Monday Morning Tomahawks 05.27.09
by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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Print- Happy Birthday to MattDNole! MD turns the big Two-Five today. Halfway to fifty!
- Chantrant: How long will FSU pay the price for the worst recruiting year in recent history? (2007, Jeff Bowden's last)
- Chantrant.com: Top 10 things heard at the NCAA meetings (Humor).
- Scalpem.com's weekly ScalPOLL: How far will baseball go?
- Andrew Carter: NCAA Decision is delayed, the AP report is bogus.
- EJ. Manuel: Back at 100%. The cast is off his finger, and he's throwing 7-on-7 drills on the band field. Everyone should go out and watch. Offer some encouragement, but don't be a pest. MattDNole says about 20 players were working out + Ponder and E.J. were out there throwing. This is encouraging. We need CP7 and E.J. to get those guys out there every single day and throw them balls until their fingers bleed.
- Want a PDF file of the Baseball regional? Here you go.
via grfx.cstv.comj Seminoles.com running back preview... check it out. They have some nice video. Still think ours was better...
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An excellent look at Tyrod Taylor from Gobblercountry.com
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Remember to help us scout our 2009 football opponents!
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- Godby High School is a complete joke. Mr. Football was arrested for robbery with a firearm. It's a damn shame that FSU can't take advantage of the relatively big talent pool coming out of that school, but the facts are that Godby high does not prepare their kids for college entry, much less college success. Their coaches sure do care that the athletes are eligible to play on Friday nights, though. Hopefully that will get their "graduates" somewhere in prison.
- Steve Ellis on the 'Noles chances to make the Super Regional.
- FSU target Kenny Shaw scored two touchdowns for Dr. Phillips high in thier spring game! Way to go, Kenny!
- Finally: Interesting comments from a veteran SEC assistant, Brad Lawing of South Carolina, about the validity of recruiting evaluations in this Phil Kornblut column:
In Lawing's opinion, the rating of players and the ranking of signing classes is a scam. "I can take a three-star and make him a four-star, and I can take a four-star and make him a three- or two-star with the contacts I have," Lawing said. "That's how ridiculous recruiting on the Internet is. I took Chris Culliver [USC safety] from a three- to a five-star in three weeks. All you've got to do is talk to the right people."
He is right. Certain schools and coaches have a lot of pull with recruiting analysts, although in fairness to the recruiting people, you probably could make a similar argument for college All-American teams. If one coach really makes a strong case to some media members, he can get a certain player on or off an all-conference or even All-American team, especially if the player is a linemen or defensive back. Those positions are more dependent on the opinions of guys who have coaching insight.
Would coaches ever ask for their players to be elevated in the rankings in exchange for the continuing flow of information? Naaaaa
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Agree on Star Rankings
His point is that most of the sites offering star rankings raise a players rating as he gains more offers. The ranking is reactionary to a school like USC offering a player. Former UCLA and Minnesota Recruiting Coordinator Randy Taylor on rankings:
When we offered a guy his star ranking would go up. In fact, recruiting coordinators around the country are schmoozing the local guys to get their class ranked higher to make them look better at their signing day booster party that night. Many head coaches are doing this too.
