Florida State should dismiss troubled receiver Cameron Wade
by Bud Elliott on Apr 30, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
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With a bench warrant issued for failing to appear in court, Cameron Wade has again put FSU in the spotlight. Now the Seminoles should return the favor and cut him. It has to happen and it makes sense. Florida State needs to send a message not only to their players, but also to the public. Cutting Cameron Wade is the smart move because Wade is a garbage football player. Wade was a three-star prospect out of Cairo, Georgia, a member of Jeff Bowden's final recruiting class. To say he was a lightly recruited throw in is an understatement. Wade is slow, uncoordinated, and lazy. His only redeeming quality as a player is his height (6'5"). Now he's putting FSU in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. With only three career catches, wade doesn't figure to contribute much in the coming seasons as FSU is pulling in talented kids who figure to be ahead of wade on the depth chart.
A source of ours says Wade was was taking an economics final during his missed court date. That doesn't matter. The facts are that through his laziness, he embarrassed the Seminoles for the second time in less than a year over something that he could have easily avoided. Wade's absence shows a lack of accountability that FSU shouldn't tolerate. He should have made prior arrangements to avoid this embarrassment. What other areas could Wade be slacking off in? Route running? Schoolwork? Film study? We know (the photos are out there if you look) that he has not been missing opportunities to drink and club it up with former (dismissed) FSU running back Brandon Paul.
College students don't have many responsibilities. A college student shouldn't be missing a court date. It should be important. Apparently, it wasn't. Wade should have been focused on getting in the court's good graces and instead chose to bury his head in the sand.
Further, his facebook status last night was troubling to say the least:
"Cam Gothellaswag Wade is ha ha ha ha wowwwwwwww the news is crazy….now im on the run ha ha ha im a criminall!!!! Wtf? Man im in strozier chillin studying for this 6th and final exam!"
[He did delete that status message this morning after someone directed him to remove it.] Wade's status shows that he doesn't care. It's all a joke to him. I think he will continue to embarrass our program without offering anything positive in return-- on the field or off. There are other troubling aspects of Wade's behavior that aren't pertinent to this discussion, but you get the point.
Remember that Wade stands accused of throwing the first punch in the 2008 student union brawl. FSU should have dismissed him back then.
I can live with really talented guys making mistakes. Fans of "amateur" athletics don't want to hear that, but double standards exist for a reason. We see them in every walk of life, including the next level of football. In the NFL, great players get away with a lot more misbehavior than practice squad players. I'm okay with our superstars running wild and a great program must be willing to look the other way when an elite player messes up, but to allow the scrubs of the team to conduct themselves in a manner showing that they are appreciative to have a scholarship and be part of the team is foolish and unwarranted. Wade does not deserve the same leeway afforded to a superstar.
Take Florida as an example. Did Urban Meyer kick Percy Harvin off the team for failing drug tests or assaulting teammates? Of course not. He did boot backup safety Jacques Rickerson after a domestic violence incident. Why? Harvin's positives outweighed his negatives and Rickerson's did not.
The double standard exists to maintain elite talent and to inspire others to reach that level. Wade seems to be on his third chance, and that's unnacceptable for a guy who likely wouldn't have been recruited by the new coaching regime. He has embarrassed FSU time and again. Recruiting him was a mistake, but allowing him to stay on the team and stealing a scholarship would be an even bigger mistake. FSU can offer his scholarship to a more talented and better behaved player. Dismissing Wade tells the Media that FSU is committed to dealing with the problem, and more importantly, it tells the players that they better be damn good if they want to act like a thug.
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I agree
He’s done enough to warrant a removal.
If teams try to throw this back in our faces on the recruiting path we can just tell recruits how this is opening up more spots for guys that will behave and put their best effort out. Unless a recruit is planning on getting into lots of trouble this shouldn’t stop anyone from becomming a Nole.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
I have no additional analysis to add at this point except to say...
Is Cameron’s head shaped funny to anybody else? He has that Casaan Breeden jelly bean head thing going.
Poor Casaan never could figure out a head band.
I think it's the angle.
Hard to capture bling, ipod, wifebeater shirt, and doo-rag in the same shot.
