table header for an explanation of those numbers.
Let's take a look at what the 'Noles will need to do to equal last year's proficient rushing attack.
| Opponent (ACC Games Only) | Rushes | Net |
|---|---|---|
| Wake Forest(3-12) | 28 | 102 |
| Miami (Fla.)(41-39) | 52 | 330 |
| North Carolina St.(26-17) | 45 | 138 |
| Virginia Tech(30-20) | 38 | 89 |
| Georgia Tech(28-31) | 36 | 196 |
| Clemson(41-27) | 36 | 266 |
| Boston College(17-27) | 24 | 73 |
| Maryland(37-3) | 42 | 172 |
NOTE: The above numbers include sacks.
4.3 yards per carry, including sacks, is very good.
Here's a breakdown of the individual rushing performances. I have crossed off the guys the 'Noles will lose due to graduation, discipline, or injury.
| Florida State 2008 Individual Rushing (ACC Games) |
||
|---|---|---|
| Name | Rush | Net |
| 104 | 418 | |
| Thomas,Jermaine | 31 | 279 |
| Ponder,Christian | 91 | 299 |
| 23 | 134 | |
| Jones,Carlton | 5 | 20 |
| 7 | 67 | |
| Sims,Marcus | 21 | 61 |
| * Reed,Bert | 3 | 13 |
| * Givens,Louis | 2 | 24 |
| * Easterling,Taiwan # |
4 | 17 |
| * Owens,Rod | 3 | 12 |
| Team Totals | 294 | 1344 |
Note: Ponder had 174 yards in sacks, which are included in his total.
* Player is not a backfield member but is likely a wide receiver
Players who will not be playing in 2009 are crossed through.
# Player is injured and will not participate in spring practice, but may play in 2009.
Florida State is losing roughly 245 carries and about 1200 yards on the ground.
The Seminoles must replace Antone Smith's production.
via i.a.cnn.net
Many don't think Antone was very good. I think he was a good college back. He was never great, but he was decent. Smith struggled to learn the Seminoles zone run scheme, which is not difficult to learn. He never seemed natural out there. I will always remember him for his huge effort in the Miami win.
| Game (ACC Only) | Rushes | Yds |
|---|---|---|
| Wake Forest | 8 | 24 |
| at Miami (Fla.) | 27 | 92 |
| at North Carolina St. | 20 | 89 |
| Virginia Tech | 9 | 57 |
| at Georgia Tech | 9 | 35 |
| Clemson | 8 | 57 |
| Boston College | 10 | 19 |
| at Maryland | 13 | 45 |
| Totals |
104 | 418 |
That's about 4 yards per carry in ACC play. There's a hidden advantage to losing Smith, however, and that is variance. Smith was a boom or bust back.
63 104 carries in ACC play. He gained 481 yards and lost 63 yards. That's a pretty high loss number for having only 104 carries. Smith gained 5.23 yards per carry and lost .61 yards per carry. That's probably a new stat to you. It is to me as well. I like to use it to look at how often a back puts his team in a negative leverage down after he has a run (like 2nd and 9, for instance). Modern football scholars almost universally agree that the median carry is a much better measure of running back value than yards per carry. Part of this it is very much attributable to an offensive line that exceeded expectations, but was far from good. Smith was frustrating in that never seemed smooth in his approach and often struggled to find the hole in the zone scheme-- which often did not designate a specific hole. He also really faded down the stretch. Antone also struggled with handling option pitches-- something that we saw was increasingly important in Jimbo Fisher's scheme. He also struggled running out of the shotgun, a formation that the 'Noles increasingly resorted to as the offensive coordinator gradually migrated against the use of a fullback, which is a dying position in the sport. As a receiver, he caught 10 balls for 100 yards, but 43 of those 101 came against Division 1-AA filler or in garbage time. Antone was a good Seminole, who never embarrassed the program and really ran hard his senior year. It wasn't his fault that the system didn't fit his style and I'm not wanting to bash a good Seminole like Antone.
Antone basically contributed 104 carries and 418 yards. Let's call his departure a deficit of 105 carries and 420 yards.
