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Regional Recruiting: Pipelines and Power

FSUncecsored recently wrote an excellent story about Greg Reid which alluded to FSU regaining the fertile grounds of South Georgia as a recruiting stronghold. South Georgia is known for having talented football especially with schools like Thomas County Central High School (Thomasville), Lowndes (Valdosta), and Valdosta High. Some great players have come out of this area, and just to name one, a Nole favorite Charlie Ward is from Thomasville. But regaining South Georgia as a recruiting base is something that is very important for FSU. In the last couple of years we have signed Debrale Smiley and Anthony (Amp) McCloud from Thomasville, as well as Greg Reid and Gerald Demps from Lowndes High School. On top of that a top OL prospect for this recruiting cycle is already committed from Lowndes in Ed Christian, and FSU is recruiting his teammate Telvin Smith very hard to come play LB for us. 

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This leads me to a subject that I would like to discuss further which is “pipelines” or at least “regional power” as I will refer to it. When FSU was great they gathered up every legitimate prospect in the North Florida/South Georgia area, and cherry picked a lot of recruits from the Broward/Dade area. We got away from that a bit and began to recruit nationwide, and left some more local kids we could have had on the table. A pipeline is when a specific power high school begins to send recruit after recruit to the same college. FSU has long been a pipeline for Lincoln High in Tallahassee with the likes of Antonio Cromartie, Pat Watkins, Crophonso Thorpe, and yes Fred Rouse. Regional power is a little different. The high school football world is not that small, and a college can have power in a certain region because of its reputation amongst coaches, much like FSU had in its heyday with South FL.

 

With that said, I would like to look at where our 2010 recruits are from, pipelines that FSU is working on, and regions that are important.

 

Having already discussed the Lowndes connection and importance of South Georgia, as well as the Tallahassee area (which I assume is a given) I will look at other areas.

 

Byrnes High School (Duncan, South Carolina):  Byrnes is a National power house school that puts out players who go to Division 1 schools every year. Two years ago FSU landed Everette Dawkins from Byrnes, and last year a trend started to occur as FSU signed Safety Justin Bright. This year FSU is recruiting three players heavily from Byrnes.

 

Corey Miller, WDE: A true pass rusher and FSU certainly needs to do well in Defensive Line help. He is a good FSU lean at this point.

 

Brandon Willis, SDE: Most believe he will move inside to 3 technique DT. He is a great player, and is in my top 5 “must have” recruits in this class. He is also an FSU lean, not sure if it as strong.

 

Marcus Lattimore, RB: One of the most talented players in the nation, and a RB who fits Jimbo/Trickett’s philosophy well. FSU looks ok from what I have read, but I think it is still really far up in the air. He likes USCe, Auburn (although that has apparently cooled), and he is close to Clemson, also reportedly interested in Penn State. He is #1 or #1A on Jimbo’s board alongside LaMarcus Joyner.

 

Miami Central High (Miami, FL): Miami Central isn’t known as a pipeline by any means, but it is in a part of the state that FSU needs to be able to flex its recruiting muscle. They also have a trio of players FSU is recruiting.

 

Brandon Gainer, RB: Besides Lattimore he is the #1 RB on FSU’s board right now, and he should be. There is a large contingent of FSU fans who feel that he is not as good as hyped, but I am not one of them; he is big and strong and runs hard. This season will show people that he is worth every accolade he is given. FSU is definitely driving the bus with him.

 

Jeff Godfrey, QB: He has good film and a very live arm. I honestly do not know if he wants to come to FSU, but I am almost 100% sure that we will take him if he does, which others have questioned.

 

Joshua Reese, WR: He is a clear third in the race amongst the team’s stars but he can play. Honestly I think the only way we take him is if Gainer and Godfrey commit and we do it as a favor. WR looks like a position of strength for FSU right now with DJJ, Shaw, and Green. On top of that Haggins may play WR if he comes here, although I think he is a safety.

 

Pahokee High (Pahokee, FL): Always laden with talent they have a number of players that will go D1 this year, and establishing a presence here would be great. Antone Smith and Anquan Boldin are Alumni.

 

De’Joshua Johnson, WR: An elusive small WR who has multitasked at Pahokee. I like him a whole lot, and he can play in the mold of Taiwan Easterling. Huge FSU Lean.

