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Statistical data indicates the Noles 2010 recruiting class may be in trouble

Recently, we have heard that a few 2010 recruits that had been favoring the Noles are now considering other schools. Certain media outlets have reported that the recruits are concerned about the NCAA sanctions. Some on this site have speculated that the NCAA sanctions will likely not affect this year's recruiting. Their reasoning is that, by February of next year, another season of college football will have erased the NCAA's actions from the public's short memory. I tend to agree with this thinking.

However, to my great chagrine, I recently discovered a study that indicates the Noles may be in more trouble than some of us think. The study, conducted by Mercer's School of Business and Economics, included the collection of data regarding how recruits decide which school to attend. Surprisingly, the data revealed that many factors, commonly believed to influence a recruit, actually had no "systematic" influence on recruits. 

The authors used statistical software developed by SAS along with data provided by Rivals.com (a national website dedicated to college football and recruiting) in the development of this model.  The model was built on a database capturing characteristics and decisions of 3,395 recruited athletes for the three “recruiting seasons” between 2002 and 2004.  On average, each player was choosing from among a group of 4 schools.  A wide array of player and team level data were gathered for this task.  Then, a special form of a probit model was developed to capture, to the best extent possible a statistical equation to capture the decision making process.

 

We were a bit surprised by the results.  There were a number of factors that we thought would significantly impact the decision of the high school athlete that didn’t.  For example, factors like the school’s graduation rate, the number of Bowl Championship Series (BCS) bowl appearances, the current roster depth at the recruited player’s position, the number of players from a specific college drafted by the NFL, and even the number of national championships won by a particular program don’t systematically influence the decisions of high school athletes.  Surprised?  So were we.  What, then, does matter?  As it turns out the following factors DO significantly impact the decision of high school athletes:

 

  • Whether the athlete made an “official visit” to a specific college                      
  • Whether the school is in a BCS conference                             
  • The distance from the high school athlete’s hometown to a specific school          
  • Whether the recruit is in the same state as a specific school
  • The final AP Ranking of a specific school in the previous year of competition            
  • The number of conference titles a school has recorded in recent years
  • Whether the school is currently under a “bowl ban” for violating NCAA rules                    
  • The current number of scholarship reductions a school faces for violating NCAA rules             
  • The size of the team’s stadium (measured in terms of seating capacity)
  • Whether the school has an on-campus stadium                       
  • The current age of the team’s stadium                               
  •  

So, in a nutshell, high school athletes prefer winning programs that are
close to home, are in possession of good physical facilities, and are in good graces with the NCAA.

Check the summary for yourself here

FSU's recent brush with the NCAA, combined with the theory that some FSU coaches are not effective recruiters (for whatever reason), has me somewhat concerned about the 2010 class. Like I said, my gut tells me that the sting of the sanctions will have faded by next February. But, in the meantime, do we have the recruiters we need to overcome all the negativity? Is eleven months enough time to undo the damage?

Personally, I think we'll know more in the next couple of months. If you recall, the majority of FSU's 2009 class had committed prior to the start of two-a-days. In my opinion, if we don't have a good handful of recruits by that time, we may already have our answer.

 

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Nice one jab

I agree with you in that I think we’ll know a lot more after Junior Day.

by RollinNole on Mar 13, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I would really hope

that this doesn’t affect us. I think the students who weren’t considering the Noles anyway may use this as an excuse, but I think we’ll be just fine.

I think once Jimbo or one of our other big recruiters gets talking to these kids, and they realize both Oklahoma AND Alabama were on probation last year, the kids will be like “…oh.”

It’s just fresh on everyone’s mind right now.

by NolenRyan on Mar 13, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Read their 2009 predictions.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 13, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

7 in the top 70

of the mess ups were projections to Florida that didn’t come true. That model can’t pick Florida players for anything. And how in the world did that model ever predict Willie Downs to Florida?

by DA-2 on Mar 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The model

Of all the measurable factors that enter the model right now, UF generally has an advantage over FSU. They have more recent on-field success, more conference titles, higher poll rankings and the distance between UF and a recruit is usually the same as the distance between FSU and a recruit. Therefore, the model is going to predict the recruit going there more times than not over FSU. The model does NOT take into account the # of available scholarships. So if UF only has 20 slots but has 85 offers out there, the model assumes that if the player has an offer, it is valid.

by NeonDeion on Mar 14, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You will have to wait until January

The model uses the rankings from the prior season which aren’t finalized until January.
Plus, rivals has stopped providing us the raw data in recent years, so this is becoming an increasingly frustrating process. We’ve done predictions for the past 4 years or so, but we are thinking of retiring the model.

by NeonDeion on Mar 14, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the site, NeonDeion!

Awesome name.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, welcome!

And thanks for the informative contributions. Are you involved from the mercer side?

by FSUjab on Mar 14, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well well well

Corey Miller out of Byrnes HS named us his leader. Said coaches were blowing it out of porportion and FSU coaches called and cleared it up with him.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 13, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Clarification

I am one of the co-authors of that recruiting model.
What I can tell you is that the NCAA sanctions that affect recruits’ decisions are TV bans and bowl bans, not scholarship reductions. So as long as FSU makes it clear to recruits that they are post-season eligible and on TV, then the model indicates the NCAA sanctions won’t matter.

by NeonDeion on Mar 13, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's the next line in the summary - after the end of my quote.

The next line says scholly reductions actually bring recruits in (less competition).

