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Wednesday Open Recruiting Thread 04.22.09: The next Rodney Hudson?

Welcome to the Wednesday Open Recruiting Thread (hereinafter, WORT).

As always, we center our recruiting coverage around the 2010 Recruiting Big Board.  Some of these updates have not been submitted in the table, but they will be.

Added

  • Meet Tramell Williams.  He's a teammate of FSU's new walk-on Tight End prospect, Jonathan Wallace for Jacksonville Lee High.  FSU will likely take one or two interior line prospects this year, and I think one of these could end up being Tramell Williams.  6' 1-1/2", 253lbs with good body composition (very low body fat).  He ran a 4.95 40 yard dash at the ESPN Under Armour Combine and a 5.13 at the NUCombine.  Showed good lateral quickness with a 4.3 shuttle time.  Then went and showed very well in 1-on-1's against multiple defensive line prospects who are sure to be rated 4*'s or higher.  Plays with good knee bend and effectively uses his pads and his hands.  Has the frame to play at 290lbs.  He reminds me of Rodney Hudson in that he is not an overly hyped prospect, who plays smart and is a very good but somewhat undersized athlete.     Oh, and as you can see, he wants to play for FSU and is a big Nole fan. 

    I recently had the chance to speak with Williams.  [Ed. Note:  Williams is smart.  Sometimes these prospects are unable to form consecutive intelligible sentences.  That was not the case with Williams.]  He said that he's a lifelong FSU fan.  Williams mentioned that he's been in contact with FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett and that Trickett would stop by his school.  We chatted about the ideal system for him (something that lets him use his quickness).  In addition to his snapping (at which he's already pretty good considering he doesn't play center currently), Tramell says he needs to continue to work on finishing his blocks, getting stronger, and reading 2nd level defenders.

    Williams has already taken his SAT, scoring a 900, and boasts an impressive 3.4 GPA... which means that he is already fully qualified.  Williams seems to be one of those guys who really enjoys playing football (as opposed to a guy who plays it only because he's talented).  I don't know if we will offer Williams.  He is on the radar, however, and I don't think we could go wrong extending an offer. 
  • Delroy Steele, DT, Apopka
  • CB Garry [sic] Peters from American Heritage H.S. in Conyers, GA.
  • SDE/ DT Richard Ash, from Pahokee HS
  • DB Robert Boswell, from Flemming Island (FL)
  • DB Demar Dorsey, Gator commit looking around
  • J.R. Ego Ferguson, DE from DC area.  I hadn't added this kid because I figured it was a token offer by FSU, but apparently he has connections to Florida, and is friends with FSU DL commit Darius Cummings. 
  • TE Alex Welch, Ohio
    From member and Ohio resident Ghanki:
    FSU offered him last week, but he just picked up offers from UNC and South Carolina today. The South is really coming at him hard. You are the biggest "name" program to have offered him. If his offer list stays similar to what it has now then you have a very real chance. FSU has taken some kids from Ohio these past few years, and this is giving you some buzz with the kids. He does have some nice offers from secondary programs that are closer than Florida- Kansas, Cincinnati, Boston College, Wisconsin, etc. I don’t know if distance would be a problem with him, but I would guess not. Get him down for a visit and you have something for sure.  Film here.
  • LB Ralph Williams, Gulliver Prep (same school as 2009 FSU WR recruit Rodney Smith).  No offer yet, I think it's just a verbal offer (showing significant interest but not a formal offer).
  • LB Aramide Olaniyan, Duke Commit.  Tennessee and Michigan are the other notable schools to offer.  GridironStuds.com says:  The kid knows how to get into the backfield.  Film Here.
  • DE Corey Crawford, from Carver HS (Jarmon Fortson's HS).  I happen to think we will land him.  
  • DB Khalid Marshall

Star-divide

REMOVED

  • WR Prospect James Louis, who has verballed to the Gators
  • DE BJ Butler, who committed to Georgia
  • DT Tavadis Glenn, who committed to Miami.  Major whispers about his character.  Miami is putting together a very impressive class of defensive tackles.
  • WR Solomon Patton, who did not list FSU in his top 5. 
  • LB LaDarius Owens, who didn't mention FSU in a recent interview.
  • QB Jake Heaps, who is a West Coast Mormon faith kid and was definitely not coming to FSU.
  • DE Craig Sanders, soon to be a Bama commit. 

