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Florida State Earns a 5 Seed in the NCAA Tournament: Early Thoughts on the Bracket

We made it. For the first time since the 1997-1998 season, the 'Noles made it back to the big dance earning a 5 seed in the East Region.

It's not going to be easy folks as the Noles reside in the same region as Pitt and Duke. However, to face those teams, we need to get the heck out of Boise

Inside are my initial thoughts on our seed and the tournament in general. The game specifics of our match up will be posted later in the week as the game approaches.

Coach, what do you think about the Noles' chances?

Florida State coach Leonard Hamilton looks away from the court while playing Duke during the second half of an NCAA championship college basketball game at the Atlantic Coast Conference men's tournament in Atlanta, Sunday, March 15, 2009. From AP Photo by AP.

Photo from daylife.com

Star-divide

Before I get into the bracket, congrats to our Noles on making it to their first ever ACC Championship game. As you may know, the ACC does not hand out hardware for the regular season. The ACC Champion is determined in the tournament. This is a young team that fought through some early frustrations to become one of the best defensive teams in the league and an absolute sleeper in the tournament.

And a couple of thoughts on the Duke game. I won't belabor the details because it's over and we need to move on. But, I found these next two photos to be hilarious:

Duke's Jon Scheyer (30) drives the lane during an NCAA college basketball game at the Atlantic Coast Conference men's tournament championship in Atlanta, Sunday, March 15, 2009. Defending is Florida State's Uche Echefu. From AP Photo by AP.

Duke's guard Jon Scheyer (R) passes under the basket as Florida State guard Jordan DeMercy defends during the second half of men's NCAA basketball action ACC Tournament Championship Final in Atlanta, Georgia, March 15, 2009. From Reuters Pictures by REUTERS.

Photos from daylife.com

Why does he look so scared? He's the one throwing the elbow in the second picture.

Here are the final stats:

 

 

 

As predicted, this was a grind it out low paced defense heavy game. We actually had one of our better offensive outings statistically speaking. Our efficiency was 13 points higher than our season average. We actually shot the ball better than Duke. The problem was that they got extremely hot from the 3 point line early in the first half when we couldn't buy a basket. That stretch put the game squarely in the control of Duke.

 

 

Look at how our point total looks like a stair case; it's reminiscent of games earlier this year when we went flat. At the end of the year, many of our games looked like nice gentle slopes without any dead spots. Going cold when Duke couldn't miss, and they were heaving up shots, put us in a bad position. Plus, Solomon Alabi only played 19 minutes. He was 3 for 8 from the floor. He had 8 possessions and scored on 4 of them. His FT Rate % was a ridiculous 62%. I hope that Hamilton was saving the big guy's legs for this week. Duke had no answer for him in the second half, when the essentially fouled him every time down the court. I admit our guys looked tired at times today, having difficult times fighting through their tough (cough illegal) screens. Still, I am so happy we made it. I am so happy no one was seriously injured. This probably wasn't such a bad thing for our young team. Hamilton put it well when he said: “It’s important to feel that pain. I think that it’s a positive when youngsters can be disappointed. The most important thing is how we’re going to respond to it.” And Ryan Reid had this to say: " We wanted it. We were trying to win a championship. And we've just got to take the pain we're feeling right now and take it out in the tournament. We have to remember this feeling." Yup...time to move on.

 

Tournament Discussion:

We made it and we absolutely deserved to do so. This was an interesting year for the NCAA selection committee, only going with 4 teams from the non-power conferences, allowing teams like Michigan and Arizona to sneak in. Granted, Arizona might go further than many of you think, so maybe they did deserve to get in?

I think the selection committee put us at the correct seed; I just think they put us in the wrong region. Michael Slive, the Selection Committee Chair, said that the committee was making decisions until lunch time, which based on the fact Mississippi St. snuck into the tournament after winning the SEC Championship game is probably not true. By the way, Slive is the Commissioner of the SEC.

