Does Florida State have the toughest schedule in the nation? Plus, how do professional gamblers break down a team's schedule in the preseason: Using proportional win shares to predict a team's final record
As the top 25 polls continue to trickle out and anticipation mounts as August approaches, I began to think about the Nation's most difficult schedules. Schedule plays a huge role in a teams success-- probably a much larger role than anyone wants to admit. Why? Schedule is largely out of a team's immediate control. 90% of schedules are made years in advance, with only a non-conference game or two to be decided in the year before the current season. Last season, we noted that UGA's schedule was much too tough to make a serious run at the National Championship. Unfortunately for our prediction (and for UGA's title hopes), massive injuries derailed the Bulldog's season long before their attrition heavy schedule could catch up with them.
My curiosity further spikes when ESPN's ACC Blogger, Heather Dinich posted her Dream 13 week ACC Road Trip. 13 games in 13 weeks, and the 'Noles are involved in 7 of them! That's right, ESPN's ACC blogger is calling 7 of the 8 Seminole ACC matchups the game of the week. That doesn't include a trip to the Swamp to face the odds-on favorite for the National Championship, the Florida Gators.
Here's more on the 'Noles schedule:
- 11 of the 'Noles 12 opponents played in bowl games last year. I couldn't find any other team with more than 9.
- The 'Noles play only 6 home games. Last year, they played 8.
- At least 5 and as many as 7 of the 'Noles opponents figure to be ranked teams. Show me another team that's likely to play half of their games against ranked teams.
Why does this matter?
Realistic prognostications and expectations.
Date Opponent Result
Sep. 7 Miami-FL TBA
Sep. 12 Jacksonville St. TBA
Sep. 19 at BYU TBA
Sep. 26 South Florida TBA
Oct. 3 at Boston College TBA
Oct. 10 Georgia Tech TBA
Oct. 22 at North Carolina TBA
Oct. 31 NC State TBA
Nov. 7 at Clemson TBA
Nov. 14 at Wake Forest TBA
Nov. 21 Maryland TBA
Nov. 28 at Florida TBA
There just aren't any breaks in that schedule. FSU starts with a mega-rivalry game on labor day night, then play a cross-country game at an experienced BYU team, followed by a game against USF that the 'Noles could easily overlook. The 'Noles then finish with 6 of their remaining 9 games on the road.
I posted this today to remind people to form reasonable expectations, and I want to show you how those reasonable expectations can go awry.
For instance, here's an excerpt from a recent conversation I had with a friend who is a big FSU fan. I asked him to predict our season.
Sep. 7 Miami-FL WIN
Sep. 12 Jacksonville St. WIN
Sep. 19 at BYU LOSS
Sep. 26 South Florida WIN
Oct. 3 at Boston College WIN
Oct. 10 Georgia Tech WIN
Oct. 22 at North Carolina LOSS
Oct. 31 NC State WIN
Nov. 7 at Clemson WIN
Nov. 14 at Wake Forest WIN
Nov. 21 Maryland WIN
Nov. 28 at Florida LOSS
He went with 9-3. That's a common prediction I've seen by FSU fans this offseason. It would also be an amazing season for the 'Noles.
The error my friend is making is that he is making definitive all of nothing calls on games that are anything but locks. Football games are not 100%/ 0% probabilities (typically). Now, could my friend be right? Absolutely, but his methodology is suboptimal at best.
It just so happens I have a friend of mine who is a professional gambler. He has a day job, but he makes his living betting sports like a day trader plays the stock market, complete with a healthy dose of arbitrage. Every year since my freshman year of college, we've gotten together and broken down the upcoming season, and we have a method. We call it proportional win shares. You can call it whatever you want, but I think you'll see how it's more effective than simply assigning "win" or "loss" to the games.
The idea is simple: assign a winning % to each game. For instance, you could say that FSU has an 80% chance of beating Maryland (0.80), of that they have a 20% chance to beat UF (0.20).
