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MBB Game 30: FSU at Duke, 3/3 at 8pm EST

Florida St. Seminoles at Duke Blue Devils, Mar 3, 2009 8:00 PM EST


Get that out of here...

Florida State's Solomon Alabi, top, and Duke's Gerald Henderson battle for a first-half rebound during an NCAA college basketball game, Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009, in Tallahassee, Fla. From AP Photo by Phil Coale.

Tonight we head to Cameron Indoor.

Time to return the favor and beat Duke on their home court.

Spoil Duke's attempt at an ACC Championship.

Expect Greatness. No Let Downs.

Star-divide

Ryan Reid on FSU's tournament chances: "Right now, everybody's saying, 'Oh, we're in, we're in,' But for us, we almost don't talk about it. We've got to take every game personally… We're still fighting."

Speaking of:

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Before we get into the thick of it, here is a really nice piece on Toney from Seminoles.com

Obviously there are a lot of opinions on where we stand with the selection committee. Check out MattD's excellent discussion on where we might end up in the ACC tournament. Here are a couple of other opinions about the NCAA tournament: Lunardi, one of the best Bracketology sites and the composite list from the BracketProject

Tonight we travel to Cameron Indoor to take on the Duke Blue Devils and the Cameron Crazies and try to potentially spoil their run at an ACC Championship and add yet another line to our tournament resume. Duke was named team of the week by ESPN.com. Note that there is some discussion about FSU at the bottom of that article.

When Duke visited the Tucker Center in January, we saw two teams struggling to find any offense in the first half, scoring 33 points total. We held Duke to 19 points. The teams went on to score a combined 91 points in the second half. FSU scored a total of 7 points between 11:03 left in the first half to 15:40 left in the second half, for a whopping .45 points per minute or game play. Despite being flat for almost 15 minutes of play, the Noles came storming back in the second half only to lose 66-58. Gerald Henderson had a then career high with 25 points. Their next highest scorer was Kyle Singler with 15. Duke shot a respectible 42.9% against us, while we struggled to finish with a 31% FG%. Douglas had 18, Kitchen 16 and Uche 10. Reid, Gibson, Loucks and Dulkys did not score. Alabi only had 4 and Demercy had two. We shot a delightful 17.6% from the three point line.

Here is how we did in that game:

 

 

 

Despite the loss and the lack luster offense, many of us were encouraged by the determination that this team showed. We could have easily folded when Duke went on that huge run to start the second half. Toney Douglas played inspired basketball in the second half and the effort from everyone was easily appreciated. I think this game really changed the mindset/expectations of this team. It was almost the blow out we all expected it to be, but we we're in the game.

 

 

We couldn't get anything done on offense in the first half and left us in too big a hole to recover. Take a look at the chart above and look at how drastically different our offensive numbers were in that game compared to our season average. I know our offense is nothing to get worked up about, but 0.85 PPP is brutal. Granted holding Duke to less than 1 PPP was impressive.

In my Clemson preview, I talked about the Four Factors and their correlation to Clemson's victories and losses. Here is how Duke has done this year with the Four Factors, these are the season averages of the four:

 

 

The two things that stand out are the consistency of Duke's shooting and that their turnover percentage continues to go down. They have shot the ball very well from the beginning of the season. And despite playing a very difficult schedule, their schedule ranks 13th overall according to Ken Pomeroy, their turnover percentage has ever so slightly trended down.

 

In their 5 losses (Boston College, UNC, Clemson, Wake and Michigan), Duke has had a significantly lower shooting percentage than their opponent. There have been other games in which Duke has shot a lower eFG% than there opponent and won. But the discrepancies in their losses is much more apparent. In fact, the average difference is roughly 8.46%.The most significant correlation to Duke's wins and losses is their opponents ability to limit Duke's eFG%. It has a 0.87 correlation coefficient Remember, the closer to 1 you are the, more stronger the relationship. If you challenge Duke's shots, take them out of their comfort zone, you have the best chance of winning. If Duke has a good shooting night, the correlation is 0.82, demonstrating the importance of their shooting on their success. The next most significant correlation is rebounding, specifically Duke's ability to limit their opponent's offensive rebounds. Moral of the story, don't let Duke get good looks at the basket and take care of your offensive rebounds. Closely behind the rebounds is TO%: If Duke turns the ball over, you have a pretty good chance of winning.

