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To those who disagree with covering our opponents' transgressions...

Today on our official TomahawkNation.com FACEBOOK Page, someone had some negative feedback on our coverage of the legal troubles of our rivals, specifically the Florida Gators.  [He]

I don't think it's very classy to promote the bad news of other teams (even if it is the hated gaters). I was looking forward to some new, interesting commentary regarding FSU athletics, and unfortunately I haven't found it here.
Best Wishes.
For every person who is willing to speak out, there are ten of like mind, so here's my response...

 

Matt, as a new reader, I think you should be able to find plenty of interesting commentary here on the Noles.  Let me help you out.

You could start with our two part series on FSU's defense being woefully undersized (part one) and our analysis showing that they weren't that good last year (part two), despite what the facial numbers would indicate, particularly when you remove sacks from run defense, since they aren't running plays. Maybe you are interested in an article examining whether the 'Noles scheduling tactics produce too difficult a slate.  Did you miss our report that Quarterback E.J. Manuel is back at full strength?  How about our piece on FSU's renewed recruiting emphasis in South Georgia?  Maybe you enjoy learning how FSU has benefited and suffered from fumble luck, or even learning that fumble recovery is luck and not skill.  If you're a basketball fan, you should read TrueCubbie's latest piece on Toney Douglas' draft prospects.  Want to get ready for next year?  Peruse all the information we're collecting on next year's opponents, as we scout the 2009 football schedule!  How about a unique method of predicting FSU's season prospects?  Were you in Orlando for Jimbo Fisher's address to the boosters?  If not, check out a fine recap from some of the valued members of our community.  Just two weeks ago we broke down where 15 national media outlets would rank FSU to start the season.  Don't miss the Wednesday Open Recruiting Threads where we break down the 'Noles honest chances at top recruits without obnoxious teasers or the need to mislead our readers and sell subscriptions.  Want in-depth analysis on baseball?  We partnered with baseball experts who are routinely employed by major league baseball to break down Mike Martin's ill-advised fondness of the sacrifice bunt, and backed it up with situation specific data.  Do you have really high expectations for this year's FSU team?  Might want to consider what elite recruits are still here from the Nepotism Era (That's what we call the period when Bobby almost destroyed our program).  Maybe you could read our followup to the Daniel Hood saga, a story we broke almost a year ago and reported that FSU was backing off the recruitment of the convicted sex offender.  Oh wait, you don't want to read that. 

Why did I select those articles?  Because that's what we pumped out in May, to say nothing of finding only the best links to other quality content and extended daily discussion in our comment section that message board guys could only dream of.  And May might be our slowest month, as our four main writers tackled finals in Law, Medical school.  We were pretty busy and still cranked our more content than any other site covering the Noles.

We're bragging here, but what other outlet comes close to providing the kind of in-depth coverage you find at our site?  I enjoy and respect all the 'Nole sites, and every media outlet has their place, but what kind of content are you looking for?  Maybe some pay-site that has a 500 word game preview listing the keys as "limit turnovers" and "outscore the opponent" is more up your alley.

Additionally, much of the value on our site comes from the quality discussion had in the comment sections, which are well organized and conducive to extended thoughts on the articles.  Our unique, instantly updating software and tiered response interface allows our users to respond to each other in real time, in a clear manner, as opposed to a message board type format where you might need to scroll back three or four pages just to understand what some moron is referring to.  Can you imagine message board thread handling 700 comments like we routinely generate for a basketball game live-thread?  Neither can I.  I know the rivals system would crash if that was attempted.

So, dissatisfied reader, you can peruse our library of over 300 articles, or you could complain about one article you didn't enjoy.

I do appreciate the feedback, but we will not stop covering the transgressions of other teams. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any team and for whatever reason, UF's 24 arrests over four years under Urban Meyer don't get near the coverage that FSU's few have. If the media doesn't report it, recruits don't hear about the dark side of UF, and if they don't hear about the chink's in the Gator's armor , they'll believe whatever Urban Meyer tells them.

UF's first major crime wave happened in the mid 1980's, before the national media cared about college football, and long before the advent of the internet.  FSU's transgressions in the 90's came as the spotlight on college football was increasing, and thus FSU developed more of a bad boy image, ditto Miami. ... .