Now, you might be thinking, "how do you project a team's winning percentage?" This chart can help:
| Point Spread | Money Line |
| -2 | -120/+120 |
| -2.5 | -130/+130 |
| -3 | -145/+145 |
| -3.5 | -175/+175 |
| -4 | -185/+185 |
| -4.5 | -200/+200 |
| -5/-5.5 | -215/+215 |
| -6 | -240/+240 |
| -6.5 | -260/+260 |
| -7 | -290/+290 |
| -7.5/-8/-8.5 | -330/+330 |
| -9/-9.5 | -350/+350 |
| -10 | -385/+385 |
| -10.5 | -415/+415 |
| -11 | -445/+445 |
| -11.5 | -475/+475 |
| -12/ -12.5 |
-500/+500 |
| -13 | -525/+525 |
| -13.5 | -550/+550 |
| -14 | -580/+580 |
| -14.5 | -610/+610 |
| -15/ 15.5 | -640/+640 |
| -16/16.5 | -665/+665 |
| -17 | -690/+690 |
| -17.5 |
-715/+715 |
| -18/ -18.5/ -19/ -19.5 | -740/+740 |
| -20 | -770/+770 |
| -20.5 | -800/+800 |
| -21 | -815/+815 |
| -21.5 | -830/+830 |
| -23 | -845/+845 |
| -24 | -875/+875 |
| -28 |
-920/+920 |
You might be a bit lost right now, but that's okay. Here's the idea. A 3 point underdog, has a moneyline value of "+145". In numerical terms, that comes out to 245, because you add 100. Still with me? If not, it's okay. Keep following. To determine a team's projected winning percentage, based on the vegas line, simply take the moneyline value in numerical terms, and divide it into one.
- Team A is favored over Team B by 3 points.
- Thus, Team B is an underdog of 3 points.
- Team B can be referred to as +3
- Using the chart above, we can see that an underdog of +3 is "+145" moneyline value.
- Remember to add 100 to the "145", to get "245".
- Then, divide 100 (always 100 here) by 245.
- 100/245= 0.408, which we will round to 0.41
- 0.41 is the same thing as 41%.
- So, Team B (the 3 point underdog) has a 41% chance of winning this game.
- If Team B has a 41% chance of winning, then Team A must have a 59% chance of winning (because these numbers must add up to 100%)
Why does any of this matter? Let's get back to our friend who picked the games using the win/loss method. I asked him how certain he was that FSU would lose the North Carolina game, or how certain he was that FSU would win the Georgia Tech game. Did he think FSU would lose the Carolina game 100% of the time? No. Did he think FSU would win the Georgia Tech game 100% of the time? Definitely not. I got him to admit that he thought these games were slightly better than tossups, or coin flips if you will. He was beginning to realize why his (and most preseason) predictions could be seriously wrong: because they are dealing in absolutes.
That's where the more advanced method really comes in handy. I asked him to project a winning % for each FSU game. Here's what he came back with
Sep. 7 Miami-FL 75%
Sep. 12 Jacksonville St. 100%
Sep. 19 at BYU 45%
Sep. 26 South Florida 80%
Oct. 3 at Boston College 85%
Oct. 10 Georgia Tech 60%
Oct. 22 at North Carolina 40%
Oct. 31 NC State 65%
Nov. 7 at Clemson 65%
Nov. 14 at Wake Forest 75%
Nov. 21 Maryland 95%
Nov. 28 at Florida 0%
Already, he could see that this new method was more realistic, though harsh. He had projected the Noles to win 7.9 games by this method, a full game less than he had using his win/loss method. But there was still a problem. He couldn't see it. Can you? Scroll down.
Realistic expectations.
I presented these ideas to my friend and he agreed with most of them. See what you think:
- FSU won't be favored by more than a touchdown against Miami. 5 is the most it's been in the past half decade.
- Jacksonville State is not a 100% lock after the Appalachian State- Michigan game. Call it 99%
- He called BYU a loss, but gave FSU a 45% chance to win. That's a pretty definitive call to make on what is a de facto coin flip. Ditto the UNC game and the Georgia Tech game.
