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Monday Morning Tomahawks 06.15.09

Let's start with the Jacobbi McDaniel saga.  He didn't have an offer from the Brewers.  He did tell people he was offered 800K.  We told you from the moment that story broke that Jacobbi could not have an offer that size.  After some digging, Andrew Carter got with some people from the Brewers and they refuted McDaniel's claim.  So why did McDaniel say those things?  Was he coerced into helping a site that promoted him heavily, after that site was embarrassed for publishing a subscription baiting headline back in April?  Maybe McDaniel wanted the spotlight and didn't realize how ridiculous his claim was.  Could he have been tricked my someone calling him proclaiming to be from the Brewers? I'm inclined to believe that there was some shady stuff going on, possibly motivated by some news outlets who are losing subscribers in record numbers.  Andrew Carter has more. Brewers scout: We haven't offered Jacobbi McDaniel a contract -- OrlandoSentinel.com  "An area scouting supervisor for the Milwaukee Brewers told the Orlando Sentinel today that the team has not offered a professional baseball contract to Jacobbi McDaniel, the Madison County High football standout who is considered one of the best players in Florida State 's incoming recruiting class."  McDaniel was never a serious baseball prospect and will play Football for FSU this fall.  He will wear #99.  

Many preseason magazines predict success for FSU Tallahassee Democrat  A look at the preseason rankings for the 'Noles.  Meanwhile, Are FSU Football Preseason Accolades Deserved? · ScalpEm.com  Scalpem thinks maybe they are not.  I take issue with some of the stuff there, mainly that FSU was 5-3 in a much improved 2008 ACC, after going 4-4 in a weak 2007 ACC.  FSU definitely improved in 2008, 1-AA wins or not.

Updated Eligibility Chart - Tomahawk Nation  FSU will have 77 scholarship players this fall, meaning the 'Noles can take a full recruiting class this year, despite NCAA sanctions.

Counting down the ACC's top 30 players: No. 22 Christian Ponder

soflafootball.com reports on Corey Lemonier:  "We are planning, with the Miramar coaches, to go to every Florida school this summer," explained Lemonier. "This year I went to every Florida school but Florida State, but this summer I’m going to go visit Florida State." 

Inside:  information on our opponents!

Star-divide

 

Blogsburg, VA: September to remember- the Miami Hurricanes come to town!
An interesting look at Miami, and some equally fine points in the extended comment section.

 

SportingNews.com - just dumps on Boston College.
2. Boston College,minus-5 wins

2008 record: 9-5 2009 projection: 4-8

Here's why: The Eagles haven't caught a break since 2008. Their coach got canned in a tiff with the athletic director. Their assumed quarterback got suspended, then transferred. Their top two defensive linemen from 2008 were high draft picks. Their best linebacker, maybe the country's best linebacker, is fighting cancer. A first-to-worst fall is in play for BC, which takes its new personnel to Clemson, Virginia Tech and Notre Dame -- all before Halloween. Central Michigan's visit following that gauntlet looms as dangerous, too.

Matt Hayes' five biggest declines:

1. Boston College, minus-5 wins

2008 record: 9-5 2009 projection: 4-8

Here's why: Where do we begin? How about the quarterback spot, where the Eagles lost a fifth-year starter to graduation and projected starter Dominique Davis -- who started three games last year -- is transferring after being suspended for academic problems. That likely leaves redshirt freshman Justin Tuggle to quarterback the team with a new, first-time coach and two new coordinators. And for added difficulty: Tuggle isn't a pure pro-style passer. The offense likely will have to be changed to work with his dual-threat abilities. There are holes on defense that will be exposed when the offense can't move the ball consistently. New coach Frank Spaziani's job was hard enough, considering the circumstances of replacing a fired coach who led the team to back-to-back appearances in the ACC championship game. The tenuous situation at quarterback could make it untenable.

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Explain scholarships to me...

The max amount a team can give out is 25 a year? Some schools will take 30 knowing that some will have to go to JUCO. What if you have less athletes than the 85 max, can you take an additional over the 25 to make up the difference?

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 15, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The max amount a team can give out is 25 a year? Some schools will take 30 knowing that some will have to go to JUCO.

What if you have less athletes than the 85 max, can you take an additional over the 25 to make up the difference?

Only 25 can enter per class. So, if we take 28, 3 would have to be counted in the 2009 class (back counting them if they could enroll early).

Each signing class can have max 25 scholarships.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win ten, get Lemonier.

Miami starts 0—4, our chances go up.

