WR Primer: Get to know your Corps.
I am relatively new to Tomahawk Nation, but certainly not new to Florida State football. With all of the genuinely good analysis of the offensive line and defensive line going on around here I wanted to talk about a glory position. There is no other position that evokes such prima donna behavior and scout conjecture as the wide receiver position. There is something about Peter Warrick juking somebody out of their shoes, or Randy Moss running like a gazelle that is gorgeous to watch. However, lately WR has become a hot button position at Florida State both because of on the field production and off the field problems. So where are we at today compared to where we were last year? What do the receivers we have do well, and where do they fall short?
Departed:
Greg Carr- Everyone knows Greg Carr because he flew on to the scene as a lanky 6’6’’ freshman who caught jump balls all over the place when that was really all our offense consisted of*. He caught 9 TD that season, then went on to have 9 more total the other three years. He sort of reinvented himself as a possession receiver who was more reliable as a senior. We’ll get to this later, but at the end of the season I was not upset to see him leave.
*Hyperbole, sort of.
Corey Surrency- One of the reasons Greg Carr became less of a down the field outside threat was because a lot of these balls were intended for Corey Surrency, our transfer from El Camino Community College. Truly athletically gifted (we called him Predator because of his aggressive approach and long dreadlocks). Corey doesn’t run good routes or create a great deal of separation; however he can leap over almost anyone. He isn't gifted with good hands at all. I expected that another off-season with a D1 coaching staff, and more practice with Ponder would smooth some of these problems, I was truly excited to see him lineup this year. He was not granted an extra year because of playing semi-professional football while trying to get his life together. The NCAA is awesome.
Preston Parker- Most of you know Preston Parker. He carried this offense on his shoulders two years ago. He is an exciting playmaker who gets open well, can be used in multiple sets and at multiple positions. He had a down year comparatively last year, although he showed flashes of his pre-haircut* self. He was arrested again because he was drunk and high while driving through the McDonalds on Tennessee St. and fell asleep in the drive-thru. He was dismissed from the team afterwards. This was a big blow to the team obviously.
*arrest
So coming out of the 2008 season we expected Surrency and Parker to be a big part of our team. Which creates problems all over the place; and we have seen this is not the only turmoil coach Dawsey’s group has gone through.
Returning:
Bert Reed: Let’s get this one out of the way. Bert stepped in and played slot receiver last year as a RS Freshman and played very well. He has elite speed, he cuts well and has good vision with the ball in his hands. There is a lot to be excited about with Bert Reed. However because of the departure of Parker and Surrency he will be asked to play a more traditional WR role on the outside, a role he is embracing but may not fit his 5-11* frame.
In the realm of our WR corps he is the absolute least of our worries.
*maybe
Taiwan Easterling: Taiwan has a similar frame to Reed, but is not the same receiver in the least. Taiwan doesn’t have Reed’s top end speed but has elite quickness, and most of all elite elusiveness*. If there is every any reason to doubt Rival’s ratings it is that he was thought of so much less than Reed. He was our best receiver last year on tape (please do not tell me other people had more yards) and looked to be a budding star. Much like Reed he doesn’t really convert to the outside but his skill set fits so perfect into what we ask our slot receivers to do it is truly a perfect fit. He tore his Achilles tendon after the season. We are not sure when he will be able to return to play as Achilles are tricky injuries, but he is progressing ahead of original schedule. The problem is his two biggest skills, his elusiveness and quickness are hurt the most.
* I don’t remember the first guy tackling him at all last season.
Jarmon Fortson- Fortson is a scout’s dream. 6’3’’ 220 and solid. He runs good routes and is more than athletic enough to play on this level. He evokes the name of some of the game’s best when you talk to people who have seen him play because he is aggressive and will go over the middle. I have high hopes for him, but he still will have to prove it because he is young and doesn’t have much experience with just 8 receptions.
Richard Goodman- Missed all of 2008 after a middling career before a promising beginning to 2007 that ended in a broken leg. He is suspended indefinitely because of a fight in the union, and will absolutely have to miss the first 3 games due to the academic scandal. He has a promising body and good hands, but who knows when and how much he will see the field.