 

Chris Dunkley, WR: Transferred to Pahokee from Royal Palm Beach, and is an explosive playmaker. He is a UF lean, but that recruit list is getting awfully full, UGA may be second in line but FSU may not be dead.

 

Merrill Noel, CB: I love this kid, a lot more than the consensus of other FSU fans. He is undersized but he moves up and hits well. He is good in coverage as well, should not let this become another Alphonso Smith situation in my opinion (because Wake Forest looks good right now).

 

Richard Ash, DT: Going to UF, I never really wanted him. Workout warrior.

 

Other Miami Recruits:

 

Eduardo Clements (Booker T. Washington) RB: I am not as high on him as others are. He is a good player for sure, but there are a number of backs I like more than him. Reportedly interested in UGA and FSU.

 

Corey Lemoiner (Hialeah) DL: Excellent player, probably top 10 in the state. UM lean, but if anybody can flip him it is probably FSU, he will make a trip to see campus. Would be a huge get, but I am not optimistic.

 

Calvin Smith (Hialeah) DL: ESPN 150 Watch/ Rivals 4 Star kid. I have not seen him play, but FSU may be in good position with him, plan on watching film on him soon, I may update this after looking at some film. Lots of people I talk to like him.  

 

Without rehashing what we all know, FSU is recruiting 2 kids from Saint Thomas Aquinas in Ft. Lauderdale. Keion Payne, DB, who I am not very high on and don’t expect in the class. As well as LaMarcus Joyner, a super elite DB, who is in the top 5 most needed kids with Brandon Willis.

 

Tampa, Land of Athletes: The Tampa Bay area is an area that FSU needs to become stronger in, and can help lead to more dominance. The West Coast gets underrated.

 

Terrence Mitchell (Hillsborough High) CB:  I think the world of this kid, he is an excellent prospect and should be #2 on the CB board behind Joyner. With our need at this position he should move up the overall board to me. FSU lean I think.

 

Christian Green (Tampa Catholic) ATH/WR: An absolute playmaker, so much so that his high school coach wants to get the ball in his hands every play so he is QB in high school. Thought to be a WR in college. I’d be surprised if he is not in the 2010 class.

 

Jeremy Deering (Leto) ATH: I think he is severely underrated by Rivals and the 3 star is kind of a joke. He is an excellent athlete and can play WR/DB/ RB. I want him in this class, and we may have a shot. I’m not sure who his leader is.

 

Obviously there are other regions that are important and prospects can sprout up from any number of areas. However talent tends to concentrate and better coaches tend to do so as well. I have shown some schools that are hopefully becoming pipelines as well as some regions that FSU needs to become heavily involved in for future success. I think the new regime sees the same trends and has already started to think this way. Hopefully schools like Byrnes, Lowndes, and Pahokee will filter kids our way, while our coaches have regional power in Miami, North Florida and Tampa.

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I enjoyed this a lot.

Re-taking Tampa is so key. Jeff Bowden and co. totally screwed us there, and now Lawrence is re-establishing us.


Brandon Gainer, RB: Besides Lattimore he is the #1 RB on FSU’s board right now, and he should be. There is a large contingent of FSU fans who feel that he is not as good as hyped, but I am not one of them; he is big and strong and runs hard. This season will show people that he is worth every accolade he is given. FSU is definitely driving the bus with him.

Gainer had 240 yards on 23 carries in their spring game, he fits out scheme extremely well, and is smart (will be an early enrollee).

by Bud Elliott on Jun 20, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Great wrap-up

Put everything we’re going for at FSU in a quick read.

uncensored you’re getting me hyped coley-style on Gainer, I hope we get him. Do you think we should expect a large increase of national coverage on Gainer this fall?

by NorthernHaze on Jun 21, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not FSUn

but I think Gainer will gain national coverage. I’m not him but we agree that he is a great RB who is currently not respected enough.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I not high on any of the backs

 I think Clements is really overrated. Lattimore and Gainer are the kinda backs we need. I think Pryor is better than both of them. I know Lattimore gets a lot of Hype but I don’t think he has very good vision. He runs hard as hell and doesn’t go down easy which is what we need. But i’m worried he want make those cuts we need him to in our blocking scheme. That’s just from the film I’ve seen

by DR Mook on Jun 21, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense

But after watching an all-star high school football game(forgot the name) in which Pryor played I was wondering why we even offered the guy.