It would be a huge pull as Lemonier is an elite prospect.

by FSUSOM on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s silent to Miami right now. If someone wants him badly enough, they will have to work hard to turn him.

by gahnki on Jun 15, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. Is he impressive?

by gahnki on Jun 15, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just wondering, worldofx had him on his 2011 watch list with this to say:

Jazz Moss (WR)
5’9" / 160 pounds / Dillard High School / Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
- Sudden athlete with unusual COD skills and one cut accleration, also fits a spead offense in a lot of places.

by FSUSOM on Jun 15, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jazz Moss is in the class of 2010

Heard the kid can play….played WR/DB last year from what I hear. Nonetheless, he’ll be a senior next year.

by creeper07 on Jun 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is what we were hinting at back in February:
Wetherell, 63, was treated for prostate cancer in recent years, but has received a clean bill of healthy from doctors at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 15, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I hope all the best for him and his family.

Any clue as to who may be the successor? You said you hinted at his health back in Feb, so I don’t know if you saw this coming or not.

by basbalstr101 on Jun 15, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Start rolling out the red carpet

and building the statu…. oh wait, we already built them…

Oh well, start rolling out the red carpet because it’s probably Bobby’s last year in light of TK’s retirement! :)

What a glorious day.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 15, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby will be here next year. There will be no big coaching changes.

by Jaguar on Jun 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, anxiously awaiting where that divination came from

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 16, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have ESP.

There’s no arguing that. I was thinking of the importance of TK on FSU in all aspects. I believe that football records can influence the talent of incoming freshman and transfer students. Because of smarter students, more money will be put back in endowments. UF got twice as much endowments as us last year. Didn’t FSU once rank as a top 60 school in the nation. Now we’re 102nd. Hopefully these budgets cuts can help us cut the fat and move up some more.

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 15, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would expect that a new president, preferably one w/ no ties to FSU, will put a merciful end to the BB saga. One can only hope.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

We can only hope, but...

I’m pessimistic.

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I have my tinfoil hat on too tight

But say there was something shady that happened between McDaniel and Warchant. Would that in any way affect his eligibility or cause some suspicion from the NCAA?

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by Jonathan Loesche on Jun 15, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Theoretically? Yes. But good luck trying to prove something like that.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

So we hope WC doesn’t leave a paper trail then ;)

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by Jonathan Loesche on Jun 15, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's amazing over there.

Now they have a blog up blaming the subscribers of WC for the McDaniel debacle and the resulting outrage. It really says something when a legitimate news outlet < cough > horse**** < cough > will go to the extraordinary measures they do to protect an 80-year-old man but will then turn around and exploit an 18-year-old kid who doesn’t even have the guidance of a college coach yet. No wonder Jimbo won’t turn our incoming freshmen loose to these predators anymore. (And yes, that might be amping the hyperbole just a tad, but how do you think McDaniel’s feeling about these guys right about now?) Not only will this further the fire sale of WC subscriptions by the readers with half a brain cell (admittedly < 5%), but don’t be surprised to see further repercussions from FSU as well. C’mon Jimbo, cut into the Warchant TV feed! Hook up a never-ending looping of Lee Gorden interviewing himself in the mirror with a hairbrush.

by TRMNole on Jun 15, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick update:

Apparently, McDaniel has nixed his June 19 deadline to decide (not a joke – WC was to have his exclusive announcement the day before the team reported) and just announced exclusively to Warchant.com (I promise that none of this is a joke) that he’s decided to play for FSU. The blog and all discussion threads related to the entire McDaniel debacle have been taken down.

by TRMNole on Jun 15, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn.

There goes the exclusive Warchant TV feature where Jacobbi is sitting in front of a table with a Brewer’s Hat, an FSU football helmet, and a bowl full of mercury.

by The K-Man on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Responses to the "news" from a popular messageboard:

“Yeeeessssssss!!!”

“Done deal…Everyone step back from the ledge…”

“Finally, now we can put this entire fiasco behind us. Everything is fine now guys, no need to argue any further. Time for us all to make-up….”

“(Wiping sweat off brow) Feeew! That was close.”

“What an absolutely standup kid. Jacobbi is all that is right about college kids playing sports.”

“that’s whats up” [followed by a smiley-face firing a machine gun]

by TRMNole on Jun 15, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feeew! That was close.

“Now when can I take that darned duct tape off my windders? That Terror Alert’s been orange for a goodly long while!”

by The K-Man on Jun 15, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that's rich

They are actually blaming their own readers??