Rod Owens- Owens is a very fast player, however I have yet to see any WR dependent skills that truly set him apart at the D1 level. His athleticism and separation leave a lot to be desired and I honestly think he is just a “guy” as scouts would say. Good enough to play football in college, not good enough to stand out.
Avis Commack- Avis is underrated in some ways, but not in others if that makes sense. He was a 3star recruit coming out of high school (so was Rodney Hudson). But what that doesn’t tell you is that he has one truly elite tool, which is what Owens lacks to help create buzz around him. Avis has amazing body control when he is in the air and when cutting. This means that he doesn’t have to be the fastest guy on the field because he will make tough catches and get out of his breaks extremely quick. It is good that he possesses those skills because he is not the fastest guy but at 6’4’’ I think he can turn into an excellent receiver.
Louis Givens: Another small WR, only 5 8’’ with elite speed. He saved the Miami game on special teams. He has serious issues with his hands. He should be given a scholarship. I don’t ever see him as more than a 5th receiver/ Special Teams guy on this level.
Cameron Wade- Supposedly working well in off-season. Huge target at 6’6’’, rumors are he may be lost to attrition before making wake on the field.
Josh Gehres- Saw a lot of him when I worked at Lincoln. Not a gifted athlete, but he runs good crisp routes, gets out of his breaks, will block, and has terrific hands.
Coming in:
I loved the Wide Receivers we brought in this season, and I think they fit with the receivers we already have going forward. I thought Willie Downs was one of the 5 best players in the state last year. Obviously he did not qualify and I don’t ever expect to see him at FSU. He may have been moving to Safety, but he was announced as a WR at the big recruiting dinner bonanza, and I can’t imagine losing that playmaker on offense.
Rodney Smith- He is big, like real big 6’6’’, over 200 lbs. He is an elite talent and I think there is a decent chance that we see Rodney Smith on the field this year, maybe in the Corey Surrency role. (I may discuss not personnel but what our receivers are asked to do schematically in another post, but I am not really a fan of the lob pass that Jeff Bowden loved and caught steam with Greg Carr’s freshman year.)
Willie Haulstead- Another big, elite recruit. He is about 3 inches shorter than Rodney, but he is faster and has a more solid build. He can go over the middle, he reportedly has good hands and above average athleticism.
Xavier Rhodes- I believe he will play defense, so I will leave him off for now.
I'd love to see where others differ from me in their analysis of the recievers. Think Bert Reed is definitely our best? Think I'm selling Owens and Goodman short? They are our most up in the air positional grouping, so I'm excited to see how they perform.
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Nice post
I think Reed can be one of the key guys for the passing game this year, I wonder however if he will be “The guy”. Hopefully he is able to make the transition from slot to the outside. If our running game can force defenses to play the run more hopefully Reed’s speed can create some opportunities for homerun type plays on the outside, that is if Ponder can make the throws. There is plenty of talent on this WR corp but much of it is young and unproven so far. Hopefully this year we will see some of these guys step up and become FSU’s next elite WR. I feel like many times the success of certain guys can be seen in their developing a good chemistry with a QB. This obviously has been tough as the QB position (as well as WR position) has seen some instability over the past few years with rotating QBs and the suspensions/injuries/etc of WRs. It would be nice to see some of this start to develop now that we (should) have a QB holding down the starting spot for two consecutive seasons. I wonder who of these WRs, especially some of these young incoming guys, might develop good chemistry with Ponder? Or with E.J. when his time comes?
Hopefully these guys
will take the opportunities they are given and run with them. Carr was a weapon, but we became too reliant on that jump ball. I want to see more than 3 routes run by our WR’s this year. I want to see better blocking. With a bunch of "no-namers’ or unheralded guys, it should work out. They should be hungry and ready to work for their jobs
Yeah, I have heard that
I think Easterling will play on labor day, so I don’t know how much run he will get. I’m a little lower on Givens than other FSU fans.
