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Florida State Seminoles Spring Football Preview: Offensive Line

This is the fourth in a series.  Wide Receivers (Unofficial), Quarterbacks, and the Backfield.

By almost any measure, FSU had one of the worst offensive lines in major college football from 2004-2007, relative to their supposed talent level.  Enter highly regarded offensive line coach Rick Trickett in early 2007.  Trickett has now restocked the offensive line with quality depth and despite the predictions of some experts that they would be the worst offensive line in the ACC in 2008, the group exceeded expectations.

I do not buy into the idea that this group was "very good" or "great" in 2008.  They were simply above average.  Considering that the starting five was the youngest in America, that's pretty impressive.  Consider also that they were one of the smallest in major college football.  Still, I saw this line get manhandled during the Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Boston College, and Florida games, four of which ended in losses. 

Perhaps the best thing that Jimbo Fisher did in 2008 was protect his young offensive line.  Huh?  How do you protect an offensive line?  Those bubble screens weren't really a way of offense, but a way to make sure that the defense played us honestly.  That is, they could not commit extra men to stop the running game for fear of getting outflanked by a bubble screen to the speedy Bert Reed (NCST Game), or if they did attempt to load the box while accounting for the bubble, to face a one-on-one jump situation downfield against Greg Carr or Corey Surrency.  Jimbo's bubbletology, along with running Ponder and thus using the guy he would have handed the ball off to as a blocker, gave the offensive line the edge they needed to do a passable job. 

Unfortunately, when teams could stop the run without loading the box, they could account for both the bubble game and the downfield stuff, as Wake, BC, and UF did.  Worse yet, those teams were also able to generate an, often allowing an unacceptable amount of pressure from a simple four man pass rush (not a blitz).  ...pass protections usually start out with the understanding that if the defense rushes five guys, you can pick them up, but your blockers will have to be able to block at least one defender (more likely 2) one-on-one. No pass protection scheme can count on double teaming all possible rushers. If you can’t handle anyone man-for-man, then a five man rush effectively becomes like a seven or eight man blitz, but also with sound coverage behind it.  _Smartfootball.blogspot

This year, we will not be able to protect the offensive line.  Instead, the offensive line must become the protector for the rest of the offense.

Let's discuss the questions facing the line as they head into spring.

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FSU returns their entire two-deep from 2008.  The only loss is offensive tackle Joe Tonga, who played sparingly and is not considered an important loss. 

If this group is going to achieve what Jimbo Fisher calls "dominant status", they need to get stronger.  I have reason to believe that will happen.  Remember that most of these guys can't even buy a beer.  They should continue to mature.

For the Spring, I am interested in

  • seeing whether Left Tackle Andrew Datko has put on weight. Already an excellent technician, Datko must gain strength to be able to withstand the bull rush.  Last year, he was much too short in his drop step, because he feared the bull rush from the stronger player.  This left him open to getting burnt on the edge rush, even though he was fairly quick.  If he gains some more mass, he can retain his quickness and take a deeper setup, while still guarding against the bull rush/ inside move.
  • how Center Ryan McMahon looks after a very average 2008 season.  We learned that he had a foot injury, suffered early in the Virginia Tech game.  Long time readers will remember that we ripped his play in that game and he didn't really ever recover, having a poor bowl game as well. 
  • Who will play right tackle?  Both Zebrie Sanders and Antwane Greenlee have a lot of talent.  Both played at times last year.  If they maintain their current path, I'd expect Sanders to start.  If Greenlee can return to the promise he showed coming out of high school (before he had his spinal injury), then he could be the guy.
  • Will Rodney Hudson make the jump from being  avery good college player to a serious NFL prospect?  That is, will he gain the strength and retain his quickness, allowing him to dominate the opposition?
  • Will Rodney Hudson get any work at center?  McMahon's peak is probably as an above average college player.  If Hudson at Center allows us to get our five best offensive linemen on the field at once, then we need to do that even if it means relegating McMahon to the veteran leader on the bench.
  • Since David Spurlock is out for spring with a minor shoulder procedure, his backup will get the reps.  That raises the question:  Will Furlong... how big is he?  I've heard he is tiny.  Some have speculated that he has some sort of blood problem that prevents him from gaining weight and keeping it on.  We cannot afford to play a 275lb guard.  I'm no Hematologist, but if he does have this problem, it needs to be addressed.  If it cannot be corrected, he needs to be medically disqualified (NCAA rule that allows player to keep his scholarship even though he doesn't count against the scholarship limits).  To be quite blunt, FSU has no use for a 275lb Junior at the Guard position.  

I'm sorry that this isn't that in-depth.  College football is a game dominated by skill position players (as opposed to the NFL, which is definitely a scheme and blocking league).  That's not to say, however, that the offensive line doesn't matter.  It's still extremely important. 

I expect the offensive line to be a strength this year.  If I'm wrong, we'll again see teams re-establish the line of scrimmage three or four yards behind the original line, as BC did in this picture.

