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Florida State's Cinderella Season Ends in an Overtime Heartbreaker to Wisconsin

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Unfortunately, it was one and done for the Seminoles. After an exciting run through the ACC regular season and ACC tournament, FSU's season came to an end late Friday evening, losing 61-59 to the Wisconsin Badgers.

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The great thing about basketball is that it is a fluid game, filled with subtleties, that on any given night any given team can win. It doesn't matter if you're the best team in the country, there are no guarantees, just ask Wake Forest, West Virginia, Boston College, California and Ohio State. Like any other sport, there is a finality to basketball. At the end of the season in which the Seminoles were able to shut down some of the best teams in the country, to force bad shots at the end of the game, to get the stops when they needed them, we came up short. "We had been fortunate all year long," FSU head coach Leonard Hamilton said. "We had gotten those stops. That was one time where we didn't get the stop."

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That is the beauty of basketball. That is the heart break of basketball. After 40 minutes of back and forth, continuous play, it comes down to one play. Obviously, there are decisions that are made during the game that decrease the likelihood of a game coming down to that last play. "It happened so quick, I don't even think it's real," said Toney Douglas after the game. 

This was an interesting game to watch, almost painful at times. In the first half, both teams were clearly trying to understand the other. Wisconsin demonstrated it's typical patient offense and our defense showed it's merit. Our offense started slow as it always does with limited movement and unnecessary turnovers. However, it seemed like the Noles immediately knew the ticket to success: Solomon Alabi.

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Solomon had two early touches that immediately set what everyone hoped would be the tone of the game: an aggressive inside game exploiting our size. When Alabi was out, Xavier Gibson played outstanding minutes, hustling on both ends of the court.

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Gibson, however, only played 5 minutes. But during that time he put up 6 points, 2 rebounds and 1 block and went to the line 3 times with an ORtg of 114. After his flurry of activity, we didn't see Xavier Gibson again.

After finding a line up that appeared to have the Noles on a clear path to victory, generating a 12 point lead at the half, we didn't see it again. And with those decisions being made, Wisconsin started to hit clusters of threes that brought them back into the game during a 5 minute stretch in which the Noles went scorless. After shooting 1-10 from the 3 point line in the first half, the Badgers went 8-17 in the second half, many of those shots were uncontested. Too many times we were late coming off the screen or late on the switch or too eager to collapse in the paint. "We knew they were going to come out and make a run eventually," Kitchen said. "They made one as soon as the half started. We didn't come out with the same energy. And they made some big shots." Hamilton recognized it as well: ""We lost Bohannon three times running the baseline and he knocked down 3's. And we don't normally do that."

So in a game that appeared to come down to a missed three and a missed defensive stop, it really didn't need to finish that way. The Noles offense that appeared to be rolling came to a complete stop and only put up 21 points in the second half. We went away from what worked well and Wisconin made the shots they weren't making. I think this chart shows it really well:

 

 

We went back to the stair case offense to which I have been referring all year. Long periods of inefficiency and zero scoring. Clearly, there were some poor decisions made with inappropriate passes being made, but the referees did not help. I'm not going to get into too many details, but I was really disappointed with two calls in particular: the charge on Luke Loucks and the time out/travel by Derwin Kitchen. The last time I checked, you cannot run underneath a player once he is in the air and flop and get a charge call. The other unfortunate thing is that Loucks was seriously hurt on the play. I don't know the complete details of his injury, but the lack of his presence hurt us. Toney Douglas played the entire second half and overtime. He looked tired at the end of the game and it showed on that last three he took: it fell short. Derwin did not make the best decision as he was forced to the side line. But the referrees stated that they would not grant the time out, which he wisely tried to call, because he was going out of bounds. But, they called a travel. So was he out of bounds or was it a travel? If it was a travel then you are indicating that he was still in bounds and you could or shold have granted the time out. This was a momentum killer.