- Boston College isn't an 85% type game. The last time FSU traveled that far and was that heavily favored? Syracuse, 2004. 10 point favorites seem a lot more likely than 15.
- FSU won't be favored by 30 against Maryland, regardless of last year's score, but that's what a 95% projected winning % implies. 17 points is enormous for a conference game (87%); 30 is unfathomable.
- Finally, UF. Will FSU lose this game? Almost certainly. Is there any chance FSU wins? Of course. Think injuries or good bounces, or both! What's reasonable? Probably somewhere between 17 and 20 point underdogs, giving the 'Noles between a 10 and unlucky (for the gators) 13% chance of winning.
After accepting my recommendations, here's what his final looked like:
Sep. 7 Miami-FL 68%
Sep. 12 Jacksonville St. 99%
Sep. 19 at BYU 45%
Sep. 26 South Florida 80%
Oct. 3 at Boston College 80%
Oct. 10 Georgia Tech 60%
Oct. 22 at North Carolina 40%
Oct. 31 NC State 65%
Nov. 7 at Clemson 65%
Nov. 14 at Wake Forest 75%
Nov. 21 Maryland 87%
Nov. 28 at Florida 13%
Even though he had the 'Noles favored to win 9 of thier 12 games, his final tally came out to 7.77 wins, which implies that the 'Noles are more likely to win 8 than 7, more likely to win 9 than 6, etc.. The reason, of course, is that most of the games will feature the 'Noles as small favorites. In the ACC, with their conservative, defensive natured head coaches and defensive talent rich rosters (most NFL talent over last 5 years, and overwhelmingly on the defensive side), games are often close. Blowouts are rare. With FSU's schedule particularly, there is a distinct lack of Gimme's. A team like Texas, playing four directional schools, likely would garner 4 games in which they have a 95+% chance to win. Those games (or the lack thereof) really add up.
We can look to the past and use it to guide us. After a while, you can begin to sense when you are incorrectly gauging a team's chance to win a game. Ask yourself, "would Team A really beat Team B 75 out of 100 times?" If the answer is "probably not", then your 75% projected winning percentage for team A is too high and doesn't mesh with your beliefs. Hopefully this exercise will help you to better handicap your team's chances in the upcoming season. I'm not ready to give my exact predictions yet and I'd be skeptical of anyone who is offering definitive predictions at this point as there is so much yet to happen this offseason, but I will certainly try to use the best method possible when handicapping the upcoming season. I hope you do as well.
On that note, let's take a poll. We'll have a question every day through the end of May. Then we will follow up in June, and at the end of July. It should be interesting to see how the opinions of our readers change over the course of these three short months.
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I love the Uncensored world
The ‘big FSU fan friend’ is lambasted while the implied ‘compulsive gambler friend’ is praised.
Haha.
We did have 8 home games in 2008, but 7 were in Doak and 1 in Jacksonville.
If you look at the past few schedules though, we definitely had it much easier in 2008 than 2007 and this upcoming season.
2008:
—8 games as Home Team, including 1 in Jax
—10 games in the state of Florida (including Champs Bowl)
—Traveled to only Raleigh, Atlanta, and College Park.
2007:
—only 6 home games, including 1 in Jax (5 in Doak)
—7 games in the state of Florida
—Traveled to Clemson, Boulder, Winston-Salem, Boston, Blacksburg, Nashville
2009 (obviously doesn’t include Bowl Game)
—6 Home games (all at Doak)
—7 games in the state of Florida
—Travel to Provo, Boston, Chapel Hill, Clemson, Winston-Salem
Home games are an obvious advantage in college football. Just looking at the last 2 years, we can see that this team is affected by travel. Out of the 9 out of state games listed from 07-08, I’d say that Maryland-08 and Boston-07 are the only 2 games we DIDN’T under perform.
We’re gonna be putting a lot more miles on the Nole car in 2009 than 2008.
Haha yeah
The realist in me comes out. Except at game time.
We need to improve our travel record, and we can do that by having more accountability within the team. Excuse me, not having, but demanding. Road wins take the effort of everyone, from the scout team guy who doesn’t make the trip to the star running back. It’s an all-week process.