The Noles are the 5 seed in the East Regional and will play Wisconsin, who went 19-12 overall and 10-8 in the Big Ten/Eleven/Twelve, in the late game Friday in the beautiful city of Boise, Idaho. Yup, that's right...Boise. If we had been the 5 in either the South of the West regional, we would have made our way to Portland, which is a significantly easier trip and it's not at elevation, a reasonable 2,704 feet above sea level. If and only if, the selection comiittee could have been nice to us, they would have put us in the Midwest regional and we would have been playing in Miami. Whose going to Miami you ask? Utah. Now, would Utah rather travel all the way to South Beach or stay closer to home playing in Portland or Boise.  Honestly, I don't know how the selection committe decides specifically who goes where, but you would think they would pay attention to those details.

You would also hope that they would notice that we are in the same bracket as Duke and Pittsburgh. Uhm...we already played Pitt once and have played Duke 3 times. If we go on a run, we could play Duke in the Elite 8. As much as I would love to play Duke on a neutral court with neutral referees (Is that possible with Duke?), do I really want to see the Dukies again? No.

So who are the other 5 seeds:

Utah: The Utes went 24-9 overall with a 12-4 record in the Mountain West, which is ranked 7th overall by Pomeroy. They are actualy ranked 25th overall in the Pomeroy rankings and had been popping in and out of the major media polls all season long. Their schedule ranked 34th overall and included wins over Gonzaga, LSU, BYU, New Mexico, San Diego St (who got the short end of the stick tonight) and they won the Montain West Conference tournament, beating TCU, Wyoming and San Diego St. They lost to Southwest Baptist, Idaho St, California, Oklahoma, Utah St., SDSU, UNLV, BYU and New Mexico. Their offense ranks 52nd in the nation and their defense is 21st. They do not generate any turnovers nor do they like to rebound on the offensive end. They play mainly man defense and are a big experienced team, ranking 6th in effective height and 13th in experience. Luke Nevill, a 7'2 senior, is their best player. But how many 7 footers are there in the Mountain West? (If I had time I would look it up for you) So, Utah has a reasonable resume. Haven't seen them play...

Purdue: Congrats to Purdue, they just won the Big Ten/Eleven/Twelve Tournament. They finished 25-9 overall and 11-7 in conference play. Their offense is 48th overall and their defense is 5th. They force teams into bad shots with a very tough pressure defense. This is an athletic team that is 47th in effective height but lacks experience. They have big wins over Boston College, Davidson, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St and Ohio St. They beat Penn St, Illinois and OSU to win the Big Ten Tourney. Their losses include and overtime loss to Oklahoma, Duke, Illinois x2, Penn St, OSU, Michigan, Northwestern and MSU.Their schedule ranked 47th overall. Pretty good resume. Now that this team is healthy, watch out. I have seen them play and this is a good basketball team.

Illinois: The fighting Illini finished 3rd in the Big Ten, going 25-9 overall and 11-7 in conference play. They rank 97th on offense and 4th on defense in the Pomeroy standings. They play a slow temp game with only 62 possessions per game...that's lower than us. If you recall, this is the team that lost 38-33 to Penn St, who didn't even make the tournament. They rank 23rd overall in the Pomeroy standings. Their schedule was ranked 40th in the nation. They had big wins over Missouri, Purdue x 2, Wisconsin and Tulsa. They lost to the likes of Clemson, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Wisco, PSU x 2 and MSU. They lost to Purdue 66-56 in the Big Ten Tourney. This team cannot get to the free throw line, ranking as one of the worst teams in the country. They shoot the ball...well. They rebound...not so well. But, they limit your ability to take good shots as they play very aggressive defense. They also pass the ball extremely well on defense, ranking 1st in the country in assists per field goal made. They are big, ranking 12th in effective height. They best offensive player is Demetri McCamey a 6'3 Sophomore. I have seen this team play. Living in Illini nation, their fans are not happy with their team this year as they never have any clue as to which team will show up.

