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Richard Ash, 6'4" 250lb DT from Pahokee. FSU's newest offer. Per Luke at SOFLAFootball.com.

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 do we have anything on him like hight and weight.

Im all about going after these Pahokee guys

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 9, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
6’4" 250ish

He’s a good player.

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by FSUncensored on Apr 9, 2009 5:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Im not going to say hes bad but 240 is a little small for our O-line isnt it.

I guess it would be what kinda fram does he have. Hope he could add at least 25lb at least. Is it coley that wants us to have him or does Trickett and or Jimbo want him too. Thats all I would need to know. I trust in Trickett. "Can he do it, Yes he can"

by Bud Elliott on Apr 9, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

My bad I thought you were talking about an OT

Looks like a good strong guy dont think we could get 50lb on him though. He seems to have a good eye though. Can find the ball and read plays. For a DT thats good because he sees pass or run and reacts well to get to the ball or QB. Would be a great guy vs the screens. Doesnt seem to be fast but looks strong. In this there are teams just not blocking this guy.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 9, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I did notice

that he had an eye for the ball and did just fine in reading some of those plays. My concern is, will he be able to put on weight/muscle to clog up some holes on the DL?

by CSI Nole on Apr 9, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

might be good at the DE on short yard plays.

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by Desman on Apr 9, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

DT

I’m a bit skeptical… for some reason, I see him at DE, not DT (like you stated). For the past several years, I think our DT’s have been average, at best.

by CSI Nole on Apr 9, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's being recruited by Coley and O'dell.

Haggins loves him at DT and believes that he can put on the necessary +30 lbs to play effectively at the 3tech. From watching his film, he has elite high D1 calibre initial technique and burst; the two most important things a 3 tech DT needs.

by CaStauch on Apr 9, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

So would you agree with Haggins then?

Get a guy who knows how to play regardless of whether he weighs 250 or 350?

by FSUjab on Apr 10, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

My take

If a DT is <300, yes. If a DT is >330, no.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 10, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's specific to the position

I want our DTs (3 technique linemen) to play no less than 275 and no more than 290, unless they can maintain a greater weight without losing that initial burst and agility that’s so important for that position’s efficacy.

I want our NTs (1 technique linemen) to play at around ~305. We had Everett Dawkins playing there at 263, and given the job of the 1 tech NT (sustain 2 linemen and take them out of the play without being driven back 5 yards), 263 lbs is way too light.

by CaStauch on Apr 10, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pahokee

I like the fact that we’ve offered several prospects out of Pahokee and stand a good chance at signing them come Feb., 2010.

by CSI Nole on Apr 9, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this offer a lot.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 9, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Another surprise

I had never heard of this one either and probably wouldn’t have if I did not read this site.

The guy is 6-4 that is taller than most of our defensive tackles now. It is not like he has to start his first year on campus. He can always begin at defensive end and work up to defensive tackle.

by DocHoliday2 on Apr 9, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Coley

He couldn’t get all those Pahokee players when he was at FIU but he is reeling them in now. I would like to hear more about this one.

by DocHoliday2 on Apr 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Why do we need this?

Not every Pahokee kid is FSU material.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Apr 9, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be great.

We need 7 or 8, but I don’t know if we can pull that many. Maybe we can pick up a few sleeper 2 stars for depth purposes.

by FSUjab on Apr 10, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Demonte McAllister

He weighed 250 pounds when they offered him. Not every high schooler is going to be a Marvin Austin, who we missed out on, and weigh in at 6-0, 302 lbs.

by DocHoliday2 on Apr 9, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

And Demonte is expected to check in at ~275 lbs

And, FWIW, ESPN has weighed Richard Ash in at 263 lbs as of today.

He has an entire summer, senior year, and summer to put on weight from there. Expecting him to come in at ~280 is not that much of a stretch, considering how much athletically active men grow from 17 to 18. And, were he to come in at that weight, he’d be perfectly suited for his likely destination (3 technique DT).

I’m partial to Muck, and Pahokee in particular, kids. If I had my way, I’d like FSU to sign DJ Johnson, Richard Ash, Antonio Ford, Merrill Noel, and Fred Pickett this year.

You cannot underestimate their drive, determination, work ethic, and speed and agility.

by CaStauch on Apr 9, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is the most important statement i saw in this whole post

“You cannot underestimate their drive, determination, work ethic, and speed and agility”

Kids with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove. I’ll take any day of the week. All we need now, is to get coaches who can develop our players. Then we will be back on top for a change.

by Cee on Apr 10, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And...

if you’ve ever driven through Pahokee, you understand where the drive & motivation come from. No one wants to go back there to live…

by FSUjab on Apr 10, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably Pahokee's top prospect...