Largely because of that timing issue, UF lacks that lawless image and most are not reporting the criminal activities of the Gators.  Meyer is very media friendly and holds wide open practices.  The media access is nearly unlimited.  As such, the writers covering the team are very reluctant to criticize UF, for fear of being denied access to one of the top programs in the nation.

FSU on the other hand, like Alabama, stonewalls reporters.  It's part of the Parcells-Belichek-Saban-Fisher coaching tree. There's a tactical advantage in keeping football information in-house, but it also fosters a media bias by writers who are routinely denied access to even the most mundane of team functions.

Remember too that this is a rivalry.  A lot of 'Noles have to work with Gators who run their mouth all day. The next time one of them mentions the arrest of a Seminole wide receiver, that 'Nole will fire back with "24 arrests in 4 years", or "hey, I need an assault rifle, can you call one of your football players?"

And finally, there's not much going on right now with FSU. We're in a relative quiet period. The players are doing voluntary conditioning drills, and the coaches are evaluating recruits.  I guess we could an article discussing the team's offseason activities.  But instead, I'm going to give you an opportunity to do it.  Just fill in the blanks:

Today I spoke with FSU strength coach Todd Stroud.  [Need picture of coach in shorts and T-shirt here, people like pictures, because they have to read less].  The 'Noles began their off season program last week. 

Stroud said the training this year is far better than last year and that their preparation last year is [need  a phrase that means "a lot better"] than last year's.

Stroud was proud of the team, but stressed the need for continued [either improvement or dedication works here]

A few players really caught Stroud's eye.  One in particular was [superstar who everyone already knows about or a freshman who has no real shot to play this year].  Stoud said [remember to pick the same guy here to stay consistent] showed great [leadership if it's the superstar, determination if it's the young kid] out there and is really leading by example. 

Another Seminole who is really impressing is [superstar who everyone already knows about or freshman who has no real shot to play this year].  Stoud said [remember to pick the same guy here to stay consistent] showed great [leadership if it's the superstar, determination if it's the young kid] out there and will be counted on this year. 

[Skill position player] ran a [obviously fabricated 40-yard dash time] and looks really fast.

Stroud said a few kids are unable to participate in off-season drills due to lingering injury, including [whoever is still recovering from off-season surgery, so pick McMahon, Spurlock, or Watson], but that his rehab is going well.

 

But that's not our game.  We'll leave that to some other folks.

Best wishes,

Bud Elliott
Editor in Chief, TomahawkNation.com

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Roasted. This needed to be written.

by FSUSOM on Jun 1, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

That was fantastic. Well done!

by DOT COM on Jun 1, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep it coming!

Excellent work as usual. Bring the “Payne”! ( Had to throw that in there even if we miss out on him) LOL

Go Noles!!!

by nolefan07 on Jun 1, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think it’s very classy to promote the bad news of other teams (even if it is the hated gaters). I was looking forward to some new, interesting commentary regarding FSU athletics, and unfortunately I haven’t found it here.
Best Wishes,
Mr. Dinich

by The K-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

ROFL!!!!!!

HAHAHA! Nice!

Go Noles!!!

by nolefan07 on Jun 1, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Please only do this one time.

Do not apologize for the content on this site, it is by far the best Nole site I have had the privledge to read. I don’t think the above justification of your article was necessary. Don’t mean to sound like I am scolding the write-up, its just that once we go down this path, it lessens this site. Everyone who knows this site knows the even handed way you had out your information, period. And for the guy the bitched about it, best wishes to you on whatever site you choose. However, I tell every Nole fan I know about this site and have only heard rave reviews of it.

by diablonole on Jun 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

OWNED!!!

Bud gothellaswag!!! LOL…

What can you say, no-holds-barred analysis!!! If you can’t take the heat, get your arse outta the kitchen! Another great read, keep up the good work!

Don’t TASE him Bud!!!

by CSI Nole on Jun 1, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Has a nice touch of MattD to it...

I guess Steve Ellis and every “journalist” at WC have had their official
Offseason Weekday FSU Football Filler Template (OWFFFT) exposed.

BTW- did Coach Stroud say if [name-of-four-star-recruit-who-is-a-total-bust-but-I-was-like-so-stoked-when-he-signed-a-LOI-three-years-ago] was getting bigger and stronger? Cause, I would hate for him to be getting fatter and sloppier.

Nice piece Bud.

by coonhound on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The Stroud “interview” was priceless!! LOL Basically all you’d have to do is change the date and coach’s name to have basically every “off season workout” article of the past 8 years.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jun 1, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

No Holds Barred

I am afraid if we are to be consistent with such lofty analysis it will from time involve discussing our rivals.