Defense is not the problem.

by badknees81 on Jun 21, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So do we not trust Jimbo on Pryor? I haven't seen much of him, and I dont' recall much analysis

of why the consensus is that he shouldn’t have been offered, or won’t work here.

It’s not that I’m a fan, since I haven’t really seen any video of Pryor; I’m just looking for some concrete reasoning on why he is high with many TN members.

by jasonole59 on Jun 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lonnie Pryor

I found the ESPN analysis that said he could struggle in a heavy zone scheme rushing system..

However he was also recruited and offered by UF. There’s something to be said about a guy holding 17 offers including UF, UGA, Clemson, LSU. Are there other kids at his high school we’re trying to get to?

by jasonole59 on Jun 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having seen him play personally

I think he is a great ATH who could play several positions for us. I would love to see him run the slot in some bubble screens as he has decent hands and rarely gets tackled by the first defender. However, Madison County has perfected the flexbone and other misdirection based offenses, so honestly any decent back could shine there, but he is better than that IMO.

Also remember that Madison County, while being in class 2B (yes, Class 2 is divided in two, 2A and 2B), always has great athletes and COACHING and we will want to have an influence in that school as I hear they have some great talent coming up in the next 2 years. Most of their kids love Florida State and we want to keep it that way.

by freshcollegeboy on Jun 22, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pryor

Is a good RB, and I don’t get the “we shouldn’t have offered the guy”. He held offers from Florida, Georgia, Clemson, and Auburn. Last I checked those schools knew a little something about RB.

But I don’t think he is better than Lattimore.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy Pryor either. I think he is a horrible fit for our offense.

From what I’ve seen Pryor can’t make decisions and has bad vision. He’s a great physical specimen, but I do not think he fits what we do.

Displays some suddenness, but he isn’t a very sharp cutback runner. Churns out tough yards after contact when able to pick up a head of steam running north-south. Runs with determination, keeping his legs pumping and finishing well. Tends to gear down when cutting in the open field, losing too much in transition. He isn’t an especially decisive runner; lacks a great feel for finding cutback lanes. His high-cut frame hinders his pick-and-slide quickness through traffic. Could struggle in a zone-heavy college rushing scheme. Lacks a consistent burst through traffic or acceleration at the second level; he’s basically a one-gear back. Sometimes lumbers a bit and runs upright for a back with his measurables. Needs to work on planting and accelerating downhill.

That sort of sums it up for me. I think he should play safety. Being a great athlete does not a running back make.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the least he will be a great

ambassador for FSU football.

Defense is not the problem.

by badknees81 on Jun 21, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great kid
Excellent athlete
Desire and hard worker

Know what? He might be able to learn to our system. I think if he does, however, it might take a bit.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 21, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

LB

Im sure we will get a LB or 2.. Who do you see us reaching for.

I was just looking at linebackers on other sites and saw Jeff Luc. If we were to get him what you think our Lb corps would be?

try and go 3-4. Nigel squared, Luc, Williams in 2010-2011

by KnightNoles on Jun 21, 2009 5:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Our line is undersized to play 4-3...

We have no shot of running a 3-4 and make it work. Plus, where do you find massive NTs in college. Guys like Ron Brace are very uncommon.

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

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by NaGaNole on Jun 21, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can run odd fronts with 3 down linemen and use 1 Gap tackles. You don’t always need the 2 Gap big cloggers that are so rare. When Terrence Cody isn’t in the game, Bama uses more one gap than two. You just need some bigger inside linebackers which Jeff Luc would be.

by gahnki on Jun 21, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, where to start?

I love Luc. I am the first one on the Luc train each morning.

As to who we get. I think it will be Christian Jones, Kendall Moore, and Telvin Smith and maybe CJ Mizell in that class as well.

As long as Mickey is here we will play 4-3 under. I don’t think we have the players to run a 3-4 yet. If Luc came we’d have the LB with… Carr-Bradham-Luc-Williams… but you also need big defensive ends. Willis and Demonte could be that if they stayed at DE. It is hard to find 2 gap pluggers, but if they use 1 gap tackles it could be done with rotation for fresh legs. But we just aren’t recruiting that way right now honestly.