Updated

  • DB Lamarcus Joyner had a fantastic visit in Tallahassee where he was able to meet legendary FSU cornerback, super bowl champion, and future defensive backs coach Terrell Buckley.  Here's my take on Lamarcus' situation.  I think that there is a top group of FSU, OSU, Tenn, and Bama, in some order of which I am not completely certain.  I'm also pretty sure that LaMarcus will choose to stay in a warmer weather state unless the colder weather state school is much better.  Lamarcus spoke with Bowden for 30 minutes, Fisher for an hour, and got to hang with TBuck for an hour.  I'm happy with the way FSU is handling this at this point. 
  • DE David Perry named UF as his leader.  FSU is still very much in this.  Miami has also offered.
  • From ThaRinger.com:  Saint Thomas Aquinas(FL) DB Keion Payne visited FSU this past week w/ best friend LaMarcus Joyner. Payne, who only has a verbal offer from FSU at this time, said Florida St. is his #1 school. If FSU gives him a written offer I expect him to commit on the spot and that would further cement Joyner to Florida State. Payne has joined Joyner at the UT spring game.  Panye has solid size for a DB, and he will get tested a lot this year at STA (being the new kid on the block).
  • Per Tharinger.com:  Olive Branch(MS) OL Shun Coleman has committed to Auburn. This will only help w/ the recruitment of Coleman's teammate Damien Robinson.
  • Another note on ThaRinger:  The site will be relaunched on May 10th, with forums.
  • Per Tharinger:  Tavares Barnes tried to commit to UF, but was rejected by Urban.  Apparently the Gators want to see him in person.  Hopefully they just messed up big time, but I expect UF to land him.  Color me shocked if he isn't a Gator.
  • J.R. Ferguson, a probable five star in the next Rivals update, is originally from Titusville, Florida, and he is friends with current Seminole commit Darious Cummings.  "Ego" Ferguson is supposed to be at Seminole Showtime.
  • Per Tharinger.com:  Ft. Lauderdale(FL) DB Cody Riggs has named Notre Dame as his leader. Also hearing that Riggs has cancelled his trip to Columbus. I would expect Riggs to announce for Notre Dame and to do it pretty soon.

 

A few ESPN Scouting Reports:

Jeff Luc:

Luc may be the most physically, superior linebacker in this class, hands down. Has prototypical size with his compact, thickly-built body and possesses very little body fat on his bulky 241-pound frame. Has longer, stronger arms to keep blockers off his body. Plays the game extremely tough, aggressive and physical. Consistently is around the football making plays even in pass coverage. His strength lies at the point of attack where he shows great short-area power and explosiveness. One of the better downhill fillers we have seen in recent years. Rarely turned out of the hole. Needs to polish up hand technique but scrapes well over trash when pursuing off-tackle and stays square eliminating cutback creases. Not real fast-twitched but quick enough to beat blockers to the hole and has adequate-to-good lateral agility and mobility sifting through the wash. Effective blitzer with his good timing and ability to generate great power and velocity quickly in the short-area. He may lack great speed on paper but has good football range for a stout inside run stopper and flashes equally impressive sideline-to-sideline chase speed. Can lumber a bit but closes hard, fast and with a nasty attitude. Textbook tackler who drives his hips through ball carriers with great force; rarely ever any second efforts by backs. Our main concern is his lack of great hip-fluidity and sharp change-of-direction skill; these weaker areas are often masked by his great intensity and direct pursuit angles to the ball. May have a bit of trouble slipping the faster cutoff block at the next level and mirroring quicker backs on inside zone schemes if employed strictly in the middle. Lacks great reactive athleticism and could get caught up in the fast moving traffic. That said, it's hard to find many physical flaws in Luc's game filling downhill and he will surprise you with his deceptive athleticism, particularly in space; could play the strong side in certain schemes. Upside may be limited but Luc is ready to make the college jump right now and should see early playing time.