Nice job.
This is a lot better than those W/L predictions that I despise so much. At least if you attribute a %, there is a little more room for debate. A W/L prediction is complete opinion and speculation.
Certainly, being on the road will be a disadvantage for the Noles. However, I still remain optimistic: 1) our offense should be MUCH improved, and 2) overall, the defenses in the ACC should have a down year (with the exception of NC and maybe Clemson).
Here’s my percentages:
Sep. 7 Miami-FL 68%
Sep. 12 Jacksonville St. 99%
Sep. 19 at BYU 65%
Sep. 26 South Florida 70%
Oct. 3 at Boston College 65%
Oct. 10 Georgia Tech 65%
Oct. 22 at North Carolina 50%
Oct. 31 NC State 70%
Nov. 7 at Clemson 55%
Nov. 14 at Wake Forest 75%
Nov. 21 Maryland 80%
Nov. 28 at Florida 20%
Now, I’m not a mathematician here. How do I work this in reverse to get the number of wins?
I greatly agree on the weakened ACC this year.
I think FSU will look better because IMHO, only NC State and GT will field a better team in the ACC than least year, with VT being a push, and Miami a little down from changing co-ordinators…
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
Most are saying that Clemson should be better.
Dabo may get the benefit of Bowden’s solid recruiting classes (although I think he may have been head of recruiting).
That comes out to 7.82 wins
You divide each percentage by 100, then add them all and there you have it!
Well, I guess 8 wins is about right with this schedule.
I’m predicting 9 though based on optimism… :)
Nothing wrong with a little optimism
Wish I had it. Maybe after this year! Wait, was that optimism?
GT game
I know most GT fans are pretty confident rolling in to Tallahassee despite our recent record with Bobby. Our team will be better offensively. Also, barring another Nesbitt injury, we should handily dispatch the FSU defense. The winner will probably be the first team to 45 (ala our uga game last year) or the last team with the ball (ala FSU last year).
Fight, win, drink, get naked
What's your take on the risk/reward of the triple option?
We’ve obviously never tried anything of the sort in Tallahassee. Are you legitimately concerned about injury against athletic defense knowing your QB and RB’s might get popped on every play? And the risk of fumble must make it tense as well.
We helped alleviate some of that stress by playing “Last One to Touch The Center’s Shoelaces Is A Rotten Egg” with our DT’s.
We have similar numbers
I can’t fathom why people underestimate Clemson. I know for a fact that Jimbo Fisher has told people that Clemson is the team to beat and should be the favorite to win the Atlantic in 2009. I agree, as they are loaded with veteran talent, have a much more experienced and healthy OLine, and figure to again have either the 1st or 2nd best defense.
My favorite thing about this formula is that it makes the homers be honest in their evaluation. So many would award 3 wins in 3 60% type games, when we know that’s not all that likely.
The percentages show what I've thought all along...
that we’ll probably lose the NC game and one or two other ACC games. That would put us at 8-4 regular season. 9 wins is achievable, but probably just as likely as another 7 win season.
What helps us with Clemson is that it’s at home. Clemson was smart though – they put a powder puff game @ home (Coastal Carolina) the week before they play us. They probably won’t be looking ahead too much either as they play NC State the week after us.
No matter what kind of talent they have, they still have a new QB playing in his first big game. FSU’s offense and defense are just as good as Clemson’s. The talent is even and JF is doing nothing but blowing smoke up Clemson’s rear. In a big game you go with the more expereinced QB which is why the Noles could be walking into the Swamp undefeated or with only a BYU loss.
FSU's defense is NOWHERE NEAR as good as Clemsons
They weren’t last season and seeing what we lost (a bunch) and what they lost (nothing), I seriously doubt it would change this year.
Clemson had the conference’s 1st or 2nd best defense last year. FSU’s was average (6th or 7th).
ASSUMING
of course that you are judging perfromance based on what happened on the field, accounting for opponent qality differences, and that your talent judgments come from recruiting ratings, nfl draft early ratings,and observations.