Here are the final stats on the night:

 

 

 

This was a defensive battle and unfortunately we couldn't endure through it.We held Wisconsin to a very poor offensive night. They did significantly worse than their season averages. We did as well, but not to the degree that the Badgers did. We were the best defense they saw all year. Unfortunately, we weren't the best offense they have seen nor did we play our best offense game. Once again, we lost the turnover battle. It hurts even more because Wisconsin is not a team that generally creates turnovers. In a game where possessions were precious, we gave up a chance to score once out of almost every 4 trips down the court.

In my preview, I stated that the strongest correlation Wisconsin had with winning was their effective FG%. Last night, they had a better eFG% than us. The statistics held true (for once) and they won. Overall, we did worse than our season average in rebounds, points and assists. So, as much as it seemed that it came down to that one or two plays, it really didn't. But that is the beauty of basketball.

We'll miss you Toney:

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"We had a great year," Hamilton said. "We accomplished a lot."We did and lets hope that we can continue to build and learn from these experiences.

It was a great year.

Go NOLES!

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Xavier Gibson playing only five minutes was befuddling.

Still proud of this team.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Mar 21, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Gibson that good?

I’ve seen a lot of praise for him but I’ve never seen him do much on the court. Maybe I’m missing his better plays or I’m just looking in the wrong place.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Mar 21, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has played limited minutes. But when he does, his performance is usually excellent.

But I don’t think that Hamilton has figured how to best use Alabi and Gibson. They are both excellent post players with very different styles of game. He’s going to be fun to watch over the next few years.

by TrueCubbie on Mar 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the coaches are confused as to what to do with two big men.

But, Gibson and Alabi play completely different styles of game and it wouldn’t be that big an issue to have both of them in the game at the same time. Alabi is very smooth in the paint but he is not able to step out and defend on the perimeter nor can he create a shot from outside. He shoots the jumper well, but he is a true back to the basket kind of player.

Gibson is very athletic for a big man. Look at someone like Dirk Nowitzki; he’s 7’0 tall and is totally comfortable playing on the wing. Gibson moves extremely well in open space and is able to put the ball on the floor for a small amount of time in a confined space. He will drive to the basket. He will run the floor. He will need to work on his defense if he is going to step out from the block.

The point is that these two guys, despite being very similar size, play two different types of game and are two very different players. We need to think outside the box a little bit. Could you imagine having that much size on the court at one time? You could keep both of them in the paint by playing a little high-low game.

These are two talented players that only make the Noles better by playing more minutes.

by TrueCubbie on Mar 21, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am just glad to have a relavent team again.

My expectations for next year will be higher and I am still excited about this team’s future. I think it is a lot easier to make the right coaching calls in hindsite and while it is prudent to point mistakes out, those mistakes don’t make Hamilton a garbage coach. I know TC is not saying that, but others have and will.

by TBfisherman on Mar 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're exactly right. It easy to look back, in any game in any sport, and say why didn't he do this or that...

These are simply reflections on the game. Hamilton has put this program back on the map. It may have taken longer than many hoped or expected, but we’re not supposed to be a basketball school.

He has recruited people to our program that few would have had any chance to even talk to. I wish we had a better offensive set, but that can be fixed with assistant coaches. Hamilton is a defensive coach. Defense will get you to where we were this year. Now we need to put up the points.

Thanks for making that excellent point TB.

by TrueCubbie on Mar 21, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hamilton is a great recruiter, but that doesn't make him a good coach.

He’s ok defensively, but it’s not like you institute magic schemes when you’re talking about basketball defense. Football is a different story.

Bottom line is we should have beaten Wisconsin. Yes, Wiscy had a lot of breaks go their way along with some circus shots, but we are the better team.

by FSUjab on Mar 21, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Hamilton was ACC coach of the year, but considering the talent we had, it’s hard to say that we overachieved. I think Ham is the kind of guy that can get a program on track, but he won’t take it as high as it can go. Obviously after this year his job is safe, but if we really want to be a team that can win an ACC title and contend for a final 4, we need a coach who can do more than recruit.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Mar 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recruiting is a huge part of being a college coach.