 Marvin Jones is a pretty good comparison, I think.  The Big 3 will battle over this kid.

Richard Ash:

Ash moves around the defensive line in high school and at this point he is a bit of a 'tweener between the tackle and end spot. He could start off in college as a defensive end, but in the long run we think he projects as a defensive tackle or at least as a swing guy like he is now. He has good size and should be able to add more good bulk. He has a good get-off and is a kid capable of getting some quick penetration. He is a physical kid at the point of attack. He does a good job of using his hands to create some separation and he can hold his ground. He does though need to watch his pad level as he can get tall. That can lead to him being pushed off the ball or just make it tougher for him to control and shed from the blocker. He gets his hands on, but at times tries to out muscle the blocker and you would like to see him be more explosive from the hips and make things a little easier on himself. He has good straight-line speed. Displays solid recognition skills. He is a solid tackler. As a pass rusher he can work a move like the quick swim and get into the quarterbacks face. He can also bull rush some. Ash is a versatile defensive line prospect. We feel he will grow into a defensive tackle and his skills will be better used there, but he offers some versatility also.

 Ash is maybe the fastest rising prospect in the nation.  USC could get onboard soon with an offer.

 

De'Joshua Johnson:

Johnson is one of the most explosive, electrifying wide receiver prospects this class has to offer. Pahokee has produced some great skill players the last two years in CB Janoris Jenkins and WR Nu'Keese Richardson and Johnson may be the most explosive of the three. He is as quick as he is fast. Gets from 0-60 MPH in a hurry. He shows the ability to get off the line with burst and quickness and is a tough guy to press at the line. Shows exceptional separation on vertical routes. Consistently turns defensive backs around and shows the ability to explode into and out of his cuts. Has the rare ability to stop and start with no wasted motion and is a terror in space. He has excellent hands, shows the ability to snatch on the run and get upfield immediately. Shows good body control, can adjust to poorly thrown balls and has a second gear when tracking down vertical throws. Can create separation immediately in tight man-to-man matchups. Runs crisp routes, knows how to get open and is very fluid. Has rare change of direction, is a threat after the catch, and is elusive in the open-field. Can be an explosive returner in the kicking game. Johnson is extremely lean and muscular and built in similar fashion to former teammate Richardson and must bulk up considerably in the upper body, does not have great height, but isn't on the shorter side either. is built like a spaghetti noodle. Likely won't be much of a redzone threat on jump balls. Overall, Johnson can flat out run and he is a player all coaches covet because he causes problems in space. Outstanding prospect.

 'Nole on September 27th.

 

Brandon Willis:

Willis is a good defensive line prospect. He plays a little out of position in high school as mainly a defensive tackle. He does not have ideal type size for that position, but he is a big kid and actually is very productive as an interior player. He will project at the college level as a defensive end, but could be a guy used to slide to down inside in certain situations to get favorable match-ups. He has good natural size and a frame to keep adding bulk and that natural size allows him to offer some versatility as far as where plays. He has a good get-off, nothing that makes you go wow, but he gets moving fast enough. A big reason for his success is the fact that he is very active with his hands. He shoots them and can separate from blockers. He is consistently using them to get hands on blockers and keep himself protected. He is tough at the point of attack and when he keeps his pads down he can take on a blocker and hold his ground. His ability to punch and shed allows him to take on double teams and work down the line of scrimmage. He does a good job of getting into gaps and crossing the line and staying square. He does a real job being able to shed from blocks and has the ability to get his hips turned and get skinny and work past blockers. He is a good tackler, but can get a little tall. Displays good speed and a good motor. He displays good strength and can bull rush his way back and because he is active with his weapons and can get his hips flipped he can be a disruptive pass rusher. Willis is a smart, active, and physical player. He is not your fastest end whose game is built on running by and around blockers, but he has the tools to be a very good college defensive end against the run and pass.

 Another elite defensive line prospect that we have a great shot at.  Do work, Odell!

 

NEW OFFER:

CB Cliff Coleman, from Lauderdale Lakes .  He is in the 5'11 range, and he weighs roughly 170 pounds.  He goes to high school at Boyd Anderson, the same school as Demar Dorsey.