If you’re using video games or something, well then I’m not sure what to do with that.
1) The Noles LB corps is the best in the ACC, period.
2) We have the best cover corner in P-Rob. Our DL is solid and the people that were lost with the exception of Brown can be easily replaced. White is making tremedous progress on the side that Brown occupied.
3) Again, you use numbers and I look at actual performance and talent returning in addition to the opposing teams strengths offesnsively and thier schemes.
4) There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics. You better stop using numbers as your only barometer. FSU’s defense is ran by Andrews who can’t defend a mobile QB or the read option, that has nothing to do with TALENT.
You gotta come better than that.
A statistic is simply a measure of what happens on the field.
I frankly do not get why people refuse to understand this.
1) We have at most 2.5 linebackers returning that made any significant contribution last year, and suddenly they are “the best in the ACC, period.” I guess we better alert every other team that TheChi said period so it must be true.
2) P-Rob is solid, but teams tend to have more than 1 WR these days. If the people we lost on the DL were so bad, and they people we have couldn’t beat them for jobs, what does it say about the people we have?
3) I doubt anyone not employed by Florida State watched more game film than Uncensored last season.
4) See the subject line of this post. Teams aren’t measured by what they should have been according to TheChi’s opinion. They are measured by what happens on the field. Those numbers that apparently you’re so scared of are nothing more than measures of what happened on the field.
Someone is using an objective measure of performance and not just an eye test!!! Be afraid… Be very afraid!!
I agree with everything you said, except #2...
The part about the DL couldn’t beat them for jobs. That’s not fair, MattD. That’s like saying that Jermaine Thomas isn’t going to pick up the slack for Antone because he didn’t start last year.
Just wants to beat the Gators
Not a totally fair comparison.
Although I like Jermaine’s athletic ability over Antone, there IS another reason Jermaine didn’t play over Antone besides the seniority thing. As this spring proved, Jermaine and Ty have a long way to go before they perfect the art of blitz pick-up.
Fair enough.
But I do not think we should fall into the “Our backups are better than our starters” trap and undermine our credibility.
Let me phrase it this way then.
I do not think we can currently count on the DL to be “solid” given what we have seen from them.
Hoping that White, McCray, Thacker, Mincey, McDaniel, McAllister, and McNeil ALL turn into solid contributors this season is like hoping to guess right seven straight times in Russian Roulette.
No its not. Its nothing like guess work. Mincey was solid last year. Last year was White’s first year and now he’s bigger and has more technique. Haggins can coach and he has done a good job bringing the line around. Additionally the defense you saw in the spring won’t be the same defense on opening day against Miami.
You forgot Stevens progress as well.
Mincey was solid last year.
In what game? Please, lemme know. I’ll find the tape.
Additionally the defense you saw in the spring won’t be the same defense on opening day against Miami.
Why?
I guess they're better?
Either that, or he’s implying they slack off in practice.
Just wants to beat the Gators
Because all through the spring they experimented with different defenses and personnel groups. They didn’t have the regular rotation of DT’s in there as well. There is a good possibility that Dunbar will be healthy again and that is a huge boost. So things are shaping up for the line.
The spring and summer are for working on basics, conditioning, and experimenting etc.
The only concern on defense I have is that other corner but even that can be schemed for against certain teams.
Where do you get your information?
Dunbar has been medically disqualified. He will never play again. Done.
Where did you hear that?
by Bud Elliott on May 21, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
From others that still live in the area but if that’s true then Dunbar would have been a pleasant add-on because I thought he was done as well initially.
They say Thacker’s injury is more serious than what the Nole staff is letting on but who knows. I’m just going by what they say regarding health.
The point is looking at who the official site says will play this season, the Noles are in good shape defensively in all areas except that other corner position.
It’s really not that complicated.
1) The Noles LB corps is the best in the ACC, period.
Sorry, but it’s UNC. Quan Sturdivant and Bruce Carter would start over anything we currently have, though Watson might give them a run for their 3rd spot. The ‘Noles? These new starters didn’t even combine for 100 tackles last year.