I call them urban death caps
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
I'm confused. Is Cameron supposed to look hardcore in this photo?
Because I’m getting a black version of Vanilla Ice, Snow, and John Cena all rolled up into one. I mean, I know you’re a thug, Cam, but you look like someone pretending to be a thug. It’s like you’re a criminall!!!! or something. We get it. What frustrates me is that if you spent this much effort embracing your status as a scholarship wide receiver at Florida State, you might not look like a fool and a poser on your own fans’ website right now.
I’m hoping you grow up and learn something from this. On your own time. And i hope your young position coach learns something too. I’m far beyond hoping for anything else at this point.
I think it's "got hella swag"
Meaning Mr. Wade possesses a middle name conjunction implying that he possesses much swag.
Swag?
you mean swagger or Swag (as in Stuff We All Get). Just wondering because I just got back from a conference and have been bragging to my wife about all the free pens, coozies, keychain/light combos, frisbees, etc. that I picked up.
I think swag is a kind of weed. and weed is a king of marijuanna.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
If he's got hella swag
maybe he was supplying Parker. Reason #127 for dismissal.
How rumors get started
Swag is a slang term meaning charm or charisma. A person that has a lot of “swag” usually finds it easy to interact with the opposite sex as far as dating or on a romantic level. They might be the guy that always has the smooth line to say or the girl that all the guys fall over or always appears flawless.
That’s how rumors get started, and quite obviously you guys have taken it and run with it – making false criminal accusations without knowing what you’re truly referring to.
This is what we meant.
I personally would need access to A LOT of drugs to be that guy.
Oh, and very little in this thread was meant to be taken seriously.
I pitty tha fool who messes with the T-team
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
In other words, I think its a marketing strategy
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
I don't think that's accurate...
….but it made me laugh. Facebook is a great way to network your business and do viral advertising.
Not the first thing that popped into my head
I read it as I’ve got some good weed. Might help explain why his FB update was so hard to understand lol
Way to represent my hometown, Cameron...
Time to take that drive up highway 93 and find out if the DQ is hiring. They always specialized in slow service, so you should have that going for you.
Since it's in Georgia
it’s Kay-roe. Similarly, Pierre, SD is prounounced “pier” by the locals.
That high school has produced a lot of good talented kids...
Too bad our example is CW…
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
Like Willie C. Harris (Washington Nationals)
Willie was in my class and generally a good kid growing up. Three sport star, smart, popular, all around good kid. He had a scholarship offer to play football at FSU and then got caught lifting a watch a local store and subsequently was found with a bit of weed on him. The offer was rescinded and he ended up playing baseball at Kennesaw St. and eventually got drafted (White Sox, I believe). Anyway, kids do dumb things but have to learn there are consequences for their actions. Not only as it relates to their life, but the folks they represent.
(It’s funny to think how quick Bowden was to pull the offer to Harris back in ’96, but has been reluctant to do so in other cases)
I went to a Nationals spring training game last year where Willie started.
I sat in the first row above the Nats dugout and after every inning I screamed, “I’M REPPIN’ CAYYY-ROOO!” to Willie as he entered the dugout. After about 5 innings he threw me a baseball. It was great because 8 little crumbsnatchers would gather in front of me and my buddy and try to get a ball after every half inning. I made a leaping grab over those little bastards’ heads. It felt really good to grab the ball and not give it up to the youngsters, especially that contemptous little punk with the blue M &M backpack.
Damn, youd think Wade killed someone. Kid made a mistake, like we all do.
Defense is not the problem.
We're tired of it, badknees81.
Look, we were never saints in the ’80’s and ’90’s, but we darn sure pulled it off until the sports agents got us. We’re mad because the culture and discipline at FSU has dropped to the point that Cameron Wade thinks he can miss a court date. Cameron Wade?!? (The bolding is back with a vengeance.) To this point, Uncensored flat out told it like it is. Here we are at the bottom of the barrel, scraping for any good news we can get, with surely nothing left that can sicken us anymore about our program, and CAMERON WADE!!! misses a court date. And I can’t wait for the obligatory “there was a misunderstanding” statement. “There was an arrangement because of his exam,” etc. Bring the Advil.