VIDEO:

What are your thoughts about this offer?  I think the film is decent, and he is probably a good candidate for a verbal offer.  I do not think he can commit at this present time.

 

And just because it bears watching again:

 

Ridiculous.  Joyner is supposed to be at the Seminole Showtime, a event in which Terrell Buckley and Deion Sanders (probable) will attend.  We can only hope this recruitment wraps up before the season starts.  It would greatly reduce the terrible loss of Willie Downs.  

 

Miscellaneous

  • Kenny Shaw says he will be in Tally this weekend.  Could there be a commitment here from the Orlando wideout?

Scheduling

  • FSU will host two High School camps.  First on the 10th, 11th and 12th and then 13th, 14th and 15th.
  • Seminole Showtime is July 18th!  (This is a big event)
  • Rumor that FSU will have a 7 on 7 camp on May 25th (that's a Saturday).

As always, check the 2010 Recruiting Big Board.

 

Question:  What do you think is the biggest need for the 2010 FSU recruiting class?  Take into account the recent loss of Willie Downs and C.J. Mizell and our lack of depth at defensive end and tackle.

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Downs and Mizell....this sucks!

As many defensive linemen as we can realisticaliy take and the samething at safety.

What’s up with Keion Payne? Will he get the written offer he’s hoping for?

by TRUSeminolez on Apr 22, 2009 6:27 AM EDT reply actions  

If he does well this season.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 22, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been out of the loop a bit but are Downs and Mizell sure to not qualify or is it just a strong possability?

by evenflow58 on Apr 22, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand how some kids

don’t take care of business knowing that they have a chance to play football for a living. If you have any talent whatsoever you generally have go through the NFL minor league system a/k/a college to get paid. As such, do what you have to do to make sure you get qualified. This is high school after all, not Harvard.

As for the SAT/ACT, take a freakin’ Kaplan course or something for Pete’s sake. You can definitely improve your score if you put some work into it. Heck, Tebow qualified somehow.

by FSUjab on Apr 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does seem

hard to understand that these kids cannot grasp how much they might be throwing away by not qualifying. However when you factor in that they are teenagers (who are prone to not seeing the big picture) with continuously declining state education budgets there are probably a lot less dollars to spend on mentors and guidance counselor types to follow behind these kids and make them pay attention to things like registration deadlines, test prep, etc. it could sort of explain (in part at least) why this situation exists. Does FSU get to play a role here once the LOI are signed? Can they have a mentor type that keeps tabs on these kids and can help them study etc.?

by Surfanole on Apr 22, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does FSU get to play a role here once the LOI are signed? Can they have a mentor type that keeps tabs on these kids and can help them study etc.?

Officially? Unsure. Unofficially? Yes.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 22, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW I didnt mean it as a generalization of all the recruits we go after

But rather the times we have went after borderline kids they almost never pan out. And the few that did either flunked right after or had other issues.

by ChileanNole on Apr 22, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much like we evaluate the offense under Jeff and then Fisher,

we must also do so for Fisher.

I think he’s done well with this issue. Remember, the key is to not have surprises. We HAVE to take risks on these kids.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A lot of it can usually be chalked up to parents. Too often parents want to be their kid’s best friend or not be involved in their kid’s life. It’s a parent’s responsability to hold their kids accountable and too often that gets overlooked.

by evenflow58 on Apr 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about those guys that have parents that don't care...

or are from single parent homes? They need some direction from other places.

by FSUjab on Apr 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my point. The kids are left in the dust because parents can’t, or won’t, do their job. It’s a lot tougher for a kid to get direction from another person because he, or she, has to want that direction. However, the lack of parental guidence often creates an attitude where the kid feels he doesn’t need or want help. Again, it still comes back to the parents.

by evenflow58 on Apr 23, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is going to be a hard hit for us isnt it.

could they get to a teck or Jr school then transfure with better grades. Then again if they cant get it now whats to make them get it latter. Its sad to see someone throw something like this away but worst when these kids dont see it themselfs. I was like that once.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest neeed

I would say it is DT. If you have a big time defensive line you can hide weakness in the secondary by getting pressure on the QB and you can make teams one sided by stopping the run. But if you have a weak D-line but good secondary you can get run all over and the other team can still pass all over you since no secondary can cover forever if the line gets no pressure.