Florida State needs to find someone to take D'Vontrey Richardson's carries
| Rushes | Yards |
|
|---|---|---|
| Western Caro. | 4 | 68 |
| Chattanooga | 5 | 38 |
| Wake Forest | 8 | 46 |
| Virginia Tech | 4 | 21 |
| at Georgia Tech | 4 | 41 |
| Clemson | 1 | 7 |
| at Maryland | 6 | 19 |
| Florida | 3 | 14 |
| ACC Total |
23 |
134 |
| Season Total |
35 | 254 |
D'vo was good as a change up to Christian Ponder. Running the student body left and right out of the shotgun. He had issues that I'm not going to discuss here, but if you read every D'Vo article on our site you can probably get a feel for what he had going on. He'll focus on baseball now and has some chance to play defensive back in the spring, but it is unlikely he will be back. I don't want him back on the team as he won't be able to pick up defensive back and be productive in the remainder of his career. We need his scholarship. D'Vo was a very good runner, and importantly, a warm body to advance the ball and take hits that Ponder didn't have to take. We will need to replace about 25 carries and 135 yards in ACC play due to D'Vo's departure.
What of Parker and Easterling's carries?
Florida State dismissed Parker and Easterling had Achilles surgery. I doubt he contributes this year. These two wide receivers combined for 15 carries and 107 yards overall, with 11 of those coming in conference, for 84 yards. Next year, we'll need to replace that to the tune of roughly 14 carries and 110 yards. The 'Noles could do without Preston Parker's fumbling problem. I hope whatever team he lands with in the Florida Penal League knows about this.
The goal for Florida State in conference will be about 300 carries and 1400 yards.
Quarterback Christian Ponder should continue to be an excellent runner. I think an estimation of 90 carries and 325 yards (including sacks) is a reasonable expectation. I came to this conclusion because I think Ponder will be sacked less in 2009. I estimate that his yards per carry will improve by 10%, due to the reduction in sacks. We still need 210 carries and 1076 yards.
Jermaine Thomas should be good for 110 carries and 525 yards in ACC play.
Jermaine Thomas was made to be a running back in the zone scheme. He has no use for a fullback. Thomas understands the need to make one cut and get up the field. His stride is deceptively fast. At 6-1, 190lbs, his upright style is a thing of beauty to watch. Let's do just that:
Personally, his running style reminds me of Ricky Watters. Both Thomas and Watters played a fair amount of wide receiver in their prep days and both have a very upright gait. Here's Watters:
Longtime Tomahawk Nation contributor compared him to:
Jeff Cheaney. Both seem real wiry and don’t look very strong, but seem to have a knack for contorting to shed tackles. They have odd cuts and sometimes seem to be dodging imaginary players.
Last season, Thomas went for 279 yards on just 31 carries in ACC play. That's 9 yards per carry. I think 110 carries for 525 yards is a reasonable projection. Thomas is not a huge back. He is not the type of player I want drawing 20 carries per game. If Thomas can get 14 carries and 3 catcher per game in ACC play, that will be great for the Seminoles. I have a feeling that Thomas will decline quickly if he gets anything over 125 carries in ACC play. In fact, only 5 players had 125 or more carries in ACC play last year, and all were significantly bigger than Thomas. Only one (Dwyer) had an average approaching what I expect out of Thomas. It seems to me that Thomas' goal for Spring needs to be health and normal development. He must stay healthy and continue to get stronger. There is absolutely no need for Thomas to get extensive work in the spring and risk a possible growth stunting injury. All he needs to do is to learn the blitz pickup schemes and the intricacies of the Jimbo Fisher offense, an offense I don't think is all that complicated for running backs. Let's hope Fisher and staff manage him correctly as he can be a special weapon for the 'Noles in 2009.
Based on my projections of Ponder and Thomas combining for 200 carries and 850 yards, the 'Noles will still need to get another 100 carries and 550 yards to reach my goal of 300 carries and 1400 yards.
Marcus Sims should see an expanded role in 2009.
via www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com
Most FSU fans know the story of Marcus Sims. The brother of Seminole superstar linebacker Ernie Sims, Marcus was highly recruited and came to FSU on the promise that he could play running back. Despite having a serious need at the linebacker position, FSU kept the promise. That may now prove to be a good move.
Sims missed 4 games last year with various academic related suspensions. He is a talented runner and can be a valuable bigger back in Jimbo Fisher's system. To call Sims a fullback would be inaccurate. He's essentially a 6' 0" 230lb running back. He rushed 23 times for 21 times for 61 yards in 7 conference games. Sims has very good receiving skills as well, catching 8 balls for 45 yards in 7 conference games. His best performance coming against NC State, catching 5 balls for 38 yards, including 3 first downs. Sims really needs to put better effort into his blitz pickup in the passing game and give more effort in carrying out his fakes. He also must hold onto the ball better. Maybe embattled running back coach Dexter Carter can help him with his ball security issue?