I feel for any young fan (not saying that’s you) who thinks the goings-on at FSU since 2001 are anything resembling a normal college football program. This isn’t normal. Nothing about Florida State is normal. When Florida State is normal again, you won’t recognize it. When we’re normal, young fans will think, THIS is what college football’s supposed to be like? When FSU becomes normal again – wait a minute, what am I doing? Oh my goodness…. Yes, I’m officially hoping for Florida State to simply be a NORMAL program again. NORMALCY is my new standard for FSU. Forget excellence. Forget being GOOD. I just want normal.
It’s moments like these that I take a deep breath and simply say, ha ha ha ha Wtf? Because seriously… the news is crazy…. ~TRM Gothellaswag Nole
That's a new Tomahawk Nation phrase.
If you like a like a post, you have to hellaswag it. Or say it “gothellaswag.”
For example, TRM, that was a hellaswag post. FSUncensored gothellaswag for this article.
You don’t recommened it, you gothellaswag it.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
I'm hellaswaging your idea
It’s def gothellaswag
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Apr 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a German word I missed back in college... hated German.
Ich bin gothellaswaghund….?
This is what Cameron does when he wakes up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1cO-yoDiVk&feature=related
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
Garbage song, you've been warned.
Mainstream hip hop is garbage.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
Oh, about, 2003, when the South took over.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
Whoever cut this off in mid sentence needs to work on their editing skillz
But still, this is a pretty good clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBhunetKLjg
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Apr 30, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
After your fellow wide receiver is found passed out in a drive-thru....
and subsequently dismissed from the team after the 6th? strike, and another fellow receiver is caught DUI after the spring game, you better be sure not to “make a mistake” and miss the court date to discuss how you and four other fellow receivers got into a WWE event at the student union.
Guess what? Even if you’re an angel on this team, your fellow teammates have screwed up so much, that there is no room for “making a mistake.”
He didn't, but he's dumb if he thinks he is valuable to this team.
If you are not talented and screw up pack your bags.
Wonder what ScalpEm's reaction to this will be?
Before anyone jumps all over me, I like that blog a lot. They do a great job of covering underexposed FSU sports.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
off field issues
per tharinger… 2010 Pahokee CB Merrill Noel now favors 3 schools (WF, WVU and UGA). With the constant off field issues taking place at FSU, it’s turned him away and he’s looking elsewhere. GREAT!!! This just pissed me off!!! Some of the dead weight presently on our staff is partially at fault for being lazy/lenient with these kids. I’m tired, bring on the new replacements that would instill DISCIPLINE in these young men.
FSU is losing it’s hellaswag!!!
Some don't think we're recruiting him very hard.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
If that's the case
I just don’t care to hear our off field issues from a recruits mouth. I’m just tired of all the problems within the football program. We were looking real good in landing the Pahokee kids but that appears to be changing. Watch him go to WF and become the next Alphonso Smith. :o/
West Virginia has NEEEEEEEEEEVER had off the field issues.
In a related note, Adam Jones just shot another dude at a scrip (sic) club.
I wonder if Pacman will ever be in the Scrips National Spelling Bee?
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
Lost in all the discussion of hip hop, we're missing a key issue here....
Is Cameron Wade a Somali pirate?
While it's the second deadliest catch, (Bering Sea Crabs #1 of course),
Indian Ocean piracy does pay better than the Cairo DQ.
At his height though, he’d be an easy target for snipers… hmmm…
I want Wade to gethella-outahere so his scholly can be given to Givens, if he hasn't already been given one.
Also Bert Reed better keep his ass clean because he is working on at least his 4th strike, one more and he should be gone too. Hopefully seeing Parker and Wade dismissed will be his last wake up call
What I find fascinating is that there was not one word written, at least that I could find, about the Gators Marquis Hannah getting arrested last weekend for felony battery of a occupied dwelling and battery. Let’s face it we have become the media’s new whipping boys.
Also Bert Reed better keep his ass clean because he is working on at least his 4th strike, one more and he should be gone too. Hopefully seeing Parker and Wade dismissed will be his last wake up call
What were Reed’s strikes (I ask to prove a point)?