He's very limited but haas great speed.
by Bud Elliott on Jun 16, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Repeatedly catching the bubble though, he can get used to it I hope.
I’m more concerned with Bert at X, but I guess if he can keep a safety high(er), we can replicate that 2-high stuff we saw all last year.
He better work on that
there are plenty of fast kids not playing ball because they can’t catch. That’s more or les essential to play wide receiver…….weird, i know.
Clean tear, he is ahead of schedule
and my roommate has the exact same injury, clean tear had the surgery at the same place, and given his rehabilitation timeline. It is an educated guess, but a guess nonetheless.
Well, that would be great news if your guess is correct.
Although I can’t imagine he’ll be the same. Just the mental aspect has to be a huge hurdle to overcome. Time will tell…
Maybe on this board...
But the people I know in real life talk about him whenever we talk about the incoming recruiting class. He’s going to be electric.
Just wants to beat the Gators
Use him like USC used Bush a few years back.
I remember the USC — VT game clearly. That wheel to Bush was a thing of beauty.
He can
play the buble just like Reed, which is basically the only reason people want Reed to stay inside. I personally don’t think we have a choice. Bert has to move outside, atleast until we know what we will get from Commack/Goodman/True Freshman
I love Givens story and his speed, but
I’d prefer to have Chris Thompson play his role from Day One.
CT is being slept on by most Nole fans in my opinion. He is dynamite with the ball in his hands.
I predict he shows out in August and earns some PT against Miami.
I think it's a mistake to move Reed out of the slot.
I’d like to see Forston line up on the outside with Haulstead/Smith rotating on the other.
The bubble screen to Reed was a devestating tool last year.
My only concern is – does Forston have the speed to line up outside?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Well he's not a true freshman anymore...
so we shouldnt be scared. I really hope Fortson can live up to his hype. He has all the physical attributes to be successful, lets just hope he comes prepared mentally…ie precise route running, effective downfield blocking, playbook knowledge.
i want to see some highlight catches this year from him
oh ok, i should have assumed
but i have no problem with starting a true freshman if he’s the best man for the job. i do have a problem with NOT starting someone based on seniority. let them run routes that dont require precise timing and let them master the playbook and develop a better on field relationship with Ponder as the year goes on.
Too many unknowns and not enough raw talent
I think we should really assess some of the RBs we have and move them into WR positions. Their speed and power should transition well into the slot receiver. The WR corp is our weakest link to me on offense and possibly the whole team.
I don't want to get in the whole Downs thing again
but I disagree completely with this:
I thought Willie Downs was one of the 5 best players in the state last year. Obviously he did not qualify and I don’t ever expect to see him at FSU. He may have been moving to Safety, but he was announced as a WR at the big recruiting dinner bonanza, and I can’t imagine losing that playmaker on offense
Willie was a much better S than WR.
In High School
He played WR much more extensively than S. He went out to the All-America game and won MVP as a safety, and everyone wanted to move him over. It is a moot point but he was more valuable as a WR in my opinion.
Wasn't it just for his SR year
that he played at WR only, whereas his first 3 he played more S? I thought his first 2 years he was a contributor at WR but a starter only from JR on. Maybe I’m remembering wrong?
Does anyone think we will ever have a 1000 yard receiver in the near future?
I really can’t see it with the amount of rotation we do.
Just wants to beat the Gators
Well, since recruits probably read this site....
Heck yes, we’re going to have a 1000 yard receiver…Probably 3 next year…Ponder and EJ are on fire getting the ball right on target ;)
2009? No. 2010? Possibly. When you have a lot of talent, the ball will be spread around.