This graph demonstrates the correlation between Duke's losses and eFG%:

 

 

Despite a couple of hiccups in early conference play, Duke is an outstanding Basketball team. At the beginning of the year, I thought they were the top team in the conference:

Compared to UNC, Duke plays a much slower tempo offense and currently scores about 1.15 pts per possession. They play outstanding D and force almost 25 to's per game. They shoot extremely well from floor and they take care of the offensive boards. They have 7 players with offensive ratings over 110, which is excellent. When they have the ball, they score. However, like the Noles they turn the ball over a lot for an elite team. Unlike the Noles, they actually score on a regular basis. Duke is also a relatively tall team, ranking 36th overall for avg minutes weighted height, and 44th for effective height. You're still saying, "you're crazy, UNC still has better numbers." Having watched both teams this year, I think Duke's offensive systems and energy on defense is going to put them at the top. Again, I'm a total softy on this and could easily be convinced that UNC should be at the top. UNC scores by running you out of your defense and making quick baskets based on hustle and opportunity. Yes, they can play offense in the half court as well. But I feel that Duke's offense wears defenses down and will be able to score regularly against the ACC defenses. They will be able to break down man-to-man and zone schemes.

 

Since I wrote that, Duke has improved their turnovers troubles and plays balanced basketball, ranking 6th and 8th on offense and defense respectively. Here are Duke's numbers:

                      Offense               Defense
Raw Efficiency : 111.9 ( 20) 92.1 ( 15)
Adj Efficiency : 117.1 ( 6) 87.6 ( 8)

Effective FG% : 51.0 (101) 46.8 ( 74)
Turnover Pct. : 17.9 ( 32) 24.2 ( 19)
Off. Rebound% : 38.9 ( 22) 32.1 (146)
Free Throw Rate: 40.2 ( 73) 30.9 ( 51)

3-Point FG% : 33.7 (185) 32.6 ( 80)
2-Point FG% : 51.2 ( 63) 46.0 ( 95)
Free Throw Pct.: 72.5 ( 57) 68.7 (170)
Block Pct. : 9.8 (244) 9.7 (114)
Steal Pct. : 8.4 ( 47) 12.5 ( 22)

3PA/FGA : 33.7 (151) 25.3 ( 4)
A/FGM : 50.3 (262) 43.8 ( 8)

 

 

Lots and lots of green. They shoot the ball consistently well from inside the 3 point line. They get to the line. They protect the basketball and they frustrate you on defense. The major blemishes on the the defensive side of the ball are their ability to limit opponents OReb and shot blocking. Their major sore thumb is the number of times they get blocked. But, Duke likes to attack the basket and is therefore more likely to get blocked. Duke's majore defensive liability is their ability to stop their opponents in the paint. Duke's defends the 3 point shot well and forces their opponents into bad shots. But their opponents scores almost 60% of their points inside the arc. Zoubek, despite being a big body, is not an oustanding center. 

For comparison sake, here are our numbers:

                      Offense               Defense
Raw Efficiency : 100.0 (201) 93.4 ( 25)
Adj Efficiency : 104.0 (128) 88.3 ( 11)

Effective FG% : 48.4 (195) 44.6 ( 21)
Turnover Pct. : 22.7 (289) 23.4 ( 37)
Off. Rebound% : 35.5 ( 81) 35.8 (280)
Free Throw Rate: 41.2 ( 52) 34.8 (140)

3-Point FG% : 33.6 (191) 32.4 ( 67)
2-Point FG% : 47.4 (197) 42.4 ( 18)
Free Throw Pct.: 72.4 ( 62) 68.1 (133)
Block Pct. : 8.1 (123) 16.2 ( 6)
Steal Pct. : 10.0 (187) 12.7 ( 17)

3PA/FGA : 33.8 (145) 35.7 (267)
A/FGM : 53.2 (196) 46.9 ( 22)

Fortunately for us, Duke's ability to win doesn't correlate strongly with their offensive rebounding, which is something we have struggled with all year (The lone red number in the defensive column). Our strongest correlation to winning is our shooting percentage, by a long shot. When we shoot well and our opponent's defense doesn't shut down our shooting (two different stats), we win. If we turn the ball over and/or their deffense forces a lot turnovers, we loose. The strongest correlation however, is our opponents defensive eFG%.