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I think the Spring will go a long way to showing what this line will be (minus Furlong, obviously).  The defensive line should be really poor this spring, and the offensive line should dominate them on a daily basis.  If they do not, be prepared for a long year.

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I remember the exact moment that picture was taken

Raji was blowing that up like nobody’s business.

Great take as usual. I don’t think it is very likely Rodney would take over at Center. I know you are not be a big fan of McMahon but he’ll be fine, assuming he got the injury taken care of.

by pbysh on Mar 6, 2009 6:44 AM EST reply actions  

Good job FSUn

Also, I would point out that Stroud thinks the offensive line was the most impressive unit in mat drills. He also claims that Datko gained 14 pounds this offseason, even after mat drills.

As for McMahon, there is no way that he gets reduced to bench duty unless he is unable to overcome the injury. Trickett hand-picked him from the defensive side of the ball back when he was stuck with JB’s fat boys. In addition, the following accolades are listed on Seminoles.com:

· One of the most reliable centers in the ACC.

· Named an honorable mention All-ACC selection by ASCMA/AP.

· A candidate for the Rimington Award as the nation’s top center.

· Bob Crenshaw Award winner for the Seminole with the biggest heart.

· Started all 13 games for FSU and has now started 26 consecutive games.

· In a blowout win over Western Carolina McMahon was replaced at center ending his streak of 994 consecutive offensive snaps.

· Was in on 872 plays this season, second-most among offensive linemen.

· Played as well as any offensive lineman during the second half of the season.

· Graded out at 81% or higher in six of the last seven games and at 85% or higher in four of those games.

· Received the highest overall grade on the team in three of the last seven games.

· Starting with Virginia Tech, McMahon graded out first or second overall four times in the final seven games. [This is interesting in light of his injury, does that mean the rest of the line sucked?]

· Joined Rodney Hudson as the only offensive lineman to receive a top grade overall, a top run blocking grade and a top pass blocking grade in one game (Georgia Tech).

· The only player in 2008 to receive a 100% grade of any sort from OL coach Rick Trickett when he received a 100% in pass blocking versus Virginia Tech. [Also interesting because of the injury]

· The only offensive lineman to receive an overall grade over 90% when he graded out at 93% versus Georgia Tech.

· Posted back-to-back run grades of 97% and 90% against Georgia Tech and Clemson.

· Had the top run or pass grade six times in the last seven games.

· Had six grades in either run or pass blocking of 88% or better in the second half of 2008.

· Had 24 knockdowns and missed just 12 assignments in 872 snaps.

I know you think that McMahon benefits from Hudson being right next to him, but the grades are based on individual achievement. If you’re playing next to a great player, of course you’re going to benefit. So is the whole team. Bottom line: McMahon is already a highly decorated lineman and Trickett loves him. He’s not going anywhere.

by FSUjab on Mar 6, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

Trickett has discussed moving Hudson to center
As for McMahon, there is no way that he gets reduced to bench duty unless he is unable to overcome the injury. Trickett hand-picked him from the defensive side of the ball back when he was stuck with JB’s fat boys.

Trickett has discussed moving Hudson to center. Trickett handpicked McMahon because it was all he had to choose from (no way was O’Dell letting him take a potential starting defensive tackle.

One of the most reliable centers in the ACC.

Completely subjective, published by the same athletic department that said Everette Brown was 6’3"

Bob Crenshaw Award winner for the Seminole with the biggest heart.

I’m more of a performance guy myself. I’m not into effort and toughness. Perform on the field. If you perform well because you are trying harder than the other guy, then so be it, but it’s the performance that counts.

Started all 13 games for FSU and has now started 26 consecutive games.

We had nobody else, literally. Still, it shows that he is durable.

Played as well as any offensive lineman during the second half of the season.

That’s laughable. He played like garbage. Arguably no started performed worse over the second half of the season. I’ll send you video clips once we get them loaded up.

Starting with Virginia Tech, McMahon graded out first or second overall four times in the final seven games. [This is interesting in light of his injury, does that mean the rest of the line sucked?] The only player in 2008 to receive a 100% grade of any sort from OL coach Rick Trickett when he received a 100% in pass blocking versus Virginia Tech. [Also interesting because of the injury]

No, it’s about the time I started pointing out that McMahon was terrible. I singlehandedly inspired McMahon-based discussion for a two week period. Gene Williams and Jeff Cameron discussed it on air. It reached critical mass with people asking Rick Trickett why McMahon was struggling. Not wanting to reveal the injury, he said that McMahon was a warrior, etc. A few days later, those numbers came out. FSU jumped to defend the player and I believe those numbers are false.

The grading can be easily fudged. You can grade based on “successful blocks/ # of snaps”, or you can grade based on “attempted to block the correct person/ # of snaps”

McMahon is still benefiting from his freshman year, in which he was a lock for the freshman ALL-America team because there were no other freshmen who started all of their games.