What I find fascinating is that there was not one word written, at least that I could find, about the Gators Marquis Hannah getting arrested last weekend for felony battery of a occupied dwelling and battery. Let’s face it we have become the media’s new whipping boys.
He’s not a scholarship player, I’m told. It was in the Herald.
1) The fight and subsequent arrest, 2) suspended for VT game for undisclosed reasons (skipping class), 3) suspended for Clemson for not meeting responsibilities (WTF does that mean)
RE: Gators Hannah, I know he was a walk on, but he was still a member of the team and I wanted to read about it in the headlines, I wanted to hear about it on ESPN, and I wanted Brian Williams to do a 1/2 hour special detailing all the arrest happening there.
Am I bitter? Yes.
Am I tired of being in the national news for everything that happens to our team? Yes
Am I jealous of their recent on-field success? lil’bit.
Do I get a warm fuzzy feeling like I just shot a load when I read about another arrest in Hogsville? Stand back so I don’t get any on you.
Am I am miserable, and therefore I want company? YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I DO.
My point is, that Reed is really on strike #1.
FSU already admitted that they suspended him in error for VT. Their permissible skips and corresponding punishments were ill calculated.
Reed is a good kid who got into some trouble, and he’s a talent. He’s not thuglife.
for reference,
I’ll say that most of my friends and myself missed more classes than Reed did. Their restrictions were overly burdensome.
For some, it’s a “act like a decent human”, for Reed, it’s “be more mature.”
Your points can be just as well taken without perversion btw.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
agreed
I appreciate this site for its intelligent conversation, not 6th grade humor. I understand that is status quo for most sports message boards though, so don’t take it personally.
by TBfisherman on Apr 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing personal of course.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Oh and BTW, I quit reading the Herald because it is nothing but the South Florida version of the Slantinel.
In all honesty I do sometimes click on and read the Dolphins tab, and the FSU tab, but that is all I can take, especially living in Broward and having to hear all the scUM coverage.
UF player
Does it really matter that he was not a scholarship player?
If we had a walk on get arrested tomorrow for anything (jaywalking even) it would be on the front page of ESPN in no time with 4 to 5 articles from Heather Dinich trashing us. UF seems to be untouchable in the media for some reason, there still (as far as I can tell) is no mention on ESPN of their guy’s arrest yesterday for a crime that appears to be much much worse than what Wade did. Ever since ESPN and the SEC signed a contract together it seems like the SEC (especially flavor of the year UF) gets a pass on a lot of this stuff.
I used to like to read ESPN for updates on sports, scores, etc. but now its like watching Fox News and expecting unbiased political commentary. The fact that the ACC blogger or reporter or whatever the hell they actually consider her seems to hate FSU with a passion isn’t helping either.
It's not ESPN's fault.
It’s FSU’s fault. We’re a joke right now. We can stop providing Heather Dinich her material whenever we want. Seriously, who at FSU is combating our negative image with the media right now? Those are crickets you hear chirping. It’s… Florida State’s… fault.
We are a disaster. A nightmare. We are picked on because we are SUCH an easy target. The administration doesn’t fight back. It doesn’t care! Is no one listening when we tell them that the FSU administration (how many times can we say it?) has ONE objective: to keep Bobby Bowden on his throne until his heart stops beating. No matter the cost to the school, its repuation, or whatever any of us think about any of it. And yes, this applies to more than just wins and losses, as apparently a lot of folks are just now learning. It applies to EVERYTHING other than Bobby Bowden being king of FSU football until he’s dead, buried, and it’s reasonably certain that he can’t pull himself back up out of the grave to coach for another decade or two.
Haha
Good points, FSU really has put themselves in this position. However, I still hate UF and I still think Heather Dinich is a talentless hack. Aside from that I agree that all we have done is throw fuel on a raging fire with no visible attempts to put it out.