2) We have the best cover corner in P-Rob. Our DL is solid and the people that were lost with the exception of Brown can be easily replaced. White is making tremedous progress on the side that Brown occupied.
Our DL is solid based on what? That we lost by far our best player and the rest of these guys got repeatedly pancaked last year, were garbage in spring, and have proven nothing? Right on. They are much too small and the only DT we have who looks to be an NFL type is a Sophomore, McCray. Never believe these "he’s making progress" articles. They are pure fluff and we see them every offseason.
3. What actual performance are you looking at? I looked at actual performance, and by actual performance, Clemson had al elite level defense and FSU did not.
4. Know what does have something to do with talent? The Draft, and they aren’t high on our defensive players. A few ridiculous articles claim Dekoda Watson is a 1st rounder, and he won’t even go in the top 2 rounds (lack of size).
Chi,
how many points did we score on Miami? 41, right? How do I know? It’s a stat.
I wouldn’t trade Bradham over ANY LB in the ACC. So i don’t know what you’re talking about there plus we have Watson who may be a first round pick. Our collection of LB’s may be the best in the country.
The draft is based on potential not performance half the time. Have you ever thought that Clemson may just have a better coach than Andrews?
AGAIN, if you need NFL talent that means you can’t coach or you can’t evaluate teams. Anybody can look at OK and say they will be good, its harder with teams like FSU because nothing is obvious.
I know football so I don’t need things to be that obvious.
Again? Really?
I thought we all learned our lesson last time. “Just say no” to The Chi.
Disclaimer: I do not want a part of this hijacking and will not further respond
Totally convinced he's a Gator troll.
But he’s a pretty good one. (Hey, you give credit where it’s due.) I’ve called him out on the very few slips he’s made (again, credit where due – he’s good), and he’s disappeared from the scene everytime. No one defies logic like TheChi does and lives to tell about it.
Last year's percentages to compare
Here’s what I came up with for LAST YEARS percentages, just in case someone wants a POV value to compare to. These are based on the actual outcome of the game based on score to come up with the Probability of Victory.
POV = 1/(1+10^(-MOV/18.8))
Date Team Score POV
9/6/2008 Western Caro. 69-0 99.98
9/13/2008 Chattanooga 46-7 99.16
9/20/2008 Wake Forest 3-12 24.93
9/27/2008 Colorado 39-21 90.07
10/4/2008 @ Miami (Fla.) 41-39 56.09
10/16/2008 @ North Carolina St. 26-17 75.07
10/25/2008 15 Virginia Tech 30-20 77.29
11/1/2008 @ 22 Georgia Tech 28-31 40.92
11/8/2008 Clemson 41-27 84.74
11/15/2008 Boston College 17-27 22.71
11/22/2008 @ Maryland 37-3 98.47
11/29/2008 1 Florida 15-45 2.47
12/27/2008 Wisconsin 42-13 97.21
What if Scenarios
FSUUncensored,
Does your formula allow “what if” scenarios? Specifically, if we beat Miami and cover the line, how does that information change the lines for subsequent games and the expected probablity of winning? Obviously the more games we win and cover the line, the higher the expected line and probability of winning for each future game.
No, it would be an insanely time intensive endeavor to pull that off for all 120 D1 teams. We wouldn’t be more likely to win each game just because the line was higher, but rather, we’d be more likely to win each successive game because we were better than people think and thus the subsequent lines would be higher.
It’s something I’d love to see, but I’m not sure it’s worth doing, considering how much time you put in to it.
Homer here
Clemson should be a pretty good team I will agree. On the other hand I never even allude to the possibility of them having an opportunity to win against FSU because of the simple fact that I had listened to so many of them talking about how they had eclipsed FSU and dominate forever for the past few seasons.
For me to even entertain the possiblity of losing to them again they will simply have to do it on the field and they couldn’t last year. This year is their last opportunity to win against FSU in the foreseeable future. Even their top 3 Byrnes recruits will probably go to FSU. They know which way the wind is blowing.
Same for Wake this has to be the year this nighmare ends. I don’t care if we are playing at Wake.