Of the three, I really think Purdue is the best. So the question is, did we get placed in the right bracket? Well, Miami would be nice, but they put Wake as the four seed there and I doubt they would want an ACC match up in the second round. Nor would I want to face Wake that early in the tournament. By putting Wake at the four, that eliminates the Midwest regional. This would have been ideal geographically. However, if everything else was kept the same and the seeds won out, we would have to play Arizona, then Wake then Louisville then Michigan St to get to a Final Four.

If we were placed in the west, we would start out against University of Northern Iowa. Followed by a match up with Washington, the Connecticut then Memphis. Hmmmm....

If they placed us in the South, we would face Western Kentucky (already beat them...so they would never put us here against WKU) then Gonzaga, North Carolina and Oklahoma.

Currently, to make it to the Final Four (not saying this is going to happen) we face Wisconsin, Xavier, Pitt then Duke.

Which scenario do you like the best? Even though I hate the fact that we are going to Boise, Idaho, I really think this is the best bracket for us, despite the potential rematches. It is to our advantage to play those teams again.

What are your thoughts?

I think the teams to look out for in the tournament, aside from the #1 seeds are: Memphis (duh), West Virginia, Arizona, Purdue, Missouri, VCU, Gonzaga and Syracuse. There are some great early round match ups. Look for a UCLA-Villanova game, ASU-Syracuse, Oklahoma-Clemson, Missouri-Marquette, Utah-Wake Forest or Arizona-Wake Forest, Kansas-West Virginia (should be an amazing game). There may not be a lot of "Cinderella" teams in the tournament but there will be some great basketball played between major programs.

Remember to sign up for the Tomahawk Nation Tournament Challenge.

Also, I would like to ask all of you to contribute to the Tournament Game Previews. What do I mean...pick a game that interests you and write about it. Call your dibs here so there is no overlap and email me your thoughts. I'll put together a larger post with all of your reflections. Doesn't have to be anything major...maybe a sentence or two. If you get them to me by Wednesday evening I'll put the post up.

Sorry everyone, but I get dibs on the FSU-Wisconsin game.

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Game time for Friday is 9:55 Eastern time. Wow, that is late. Not sure how we will be affected by this.

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 16, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Not bad, is Boise Mountain or Pacific time?

It would be like a regular prime time game for them

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 16, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great coverage!

I agree that our match-ups are favorable. After today, I would love to get the chance to upset the Dukies. If we don’t stumble on the way, I think we can beat Pitt.

by FSUjab on Mar 16, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Xavier

I currently live in Cincinnati, and i honestly couldn’t be happier that there could be a possible Xavier vs FSU match up. Its only a little over 12 hours since the brackets were released and there is already talks here of how easy a run “X” (as they call themselves here) will have to the sweet 16. They are giving FSU zero respect and their reasoning is that we only have 1 scorer. They better be careful, i have a feeling Portland St is going to give them a run for their money…..

sorry for the rant. just sick of hearing about them and the big 10. love our big 10 first round match up

by Renegade11 on Mar 16, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

pretty wishful.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 16, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya I see us getting to Xavier but

I think we can beat them just like we beat UNC. I dont see us getting through Pitt though. I think Im taken Xavier over us.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little upset that we didnt get a 4 seed in Miami

Because I could have attended and we could have had a great Nole crowd there. But nonetheless I think a 5 seed is pretty good.

by ChileanNole on Mar 16, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm intrigued by the

Washington vs Mississippi State game. A much lesser appreciated game, but none-the-less I feel that both teams have an opportunity to do some damage.

I will “take” that game.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 16, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Great coverage.

What would we do without you, TC? Seriously, I’ve been digging online and flipping through channels trying to find a comprehensive breakdown of our bracket alone, and I’ve come up empty… until you posted this that is. I think FSU basketball needs to put you on their payroll.

Anyways, after reading your breakdown of the 5 seeds other 3 potential paths to the final four, I don’t feel as bad about our opponents. But really, it wasn’t our opponents that had me upset yesterday (although it is idiotic to have us potentially play Pitt and Duke yet again like you pointed out), it was the fact that we’re traveling all the way to Boise for the first round. How does that make any sense?