It is ESPN's fault
and every other garbage media outlet. For that matter, it’s our fault for reading ESPN and giving them any credibility. Does FSU have problems? I don’t think that’s even debateable. But what about the GOOD NEWS!?! I know it’s few and far between these days but how about these guys: Everette Brown, Myron Rolle, Christian Ponder, Corey Surrency. There are stories there about guys who have done amazing things: EB – community service; Rolle – Rhodes Scholar & future Dr.; Ponder – academic all-american; Surrency – turned his life around.
The fact of the matter is that sports news has turned into a secondary gossip outlet. TMZ and ESPN may as well ink a deal and be done with it. Nobody reports good news because idiots like you and me only want to talk about the bad news and complain about it. Furthermore, sports journalists are lazy and purveyors of shock. It’s much easier to pick up on a story about an arrest, mess-up, etc. because these things are reported by other media outlets and are generally made public record. It’s much harder to dig and go after the unpublicized actions of a guy who has unselfishly donated his time without recognition (EB) or the current status of one of the few D-1 football players to become a Rhodes Scholar.
How about reporting on this HD:
“one of Florida State’s leaders when it comes to community service…donates his time freely…has volunteered at Riley Elementary and Speight Middle School, with booster groups, The Able Trust, MDA Summer Camp, Tallahassee Seminole Club, Dick Howser Center for Childhood Services, Life Skills Center and Read Across America among many others.” – Seminoles.com on Everette Brown.
That last bit was a very boring read.
But you’re right of course. I just get sick and tired of folks, prominent at another site, who think that ESPN is out to get us in particular. ESPN went out of their way to showcase Myron Rolle’s amazing achievement during the Made-for-TV Myron Rolle Spectacular, I mean, the FSU-Maryland game. These fans p*** and moan only when the coverage is unfavorable. I cringe at the thought of what ESPN’s coverage would be like if they actually did have some kind of vendetta against Florida State. Because there’s very little good going on at this program. You can bet Bowden’s not complaining. Because he’s held accountable by the media for nothing. Coach Bowden doesn’t even know who Cameron Wade is. “Who’s that? #14? Oh yeah, good football playa. Not the fastest we’ve had, but that boy can git around. Threw real good a couple years ago, but he got beat out by numba 7 and we neva saw him again.” Good enough analysis until you realize he’s talking about Christian Ponder before he changed his jersey number. The Bowdenites sure don’t seem to care about his treatment by the media.
And so once again it’s us serious Nole fans given the shaft. ESPN, please cover our football program. Please come in and look outside the lines, inside the lines, between them, however many different angles it takes for you to really expose this mess. That way instead of it being the rest of the nation’s inside joke when these headlines run, everyone regardless of the tint of their glasses and the flavor of their kool-aid can see what the joke is. They’re laughing at a former major powerhouse football program being run into the ground by an old man who couldn’t care less what’s going on. That’s funny and entertaining to A LOT of people.
I apologize for not entertaining you or placating your ADD
But if you want to talk about boring reads, we have to throw your posts in there too. Especially since the majority of your posts reference your obvious contempt for Coach Bowden. Talk about p*ssing and moaning…
Sorry.
I’m a little sensitive today. Got into it with a ref with Napoleon syndrome in my bball league last night (got hit with a tech and played in foul trouble for the rest of the game). On top of that, the white-trash, parolee guarding me was acting like he forgot to take his meds. Normally, I wouldn’t back down from punks like that, but the foul trouble (we only had 5 guys) combined with the very real possibility that Eminem’s cousin wouldn’t think twice about sticking a shank in my back after the game, led me to play like a p#ssy.
Thus endeth my rant…
This is way past the statute of limitations...
…but I meant to state that I currently have NO PROBLEM with Avis Commack (or whoever wears 14) since I used their jersey number for my little Bowden senile joke (and since I’ve p***ed on pretty much everyone else at some point in this thread). And of course now that I’ve clarified this, the young man is sure to break into Jared Jones’ apartment tonight and eat all his hot dogs. (Some things you never live down.)
Yes, because of the "here today, gone tomorrow" nature of walk-ons
UF seems to be untouchable in the media for some reason, there still (as far as I can tell) is no mention on ESPN of their guy’s arrest yesterday for a crime that appears to be much much worse than what Wade did.