To be fair and honest. Most of the ratings are good….i did say most, like 80%…I mean just look at them over the past 5 years. They have been dead on more than not. And consider this, imagine how hard it must be to rate hundreds of kids each year but we have some brave souls who try. And also think about the different strategies each use. Some may grade by offer list, college coach anaylisis, player’s size, stats, place they play, who they seen the most, players they just have a good vibe with, or they go with players who have been playing good over a period of time. I know for a fact that rivals writers base a lot of their rankings on how they like a guy personally. If you dont show up to all their camps and dont interview with them you’ll drop, i.e. Lamar Miller. But i still like the rankings b/c it gives you a base and then you can judge your own opinion. I think 60% of the 5 stars this yr are legit. Same with 4 star players. I believe that if your a 3 star player that your pretty darn good. To me, 5 star players mean that you dominate on the HS level no matter what the competition. Unless your from Kansas, i can pick 10 Dade players that would look 5 star in that crap. And you have to consider that in Florida some players play against elite talent atleast 6 times in yr. There is no way that Torrian Wilson is not one of the best OL in the nation (TOP 50 player)after mauling L. Trail (BTW), Head to Head fight with C. Lemonier (Hia), 20 pancakes against LBP with their 6’3 De’s, and handling D. Dye 90% of the game. So the rankings are not perfect but i appreciate them. I love it when i see a player ranked top 10 in one and bottom 50 in another. Like i always tell kids, its a privilege and honor if your considered to be in the top 300 out of all the damn players in the country. Its a ton of kids who play HS ball.
So the star system is not a scam but its not to be totally relied upon either. Give me Sean Spence over any 5 star LB from Kansas…….
PS. Lamar Miller would have had 2600 yds in Kansas
Good to see you again, Genron
To be fair and honest. Most of the ratings are good….i did say most, like 80%…I mean just look at them over the past 5 years. They have been dead on more than not.
Correct, and we know that 1 in 12 5*’s will make a pro bowl at some point in their lives.
And consider this, imagine how hard it must be to rate hundreds of kids each year but we have some brave souls who try. And also think about the different strategies each use. Some may grade by offer list, college coach anaylisis, player’s size, stats, place they play, who they seen the most, players they just have a good vibe with, or they go with players who have been playing good over a period of time. I know for a fact that rivals writers base a lot of their rankings on how they like a guy personally. If you dont show up to all their camps and dont interview with them you’ll drop, i.e. Lamar Miller. But i still like the rankings b/c it gives you a base and then you can judge your own opinion.
Imagine how hard it was in the late 80’s or early 90’s, without film and the internet!
And consider this, imagine how hard it must be to rate hundreds of kids each year but we have some brave souls who try. And also think about the different strategies each use. Some may grade by offer list, college coach anaylisis, player’s size, stats, place they play, who they seen the most, players they just have a good vibe with, or they go with players who have been playing good over a period of time. I know for a fact that rivals writers base a lot of their rankings on how they like a guy personally. If you dont show up to all their camps and dont interview with them you’ll drop, i.e. Lamar Miller. But i still like the rankings b/c it gives you a base and then you can judge your own opinion.
The one beef I have with rivals is that they will downgrade a kid if he runs a bad 40 time, even if he is dominating in a place like dade county. If you tear up Miami or Atlanta, I don’t care what kind of 40 you run. It just means that you’re a football player not a track star. Competition level MATTERS. It matters in your football schedule, and it matters in evaluating prospects. If you play 10 or 11 bowl teams, the chance your starters get hurt is greater than if you play say, 5 bowl teams, because you have to leave your starters in longer because there are less blowouts.
We have to remember that coaches aren’t relying on ESPN.COM or Rivals.com (though Jeff Bowden did, apparently). They have private services who evaluate kids MONTHS before rivals or espn gets info on a kid. ESPN and Rivals are there to make money by drawing attention to their rankings.
Do you know what time the players get together to practice?
I’m taking summer classes and wouldn’t mind catching a session every now and again.
Hmmm
I got the text yesterday at 5:05, so I imagine they get out to the band field at 4:30ish? That’s a guess on my part.
Thanks, Renegade!!
2nd quarter… so I guess that means (based on FSU football last year) my offense is finally going to show up.
Oh if that were true.
It’s overtime, my friend, and the game ends at 30. Some of our offenses never quite got in gear. Happy birthday!
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You might be our first member from Missouri (though I have no way of searching the database, I do typically look at the new signups to prevent spammers).
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I do think the Big East has a massive collapse this year. Zero star power, and I think 6 ACC teams would be favored to win the Big East.
We need to do something to increase our following in the Southern Hemisphere.
It is drastically under-represented on those maps.
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