Our team is different from the one that Duke beat in January. Our offense is crisper; we have shown purpose on offense and our defense continues to be outstanding. Out big men are getting the job down low. This game will come down to who shoots the ball better. Henderson had a career game last time; I doubt that we'll let him do that again. Can we prevent their big three (Henderson, Paulus and Scheyer) from having big nights? Yes.

Here are the likely starting line ups:

PROBABLE STARTERS FOR FLORIDA STATE
F #31 Chris Singleton (7.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg; 6 pts and 3 rebs vs. Duke, Jan. 10, 2009)
F #41 Uche Echefu (8.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg; 6 pts and 7 rebs vs. Duke, Jan. 16, 2008)
C #32 Solomon Alabi (8.1 ppg, 2.1 bpg; 4 pts and 9 rebs vs. Duke, Jan. 10, 2009)
G #22 Derwin Kitchen (8.4 ppg, 2.3 apg; 16 pts and 5 stls vs. Duke, Jan. 10, 2009)
G #23 Toney Douglas (20.6 ppg, 2.0 spg; 18 pts and 2 stls vs. Duke, Jan. 10, 2009)

PROBABLE STARTERS FOR DUKE
F #12 Kyle Singler (16.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg; 15 pts and 5 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan. 10, 2009)
F #42 Lance Thomas (5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg; 1 pt and 3 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan. 10, 2009)
G #15 Gerald Henderson (16.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg; 25 pts and 5 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan. 10, 2009)
G #20 Elliot Williams (3.8 ppg, 0.5 apg; 1 pts and 0 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan. 10, 2009)
G #30 Jon Scheyer (13.9 ppg, 2.8 apg; 21 pts and 2 stls vs. Florida State, Jan. 16, 2008)

 

Like the last game, it will be an ugly first half with each team trying to figure out how to break the other's pressure defense. Fortunately, we are doing better against the press. Look for another relatively low scoring defensive battle. I would love for us to come out with a win. It is certainly possible. We are going to make the tournament. A win only helps our seed. We have nothing to lose. We should go into Cameron Indoor with confidence and get after Duke and play physical frustrating defense. Get Singler into foul trouble. Get Paulus into foul trouble. Frustrate this team and they get derailed easily. My fear is that Duke is going to get all of the calls at home and once again we will see the huge FT discrepancy we saw last time. (Highly entertaining videos on each of those links)

 

Take it to 'em Toney!

Florida State's Toney Douglas, left, works the ball against Duke's Nolan Smith during the second half.

 

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And, Solomon, play the game of your life.

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Uche...you know what to do...take care of business:

DURHAM, NC - FEBRUARY 04:  Uche Echefu #41 of the Florida State Seminoles tries to take the ball away from DeMarcus Nelson #21 of the Duke Blue Devils on Febraury 4, 2007 at Cameron Indoor Stadium in Durham, North Carolina.  (Photo by Streeter Lecka/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Uche Echefu;DeMarcus Nelson From Getty Images.

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Look for the game on www.atdhe.net or justin.tv. The game will be televised on Raycom Sports. Sirius XM users go to Channel 190. 

Go Noles!

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I want to beat these guys so badly.

They just flat out cheat. I know the ACC hates the ’Noles because we are one of the four private schools in conference (NCST, UNC, Maryland).

Maybe Chris Singleton can offer Mr. Paulus a nice platter of balls.

How will Nolan Smith’s absence affect Duke?

I’ll say 69-63, DUKE, but I hope I am wrong.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Puhhleaazzz!

Tony would beat Paulus’ @ss!

by FSUjab on Mar 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

You mean 4 Public schools?

Either way there are 4 private schools in the ACC and we’re not one of them. Wake, Miami, BC, and Duke. All of the other 8 are Public.

Anyway, I hope we beat Duke tonight and spoil their ACC Championship and have at least 10 wins in the ACC.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Mar 3, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Lets hope for an off night behind the arc for the Dukies...