I have long suspected we have a fifth column which whines about the display of gator transgressions. Let the chips fall where they may.

by DocHoliday2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

?

I have very little patience with anyone who has not noticed the glaring discrepancies when it comes to the University of Florida the last few years when their football team appears llke a chapter of Elliot Ness busting the Capone gang.

The main stream media is all too happy to shine the spotlight on FSU transgressions such as Parker falling asleep in the drive through lane yet not making an issue of absolute mayhem on the UF campus.

People that don’t notice this and still continue to try and highlight the happenings at FSU strike me as clueless or outright disinformation agents.

When the national media stresses insignificant happenings at FSU and buries stories of life threatening situations at UF and you don’t notice the difference makes me wonder about you.

Let us make it easy, 24 players arrested on Herban’s watch. Please elaborate on FSU problems during this four year period. Oh wait I can tell you now the silence will be deafening.

by DocHoliday2 on Jun 2, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

“UF’s 24 arrests over four years under Urban Meyer don’t get near the coverage that FSU’s few have.”

It seems that way to me too, but perhaps it’s because I’m an FSU fan. It would be interesting to see some actual research done into this. If it’s true that the media covers FSUs transgessions more often, what’s the reason? The conspiracy theory says UF has a journalism progam and FSU doesn’t. So, UF grads working in the media are brushing some of these negative UF stories under the rug while making a point to highlight the negative FSU stories.

I was surprised though, Goodman’s arrest didn’t make ESPNs front page, at least I didn’t see it. Is it all in our head?

by Jaguar on Jun 2, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Journalism school AND

FSU allows such little access that it’s not worth it to cater to their wants and needs. If you lose your UF access, you’re screwed because Meyer allows the media so much access.

“what are you going to do, ground me for life?”

by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo!

Journalism school, say what?

by DocHoliday2 on Jun 2, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Sayonara good luck in your search!

“I don’t think it’s very classy to promote the bad news of other teams (even if it is the hated gaters). I was looking forward to some new, interesting commentary regarding FSU athletics, and unfortunately I haven’t found it here.
Best Wishes.”

by DocHoliday2 on Jun 2, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Right On..

First time poster but loyal reader since the Weatherford Report. And trust me for someone in Utah that is starved for info on FSU, this is the best site, period. You do not have to apologize for anything. Besides Urbie and his crew should be held to the same standard by the media as any school, say FSU.

by UtahNole on Jun 2, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome, UtahNole

That’s a long time ago! I suspceted we had a few who still lurked. Glad you’re enjoying the site. Be sure to visit the “scouting our 2009 football opponents” page on the left. If you’ve got good BYU info, we for sure need it.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've waited for an opportunity for the "slow clap" on here...

CLAP CLAP……….CLap…….Clap…clap,clap,clap,clap

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 2, 2009 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

FSUn spanked him. He spanked him good.

Bud, I think this was probably just a gator who has been embarrassed for the 24th time in the past 4 years and just expressing his frustration that only now the media is starting to catch on to what most of us already know. Otherwise, if he was a regular reader, or even a occassional reader, he would not have made such stupid comments, and especially on Facebook of all places. Why didn’t he make his idiotic remarks here, where the members would have had a field day putting him in his place? Never mind I just answered my own question.

Could it be that the love affair between the media and the Tebow gators is coming to a end? Oh God I hope so. Even the homer Jeremy Fowler, who writes the gator blog, appears to have accepted this fact, and has let the “non-chosen ones” have their say on his site. Sure there are the typical obnoxious comments, just as there are on the FSU boards when a Nole has a indiscretion. What I find simply amazing is the denial these jort wearers are in, and how they even go over each arrest and minimize and dismiss them by justifying them as charges dropped or reduced, or that these are just kids doing what kids do. TOO FUNNY.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/2009/06/breaking-gators-cb-janoris-jenkins-arrested-tasered-over-fight.html

BTW, I too would like to get my hands on a AK, anyone know any gator players?
ROFLMFAO!

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jun 2, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

The dissenter...