I see our toughest games as UNC, Miami, Georgia Tech and Florida. We won’t lose all four of those and will post a 10 win season. Mark it down!
I will say that I agree with Jimbo when he says Clemson is the favorite, but if we beat them in death valley (last time that happened… anyone?… 2001), we will have a nice position because I do not see FSU losing to NCST, as Jimbo has their defense figured out it seems.
Sep. 7 Miami-FL 70%
Sep. 12 Jacksonville St. 99%
Sep. 19 at BYU 96%
Sep. 26 South Florida 96%
Oct. 3 at Boston College 96%
Oct. 10 Georgia Tech 70%
Oct. 22 at North Carolina 70%
Oct. 31 NC State 96%
Nov. 7 at Clemson 96%
Nov. 14 at Wake Forest 96%
Nov. 21 Maryland 96%
Nov. 28 at Florida 20%
That adds up to 10.03 wins, and fsu would be favored in all but UF.
To me, predicting 10 wins seems crazy, but it’s not a crazy result. That’s the difference. 10 wins is a possibility, but it’s a longshot. If I’m trying to predict the most likely outcome, I wouldn’t pick the longshot.
I think we will be favored in as few as 7 and as many as 11 games this year, which is encouraging.
Feel
I love the stuff you have posted. Also, when you get to be my age, you can rely on good old-fashioned intution for this stuff, too, so long as your Mr. Spock-like in your ability to control emotions. It’s kind of like the guy who puts over a spot vs. the guy that visualizes the putt and feels it down to the cup.
In any event, my gut is whistling the same tune (as I commented a couple days ago in another thread) as your analysis. — 7 or so wins.
Here’s what’s scary, though. While 10 wins is possible, as FSUncensored recently posted, it’s also entirely possible that we win as few as 4 or 5. Scary.
The 10,000 hour rule
I am so there when it comes to handicapping games ;)
Love the spock-like quote.
It’s worth pointing out that the ’Noles have much more fluidity than a team that could be
20%
99%
99%
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99%
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80%
75%
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That team above, I’d say with higher confidence that I could predict their record, because they have fewer games that are close to being a toss-up.
I guess someone miss understood his committment
Guess he’s not committed.
Just wants to beat the Gators
What is with these kids doing this?
They are attempting to secure the best available spot until something better comes along.
RE: The Poll question. I voted FSU will be favored by 3 (or less) because
the oddsmakers know the history of this series and they would be foolish to favor either team by much more. However I have a good gut feeling about this game even though it will be the kickoff game, which I was against changing the date originally, but the more I thought about it I think we are catching UM at the opportune time as they are in a similiar chaotic mode as what we were in a couple of years ago. Today I think we will win it by at least 10, but that may change depending on how the summer drills go, and I may adjust it in either direction, but we will still win it.
To that point, it will be interesting to see what...
Vegas pegs as the over/under for the Miami game.
how “bad” do they think our defense will be? how far along do they think Miami’s offense will be by their first game? It’s a rivalry game that, aside from last year has been a defensive battle the past couple of years. And we all know how well we have performed on prime time recently….
I am quite interested
I think they will go with 48-52ish. The public thinks Miami and FSU’s defenses were better than their offenses, however, our esearch and that of others show that was not the case
And Vegas is seldom wrong...
I think you’re about right. I just cant narrow it down any closer than 45-55
Thanks, TRM
I figured many would start to see the math and run, but I hoped the message would get through.
Who needs math?
Hyperbole will more than suffice!
I know football so I don't need hyperbole.
I have randomly determined within my own head that my argument right there was better than yours, so in order to try to convince you that I actually made sense I will now say…
“Come harder.”
Last Year
Uncensored, do you happen to have the percentages you placed on each game from last year?. I would be interested to see how your win/loss predictions compared to our record and which teams you thought we would beat and which ones you thought we would lose to.
by Nole Holds Barred on May 21, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
I posted them on warchant once, should have them at home somewhere.
They might be in my place up at Bama, so we’ll have to see.
by Bud Elliott on May 21, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

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