Talented DT are so tough to find (WR’s are a dime a dozen), and Ash certainly has the makings of a future NFL player. He’s a legit 6’3" and weighed 263 at the NIKE Camp last week. He is very light on his feet, and the video of him doing agility drills at the NIKE Camp (stupid ESPN make me take it down!!) is what USC liked the most. There is serious USC interest and I think they offer him after spring ball is over in May.

A kid that agile at 263 is great, but Ash will add a bunch more weight. You can just see the kid jumping to 290 with ease once in college. He does play too high right now, but that’s not because he’s stiff, just poor technique.

I feel for teamate Antonio Ford (6’3" 255). Same body as Ash, but got limited tick at DT after an ankle injury. He also missed the NIKE Camp so that didn’t help. I think he’s could be a big time DT as well, just hasn’t quite landed some of the big time offers that Ash has of yet.

Who would ever think a college could fill their DT need for a class at Pahokee HS alone!!

by Luke S. on Apr 10, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Where would you rank Ash compared to some of the other DTs we are after this year

I’m thinking he’s behind Cummings (commit), McCloud, Brandon Willis (could be a DE or DT) and Tavaris Barnes. So if he came would we be able to get all 5 then? Plus we look good at DE for Corey Miller and DE/LB in Telvin Smith (hope he is a LB personally) and DE David Perry (based on a previous Wednesday Recruiting Thread Post). Would we have room for 8 DL this year? This year looks really strong at DL, and I’d be for so called “extra” signings if they are the ‘right’ ones.

I haven’t even included guys like Louis Nix (long shot to turn) or Lynden Trail (longshot to get away from Miami) or have room for someone who may emerge as a HS SR that may not be known right now.

by RishiM on Apr 10, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was posted in the other thread, but we might oversign this year. 28 or so.

It’s becoming very clear that some players will not be asked to return.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 10, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post.

I like your idea about bringing in a bunch of guys from one team. However, let me throw this out there for discussion’s sake: what about the negative side of bringing in too many guys from one team? Will they form a clique and cause devisiveness? What about when one of the guys gets playing time and the others don’t? Would the familiarity promote competition or an entitlement attitude?

by FSUjab on Apr 10, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is where strong coaches come into the fold

A strong coach will lay it down right off the bat that playing time is earned. They will pull for one another, but at the same time, dont think for one minute they will want someone out there who is helping the team win. That mindset will be instilled in them by a coach who doesnt make you take a nap during a speech.

by Miaminole on Apr 10, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am so PUMPED after reading that

The program is headed in the right direction man….we just need that spark, and its going to be like a wildfire. I love baseball, and am enjoying it, but FSU football is my first love now, and I cant wait for it to start back up….

by Miaminole on Apr 10, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like more than half the class to 3/4 to be from Florida. The rest from the Southeast, with a few national kids sprinkled in.

Lock down Tally, more than a healthy dose of SoFla (some kids want to get out, ie Joyner), and Dawsey is on Tampa and Jax, so we are good there. Plus lock up our 5 star legacies (Christian Green).

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 10, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think mileage might be more appropriate

Since we are so close to Georgia (FSU specifically) I would be happy if we were getting the studs with a 200 mile radius(or whatever wouldnt be an outlandish number), along with the rest of Florida as you said.

by Miaminole on Apr 10, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We discuss this idea often and I have to say I totally agree.

You did forget one program, however: Jacksonville First Coast. Thomas, Carr, Commack, and possibly Barnes this year.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 10, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Lincoln?

:(

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Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 10, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that the talent there

has dropped off a bit the last couple years. Am I wrong?

by FSUjab on Apr 10, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never liked Lincoin

but they were in our conf. in high school. godby seemed to be better back then though.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 11, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

great point CaSt

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 10, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

USC is the important name is this recruitment.

He has an offer from Tennessee (Monte) too. Florida (another key one) is about to pull the trigger.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 10, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

it sucks because all UF and USC have to do is ask these days.

“Son we go after the best of the best only. We get our pick of the litter and you are it. BLA BLA BLA”

What are our chances when teams like this get into the mix

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Apr 10, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll add that September 27 will be a great day for Florida State.

DJ, Ash, Noel, Pickett, and possibly Ford.

Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook

by FSUSOM on Apr 10, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Just to backup what I think would happen, even though if comes from our Rivals;

UF did this with Lakeland in 2007. They signed:

SS Ahmad Black
OL Mark Pouncy
OL Mike Pouncy
RB Chris Rainey
DB Steve Wilks
WR Paul Wilson
NT John Brown

All from Lakeland in. Seven players! Now, granted, there was some serious natural talent in that group, but there’s no doubt that the familiarity, reflexively-motivated sense of pride in their school, the community-effect to win, and intra-competition made everyone better. Ahmad has started for the last 1.5 years on arguably the best secondary in the Country; the Pouncy’s have started since their freshman years on an SEC OL, Chris Rainey put up like 550 yards rushing in his freshman season last year, and Wilson / Wilkes have provided quality depth for competition during practice.

The other key aspect of bringing in groups of players from the same school is the mutual support system. We FSU fans know the Pouncey’s attitude issues and sense of entitlement all too well; we know Chris Rainey’s propensity for getting paid. There’s little doubt in my mind that had any of those three gone to a different school, those issues would have bubbled over into suspensions. Even John Brown, who was kicked off becuase he has a serious and legitimate learning disorder, was kept eligible and miraculously qualified to begin with.

And, at Miami in 2008, from Miami Northwestern:

NT Marcus Fortson
QB Jacory Harris
WR Aldarius Johnson
OL Benjamin Jones
LB Sean Spence
WR Tommy Streeter
WR Kendall Thompkins (may not resign after Juco, though)
OL Brandon Washington

and from Booker T Washington:

WR Therion Collier
CB Brandon Harris
WR Davon Johnson

With those two classes, Miami effectively made it a birthright to go from the two best programs in Dade country to da U. Something we plan to do with the best program in SC, Byrnes; the best program in southern Georgia, Lowndes; and maybe the best program in the state of Florida; Pahokee.

If Miami is to have success this year or the next, it will undoubtedly come from those two cadres of players. A legitimate argument can be made that by 2010, no less than 8 will be starting, and all should receive major playing time in some capacity. Not a single player from either group has got into any trouble, an amazing thing considering these are elevated kids in South Beach.

by CaStauch on Apr 10, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

This is excellent support for your theory.

And the biggest thing for our program is keeping each other out of trouble. Although Shannon doesn’t have the best record down there at UM, he certainly has kept a tight rein on those guys.

by FSUjab on Apr 10, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WR Kendall Thompkins is at Miami and ended up redshirted this season after an injury.

His older brother Kenbrell is the stud JuCo WR with offers from UF, LSU, and Arizona. Kenbrell did not attend college after HS and this past season was his first year of college at El Camino.

by Luke S. on Apr 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya because Kendall and Kenbrell are not even close to the same name... :)

It gets even tricker because Kenbrell graduated HS in ’06 and Kendall in ’08 yet this year was the first year of college for both.

by Luke S. on Apr 10, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeffrey Godfrey

WE NEED TO PUT THE FULL COURT PRESS ON HIM. HE IS ONE OF THE TOP 5 PROSPECTS THAT WE HAVE A SHOT AT – HE IS VERY UNDERRATED.

I needed to put that in all caps because people keep overlooking this guy. He is the best QB prospect that we have a shot at this year – lazer arm and great speed. Height means very little. He is going to be a difference maker wherever he goes.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Apr 10, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

2010 QB Christian Lemay

With this recent offer (Jeffrey Godfrey), what are our chances with Lemay in 2010 if we sign a decent QB? The class predictions for 2009 lacks a quality QB. Not sure who we’d sign in 2009 but I think Jimbo will recruit Lemay like he did EJ Manuel. Heard somewhere that Lemay has connections to Gainesville and Tally. I also heard that he wants to play for Jimbo (any truth to that)?

by CSI Nole on Apr 10, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a year off

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Apr 10, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meant 2011

Just not sure we’ll land a quality QB in this class. If we don’t, Lemay will be Jimbo’s #1 priority for 2011. If we sign a quality QB in 2010, it could hurt our chances with Lemay. Anyone have the inside scoop about Lemay?

by CSI Nole on Apr 10, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

What makes you think we have a good shot at landing him? 5’11"? Same height as our walk on, Eddinger. He (Godfrey) might have skills but considering I was at the spring game, something wasn’t right with Eddinger behind center. He looked like the smallest guy on the field, wearing an oversized jersey. Maybe Godfrey will grow another couple inches.

by CSI Nole on Apr 10, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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