If they are not hitting 3’s, they are very beatable. Oh, and also D-up Henderson.

by badknees81 on Mar 3, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

go noles

dont know what else to say. I hope we win. I will know if we did if at 1030pm I dont have 20 missed calls from Duram.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 3, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe all the recent pub over the horrible Duke travels

will result in a tightly-called game on Duke tonight. Well, probably not …

by hopnole23 on Mar 3, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks again Cubbie

I love all the in depth analysis. I would like to add one observation that I made. If we only shoot 17% from 3 again we will not win. I would like to make the following suggestion for Coach Ham to make to the players.

1) If in doubt of the following stipulations, do not shoot a 3-pointer.
2) If your last name is Dulkys and you have no one within an 8-foot perimeter of you, then you may attempt a 3-pointer.
3) If your initials are TD and it is the second half, then you may attempt a 3-pointer.
4) If your number is 22, and you are falling out of bounds, after being run over by an opposing player, you may attempt a 3-pointer.
5) If none of the above circumstances apply to you, then under no conditions may you attempt a 3-pointer, especially if you are a former McDonald’s HS All-American who wears a headband.

The other thing I remember from the last meeting was Henderson dominating us. He was hitting shots from all over. I don’t know what his final stats were, but we need to stop him from having another big game against us as noted above.

by TBfisherman on Mar 3, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I hope Alabi had just blocked the shot in the top picture...

When you scroll over picture the caption says he is battling for a rebound. I don’t like his chances in that case, and it would be an appropriate representation of our rebounding. I like TC’s remark better.

by TBfisherman on Mar 3, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

the game is on espn360.com if your isp is compatible with it

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Nole's down 2-0

Echefu hacked on a layup attempt – nice entry pass…

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

I am not digging these uni’s.

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

espn360 feed is about 20 sec behind :(

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

TV-timeout

FSU up 4 – duke to the line for 2

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

11:35 Mark. 16-12 Noles

Points 16
Field Goals 6-13, 46%
Free Throws 2-2, 100%
3-Pointers 2-4, 50%
Off. Rebounds 0
Def. Rebounds 4
Total Rebounds 4
Assists 3
Blocks 0
Fouls 5
Steals 1
Turnovers 3

Points 12
Field Goals 5-10, 50%
Free Throws 1-1, 100%
3-Pointers 1-5, 20%
Off. Rebounds 1
Def. Rebounds 5
Total Rebounds 6
Assists 2
Blocks 0
Fouls 3
Steals 0
Turnovers 5

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks.

I like what I see so far…need to settle down a litle more and not fall for their antics.

by TrueCubbie on Mar 3, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the offense

Getting the ball inside and getting good shots

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Good defense again

Altering a lot of shots – and good block out Loose ball foul on Duke

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent

lead back to 3 (he missed the ft)

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

At 7:48

Points 20
Field Goals 8-18, 44%
Free Throws 2-3, 66%
3-Pointers 2-5, 40%
Off. Rebounds 1
Def. Rebounds 8
Total Rebounds 9
Assists 4
Blocks 1
Fouls 6
Steals 1
Turnovers 6

Points 17
Field Goals 6-18, 33%
Free Throws 4-5, 80%
3-Pointers 1-6, 16%
Off. Rebounds 3
Def. Rebounds 8
Total Rebounds 11
Assists 2
Blocks 1
Fouls 7
Steals 0
Turnovers 6

Pretty good

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

This is a graet game so far..intensity wise we are definately playing our hearts out

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Hey FSUn

Loucks should not see the court. He hasn’t adjusted to the college game yet.

by TBfisherman on Mar 3, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

TIMEOUT DUKE! 6:02 28-20

Points 28
Field Goals 11-22, 50%
Free Throws 3-6, 50%
3-Pointers 3-6, 50%
Off. Rebounds 2
Def. Rebounds 11
Total Rebounds 13
Assists 4
Blocks 2
Fouls 8
Steals 1
Turnovers 7

Points 20
Field Goals 6-21, 28%
Free Throws 7-9, 77%
3-Pointers 1-7, 14%
Off. Rebounds 3
Def. Rebounds 10
Total Rebounds 13
Assists 2
Blocks 1
Fouls 8
Steals 1
Turnovers 6

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

I'm behind b/c I'm watching the other (better) insgadget feed

So I’ll confine my comments to commercials
We were lucky on the Dulkys play but TD"s 3 was sweeet…

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

FSU timeout 5:26 28-24 Noles

Points 28
Field Goals 11-23, 47%
Free Throws 3-6, 50%
3-Pointers 3-6, 50%
Off. Rebounds 2
Def. Rebounds 11
Total Rebounds 13
Assists 4
Blocks 2
Fouls 9
Steals 1
Turnovers 7

Points 24
Field Goals 7-22, 31%
Free Throws 8-11, 72%
3-Pointers 2-8, 25%
Off. Rebounds 3
Def. Rebounds 11
Total Rebounds 14
Assists 3
Blocks 1
Fouls 8
Steals 1
Turnovers 6

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

I would shoot Paulus in the head…twice

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

32-26 at the 3:44 mark.