Please don’t make me laugh anymore, I had my wisdom teeth taken out Friday…

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup, absolutely.

That’s not the anesthesia you’re still feeling, that’s WC smacking you square in the brain.

by TRMNole on Jun 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hate

I like the site here. The analysis is fantastic, and I find it as another place for me to get nole news and further insight. I do not understand the hate that is on here regarding WC though. I like warchant too. I do enjoy the player interviews, and the coach interviews, and the videos etc, I also like the recruiting videos that I can view etc. I don’t troll the message boards as it usually is a bunch of garbage. These are services that you do not offer. It just seems kind of bush league to constantly bash another nole site. Your product is superior in some aspects, and you should not waste time bashing another site, spend it on more in depth articles like the DT feature today. That will build your readership, not bashing another site. Just another opinion though.

by nole65 on Jun 15, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I am offended

That everyone is offended.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree

I am a member at Warchant. I read here. This site does football analysis, Warchant is more of a local television reporting site. Regardless there are things to like about their access. I am not a fan of the WC bashing. Just my two cents.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's another thing that makes this site so great

We are free to bash whatever we want (as long as its not each other)

That is something Warchant will not tolerate and a big reason I think they take shots from most of the die hards from here.

You have to remember, some of our readers were banned from places like WC for simply speaking their minds. I can see where the hostility comes from, can’t you? I’m not a subscriber there at all, but on occassion I have gone over there and seen some pretty ridiculous headlines.

It’s one thing to be creative with your headlines to sell subscriptions, its totally another to actually fabricate stories in order to sell subscriptions.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 15, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was once banned....

….in a thread where the OP got many dissenting opinions and posted his phone number for one of the dissenters to call. The dissenter made the call and transcribed the phone conversation into the thread. OP basically said, “you wouldn’t disagree with me like that to my face” and made threats of physical violence during home games, suggesting a place to meet up and fight.
Neither of them got reprimanded and the thread spiraled out of control. I was banned for commenting how ridiculous the discourse had become, which prompted the moderator to ban for “telling him how to do his job”. It was nuts. I’ve also been threatened with violence by someone who didn’t like the fact that I stand during many parts of games. Dude was talking about punching me in the face in multiple unrelated threads. That’s OK, I guess.
Now these are isolated incidents, but just an example of the diluted level of discourse on that other site. You can threaten people with violence, but don’t dare talk up E.J. Manuel or question Bobby’s legacy.

Nole65, please don’t get me wrong. I love WC in a twisted, Tawny Kitaen type of torrid love affair. I check it all day, every day. The videos and interviews are manna to me. I can’t get enough. I always say “hi” and chat with the guys who run the site when I see them. But I’m not “bashing”. The term “bashing” is overused just like “swagger”. If my little brother had a problem with picking his nose, I’d make it an issue. That doesn’t mean I’m “bashing” him, I’m criticizing like a good brother should.
There’s some things about WC that are just hilarious and have no remedy.
Like when a recruit signs his LOI and a thread explodes into 5 pages, with 92% of the posts saying, “Welcome aboard”. I think it’s hilarious.
Like when it’s announced that a member of the coaching staff is participating in a Booster event and inevitably somebody writes, “He should be worried about our opponents and not about giving a stupid speech in Jacksonville”. Hilarious.
And their teaser titles are hilarious. WC staff would agree on most of these points.

I hope I don’t come across as bashing, we’re just having a good time on this site. My blood doesn’t boil on TN……yet.

by The K-Man on Jun 15, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it is appreciated.

I try to avoid making the stories about them. If our guys want to engage in some ribbing in the comment section, I’ll avoid it.

It does annoy me when they make stories out of obvious non-issues. If we don’t address those bogus reports, the comment sections to other stories get flooded with questions about the crazy reports, and the issues we want to cover never get addressed. A story like this one will dominate the FSU-centric news until it is resolved. Additionally, we have quality reporters like Andrew Carter who are scratching and clawing to make a living covering the Noles, who do not bait stories. When Andrew puts in the time to cover a story and debunk it, I’ll promote that.

I too get annoyed with some of the anti-subscription slant.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're all 'Noles after all....the guy you Hi-5 on Labor Day after Ponder goes deep

to Reed for a TD might be……(gulp) a member of WC.