The spring is a perfect time to work on all of those issues. I think Sims can play at 235lbs and be a big time contributor for the 'Noles. It's worth noting that he is a Junior and not a Senior, thanks to some scholarship finagling. I expect Sims to get 55 carries for 200 yards this year in his 8 conference games. Like Thomas, he needs to increase his understanding of the offense and maybe his new found eligibility youth will inspire him to become a leader on the practice field.
Adding Sims 55 for 200 to our 200 for 850, we come to 255 carries for 1050 yards. We still need 45 carries for 350 yards to reach our goal. We can pick that up with the remaining guys and the incoming freshmen.
I think E.J. Manuel will have a decent year rushing. Most of his work in spring will be of the learning variety, however, and I doubt he focuses on running when he still needs to learn the passing game.
Highly touted JUCO running back Tavares Pressley (from last year's recruiting class) will miss Spring practice as he continues to recover from his August ACL surgery. I'm of the opinion that we should cut Pressley unless he makes significant strides this offseason. I really doubt that he can stay eligible for three years anyways, being a JUCO guy with past academic struggles. Here's some of his JUCO video for you to enjoy. Please keep in mind that it is very unlikely that he will both recover from ACL surgery, regain his prior form, and remain eligible all within the same time frame.
That leaves us with two guys who will be playing this spring.
The first is low-profile fullback Seddrick Holloway. He's sort of a man without a role in Fisher's offense, as we try to move away from the fullback and more towards the traditional H-Back role. Holloway is a good to very good blocker. He's not an elite college blocking full back. One of our members recently spotted Holloway and said that he is bigger than Kendrick Stewart. Kendrick Stewart is 6-1 270. Holloway is 5-10, generously. I don't know how much Holloway weighs, but apparently he is really out of shape now. He won't play if he doesn't get seriously committed to his conditioning. We don't need lazy players on this team. We really don't need waste of space seniors setting a poor example for the younger guys. We don't need a fullback with a 42 inch waist. Holloway only had one carry last year and is not a candidate to carry the football, though I guess he could rest it against his ample hip if need be. All kidding aside, we will need Holloway for limited goal-line and short yardage situations and he is way too slow right now to flow with our quicker linemen. He must get his act in gear.
Come On, Seddrick! Put down the burger!
That leaves us with Carlton "Ty" Jones, a sophomore from Tampa who has his own medical issues. Jones is a very promising prospect with a major issue-- he has diabetes. Right now, Jones is tiny. He is under 200lbs, after suffering another major diabetes induced weight loss. Jones cannot afford to mismanage his diabetes. His Grandma used to make him special diabetes friendly meals when he was a kid in high school, but apparently he is not getting that taken care of at Florida State. Know anyone who could help this kid out?
Jones needs to play at 220lbs to be effective. He doesn't have the moves to be a running back at a school like Florida State if he is down 20lbs of muscle. Jones is the kind of back who sheds tacklers with leverage and strength. I think he can be a decent player if he can get to 210lbs, and he will get a bunch of work in spring. Last year he rushed 11 times for 99 yards. Clearly he is a back with a lot of potential. Jones also has some intelligence issues working against him. I don't want to call the kid dumb, but he had a qualifying scare, really didn't understand the offense last year and hasn't had the mental discipline to manage the diabetes. Is it realistic to expect a college kid to manage his diabetes? His real work will come this summer in the weight room.
The real key for the spring will be for everyone to work hard, for the backs to avoid major setbacks due to injury or otherwise, and for Thomas and Sims to learn their pass protection responsibilities.
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Nice read!
I really think Jermaine Thomas is going to be huge for us this year. I don’t know if Ponder is going to be able to match his production from last year, because teams are going to gameplan against his running. I see no mention of Lonnie Pryor…do you expect him to Redshirt or to be a non-contributor? He could be that big bruising back to provide a change. I think our running game is the one place where we have enough depth to be as productive (if not more) as last year.
I think Pryor will be a huge bust.
Not impressed with his film and I pretty much agree that he needs a fullback, something we’re not using in our system. Pretty sure he’ll have to move positions.
I love Lonnie’s energy and enthusiasm for FSU, however, so that’s a change.
Finally, I didn’t mention him because this is the spring preview.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 26, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Bust?
Well that’s not very inspiring now is it?
I really hope not, he seems to be a good kid all around. His attitude is what impresses me the most. He’s all FSU, got a good head on his shoulders and has the build to be successful. Let’s hope Dexter can teach him a few things.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I was much more impressed with Pryor's film...
…than Presley’s. But, then again, it’s JC v. HS. Can you tell blocking schemes from JC & HS film? If so, were either of Pryor and Presley’s teams using zone blocking?
A huge bust?!!?