I can understand why UF would tell the kid not to commit yet since they are getting so many commitments they are going to have to be careful about who they accept from here on out. It almost looks like Meyer is trying to give Brown a run for his money when it comes to getting early commits. Difference is there are programs like FSU, Miami, UGA, Tennessee, and Alabama trying to steal these kids all year instead of Baylor, Texas A&M, etc.

by osceolafan850 on Apr 22, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

agree here

We need to bring in some solid D line guys and I also agree with the logic on the UF thing. Not sure how official it is but I just took a look at their list of verbals so far for 2010 and looks they have a lot of guys on board already. I guess that is what happens when you win 2 out of 3 NC and are odds on favorite to repeat.

by Surfanole on Apr 22, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest need is DL.

We could have the #1 player in the nation coming in the secondary. If we don’t land 7 DL, this will be a failure in my class.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 22, 2009 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree that the DL is most important

We also will need help at linebacker. I’m really worried about our rover position right now. Really, really worried.

by DKfromVA on Apr 22, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not so sure.

I think we need a little of everything. I dont think we need 7DT but 2 or 3 big ones. some for LB I would like to see us go and get 2 good size ones to play in the Mid. Last I want us to go after some CB. CB CB and more CB. I only want 3 but thats a lot for CB. I think we need real CB too not Ath, S, or FS that can play CB, I WANT CB. OK got that out the system.

I realy think our D-line is going to be ok. with Pass rush but we need to stop the run not pass rush. There is a Dif and I dont think MA knows that. I think thats why teams smoked us like BC. We had a killer pass rush but could stop the Run. Same w/ GT. I think if size matters then get some beef that will stop the run on run downs and we can use the guys we got this year to pass rush.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 22, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did we mess up with Barnes?

A month ago we lead and now he wanted to commit to UF?

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 22, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I would think

That as of right now it is hard to go head to head with UF for us if they appear to want a kid just as bad as we do. ESPN is in love with the Gators right now, they have 2 of the last 3 NCs and people are expecting them to win another one. Compare that to us with our aging coaching staff and the fact that we haven’t even won the ACC in years. What exactly can we pitch? We can’t pitch playing for Bowden because his age. Can’t pitch sending kids to the pros b/c the NFL doesn’t look at us how they used to. Can’t pitch regime change b/c the old coaches leaving after this year isn’t an explicit fact. On top of that Meyer’s staff as a whole are better recruiters than our staff as a whole.

by osceolafan850 on Apr 22, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have The Law of Averages on our side

As meteoric a rise the Gates have had, their fall will be equally precipitous.

Not sure how you would use that idea to sell a recruit though…

by FSUjab on Apr 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

With news of Barnes to UF and Jacobi Mcdaniel being drafted by MLB and not coming to FSU...

We need to land Corey Miller, Brandon Willis, Amp McCloud, Delroy Steele, and Richard Ash. THANK YOU Darius Cummings for committing already! I’d would like to see us recruit David Perry even harder…

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 22, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

If MLB steals McDaniel then DL becomes even more of a priority (it already is but would be even more so). Is there any idea of how big a chance there is that he does play baseball instead of coming to FSU? I know it has to be hard for a teenager to turn down millions in this situation.

by Surfanole on Apr 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

what would it take for him to leave??

From everything we have heard he loves FSU and playing football. How high of a pick would he have to be to seriously considering leaving?

by ChileanNole on Apr 22, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

I also don’t know what his upside is. How much can he be expected to grow, etc.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 22, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Warchant made that up?

That shows how afraid they are of NoleInsider and how desperate they are getting. Making up a story about one of FSU’s top prospects being drafted by the MLB?

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

next story

will be about Greg Reid dropping football to pursue a future in track

by CSI Nole on Apr 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Justin Bright

skipping school to model for Calvin Klein. Of course, that story might garner an entirely different reaction.

by FSUjab on Apr 23, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

UF wanted Greg Reid...