I don’t subsribe, and don’t feel the need to with this Great Site. I don’t really like the baiting though.

check back next week for my fan shot post filled with galleries of Tomahawk Nation poolside babes, or Rodeo Girls HaHa.

by jasonole59 on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stopped lurking over on the WC

I’m proud to report that TN cured me of that addiction. I read the message boards for 90% entertainment purposes and about 10% informational purposes. I never registered or signed up b/c I’m cheap and I refuse to pay for information that a) if it’s important will probably be available in 24 hours anyway, b) if it’s not important, I don’t need to waste my time anyway.

After lurking on this site for a couple months, I realized that this is more my style and contains all the information I would need or find on WC anyway. As for entertainment, well there’s plenty of that too. The difference is I’m not laughing at the stupidity of comments, but rather the brilliance. Plus, for the most part, you don’t have to deal with the annoyance of 2 pages of dick measuring in the middle of a decent topic on TN.

by FSUjab on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

In today's day and age of media involvement

do players/clubs/people not understand that eventually they will be found out? Just like that dude who said UCLA gave him a scholarship when he wasnt even fit for JUCO ball.

by Buc Wild on Jun 15, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

bashing...

I had a long post typed out and deleted it. Bash away nattylite, i just will read the articles here. Thanks.

by nole65 on Jun 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the approval! :)

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Up next on today's issue of "Bashing: Nattylite Style"

We will be taking some needless jabs at the old man himself, the one and only, the living legend… dadgum.. what’s his name?

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 15, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Majority of Folks commenting

have never been subscribers there. Comments like I am too cheap, or I don’t need to pay for things I can get 24 hours later…etc etc. IF you don’t want to subscribe its cool. My comments were directed at site admins. It is bush league to compare yourself to someone if you have such a high regard of your own content. Thread posts like keep your 9.95, warchant reports are highly biased, no shirtless photos here reaks of extreme jealousy. Jealous of the membership base they have? I guess I would be too. Like I said it isn’t necessary. This site doesn’t need to stoop to trash talking the competition. It is good on its own two legs. It has quality content. Build on that. Spread the word to your friends that there is some great analysis on tomahawk nation, like I have. Anyways, that’s all I have. As I originally posted, it was just another opinion.

by nole65 on Jun 15, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Slow news period, my friend.

We’re in the doldrums of the football cycle right now. Little recruiting, season a few months away, only voluntary workouts. Please excuse the “9.95” fanpost, but that was in response to something on the other site that was ALSO a result of the doldrums. It’s a long, boring road trip and there’s some ear flicking going on in the back seat during the peak of boredom.
I imagine these posts in question will be buried under mounds of content during the actual season, so don’t sweat it.
I wouldn’t say that jealousy enters the equation. That site is the unquestioned benchmark of FSU sports websites and has tenure. TN has been around for what, a year? I hope the membership one day reaches that of WC, but hopefully not with an inverse relationship of members to intelligent conversation.
And when I spread word of mouth to my friends, how do you imagine I phrase it? “It’s an FSU site like Warchant, but……” And believe me, they inherently want to know the differences. They griped about WC long before TN, and they loved aspects of WC and still do.

by The K-Man on Jun 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

with you K-man. thanks for your replies. As i said in the comment section I dont give a flip about comments and the interesting stories about wrong doings by or on warchant, but as part of the main source of information it does come off like that. The first article you want a friend to read is the in depth analysis of the DL position and how twists work and how our formation stacks up etc etc.. Not keep your 9.95. shirless pics blah blah. lol. anyways. as i said It was my opinion and I guess I should have sent it directly to admin, but couldn’t figure out how to do that. I just signed up today. Go Noles!

by nole65 on Jun 15, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read you loud and clear.

It would be unfortunate for a potential new member to place too much emphasis on that type of article when seeing TN for the first time. I hope that doesn’t ever happen, because the front page is teeming with robust articles about in-depth and gawdawfully interesting topics for the hardcore fan. The one in question is buried in a pile of goodies.
Thanks for signing up. What part of the land are you “reppin’”?

by The K-Man on Jun 15, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the humor...

I find some of the “bashing” to be quite hilarious. Especially when TN calls BS on a story based on experience and logic. I don’t care if it is a story from WC (which I look at the frontpage of about every week, but have never subscribed to), USA Today, or the Zimbabwe Times and Constitution.

Maybe I just have an overactive sense of humor though…

by PBD on Jun 15, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gothellaswag bro!

Excellent post and my thoughts exactly.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 16, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry....

… but when I experience — first-hand — outright dishonesty and was smeared for no reason by the operator of that site, then that site forfeits its right to be protected from “bashing” or whatever you want to call it.