Well then he definitely should be playing linebacker.
See what I did there? I made it a joke. Because Amato has a sweet rack. I bet I’m the first one to ever make that joke.
Interesting insight into the Ty Jones diabetes issue.
However, it’s fairly common knowledge that he was 2nd string to Smith last year. He also looked good in the bowl game despite already having lost weight due to diabetes. Yet, you suggest that he’s going to be a non-factor? Maybe he’ll be faster if he keeps the weight off…
I think he can contribute....
but not at as high of a level as he would if he were 220.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
He was
but that was before his diabetes stuff and before he was unable to understand the playbook.
I think he looked good in the Champs sports bowl from the standpoint that he did what he was supposed to do. You can see from the video, however, that he didn’t do anything special and merely followed the blocks of the linemen who were just destroying a Wisconsin front which was completely gassed and out of shape.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 26, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Which is how plenty
of running backs have had mild success in the zone scheme.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
But Wisconsin was the worst division-1 front 7 we played all year.
He’ll need to make plays against the better competition, and he is totally not the type of back to be juking people out of their jocks.
Is it just me or does Thomas look like a bigger Warrick Dunn.
He has speed, moves and good vision in my opinion
He's definitely taller.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
If he can get all the way back I'm with ya
If not, we really need to cut bait and grab his scholarship.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 26, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
watchin the video
it looked like he had an amazing line. Yeah, he was fast, but I did not see many busted tackles. I like that he picks a hole and runs through it. But as I said, he had some runs where he went untouched through the line.
Great Article
It really is too bad for Pressley, i was really looking forward to seeing him making plays in G&G. I thought he was going to be one who would make an immediate impact as soon as he arrived on campus.
Good Writeup
I read a lot of forums and nowhere have I seen it pointed out that Florida State was first in the ACC in rushing, rising from tenth in the league no less. I was not aware of that.
I think you summed up Antone perfectly.
When you factor in injuries you never know what is going to happen with a tailback but if healthy I think Thomas has the possibility of getting more than 525 yards. I found it very funny during his recruiting that most sites had him as a three star that is ridiculous.
LSU had him high on their list until the final whistle as Lester was camping out in Jacksonville. I am not sure if Lester is a great evaluator of talent or just smart enough to zero in on whoever Fisher is after.
If healthy and that is a big if as you say, I look for Ty Jones to be the backup for Thomas and do very well. He needs to put that weight back on however.
How serious is the ankle problem with Chris Thompson?
I don’t want to knock Sims but I have been saying for two years he has a fumbling problem and at some point it would cost a game. it did against GT. Sometimes a back just can’t solve that issue. I hold my breathe when he gets the ball.
We were first in rushing efficiency
a measure of both output and average.
Please remember that the 525 yards is in conference play only. If we run him 140 times or something in conference play I will be very angry, as he is the kind of back who will wear down.
Sims fumble didn't cost us the GTech game. The defense did.
31 Points, 0 Turnovers, & 321 yards on 39 Plays.
8.2 yards per play. Up until GT’s QB left the game, that’s what they had done. 8.2 yards per play. I don’t need to say anything more. 8.2 yards per play. Mickey’s unit was ill-prepared. 8.2 yards per play. They played like garbage. 8.2 yards per play.
Some people are going to say that the Noles finally started to make adjustments. 8.2 yards per play. That is pure B.S. 8.2 yards per play. Do not buy that for a second. 8.2 yards per play. The Seminole defense didn’t adjust to anything, rather Georgia Tech’s QB rolled his own ankle. 8.2 yards per play. That is pathetic.
True....
However, somehow we still had an opportunity to win. The fumble DID cost us that opportunity (given there were plenty of more failed opportunities).
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Seddrick Holloway getting the ball on that play allows us to live another down. It will be hard to trust Marcus ever again, and it’s not because it’s a 1-and-done thing with him. I remember him coughing it up on the goal line against the Blazers in 2007, and I think it happened again that year. I don’t deny any of his other skills, but it’s a trust thing.
Thomspon seems to be more of a slot receiver and special teams player at this point, anyway
Especially given that we lose PP and Easterling
by basbalstr101 on Feb 26, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Pumped!
That JT video was just the medicine I needed!
Excellent write-up as usual Bud.