Besides that fact that the committee clearly isn’t worried about travel expenses, ease of travel (from Tallahassee to Boise? Three connections, minimum!), saving the environment (Fuel! Go green damnit!), or selling out the games, what about the drastic time change and elevation change for us? And the fact that if we win 2 games we sail back across the entire country and play in Boston? Maybe I’m thinking too far in advance, but someone needs to. I mean, we are a 5 seed, what exactly did that get us in terms of a favorable situation?

Hopefully TD and the ‘Noles will look at this as a huge challenge, put a chip on their shoulder, get their butts out to Boise asap, get acclimated and get to work. And hopefully Hamilton will realize Alabi needs to play/touch the ball more! We can’t win any of these games if we don’t establish some form of inside presence and it’s just so dang easy for Alabi— get him the ball! But most importantly, they have to get those TO’s under control. Kitchen, Reid, Dulkys, & DeMercy have been primo offenders in this category as of late and they need to cut it out or be removed from the game plan.

Looking forward to Friday night, it’s just the beginning for us! Go Noles!

by smash! on Mar 16, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

TC and Uncensored:

Fantastic work throughout the ACC Tourney. Had to throw this in before it gets crazy again. Thanks as always.

by TRMNole on Mar 16, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Anybody else having trouble filling out the bracket on Yahoo

Mine wont load at all. Ialready filled out 3 brackets at ESPN with no problem. Do you need a specific plug-in to load it??

by ChileanNole on Mar 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

it was def. down earlier.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 16, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone read how yahoo gives away a million

25k for 40 years

in 40 years, 25k will buy a donut

by Mr. Seminole on Mar 16, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Illinois is so very overrated...

but I really haven’t seen Gonzaga play enough to speak intelligently about this matchup. I just wouldn’t bank on Illinois doing much because they are not dependable or the least bit consistent.

by smash! on Mar 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whats your final four??

I have filled out 3 brackets, but my most confident Final 4 is:

Louisville
Memphis
Pitt
UNC

UNC over Pitt
Memphis over Louiville

UNC wins the whole thing

by ChileanNole on Mar 16, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I would be SHOCKED if UNC won it all.

Roy is fun to watch in the tourney (and not in a good way).

And don’t say 2005.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 16, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitt is my least confident pick

I can see Nova, Duke or even us coming out of that region

Memphis and Uconn are a tough call too.

UNC and Louisville should be in the final four.

by ChileanNole on Mar 16, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got someone dif.

Louisville
Memphis
UCLA
UNC
With UCLA over Memphis

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 16, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i also have ucla

wake forest over west virginia
ucla over FSU
conn over mizz
syracuse over butler (who ihave to beat unc)

i think

marland can beat memphis
FSU can beat pitt
michigan beats oklahoma
butler beats unc
ucla over villanova and duke
west virginia beats mich st

mind you i am no good at this

by Mr. Seminole on Mar 16, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad to say I think FSU is going to lose to the X

Im not good with this B-ball stuff so it would be luck with me.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 17, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitt, UNC, Memphis, Louisville in the Final Four. Louisville over Memphis (not by much), and UNC over Pitt. I have Louisville beating UNC for the NC

by basbalstr101 on Mar 16, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have Uconn,Duke,UNC,and Michigan St.

Uconn winning it all. I’m not very confident though.

by fsunole23 on Mar 16, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm bold.

Picked Uconn, Michigan state, Oklahoma, and us.

Uconn over us in the finals

by B-rod24 on Mar 16, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I've got Memphis beating us

Maybe I’m too much of a pessimist :)

by CelticPride on Mar 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Clemson beating Oklahoma in all but one of my brackets

also my most confident Final Four is Memphis, Louisville, Pitt and UNC, with Pitt winning it all over Memphis.

by badknees81 on Mar 16, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we turned the ball over 20 times against

UNC, I would be scared what we would do against Memphis.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 16, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have the defense

to get buy against some teams when we do that. Teams who are fairly efficient with scoring off of TO’s though…not so much.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 17, 2009 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

5'8'' freshman guard from Akron.