Is a Nole and certainly not a gator fan. It’s odd that an anti-TN troll would use Facebook to denigrate this wonderful website. If you’re gonna talk smack (baseless smack, especially), it’s better to use these anonymous forums like Tomahawk Nation and Warchant instead of Facebook where your name is clearly stated. Now if you’ll excuse me, The K-Man needs to make mom her microwavable lunch before my next game of online Magic cards. Go Noles!!!!

by The K-Man on Jun 2, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Making a response on facebook? Seems a little disingenuous to act like a reader, and not post on the actual site if you have a problem.

Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!

by Nole-ando on Jun 2, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read the Facebook comments because I am not cool enough to have a need for it, so I assumed he was a gator troll.

The fact that he is a Nole, a ignorant one at that, makes it even worse. I would understand it better if it was coming from a troll. As I stated and you reiterated, the fact that he posted his uninformed lunacy on Facebook makes him even a bigger dip in my book. Grow some cojones and be a man if you got something to say, unless you prefer to remain the whiny little bee-atch that you appear to be. (With all due respect and no disrespect intended, of course).

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jun 2, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree.

When FSUn put up the original post here, I was the first reply, and I voiced my uneasiness with that HERE on the TN. Putting it on Facebook was a punk thing to do. Good thing FSUn flipped it…

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Jun 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And let me be clear

I do appreciate the feedback. What I didn’t appreciate from that guy was lumping all of our stories into the same category. I do want everyone to speak their mind.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wasted that much breath responding to one dissenting comment?

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Jun 2, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I wasn't going to, but then

I realized I could use it to promote the site by showing casual or new readers some pieces they might have missed, and also taking another opportunity to slam UF. Recruits read our site and follow us on facebook, so any time I can sneak in an underhanded shot at a competitor, I will. Negative recruiting works really well to an extent, and our coaches do not really engage in the practice, to their credit. UF’s absolutely do.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol… underhanded is not quite what I would go with… but all the same I see both side of the argument. Sometimes you have just to take the piss out of the rivals. :)

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Jun 2, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you've got the open shot, take it.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jun 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some would argue

that you waste a lot of breath appealing to the one fan of softb… nevermind.

Just teasing CC…. Go Lady Noles!

by coonhound on Jun 2, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol coon… there are at least 5.. I can prove it in the comments section. Besides, if I don’t cover them, nobody will. When I started throwing softball some love, they were never on the local news or in the Democrat. 5 years later, we actually get a tiny bit of coverage of them now.

Mission accomplished, whether I actually had anything to do with it or not. :)

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Jun 2, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL…. that was a horribly boneheaded play last night. The CF crashed in to make the initial throw to the plate, didn’t get back, and RF was stuck kinda sorta backing up 1B at that point. The WORST thing she could have done was chuck that into CF like she did.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Jun 2, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sooo...were you being sarcastic?

LMFAO….well done!

Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!

by Nole-ando on Jun 2, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Greene of the Orlando Sentinel

FYI….

Listening to one of the sports radio shows down here right now. He’s a guest today (in place of a traveling Bianchi) and they were talking about the arrest. Then they went into the lack of coverage of the UF arrests (it’s something like 24 right?) and compared it to UM and FSU. Greene doesn’t like it either. He said he thought it was because of the acces and they don’t want to lose it. He finished by saying that if the reporter is threatened with it, they should say “I don’t care, answer the question.”

Surprising to hear that right after reading this, especially from a Sentinel guy. Just throwing it out there.

Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!

by Nole-ando on Jun 2, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, tomorrow Jerry will be writing his last column to announce his "retirement"

Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!

by Nole-ando on Jun 2, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's exactly right.

USC is the same way. When you have a lot, you’re more afraid of losing what you have.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

BAM!

Slam Dunk!

Man, I do NOT miss Warchant.

by Fire Machine on Jun 2, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, welcome aboard!

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 2, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I wasn’t going to, but then
I realized I could use it to promote the site by showing casual or new readers some pieces they might have missed, and also taking another opportunity to slam UF. Recruits read our site and follow us on facebook, so any time I can sneak in an underhanded shot at a competitor, I will. Negative recruiting works really well to an extent, and our coaches do not really engage in the practice, to their credit. UF’s absolutely do”

That is pretty much the way I feel about it. The coaches don’t say much but I am always happy to help with the job. Somebody has to do it.

by DocHoliday2 on Jun 2, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Your template for summer (non)stories

about [superstar who everyone already knows about or a freshman who has no real shot to play this year]—

QUALITY!

Incredible that people actually pay money to lap up that pablum.

by FiestaNole on Jun 3, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

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