Because UF is the top program in America, with a huge fanbase, etc.
But yes, there is a huge difference between a walk-on and a scholarship player.
But to be honest....
you know ESPN would take any dirty laundry from Tallahassee and ride it screaming into the surface of the sun.
True
I do realize there is a huge difference between a scholarship player and a walk on player, I guess I just meant it in the sense that for us, I wouldn’t matter and for other teams it would. I see this as being that double standard you mentioned above and clearly it works on all levels, program and player. I guess the sad part is that FSU has seemed awfully complacent occupying the wrong side of the double standard.
I disagree.
I think there is a huge difference between a contributor and a scrub, not necessarily b/t a walk-on v. scholarship player.
The fact of the matter is that both Wade and UF’s guy are scrubs. Neither are contributors. On the other hand, if Louis Givens, a contributor but non-scholarship player, were to find trouble that could be newsworthy. In the public eye, Wade = Hannah. That is, neither have made much of a public difference for their respective teams (other than get in trouble).
From a contribution standpoint I agree with the similarity,
but from an identity standpoint I do not. For instance, scholarship players are always identified on the roster, walk-ons are not. If a walk-on misses practice, it’s not a big deal. If a scholarship player misses, it is a big deal. Coaches have much more control over their scholarship players because of leverage.
Walk-ons are probably closer to being “associated with” the team than being a “member of” the team.
DA-2 reported that Givens is on scholarship now.
Good news about Givens.
I wonder if HD has or will report the news…
Sure, scholarship players have more to lose, and maybe from a roster standpoint it matters, but it still doesn’t explain the fact that a back-up, no-name WR gets front page headlines on ESPN. Clearly, FSU is the vogue whipping boy.
BTW, people miss court dates all the time. Not a good idea, but it’s not the end of the world either. Breaking in to someone’s apartment and punching somebody in the face seems more newsworthy. But, then again, I’m not a sports journalist.
I clearly sensationalized this because I believe we should cut Wade for his scholarship.
Jimbo did not want to take him and Bobby would not let him reject his commitment when he came in 2007, allegedly.
I understand that and completely agree with your post.
The missed court date v. punching someone statement was more relative to ESPN’s coverage (and/or lack thereof), not yours. On an FSU website, this nonsense should be front page news.
"Clearly, FSU is the vogue whipping boy."
We’re conceding this. This is a large portion of the BASIS of our argument. Only FSU can stop this.
I'll do HD's work for her
Sit back and sip on lemonade today, Heather. Copy and paste the K-Man’s journalism:
“Florida State rewarded unheralded walk-on Louis Givens with a full scholarship this week. Louis will look to add depth at the slot WR position vacated by Preston “This looks like a good place to” Parker. The 5’9" speedster will back up Bert “School on Sunday” Reed and Taiwan “Who’s Got My Back?” Easterling who’s recovering from offseason Achilles surgery.
Givens’ proved electric with the ball in his hands last year during his few opportunities, but his biggest 2008 contributions came on special teams. He made several crucial tackles on kick returns in FSU’s 41-39 victory on the road vs. in-state rival Miami. Speaking of big special teams plays on the road against Miami, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention Tamarick Vanover’s opening kickoff TD return against the Canes in ’92. Too bad he sold Bam Morris down the river like that."
And pour us men some of that lemonade while you're at it.
* smacks her on the backside * Hey, you ARE good for something!
*regarding the hiphop talk on here, not your article FSUncensored.
by thirdcoastnole on Apr 30, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, not pretty.
There are worse.
We should have a quiz:
What player is posing with a bunch of guns? Who has a huge stack of weed green substance in a bag? What player hits his handler with his penis when she picks him up from a party to make sure he doesn’t drive home drunk?
Kidding, of course.
What? Does he thump her in the forehead with it?
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Sadly, I was sitting with my mouth agape reading your post.
I won’t reveal my sincere guesses to your quiz.
Laterian Milton cannot be viewed enough times.
Maybe Dawsey should throw down the same punishment Laterian deserves:
Cameron Wade gets no video games for a whole weekend.
Maybe Cam's mom can help his grandmother pay for any damages to the victim's face.