Plus – and this is a matter of fact not conjecture or personal attack — that site simply and plainly discourages open discourse. You criticize something a site author wrote and they will eventually find a way to ban you.

This site is about open discourse. To not make that contrast between the two sites is to swallow the truth, which I don’t do.

Jealous of Warchant? How can you be jealous of something you don’t respect?

MOST IMPORTANT POINT: The incessant cheerleading at Warchant over the years has contributed to the solidifying of our current football regime. A development that has set the program back 10 years.

Anyway, spare me the pontificating on “negative attacks.” When an organization operates without integrity, attacks are to be expected.

by Fsued on Jun 15, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

FSUed

As clear as I have tried to be, my posts have been geared towards the site admin. Littering the front page with negative content towards a competitor is weak, it shows jealousy, it shows a lack of confidence in your own product. It’s business 101. Take a course. Tomahawk nation does not need to do these things because in some ways it is far superior than its competition. I feel like I have said this before… Pretty Dejavu typing it all over again. You can sit in here an pound your chest and bitch about how you were wronged on the comments all you want. I don’t care. I skip over these posts usually, but felt I needed to follow up since you directed your comments towards me, when none of mine are really directed towards you or other posters. I do enjoy the ability to speak freely here. It is refreshing. But again, this is just my opinion.

by nole65 on Jun 15, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to jump into this debate with my unsolicited observations.

nole65, you say your comments are geared toward the site admin. From my experience, the only criticizing/bashing (tomato/tomatoe) that I really notice here are from the readers, little if any from the moderators unless they are replying to a comment. When a reader leaves a comment or fanpost critical of the pay sites (e.g. 9.95, which I happened to think was clever and humorous) the moderators may post their thoughts or comments. However, in my short time reading TN (5-6 months), I do not ever recall the “front page littered with negative content towards a competitor.” Maybe you got a little carried away with your wording in the heat of the battle, but if this is what you really meant, I think you are dead wrong, and you should be forever banned (joke).

 The McDaniel fiasco was mentioned by the moderator, I believe, because of the ludicrous nature of the offer in question, and the fact that the only real journalist that actually talked with Jacobbi and a Brewer scout (AC), reported what he was told first hand in a article and in his blog, and this proved to be exactly what was actually going on. Where, when, and how the other sites came up with their information for their teasing headlines, I guess will be forever a mystery. Then their audacity to blame their subscribers for the ensuing mayhem, is almost like yelling fire in a crowded theatre and then blaming the patrons for panicking and for trampling each other.

You have the right to spend your money anyway you want, as do the rest of us. You have decided that the monthly subscription you pay for is worth the entertainment value you are receiving. Good for you, that is great, and I don’t think anyone has objected to that or been critical of your decision. You also expressed the enjoyment you receive from being able to speak freely here. While many of the readers here have disagreed with you, you have not been banned for speaking your mind, which is why the pay site detractors here have a problem with them.

But this is just my opinion, which nobody asked for, and probably no one cares about, but I know I am able to express it here without fear of any retribution/ridicule/ban.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jun 15, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So maybe

I have been seeing it mentioned much more frequently than it even needs to be as of late. just in the last five days when this whole mcdaniel situation blew up, it has littered it, and it is constantly mentioned in articles. Who gives a flip about warchant here? Why do we care? Why are we still talking about it? Because everyone here has some hate for warchant and continues to respond to my critiques that should have been sent to the admin. It is hilarious to me. But again as I have said previously it is just my opinion. This website is good enough to stand alone without even mentioning another website. But I guess I stand alone in that. Sorry to ruffle feathers.

by nole65 on Jun 15, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow nole65, you sure have been verbose on this subject for an average Nole fan with no agenda, link, or connections to Warchant.com.

Why again do you care? And you ask why we care? Fsued couldn’t have explained it more clearly: “The incessant cheerleading at Warchant [while all other voices are silenced] over the years has contributed to the solidifying of our current football regime. A development that has set the program back 10 years.”

That said, however, I can only answer the question for myself. I hate (did I say hate? – yup) Warchant.com because a man who thinks it’s cool in 2009 to refer to himself with a nickname derived from the decades-old suffix for internet domains is running a scam that advertises content that’s exclusive to his website. There was a time when that was at least partially true. Today it is a farce. Don’t believe me? Take the completely unauthorized TRM Tomahawk Nation Two-Week “I am a Tomahawk Nation Warrior!” Challenge™. (Not legal in all states – banned on Indian reservations and at www.warchant.com.) It’s simple: I know your routine. You log on to your computer. You check Warchant. Then you check TN. The Challenge is to simply reverse your process. After you log on to your computer, first check TN. Then check WC. If in two weeks, you find any need to continue wasting your time and money at WC, then go for it, man. And no, you don’t have to tell me what you decide. But you can thank me if you want.