But I’m trying to instill fear and loathing here, so pipe down neondeion. BTW, are you holding out on us here?

by FSUjab on Mar 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean, "fear and loathing?"

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was half- joking

I thought the context would give that away…

by FSUjab on Mar 14, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, my bad. Was a little drowsy.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

W@hat a crock

why report fear!!

someone delete this article

by Mr. Seminole on Mar 14, 2009 2:29 AM EDT reply actions  

This isn't Warchant, mayne.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 14, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rough Friday night buddy?

I’m not a reporter, but thanks for the compliment.

by FSUjab on Mar 14, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't reporting fear

it is more like a SWOT analysis. If we as fans, and hopefully boosters, do not recognize the challenges that we face, we cannot rise to meet them. This is not a head-in-the-sand website.

by WBisaNOLE on Mar 16, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

FSUjab, thanks for putting this together, I was pondering the very same issue as to what recruits care about.

I like being aware of all issues, I mean, it is what separates Tomahawknation from the paysites.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 14, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I was concerned that most people had already seen this. Heck, neiondeion apparently participated in it…

by FSUjab on Mar 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and better analysis, better coverstation, more immaturity.... etc.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 14, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

converstation*

I was a little “overserved” last night.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 14, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think..

this is nothing a 10+ win, ACC championship, BCS game win season cant cure! That’s gonna be tough I know, but I feel real good about our team this year. If we can find a couple recievers to throw it to we’ll be just fine. The NCAA only imposed 1 scholorship loss the rest were self-imposed if Im not mistaken.

by chrisw0417 on Mar 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Off the subject slightly...

and I know this is on the heels of his “Whats wrong with FSU”, however Bruce Feldman is like a quiet Stephen A. Smith, if that makes sense.

by badknees81 on Mar 14, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's a really good article.

A little late, nonetheless.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 14, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have given him credit if he wrote it 2 months ago...

since he did it now, after the fact, no credit for him, just repeating what all the talking heads have already said. With that, he should stick to writing, because TV is not for him.

by badknees81 on Mar 14, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have given him a LOT more credit...

…if FSUncensored hadn’t already spent the last year writing that article, at a time when it was still controversial to do so. I swear it read like a review of Tomahawk Nation. I was waiting for the link to TN to appear at the end of the article.

by TRMNole on Mar 16, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Decent article.

He got me thinking though. I’ve always thought of the players being complacent when they step on the field and expecting to win because we’re “Florida State.” I hadn’t yet made the connection that some of the coaches have been doing the same thing in recruiting.

BB & Co. have basically said “yeah, we’re FSU. We’ll get talent – kids want to come play for us.” Well, that may be true BUT coaches still need to do their homework on the kids. Assuming the coaches were doing homework at all, it’s definitely harder to do homework on a kid when you’re pulling a bunch of guys from CA.

by FSUjab on Mar 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

UM has 4 recruits

FSU has 2 recruits. I feel the pressure now. Just kidding. Don’t forget this is going to be a banner year for talent in the state. Everybody is going to get theirs and so will FSU. The gators are starting a little faster though as they have 7 already.

by DocHoliday2 on Mar 14, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post.

A group of us discussed this article sometime back in another thread (a recruiting thread, I think). I provided a link to the actual paper and the site of one of the authors, Jenn Platania, who is a former graduate student and student teacher at FSU.

She has a copy of the full paper available in pdf format on her page. After looking through it, the sanctions thing also raised my eyebrows, but I don’t think we have that much to worry about now that the rule has been handed down and bowls and championships are still fair game.

Don’t forget that the people writing some of those articles citing recruits’ concerns about us may be biased against the Noles. The staff at the AJC, for one, is probably still a little bitter about us snagging Reid on NSD.

by Aussierat on Mar 15, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

100% correct

I think the newer coaches can be creative if need be…hopefully they can at least fill slots with adicuate athelets.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 17, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't worry..

FSU’s 2010 recruiting class will be top 15(limited scholarships) and 2011 could be even better. Looking like 2 of the best years recently in the state of FL in terms of prep talent.

by ThaRinger on Mar 18, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

We could have a full class this year.

Realistically, I think we take 21 – 23. With attrition, we can get to 25.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 18, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's that strong? Even stronger than '10?

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 18, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't say stronger yet

But has the potential to be special.

by ThaRinger on Mar 18, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're definitely keeping our fingers crossed.

Honestly, I’ll be disappointed if we don’t have a top 5 class. We’ve had a couple of good, solid classes under Jimbo & Co. But I think we need a GREAT class to get to that next level.

OT a bit: how do you know ‘11 will be better since these kids are sophomores in high school right now? Isn’t it a little too early yet?

by FSUjab on Mar 18, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will consider 2009 a great class if Willie Downs plays his proper position, which is free safety. Also, McAllister = DE.

A lot of film is out for 2011. Several names are emerging. More Wednesday.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 18, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The sheer volume

of elite ’11 talent in Florida tells me 2011 will be close to 2010 or better. I had a hard time making a list of 20 sophomores; it could have been 50+.

by ThaRinger on Mar 18, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Javares McRoy = :)

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 18, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 and 2009 FSU classes

Were both great IMO. The best 2 recruiting years FSU has had this decade(in terms of players that will actually contribute). Watch out for Vince Williams this year.

by ThaRinger on Mar 18, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I go back and forth on Williams.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 18, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

His brother is special though (2011).

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 18, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travaris Barnes

Got a text that he’s thinking about committing to FSU tomorrow if everything goes well. Gotta love coach Dawsey.

by ThaRinger on Mar 20, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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