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Catches Yds TDs Rec/Gm Yds/Catch Yds/Gm
1 Austin Collie, BYU WR JR 13 106 1538 15 8.15 14.51 118.31
2 Dez Bryant, Oklahoma St. WR SO 13 87 1480 19 6.69 17.01 113.85
3 Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas WR SO 13 92 1407 15 7.08 15.29 108.23
4 Naaman Roosevelt, Buffalo WR JR 14 104 1402 13 7.43 13.48 100.14
5 Kenny Britt, Rutgers WR JR 12 87 1371 7 7.25 15.76 114.25
6 James Casey, Rice TE SO 13 111 1329 13 8.54 11.97 102.23
7 Jarett Dillard, Rice WR SR 13 87 1310 20 6.69 15.06 100.77
8 Jamarko Simmons, Western Mich. WR SR 13 104 1276 7 8.00 12.27 98.15
8 Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati WR SR 14 81 1276 11 5.79 15.75 91.14
10 Chris Williams, New Mexico St. WR SR 12 86 1271 9 7.17 14.78 105.92
11 Jeremy Maclin, Missouri WR SO 14 102 1260 13 7.29 12.35 90.00
12 Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina WR JR 13 68 1222 12 5.23 17.97 94.00
13 Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech WR SO 13 97 1165 19 7.46 12.01 89.62
14 Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma WR SR 14 74 1150 10 5.29 15.54 82.14
15 Marko Mitchell, Nevada WR SR 13 61 1141 10 4.69 18.70 87.77
16 Quan Cosby, Texas WR SR 13 92 1123 10 7.08 12.21 86.38
17 Casey Fitzgerald, North Texas WR SR 12 113 1119 6 9.42 9.90 93.25
18 DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss. WR FR 13 67 1117 12 5.15 16.67 85.92
19 Rashaun Greer, Colorado St. WR JR 13 63 1114 3 4.85 17.68 85.69
20 Brennan Marion, Tulsa WR SR 13 43 1112 8 3.31 25.86 85.54
21 Dennis Pitta, BYU TE JR 13 83 1083 6 6.38 13.05 83.31
22 Golden Tate, Notre Dame WR SO 13 58 1080 10 4.46 18.62 83.08
23 Eric Decker, Minnesota WR JR 12 84 1074 7 7.00 12.79 89.50
24 Jordan Shipley, Texas WR SR 13 89 1060 11 6.85 11.91 81.54
25 Arrelious Benn, Illinois WR SO 12 67 1055 3 5.58 15.75 87.92
26 Brandon Banks, Kansas St. WR JR 12 67 1049 9 5.58 15.66 87.42
27 Aldrick Robinson, SMU WR SO 10 59 1047 11 5.90 17.75 104.70
28 Kerry Meier, Kansas WR JR 13 97 1045 8 7.46 10.77 80.38
29 Ryan Wolfe, UNLV WR JR 12 88 1040 6 7.33 11.82 86.67
29 Sammie Stroughter, Oregon St. WR SR 13 70 1040 7 5.38 14.86 80.00
31 Dominick Goodman, Cincinnati WR SR 13 84 1028 7 6.46 12.24 79.08
32 Tyron Carrier, Houston WR FR 13 80 1026 9 6.15 12.83 78.92
33 T.Y. Hilton, Florida Int’l WR FR 12 41 1013 7 3.42 24.71 84.42
Most of those guys were studs on iffy teams. Nobody from the SEC and one from the ACC (probably because those two conferences play the best defense).
did you see our pieces on the complete lack of Big 12 defensive talent?
by Bud Elliott on Jun 17, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Specifically at DB position I might add...
but let’s not pimp that article too much – we want talented WR’s coming here, not out to the Big 12. :)
Maybe not but 800 is very doable
and may have 1 who gets 800 at 20+yrds/catch.
Also any WR who gets 5-6 catches a game has got to be satisfied when we are rotating in 7+ WRs in a game.
As well, if any WR steps up and shows that they should be getting more touches the way say Peter Warrick did or even Preston Parker did a couple yrs ago, I feel confident in saying Jimbo will find a way to get him the ball.
Good read.
I really think our wr corps will have a good year. I expect big things out of Commack. I have heard some very promising things about him.
hahaha
he’s big, I’d really like to see him in some corner drills to watch his hips. He LOOKS like a WR.

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