And for the record, I’m not aware that any of the good people at TN see themselves “competing” with WC. If they just happen to be a lot better than WC at providing honest FSU insight, real college football analysis, and allowing straight Nole talk without censorship on its messageboards, well then I see no reason they can’t be just a little bit proud about that, if they are. That they do it in their free time without committing fraud, to me, is a plus.

You won’t miss the player interviews. You’ll learn to assume that Christian Ponder is taking the role of Jimbo Fisher at summer practices. (You’ll become a serious football fan.) You’ll trade in coach speak for straight talk, and even if you want all the fluff, that’s fine – the good folks at TN will link you to every free (relevant) interview in the Nole sphere, and you’ll even get the best recruiting news in the biz without the BS that Rivals gives you. You may even learn to laugh once in a while. You can do that here.

If you haven’t figured it out yet, we’re trying to help Nole fans. Not hate.

by TRMNole on Jun 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Post of the year!

Censored, we need this pinned somewhere.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 17, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gothellaswag (x2)

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 16, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

WC

Warchant does not litter the front page around here, in fact it is rarely mentioned. I for one enjoy the Orwellian tales of posters concerning their victimization at warchant. WC will ban in a minute for any criticism of BB. You must also spell gators correctly! LOL

I have have never subscribed there so I don’t know what their premium info is like but the free board is virtually useless. I find it strange you barely discuss FSU football on it. You can’t say anything negative about BB but you can trash the FSU program top to bottom and that seems fine. You can’t do that on gator boards I might add which gives me the impression that Rivals itself has a lot of eggs in the gator camp.

by DocHoliday2 on Jun 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn computer crashed.

I had written something lengthy that switches gears back to football. I’ll try to recover it mentally.
Zach_Nole mentioned last week that BC could be a potential “trap game”. It’s our 5th game in 27 days. We’ll have flown out to Utah, back home, and then up to Boston. The following weekend is against GTech, so our minds could wander. I don’t care if they’re supposed to suck this year, we can’t overlook them.
Our schedule isn’t difficult because of a smattering of elite opponents, it’s the most difficult because it’s so spread out and we could fall into a booby trap any given weekend. All of our opponents have a chance to strike if we slip up for any moment.

by The K-Man on Jun 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

"Booby trap"

Lol. That’s priceless.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jun 16, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

As the author of both the stories that got nole65's panties in a wad, I will explain myself.

Offbeat Friday has been one of the things I’ve done since I started writing for the site. You’ve been around a while, you know that. Those stories are nothing more than an attempt at humor to lighten the mood as we get ready for the weekend.

In each, it has been my goal to make fun of some of the absurdity of Seminole Nation. I try to find the little stupid inside jokes that only a Nole fan would understand. Part of that absurdity comes from the ridiculousness of our linebacker coach. Sometimes it’s the interesting relationship between our former President and Athletic Director. This time it happened to be the fact that some websites feel like they can make you pay for rehashed information and anyone who doesn’t pay isn’t a true fan.

I am not the first to make the jokes that were found in that Friday column, and I won’t be the last. My goal was to gather us together to make fun of something ridiculous, I am pretty happy with the result.

“Keep your $9.95” was a headline in direct response to the joke headlines coming out of ALL of the paysites last week. Hey guess what? Andrew Carter actually did some REAL reporting, found out the truth, and reported it. And it was all for free. So you could “Keep your $9.95.”

I believe all of the Nole websites play an important role in the discussion, and each has its own place. Shocker… I read Warchant all the time. But good grief, the attitude of some of its directors and internet fanboys is too hilarious notto lampoon.

by MattDNole on Jun 15, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

And if you want to talk about jealousy...

When Warchant has a good article, we link it or at least mention so you can go read it.

Try doing the same for us on one of their message boards.

by MattDNole on Jun 15, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true.

We have linked several of their articles.

The Zebrie Sanders interview shows that he has an incredibly deep voice.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 15, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I watched the Sanders interview, and he does have a hell of a voice.

by fsunole23 on Jun 15, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL @ Warchant

“DO NOT EVER challenge a mods decsion within a post or by starting a new thread to address their decision.”

Ok Tommy…you tool.

by DOT COM on Jun 16, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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