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

the Reid thing seemed like a playing time/depth chart thing. Plus didn’t we bring in one of his teammates as well? Demps

by Surfanole on Apr 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started

SOME people seem to think that guys that Reid doesn’t even know had more of an influence on him than his own hs teammate & buddy. :)

by FSUjab on Apr 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Williams has the frame and the footwork to develop into an excellent center.

He is very aggressive as you can see from the videos and doesn’t give up on the play. Clearly, this is a short clip at a combine, so he is going to do everything he can to demonstrate his effort and intensity. But, despite getting beat on a couple of those plays, he recovered and didn’t give up. I like the use of his hand and he clearly has a ton of upper body strength already. He has a good wing span and I like the fact that he stays low out of his stance. My concern though is that he likes to reach before moving his feet.

I tried to upload a photo from his clip but I can’t figure out how to do that. But his first move out of the snap was to reach with his hands to the defender without moving his feet. If you look carefuly at the clip, he is in a very extended position with a wide stance. A good DT or DE, would grab the back of his jersey, side step him and push/pull him down as they go around him. However, his hand are so good, he locked up with the man and despite being off balance, he stayed in front of his man and recovered. While he did have quick feet, which I really like in an OLine, he use a lot of huge steps to recover, which will put him off balance.

That said, I think he could develop into an excellent offensive lineman for us. Seems like a good kid who enjoys playing and certainly has the frame to get bigger. His hand and his feet will help him significantly at the next level. Nice find.

by TrueCubbie on Apr 22, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Interior v. Exterior

I should have mentioned that I was able to watch his other film, but that’s not available on youtube. How much, if at all, do you think his position (center) mitigates his hands first approach? Certainly this isnt acceptable for a tackle, but at center is it still a big negative?

by Bud Elliott on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree in that there are significant differences in pass blocking on the inside versus the tackle position.

Maybe some of those inherent differences were exposed in a one-on-one situation without any traffic around him. But just because you’re on the inside doesn’t mean you can reach before you move your feet. You might be able to get away with it more than say a tackle would. But with complex pass protection schemes and the speed of Div1 tackles, watch out. You have to be able to move your feet and get in good position. Don’t get me wrong, I still like this kid. But his technique needs to improve, but he has a good skill set on which to develop into a top caliber lineman.

by TrueCubbie on Apr 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

LJ is sick.

We need some good news out of Seminole Showtime – we haven’t had any commits in a while.

by FSUjab on Apr 22, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

heck

we need some good news coming out of FSU

by CSI Nole on Apr 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great update

My thoughts on biggest need is the DL.

We need help big time there. We are still hurting from a couple of terrible recruiting classes at the DL position (marvin austin ring a bell?).

LB is also a need especially with the Mizzell news. I still think we should have taken 2 last year considering how Mizzell had issues.

by ChileanNole on Apr 22, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate how we're living in some dark ages

We can’t even compete with UF. It’s a really bad cycle that began 4 years ago. Now Urban has created a huge lead in the race, and I’m not convinced that Jimbo is going to be a better coach than Urban (obviously better than Bobby). PLEASE RETIRE BOBBY!

by DA-2 on Apr 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd think Jimbo will give any coach a run for his money...

He a very good recruiter, and good motivator, and great football mind. It’s hard to judge him now…

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 22, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...

i don’t want any coach being able to brag that he never lost to FSU. He needs to stay right there for a while…

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 22, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't see him go to the pros

Meyer in the NFL would be like Osborne going to the NFL in the 90s. Can’t see a team giving him a shot when his system on offensive is so clearly an amateur system. NFL QBs can’t stay healthy just dropping back to pass, who would let one of them run as much as the Spread Option demands? Even Dan Snyder wouldn’t be that dumb.

What I think is more likely is either Meyer to ND after they make him the highest paid coach in college history, or someone finally giving Strong a head coaching job. I am amazed nobody has even had Charlie out for an interview yet but other ADs have to get their heads out of their butts sooner or later.

by osceolafan850 on Apr 23, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be his record vs. Bowden, who deserves to have Urban's record held against him.