Points 32
Field Goals 12-27, 44%
Free Throws 5-8, 62%
3-Pointers 3-8, 37%
Off. Rebounds 3
Def. Rebounds 13
Total Rebounds 16
Assists 4
Blocks 2
Fouls 9
Steals 1
Turnovers 7

Points 26
Field Goals 8-25, 31%
Free Throws 8-11, 72%
3-Pointers 2-9, 22%
Off. Rebounds 4
Def. Rebounds 11
Total Rebounds 15
Assists 4
Blocks 1
Fouls 9
Steals 1
Turnovers 6

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

I don't like us playing the zone D

Duke is too well coached and will be able to find the open man

by basbalstr101 on Mar 3, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

raycomsports.com is broadcasting it free, very good quality and almost no lag. You have to register though.

by Jaguar on Mar 3, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

only certain ISPs in certain states though

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

aw poor zoubek

how could they call a foul on you when you plowed someone over

by mittens on Mar 3, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

What was that mugging all about.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Up 5

time for a nole last shot

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

GIBSON!

Drew the foul! McClure’s 3rd.

Makes 1 of the two. Duke’s 3pt attempt is no good.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

40-34 Noles at the half!

Points 40
Field Goals 14-31, 45%
Free Throws 9-14, 64%
3-Pointers 3-9, 33%
Off. Rebounds 3
Def. Rebounds 17
Total Rebounds 20
Assists 4
Blocks 2
Fouls 11
Steals 1
Turnovers 7

Points 34
Field Goals 10-32, 31%
Free Throws 10-15, 66%
3-Pointers 4-15, 26%
Off. Rebounds 5
Def. Rebounds 14
Total Rebounds 19
Assists 6
Blocks 1
Fouls 12
Steals 1
Turnovers 6

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

We just put up 40 on Duke on the first half.

What a crazy crazy world. I hope we’re not too spent for the 2nd half.

by pbysh on Mar 3, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

We're shooting well percentagewise

But we’re getting good shots for the most part

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Any correlation to good defenses and the amount of 3’s shot against them? I would bet that the better defenses give up a lot of 3-ball looks.

by evenflow58 on Mar 3, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 20 defenses

Memphis (CUSA) 68.8 ( 97) 68.0 (108) 109.3 ( 41) 111.9 ( 42) 84.6 ( 1) 80.6 ( 1) .978 ( 1)
Louisville (BE) 69.1 ( 87) 68.3 ( 96) 106.2 ( 84) 110.4 ( 51) 88.6 ( 4) 84.0 ( 2) .959 ( 7)
Purdue (B10) 65.9 (188) 67.7 (118) 105.3 (102) 109.2 ( 63) 88.1 ( 2) 85.3 ( 3) .945 ( 15)
Connecticut (BE) 67.5 (135) 67.4 (130) 112.9 ( 13) 115.6 ( 15) 90.6 ( 7) 85.3 ( 4) .970 ( 3)
Illinois (B10) 62.9 (298) 63.6 (282) 102.5 (152) 105.8 ( 99) 89.1 ( 5) 85.6 ( 5) .919 ( 24)
West Virginia (BE) 66.6 (161) 66.3 (178) 109.0 ( 51) 113.7 ( 26) 92.2 ( 16) 86.6 ( 6) .958 ( 8)
Kansas (B12) 69.8 ( 64) 69.0 ( 75) 111.1 ( 25) 115.1 ( 18) 92.2 ( 17) 87.3 ( 7) .960 ( 6)
Duke (ACC) 70.1 ( 59) 68.4 ( 93) 111.9 ( 19) 117.1 ( 6) 92.1 ( 15) 87.7 ( 8) .965 ( 5)
Stephen F. Austin (Slnd) 64.8 (255) 63.5 (287) 96.7 (256) 94.5 (271) 88.6 ( 3) 88.3 ( 9) .684 ( 97)
Michigan St. (B10) 66.4 (168) 67.7 (117) 109.8 ( 37) 114.1 ( 23) 94.8 ( 40) 88.3 ( 10) .950 ( 11)