If McMahon starts for us next year, without significant improvement, I’ll be seriously worried and disappointed and will view this as a reflection on the talent Trickett has brought in (the thought being it is not very good and has not been developed).

by Bud Elliott on Mar 7, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Great work

Too bad for Furlong, I wanted him to succeed at Florida State as he is from my hometown. Also home to an all-pro O-lineman that played at Florida State.

by fsucosta on Mar 6, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think it's just speculation at this point.

…but would suck if he has to be medically DQ’d. Wasn’t he one of Trick’s recruits?

by FSUjab on Mar 6, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He was one of McHales boys

but I think he fit into trickett’s program well..

by fsucosta on Mar 7, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

As has been pointed out several times

Ponder has to get to the place where he can trust these guys and feel comfortable moving around in the pocket. Because the PassPro was suspect at best at times last year, Ponder developed the habit of fleeing (which wasn’t a bad thing in many cases, but it became habitual). Ponder needs to learn (if he can get the time) to use his athleticism in the pocket. Just because you don’t have field to run doesn’t mean you have to be a stiff.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Mar 6, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Tricket Offered NFL Position?

There is a rumor an FSU assistant was offered an NFL job but declined to stay at FSU, any possibility it was Trickett?

by reznik1979 on Mar 6, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

myonly thought is who else could it be.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 6, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Trickett is gold

I dont think he is an OC guy but I think he is one of the best O-line couches in the NCAA or NFL at that. I would see NFL guys trying to get him. There are a lot of teams that need a good base at o-line like the lions and raders. They need a coach that can take the crap they have and make it work tell they can get some good guys in there.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 7, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he would do the NFL

NFL players have leverage that college players do not. You have to treat NFL players with a lot more respect than you do college players.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 7, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Great read my thoughts.

I think you are dead on for the most part but I think Jimbo will be able to protect the line. Teams will still have to worry about the buble screen and Ponder running. As for the jump ball I think we will need to find a replacemt for Carr and Surrency. They might try to use Cameron Wade, Rodney Smith, or Willie Haulstead if they dont RS Smith and Haulstead. I think the idea to keep the O-line smaller is more or less a good Idea. I think jimbo will try to keep them like that so he can more the pocket. I do think they will need to get stronger and with that they could lose there quickness. I dont know where the line is for someone where weight, Str and spped change but I just hope they can get as strong and big as and keep there speed.

As for Will Furlong what about moving him to a FB or TE only. That might be a good idea.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 6, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Also if we can set up the bubble screens

Jimbo might start having to throw more flare passes to the RB’s.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 6, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

about Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Boston College, and Florida

WF seems to have a lot of beet at the DT area again. They will have 5 guys at least that range from 310lb to 330lb. There DE are not that big at all but there are 2 that are about 270+. Thats not good but I feel we can work around it this year.

GT only has one guy over 300lb but there are a few close that might brake into there. GT will have a better D-line next year as they usualy do. running on them will be just as hard but our passing game will help out a lot. Its going to be a harder game next year for us more if the Def cant stop them.

VT does not have a big line at all. The DE are bigger than the DT it seems. I dont think they will be as hard this year as last.

BC took a hit this year after Ron Brace and B.J. Raji. That was BC’s Def. They are also under a new coach and they are going to drop big time. I dont worry to much about them.

UNC has a few guys that if they add some weight they could give us fits. I think this will be one of if not the best Def we face all year in the ACC. They had some things going for them last year. This team is going to be a coin toss because they had the power to stop GT but lost to NCST and Maryland.

Im not going to talk about UF because I hate them that much and I want to make myself beleave we have a good chance at winning that game. I know the truth but maybe if I lie to myself I can beleave.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 6, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Good read.

I think our o line will be top 10 in the country this year. The guys are finally grasping Trickett’s system and it will all come together this year. At least I hope it does.

by fsunole23 on Mar 6, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

McMahon

I find very little to disagree with on this site but McMahon is one of them. Many of his team mates and some coaches have said they believe he will be in the FSU Hall of Fame before he is through at Florida State.

It is true he needs to get stronger but the guy is still a junior coming in this year and off a foot injury as you say.

It may be I am kidding myself but I have to believe with our offensive line scheme being smaller playing in a monsoon such as the Florida game was also part of the problem. When a lineman is depending on mobility it would seem a huge disadvantage not to be able to get traction and be forced into a one on one confrontation with bigger lineman.

I still believe FSU could have made that game a lot closer on a dry field. I am not saying win it but not lose by 30.

by DocHoliday2 on Mar 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

I think you are right about there offensive line scheme

I dont know about McMahon but with a name like that why not the hall of fame, JK. Yes a dry field is great but there is only one problem with that. In the panhandle everyday about 4-6pm for about 5min its going to rain in aug – oct. It Fl. Its the coast its going to rain. If Jimbo wants that to go away we need a dome and I dont see that happening untell then or FSU goes to AZ Rain and mud/sand is FL. Im love how the moving pocket works but thats just something we need to work long and hard on. Soak the practice field and play ing the mud. learn out to deal with it. Dont think it will help but hay its worth a shot.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Mar 7, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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