So we have:
1-4 – any down backs (Thomas, Jones, Pressley, Thompson)
3 – Short yardage backs (Sims, Pryor, Holloway)
1-2 – 3rd and long backs (Thomas, Thompson)
*1-4 and 1-2 because of potentially limiting injuries
Which do you think is more correct:
1. We have a plethora of backs because we will be shifting to a more run-centric offense
2. We have a plethora of backs because 3 are questionable
Also, my knowledge is limited, but I could really see Lonnie adding a nice change of pace and spelling some of the other backs here. His film looked good and I think he falls into the faster-than-he-looks category. He may not be able to take it all the way on any carry but I don’t think he needs to. I want more of a work horse back who can go out and get us some yards and not put us in the hole.
Hmm
It’s a mix. Clearly we are really lean right now.
I can envision a scenario in which we take 2-3 backs this year (recruiting), and cut Pressley and Jones due to the medical issues after ’09.
AC just got out of a
press conference with Jimbo. Says Ty Jones is “healthy” and is disappointed with Holloway for how fat he is. Ok…he didn’t say that. He said that he needs to be more committed to football ………. instead of McDonalds.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I am also pumped to see what Jermaine can do this year.
I think he will have a big year. How he was a 3 star on rivals baffles me.
Good Write Up
So Bobby Bowden doesn’t even handle when Spring Practice is?
Always interesting to see what the other team’s projections for the upcoming year.
by Winfield Featherston on Feb 26, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions
Someone get Ty Jones' grandmother up here ASAP.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
I have to come clean about something: I have a problem with Tomahawk Nation.
I have certain expectations when I see “Spring Preview” and the promise of a position break-down. First of all, when I hand over my hard-earned money to read exclusive content, I expect to have my intelligence insulted. I want to know the name of the player who started last year, the name of the player who is most likely to start this coming year (if different), and the name of his most likely back-up. Then I want a very brief list of other likely contributors. I want just the players’ stats from last year – no insight, no analsyis – just the numbers, unfiltered – maybe something I could look up for free at FSU’s althetics site or countless other places online. And then, when it’s time to get down to some thoughtful break-down of what really happened last year and what it will take for the team to replicate that success in the coming year, I want the article to end before I even realize I’ve already accessed the premium content. I want to believe our runningback stable is five-deep, loaded with proven, healthy talent, and I want to have no idea what real challenges await this group. I can’t wait to begin threads entitled “RBs – WTF!” with my buddies in the fall. In short, you put way too much work into meeting my expectations. I feel satisfied, enlightened, encouraged, and strangely I don’t feel the need to backhand my monitor while reading user comments. There are smart people here. How do you do this?
Also, I can’t tell you how thrilled I am (being serious now) that Seddrick Holloway’s weight issue has become the new inside joke here, as Fat Black Dude Eating Burger must become his mascot and at least make an occassional return appearance as we watch Sed battle his obesity in an attempt to regain his 2007 form when he, well, had the potentail to… not be what he is now. We’re behind you, Sed. Way behind you.
Wow I cant beleave you are going to let him talk to you like that
DAMN!!!
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
What has to happen, for the good of the program...
Ty Jones needs to follow Seddrick around for a few weeks.
So that he gains the weight? or
so that he just has total diabetes meltdown, we cut him, and then advertise our ample opportunity for playing time to the incoming recruits?
by Bud Elliott on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Now that you mention it, either one would be fine.
How are these guys not eating right? I’ve been to their cafeteria. It has giant signs telling you what to eat!!
NOTE: I forgot to include that Jermaine Thomas loses
only .19 per carry, while gaining 10.4 per carry in ACC play.
Smith Smith gained 5.23 yards per carry and lost .61 yards per carry in ACC play.
Conclusion: Jermaine understands how to find the hole in a zone scheme.
I always looked forward to JT coming into the game
because he was capable of breaking a 20+ yarder. Antone always seemed to run into the OLine or get happy feet and dance around too much.
by basbalstr101 on Feb 27, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Jimbo seemed to be more excited about Ty Jones than JT from what I remember.
We have to figure out a way to get JT bigger so he can carry more, he was a playmaker and I can’t think of any reason he had it easier than any of the other running backs during his touches (for the purpose of saying, "well… he got a lot of yards but he had an advantage of XXXX that XXXX didnt have).
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"
That burger picture is sick btw.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"
Ty Jones
I am not giving up on Ty Jones quite that easily. I think he and Aaron Gresham are going to surprise a lot of people who think they can’t play football.
what is the deal with Jones.
In the Wis game didnt he play in the end. I thought him and Thomas were the RB for most of the 4th Qrd. I thought they did a great job Thomas did better and showed his power and Jones showed he had some speed. I want to lose the FB in shotgun w/ 2back and run them 2. I just see plays around them with playaction zone reads/screens and flars. Is Jones out w/ diabetes or what. I never got the memo on him.
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