Florida St. (ACC) 68.4 (106) 67.4 (131) 99.9 (200) 104.0 (127) 93.5 ( 25) 88.4 ( 11) .867 ( 44)
Washington St. (P10) 58.1 (342) 58.5 (342) 101.7 (168) 105.6 (105) 94.1 ( 31) 88.7 ( 12) .881 ( 39)
Missouri (B12) 73.1 ( 13) 72.6 ( 15) 111.8 ( 21) 115.1 ( 19) 90.5 ( 6) 88.8 ( 13) .952 ( 10)
Washington (P10) 71.8 ( 27) 73.6 ( 9) 109.2 ( 46) 113.2 ( 32) 95.6 ( 55) 89.1 ( 14) .941 ( 16)
Wake Forest (ACC) 75.7 ( 6) 73.6 ( 8) 108.4 ( 58) 112.4 ( 37) 91.9 ( 13) 89.1 ( 15) .936 ( 18)
Brigham Young (MWC) 69.4 ( 81) 70.3 ( 44) 112.7 ( 14) 115.2 ( 17) 93.1 ( 23) 89.2 ( 16) .950 ( 12)
Xavier (A10) 67.8 (121) 67.2 (142) 107.5 ( 73) 110.6 ( 49) 92.0 ( 14) 89.6 ( 17) .918 ( 25)
Kentucky (SEC) 71.4 ( 31) 68.5 ( 88) 106.2 ( 85) 107.2 ( 82) 92.2 ( 18) 89.7 ( 18) .886 ( 35)
North Carolina (ACC) 76.9 ( 2) 75.4 ( 5) 117.9 ( 1) 123.6 ( 1) 94.2 ( 32) 90.4 ( 19) .973 ( 2)
Texas (B12) 68.0 (112) 66.7 (165) 106.8 ( 82) 109.8 ( 56) 94.9 ( 44) 90.4 ( 20) .904 ( 28)

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Strangely...

The top 5 all see far fewer 3pt shots than average.

FSU sees a TON.

WOW. The top 10… is all in the bottom 3rd as far as % of shots faced that are 3pt shots

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a surprise from FSU’s stand point. Length plus Ham’s philosophy of giving up the three in lieu of the two is no surprise. I really thought the rest would be flipped. Interesting.

by evenflow58 on Mar 3, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

blinded with rage

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Not ALL Canadians...

only special ones like me and digital sports cable….zing!

by Canuck_NoleFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, well then its cool

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A little OT but....

Can someone tell me what the #!#! is G?

by pbysh on Mar 3, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

I considered it being Gatorade but I figured it was something else...

considering the flurry of “G is this and that” commercials I dunno it just seemed like it was something else. That’s dumb. :/

by pbysh on Mar 3, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

they came out with G2 so they changed the “original formula” or whatever to G

by mittens on Mar 3, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it though

I saw a few commercials where the “knights” are in “the quest for G” (it’s a quite hilarious Monty Python reference) but they’re drinking gatorade while looking for G…. so what gives?

by pbysh on Mar 3, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. They aired the What is G campaign during the Sugar Bowl to get interest in it

Then finally put a Gatorade bottle at the end of the commercial during the Super Bowl

by basbalstr101 on Mar 3, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

H2O!!!

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No Professor, your wrong! The gators all grumpy because he has all those teeth and no toothbrush

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Medulla Oblongata...

bwahahaha, not only do I get good updates on the game when I’m busy doing other things then watching it but I also get crazy good laughs!

by Canuck_NoleFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Great half by us.

We played lights out. 20 more minutes, and we can take this!

by fsunole23 on Mar 3, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, the worse start I could imagine barring someone getting hurt

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Hamiltont akes the timeout as Duke has cut the lead to 4.