I expect to see Laterian as a highly touted DT prospect in 9 years.
by TBfisherman on Apr 30, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Struggling to keep faith in democracy...
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
I agree we should dismiss Wade to send a message.
That you can’t just keep getting in trouble and getting away with it.
Problem is (though I completely agree of course)...
…who’s really going to get the message? If Parker’s dismissal didn’t motivate freaking Cameron Wade to make it to a court hearing? These players, from the top down, know that everything about our program is a complete joke right now. I told you I could see it in their eyes at the spring game. Nothing to do with the play on the field. Years away. Huge culture shock away. The fact that I haven’t read a press release THIS MORNING announcing Cam’s dismissal from the team only reaffirms this. It should have beaten the report out of the WCTV offices. Instead we wait for this: “We need Cam’s depth.” “He’s a good kid.” “Cam will learn from this and be a leader to the incoming freshman.” Is your stomach churning?
I stated it above: This isn’t normal.
Its hard for me to beleive that Fisher, Coley, and Trickett is leaving that impression on the offense
Now the linebackers and DB’s however…
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Well, just know that I don't throw around things like that loosely. And I was sitting behind the offensive bench.
It’s not those coaches’ fault. Fisher et all are powerless against it. The impression comes from the top. There is no head coach. The position coaches answer to nobody. Don’t think of Jimbo as the head coach. Or even the offense’s “head coach.” He’s neither. Their isn’t one. And you can’t run a major college football program without a head coach. These are becoming random thoughts, but I hope you’re understanding what I’m saying. Nothing at Florida State is organized or is set up the way it’s presented to be set up. And the more I try, the more I realize that attempting to explain this clustermess of a situation is truly a defeatist exercise. I fold.
I take your assessment as truthful and find myself slight depressed as a result.
I was not at the Spring Game, so I have nothing more to add to your interpretation.
However, I did record that 1-hour postseason special that aired on Sunshine, called “Behind the something” or “something lights”, the name escapes me. I saw a small microcosm during one of the scenes. Bowden is giving a post-game speech and you’ve got many players cutting up and not giving their undivided attention. You’ve even got a big shirtless dude with a giant wad of Chaw in his mouth, making loud side comments while Bobby is talking. Some of the assistant coaches have to yell “Hey!” to shut him and the others up. This should not happen. This is not something that will suddenly change from 2008 to 2009. This is something slipping away.
And please take my observation as anecdotal...
…i.e., I’m not an insider by any means, but it sounds like you drew the same kind of conclusion I did. I think some other TN members noticed the same thing from similar vantage points at the spring game, but I was also basing my conclusion on 15 years worth of watching spring practices. Was hardly a scientific process, but I came away with a bad feeling. I’m sure you know the feeling I’m talking about.
When we talk about our record for the fall, when we had the discussion with that guy, TheChi, or whatever his name was, did we forget about the games in which we inexplicably just won’t show up? Complete lack of motivation, “we just didn’t come out focused today?” That will still happen. (And how can we possibly predict those games? TheChi had no concept of this. Apparently MANY still do not.) The “fire” is nowhere near this program. Not yet, and how long will it take? Do we realize yet that when Jimbo takes over, he won’t have any kind of real head start, that he will have to start from scratch the day Bowden walks out the door? The culture is in shambles, and Jimbo’s been completely unable to improve it. Sure, he’s bringing in his guys now, but how can we expect his guys not to be affected by this culture? A caveat: When we see the youth movement on the field, I’ll feel better about this. But if that doesn’t happen and there are no tangible rewards for the younger guys buying into the new coaches? Forget about it.
I’m really not a negative guy, but it’s time to start wondering just how long it’s really going to take. Why can’t Bowden accounce a 2009 farewell tour? Really, Coach. It’s so far past time to let us move on without you. We’re going to look back and say it took Jimbo four years to fix the damage Jeff did to our offense. That in itself is not normal. What we’re talking about here is rebuilding an entire program. It’s not going to happen overnight, and it’s not happening now. We’re not 2 1/2 years into it or anything like that. I’m getting into random thoughts again, but I feel like these are all things that need to be said.