Let him brag. And I have full confidence in Fisher. We have very little to judge him by as far as his abilities as a head coach. It’s easy to forget this. The potential we’ve seen in his still very limited role at FSU (he has three coaches, gang) shows in flashes of brilliance – I’m talking the class of ‘09, assembling a huge bevy of talent in the shadow of an old, tired figurehead, his posse of stooges, and the school’s NCAA scandal that the man won’t let die. I’m not a sunshine-and-roses kind of guy. We’ll be just fine with Fisher.

by TRMNole on Apr 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing Urban has

is a better supporting cast… I’m hoping that will change after this upcoming season as discussed previously

by CSI Nole on Apr 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Urban will be there much longer.

Resident Josh Freeman fan.

by gahnki on Apr 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odds on UF & FSU both having new head coaches after next season?

Zero. I do think one of them will go but not sure which one. Furthermore I am not sure who I would want to leave. BB is killing us to I suppose him but until Urban leaves we are going to have a heck of a time beating the Gators irregardless of who our Head Coach is.

by CFCNole on Apr 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch Notre Dame’s season this year and it will tell you what you need to know.

Resident Josh Freeman fan.

by gahnki on Apr 22, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If (when) ND tanks, Gruden will have a shot there as well.

Urban turned ND down when he choose UF so what has changed? Not being a wise guy, just asking why he would go to ND after declining their prior offer.

by CFCNole on Apr 22, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tebow is gone and it will be a rebuilding year. ND talked with him this offseason when they thought about firing Weis, and he was very receptive to the contact. Family is older, his “guy” is gone, and he can leave UF on top. There is a lot to like in this situation for him.

Resident Josh Freeman fan.

by gahnki on Apr 23, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question is

if ND comes calling, would Urban take the offer? Part of me thinks he may stay at UF (he’s got a good thing going on there) and doesn’t have to go far to recruit. If he landed at ND, those same recruits would follow him there, so its a win win situation.

by CSI Nole on Apr 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he were smart he’d stay at UF. ND offers nothing over any other half-way decent university. Most kids don’t remember when they were dominant and other schools are on TV just as much as ND is. Plus people have watched them get destroyed year after year so it isn’t like they are a winning program anymore. Oh, and then there’s the issue of location. ND just can’t hold a candle to any southern or coast school when it comes to weather.

by evenflow58 on Apr 24, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

LM Joyner

Someone on a message board asked me what I thought of him, and I basically told them what I saw in that video. I think he’s great, contender for best player in Florida, but this dude went off on me, saying a 5’8 CB will get pushed around by any taller receivers.

now, I think Joyner is quick enough to dominate WRs, but what does everyone think about his strength? Will strong recievers just pound him until they get open enough for jump balls?

by NorthernHaze on Apr 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think height is so very overrated at the corner position.

Joyner can jump out of the gym and will have great position.

Many many more important attributes than height.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 22, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

great to hear it

Is he also a good candidate for returning kicks? It seems we have a lot of players lined up who could return effectively in the next few years.

by NorthernHaze on Apr 22, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

CBs are almost always shorter than the WRs they line up against

This is nothing new. The tallest DB I recall ever being on our roster was Cromartie and he was 6’1". Everyone else in recent memory has been well below 6’0".

Also, he doesn’t look like a scrawny guy either. He was bringin’ the wood in that video. I’m not concerned about his size – I’m concerned about making sure we get this kid.

by FSUjab on Apr 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joyner has ridiculously long arms for his size.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious, but how is Joyner at shedding WR blockers when running to his side of the field?

and for that matter how is he in a one on one situation with a bigger RB who has a bit of momentum?

For the 1st Q (subject line), I’m really just asking at how he is at either: a) being the force (sending them back inside)? b) pushing the blocker into a bad area for the WR (getting in his RBs lane or into other blocker(s) way)?; and c) shedding the WR, FB or even OL and making the tackle himself?

These are probably easier to answer if you’ve seen him play, as those kind of things aren’t easy to disern form a highlight tape.

by RishiM on Apr 22, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joyner plays safety in high school.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 22, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our biggest priorities this recruiting season:

1. LJ
2. Luc
3. DL
4. WR

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Apr 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Great read.

I’ve been gone for a while. Been working out of state, glad to come back and read one of these recruiting threads. I’m hoping we reel in Lamarcus.

by fsunole23 on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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