Points 42
Field Goals 15-33, 45%
Free Throws 9-14, 64%
3-Pointers 3-9, 33%
Off. Rebounds 3
Def. Rebounds 18
Total Rebounds 21
Assists 5
Blocks 2
Fouls 12
Steals 1
Turnovers 9

Points 38
Field Goals 12-35, 34%
Free Throws 10-15, 66%
3-Pointers 4-16, 25%
Off. Rebounds 5
Def. Rebounds 15
Total Rebounds 20
Assists 7
Blocks 1
Fouls 12
Steals 3
Turnovers 6

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

We know they're going to make a run

We just need to get our heads back in to the game

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

WHy do we consistently fall for that in our zone and Duke shoots a three... luckily he missed

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

For crying out loud, that three shooter for Duke is a maniac.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Paulus is not a maniac, he is a little b^%&$

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

tomatoe ------to mat o

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

ewwww all around.

we need electro shock therapy during this TO

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

so guys hows it looking

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 3, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

Judging from this thread...

Like a freakin rollercoaster!

I can’t decide by reading if everyone is excited or pissed off

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Mar 3, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Tie game

Duke starting to hit from 3 – 13:56 to go

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Got away with one.

Singleton got all arm on Singler’s 3 ball.
Ryan Reid is our unquestioned leader.

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

Back and forth they go

Duke hits another three to go up 3

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

55-52, Paulus fouls Loucks, TV timeout 11:39

Points 52
Field Goals 19-43, 44%
Free Throws 10-16, 62%
3-Pointers 4-12, 33%
Off. Rebounds 5
Def. Rebounds 22
Total Rebounds 27
Assists 7
Blocks 3
Fouls 13
Steals 1
Turnovers 9

Points 55
Field Goals 18-48, 37%
Free Throws 12-17, 70%
3-Pointers 7-24, 29%
Off. Rebounds 7
Def. Rebounds 19
Total Rebounds 26
Assists 8
Blocks 1
Fouls 14
Steals 3
Turnovers 6

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

I effin hate Duke and their fans

by thirdcoastnole on Mar 3, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

I'm making a wish....

That Soloman comes back in and creates havoc. Their frontcourt could be in big trouble if he draws some whistles.

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

damn

another Duke 3
 58-57 FSU down one

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

DK!

Makes a 3 to go up 2!

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

Traveling

Do we know how to make an offensive possession work?

Tale of 2 halves

by Keebler on Mar 3, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Wow.

I watched that travel call 4 times. That was NOT a travel.

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

7:21 to go

FSU up 62-61 – TV timeout Duke ball

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

62-61, Noles 7:21

Points 62
Field Goals 23-47, 48%
Free Throws 11-18, 61%
3-Pointers 5-13, 38%
Off. Rebounds 5
Def. Rebounds 26
Total Rebounds 31
Assists 10
Blocks 3
Fouls 16
Steals 2
Turnovers 12

Points 61
Field Goals 20-54, 37%
Free Throws 13-20, 64%
3-Pointers 8-26, 30%
Off. Rebounds 8
Def. Rebounds 20
Total Rebounds 28
Assists 9
Blocks 1
Fouls 15
Steals 4
Turnovers 7

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Control the anger Alabi

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

Of course he thinks thats a good tech...

glad the announcers arent bias. I totally agree that you shouldnt come down on someone who keeps their arm in your face

by Miaminole on Mar 3, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

Alabis thinking, "after this game I'm going to eat those little white boys"

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by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

Are we going to give this away at the line

The whistles are starting to come into play here

by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

really wish Solomon took it to them in the 2nd half, would be a different game. Instead, he Donkey Kong’d Singler in the head.

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This is getting away from us. Timeout FSU. 72-66, 5:04

Points 66
Field Goals 25-50, 50%
Free Throws 11-18, 61%
3-Pointers 5-13, 38%
Off. Rebounds 6
Def. Rebounds 26
Total Rebounds 32
Assists 11
Blocks 3
Fouls 18
Steals 2
Turnovers 13

Points 72
Field Goals 23-57, 40%
Free Throws 17-24, 70%
3-Pointers 9-27, 33%
Off. Rebounds 8
Def. Rebounds 20
Total Rebounds 28
Assists 10
Blocks 1
Fouls 15
Steals 5
Turnovers 7

by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

McClure fouls out.

Nice bad call. We’ll take it.

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

The site is too slow for me now, im headed out. later.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

don’t blame the K-Man.

by The K-Man on Mar 3, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Go noles.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father but through me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

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