I think your point is best illustrated by looking at two powerhouses that are trying to recover and made similiar moves at the same time.
Compare Alabama to FSU and where there program was two years ago to today and the same with us.
Saban with full control and the program is on the rise. There are no questions about who runs the ENTIRE show there.
Fishcer with very very little control and the program flounders. There are no answers about who runs ANY of the show here.
Very sad.
Maybe part of me WANTS to not believe it.
So what do you say about the improvement on offense last year?
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Oops.
I’m not saying there isn’t improvement on the offensive side of the ball, but we’re light years away from the general impression of so many that “the team is heading in the right direction”, “Jimbo has started the transition,” ideas like these. I gather that most Seminole fans think we’re going to compete for a national championship in 2010. We won’t. This is a terribly unrealistic goal for a team that (hopefully) will be going through a real transition. Or more likely will continue to be in a stalemate with Coach Bowden “overseeing the smooth transition of defensive coaching staffs at Florida State” or some epic nonsense like that. Trust me FSUvaFan, I don’t want to believe these kinds of things either.
My only goals in being the Negative Nancy are to take the pressure off Jimbo and to keep the pressure on Bowden, as small as my little corner of the internet is. The first goal is the one closest to my heart as I maintain my prediction that, in the greatest of ironies, Jimbo Fisher will be given the shortest leash in the history of college football once Bowden finally is gone, largely because a huge part of the HCIW scam has involved convincing Florida State’s fanbase that Jimbo is the head coach behind the scenes right now, when clearly he is not, and clearly that is not possible given the situation. It will break my heart to see my prediction come true because Jimbo is the only reason our program is staying afloat right now, and because we’ve already wasted too much time to start from scratch again if we bail on a man who passed on a true dream job to stick with this one. To me, that’s worth some tough love.
Negative Nancy
I actually enjoy the angle of your negativity. I may come across as a Kool-Aid guzzler, but that’s only my internet persona. I’m a realist and scored higher than an 890 on the SAT, so I actually share your sentiments off the record.
There’s 2 types of internet Negative Nancy’s, and you fall under the guidelines of type 2 (the more rare species).
Type 1 – Woe is Me! Woe is Me! I’m better than this. Here we go again. Call me when you guys get good.
Type 2 – I actually care about the long-term future of the program and will pay my dues. I’m speaking out because I give a damn, and it’s not about me.
Thanks, K-man.
Wow, it’s like the opposite of fighting on the internet. And by the way, I don’t think anyone here comes across as a kool-aid drinker. (Well, except for TheChi, who may or may not have been a troll the whole time. Still suspicious that he never returned.) But anyway, I just love Florida State. And it’s heart-breaking and gut-wrenching what Bowden’s done to this football program in this decade. And in 2009 – wow, think about that, is it really 2009 and we’re still at this? – I truly believe one has to have blinders on to not see what’s going on here. You don’t have to be an insider. It’s transparent now. Is anyone at FSU even trying that hard to hide what’s going on? No one wants to believe it, but it’s all right there to be seen.
This idea that Bobby’s gonna step up and turn things up a notch in TWO-THOUSAND and NINE is such a pipe dream. Nobody can just flip a switch and perform like they did decades ago.*
*Not including Roger Clemens.
What about steroids!
Maybe if we get Bobby on the juice it will bring back the old Riverboat Gambler.
Preston Parker
A friend of mine just texted me that Preston Parker is going to play for a DII school somewhere in Alabama this upcoming season. Any truth to this? Sorry if this was posted somewhere on here already and I missed it.
Is this re: North Alabama / Terry & Jeff Bowden connection?
I’m assuming that’s what your friend is talking about.
Wow Im gone for a few days and all hell brakes lose
Well I hope this guy is gone soon. Could give his scolly to someone else. like a kicker or something. Hell I would rather lee back on the team ok maybe not but this clown need to go. And he can take the other clown with him. (CHUCK that is).
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Why would Meyer kick Harvin off the team for those transgressions?
Because he didn’t do them — never was in an ounce of trouble in G-ville. Get your facts straight! I’m a man! I’m 40!
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