When refering to a college coach, it is part of being a good coach. Ever since Hamilton has been here, I have heard that he doesn’t really do much actual coaching. I am fine with that, if he can delegte efficiently (something Bowden has lost the ability to do). I admit our offensive scheme (or lack thereof) is weak, but as TC mentioned, that can be addressed with assistants (and I would add recruiting). People forget how bad we were 7 years ago, and the lack of commitment FSU had to the basketball program. We have improved every year that Hamilton has been here. If that improvement stalls short of being an elite program, then we can talk about replacing him.

by TBfisherman on Mar 21, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you to a certain exent.

For one, I’m not completely sold on the idea that basketball coaches do much anyway. Second, we aren’t exactly an elite basketball program, so maybe Hamilton is as good as we can get for the time.

by FSUjab on Mar 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#4 for the first pic: "its not turn your head and cough time, its tourny time"

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wisconsin's basketball team plays better football than their football team ever dreamed.

They were allowed to do things to Toney that are illegal in 39 states and get no calls.

The Loucks call ridiculous.

by MattDNole on Mar 21, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you TC

All year long you provided excellent data and pregame threads.
I’ll miss it.
See you all come Football season – It’s not that far to August…

by CelticPride on Mar 21, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Hamilton, Why?

How did Alabi only play 20 minutes (most in the first half) and Gibson only 6?!!!! I realize Gibson is still learning, but this is the tourney. When players get hot, ahem…Singleton, you feed them. I was truly disappointed in the coaching tonight. Hamilton can’t beat the elite coaches he faces. I hate to be a downer, but that was a poor display, regardless of the questionable calls. We had the game fully under control going into the half. Great season Seminoles. I hope Loucks is ok as well. Here’s to a return 2010 tourney!! GO NOLES.

by HeedNole on Mar 21, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton's substitution patterns (ie taking out someone who just hit 3 straight 3s)

were one of my biggest criticisms of him going into the season.

It’s nice to see his moderate amount of success this season hasn’t changed him.

by MattDNole on Mar 21, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tell me about it

I can’t stand the offensive scheme we play. i admire the way we play D, but we need to get an assistant who can come in and really coach our young players. I just hope these young superstars can blossom, because we need a Thornton/Douglas type to help the offense. They learned and honed their game on their own, not because of the coaching.

by HeedNole on Mar 21, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree about the assistant coach.

With the way Hamilton recruits, he needs to stay as the face of the program. Plus, there is no way they would ever let him go after this season: ACC Coach of the Year, 1st NCAA Tournament in 11 years etc…

But, why don’t we have a better offensive scheme? I know Hamilton likes to run the motion offense with the hopes that his “athletes” will outplay our opponents. But, if we had any organization this team would be incredible. With the defense we play, any systematic offense would move us even closer to being a regular power house.

With our size down low with Alabi, Gibson, Reid and even the likes of Demercy, I would love to see us run a dribble drive motion offense. In that offense the point guard or the best ball handler regularly tries to penetrate the defense. If they collapse you then dish to a wing, let’s say Michael Snaer or Dulkys, or you dump the ball into the lap of a big man whose trailing the penetrating guard or collapsing from the weak side.

How many times did the lob play work for Solomon Alabi? Every single time. How often did we see it? Rarely. Toney Douglas was our offense this year. Currently, there is no one who has identified themselves as that go to scorer so it is going to be a collective effort. Alabi can’t bring the ball up court. Singleton isn’t ready to consistently create his own shot off the dribble. We’re very close, but give this team more structure on offense.

by TrueCubbie on Mar 21, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much of it is a time issue? You only have to so much time to practice. With all the new players coming in a lot of that time would have to be spent on conditioning and defense as those are obviously higher qualities to this staff than offense, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I realize that offense has been a problem in the past so that might not be applicable here but it’s a thought.

I disagree with the DDM idea. I don’t think we have enough players that can drive and dish.

by evenflow58 on Mar 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I think developing players has been a strong suit over the last 7 years. I credit this to our assistant coaches. Al Thorton was very athletic, but raw when he got here. An even better example of a player progressing each year is Jason Rich. Toney Douglas couldn’t play defense when he got here and just won the ACC Defensive POY award. He didn’t so that on his own.