My favorite name in the Tournament.

He is followed closely by Alabama St’s Chief Kickingstallionsims. The astute Nole fan will remember that we played against the big chief when he was a freshman at Jacksonville about 5 years ago. Giant dude with cornrows that kind of looked like Jar-Jar Binx.

by MattDNole on Mar 16, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting details from FoxSports on Xavier:

“The Musketeers have gone 5-5 after a 20-2 start and, for the third straight year, fell in the Atlantic 10 semis after winning the regular-season title. Xavier has speed to burn but a lack of size makes it vulnerable in a half-court game.”

I think Xaviers lack of size and difficulty in half-court plays to our strengths.

by FSUjab on Mar 16, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going out on the tip of the furthest leaf out on a limb here and say...

FSU – NCAA Tournament Champions 2009

Uconn is going down!

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Mar 16, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Since I live here

I’d be happy to put in a few thoughts about the Ok State-Tennessee game

by Okinole on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

How bout Oklahoma?

I have them losing to Clemson in most of my brackets so far, I can still change em. Good move, or no? I have only seen them play once, and it seemed like Griffin and the guard and thats it, Clemson has great depth.

by badknees81 on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

UCLA isn't going to make it out of the first round

(I live in Richmond so I’m a bit biased here.) I think VCU matches up pretty well with UCLA. VCU is a little bit smaller but they have two potential NBA players in Maynor and Sanders. I know UCLA is a good team but their defense is not what it used to be and they don’t get to the line well because they shoot so many 3s. I don’t really have any statistical evidence to point to VCU winning but I don’t think anybody should be shocked.

by evenflow58 on Mar 17, 2009 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Dislocated finger, had successful surgery this morning.

Hit his hand on the helmet of a defensive lineman.

He’ll be fine.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know CaStauch is very disappointed right now.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 17, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll still compete.

Remember, Ponder didn’t win the job until the very end last season.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 17, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have liked to climb to a 4 over wake they driffted toward the end, however...

This would have happened had we find a way to beat Duke.

In all I think this is one of the best bracketts I’ve every seen from the committee

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont know much about this stuff but you are right

I have been keeping tabs over the last 2 years and this year there seem like more/better match-ups in the bracketts this year. I dont see lower seeds making it but I do thing a lot of the 4-1 seeds making good game.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 17, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little of Subject but

Is there anywhere you can get the Black shorts? I have the Garnet ones but would like the black ones also.

by KnightNoles on Mar 17, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Those are sweet

If I had $25 to spend I would totally buy those

by mittens on Mar 17, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Im talking about the Black Basketball shorts that the team wears not those…….

I know they are going to be between 40-60 dollars because I already have the Garnet ones.

by KnightNoles on Mar 22, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

to bad you gave it all to AGI

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 17, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

oklahoma

Blake Griffin is freak. I mean that in a good way. He’s a monster on the glass. He dribbles and shoots like a guard. In a draft with no true 5 man, he’s the best out there. Oklahoma depends too much him (why not depend on Secretariat in a horse race?) and the rest of the players including freshman Willy Warren go to sleep watching him play. His brother Taylor Griffin is pretty good too but I don’t think he’ll even get a cup of coffee in the NBA. Their coach is Jeff Capel, a former Dookie. He’s a very cool customer.

by Okinole on Mar 17, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

SO..

picking Clemson over them is not a bad move?

by badknees81 on Mar 17, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF BRACKETS PER PERSON IN THE CONTEST??

HOW ABOUT 3 EACH

THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A CONSERVATIVE ONE AND A NOT SO ONE

by Mr. Seminole on Mar 18, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I would no† be surprised if Wake or Duke win this thing

I would be more optimistic except for one thing, they keep beating us.

by DocHoliday2 on Mar 18, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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