I agree with you and TC that our offensive coaching needs to be addressed though. After our sucess this year though, I am willing to let things develop another year before making any drastic asst. coaching changes.

by TBfisherman on Mar 21, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ham plays Derwin Kitchen too much

He’s a nice player, but he turns it over a lot and sometimes tries to do too much on offense.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Mar 21, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's going to be interesting to see what he does next year.

Who is going to play the point along side Michael Snaer? Kitchen? Loucks? Pierre? It’s going to be interesting to see who steps and takes over this team.

I really think this was Singleton’s coming out party. He played a fantastic game and I really think he is starting to mature into the kind of player we expected him to be. Look for him to come out of the gates quickly next year.

by TrueCubbie on Mar 21, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully Ham tells him that he's a forward

Not a 2 guard.

For a guy his size, he’s unbelievably soft.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Mar 21, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Singleton that is

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Mar 21, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is easy to forget Kitchen is just a sophomore transfer. His decisions will get better.

Unfortunately, we didn’t have a great second option to TD. Hopefully Snaer will be able to distribute the ball well.

by TBfisherman on Mar 21, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked how aggresive he was early....

IT seemed to die off throughout the game though.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 22, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Louck’s facebook page, he isn’t sure what is wrong with his elbow and is getting an MRI on Monday.

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stalker

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Mar 21, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you not seen the new Facebook layout? It give you no choice but to be notified with what everyone and their mother is doing at any moment in time.

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 22, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junior Day

It was a good basketball season as far as I am concerned. I think next year will be better they have turned the corner. Someobody to help Leonard with offense wouldn’t be a bad idea though. I have noticed myself they just go stone cold once in awhile. You don’t see that much with the Dukes and North Carolinas they find a way to keep pushing that ball in the hole.

How about some news on junior day. You boys are in Tally?

by DocHoliday2 on Mar 21, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ladies

Hey fellas, lets talk about the year the ladies have had, and still having. It must be the best year FSU womens basketball, at least in my memory. Sue Semerau has done one hellava job and deserves her contract redone if it hasn’t been recently. They’re in the UConn bracket so this year may end ugly but these ladies deserve some props.

by Okinole on Mar 22, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ECHEFU

he wouldnt take a shot

by Mr. Seminole on Mar 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Can’t say thank you enough, and I’m glad to read (in one of the comments) that you have even more for us. (By the way, since our season’s officially over, and I don’t see NoleCC anywhere, can we call him Recruiter Hamilton again? It’s not like it’s that mean; I heard toward the end of the season some people decided to start calling him “Coach of the Year” – now that’s sarcasm!)

by TRMNole on Mar 22, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona in the Sweet 16 has just made me a supporter of the BCS.

Arizona in the Sweet 16 has to be a joke right? They not only get the worst 5 seed in recent NCAA history, they then get Cleveland State? The NCAA baiscally red carpeted them a trip to the Sweet 16. It says something about your sport when a team can take the entire season, get in based on pure rep and name alone and be within four games of being crowned the “National Champ.”

I bet teams like Oklahoma State, Texas, Washington, Texas A&M have got to be scratching their heads how a team like Arizona backed in to the Sweet 16.

About the game, I hate HATE Big Eleven basketball. They don’t play basketball, I don’t know what sport is it, but it ain’t basketball. Scores like 38-33, 49-45, 51-56 shows that they don’t play basketball in the Big Eleven. It makes me sick that we lost to a team coached by Bo Ryan. Thats why I hate most college coaches, they over coach so much. The guy tries to choreograph every single possesion and basketball isn’t like that its a free flowing sport.

I can’t believe we got beat by a bunch of pasty white boys, they aren’t even pasty Duke white boys. I could live with that but Wisconsin. Frustrating.

"You play to win the game, you don't just play to play" - Herm Edwards

by 'Nolefan on Mar 23, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to say thanks TC...

Really appreciate all of the hard work and in depth analysis you provided all year long. its been a lot of fun

by Renegade11 on Mar 23, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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