Now if we are talking football theory, yes I like the 3-4 Defense very much so, just don’t see it here any time soon.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that was more a discussion of why we can’t switch, and if we wanted to what would have to happen.

Although, like I said, I actually prefer a 3-4 to a 4-3, but I just don’t see it here at FSU any time soon.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a thought

I’m just thinkin if we get another big LB recruit how can we keep 1 of them of the field, but it is very hard to get a huge DT to play the nose. I like both the 3-4 and 4-3 Defenses. I’m a Steeler fan also but Dick Lebeau is a genius. I love Mickey but he needs to come up with a few new ideas. I dont see us playing a 3-4 either it was just a lil discussion if we get another top 5-10 Linebacker.

by KnightNoles on Jun 23, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Luc, he will be at Ohio State on Friday. I should be able to get some second hand opinions from people who are there.

by gahnki on Jun 21, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see Marcus Lattimore, RB going to USC

They just got there star RB and he isnt going to fit up here. They want a fast guy that can catch out the back field. Funny A smith would have fit better up here in Columbia. Unless you are talking about the other USC.

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by Desman on Jun 21, 2009 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Nope I meant that one

He has liked them, I don’t think he’ll end up there because of their up coming season though.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

what if LJ and DJ commit on the same day.

by genron187 on Jun 21, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

you all

really need to thank mattnole…i mean FSU needs to buy him a car or something.

by genron187 on Jun 21, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

but fsu do have some bad fans....

i can name two who post on rivals…i wish i could see them im person..

by genron187 on Jun 21, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah there are

be we aren’t Rivals. And I am pretty sure I know who you mean.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You calling it? ;)

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 21, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love that but ...

I doubt they commit on the same day. DJ (and a lot of his Pahokee teammates) will be committing on Sept. 27th. That date was chosen to honour their fallen teammate (Norman Griffith) who was killed last year.

Maybe you could put in a good word with LJ and get him there to help DJ celebrate with a victory for FSU by getting LJ to “join the party!” :D

by RishiM on Jun 21, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm

we will see. Maybe some multi telecast thing connected like on ESPN would be cool…if FSU is the place..if.

And FSU has to people who run their mouths in the office….im going to spread a rumor about me kicking one of their a$$es….it will be the little Trickett lol.

by genron187 on Jun 22, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, Debrale Smiley will start over both Thomas and Jones in 2010.

He’s a monster. He might be 250 by the time he gets here…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

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by NaGaNole on Jun 21, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I could see them

using JT and Debrale interchangebly, but I doubt he steps in day one and starts over them, unless something goes wrong with the running game this year.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grades

Nobody thought they would get in, including their coaches, so they didn’t send much film around.

40 means not evaluated, not that they are a 40 caliber player.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 22, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

was Ty a qualifying concern last year? I didn't follow recruiting near as much last year...

mainly because I didn’t have TN.

I got the WF game converted over to .avi, but when I checked it this morning the captions were left on (not hard of hearing, just watching a movie that had some difficult lines to understand)….I’ll redo it again tonight with the captions off, unless they’re not a problem.

by jasonole59 on Jun 22, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a bit.

But he also didn’t camp much, so he wasn’t well known.

Thanks! Do the captions mess up the view of the play/ alignment?

by Bud Elliott on Jun 22, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Debrale..

i would think will be more used as a complement to thomas…. then again the way jimbo likes his big backs thomas could end up being the change of pace guy after debrale is done wearing down the defense… sounds like a scary combination to me

by officelinebacker on Jun 21, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Smiley

Was Greg Jones bigger than Smiley? Will we have Smiley for two years?

by nole34 on Jun 21, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

miami

Miaim northwestern use to be a lil pipeline as well

by genron187 on Jun 21, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Tarpons ...

just curious as to who the other 3 guys in your 5 most needed list are (aside from Brandon Willis and LJ)?

by RishiM on Jun 21, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

My Board

1. LaMarcus Joyner
1A. Brandon Willis
3. Jeff Luc (but I doubt we get him and we need a LB, so Christian Jones is perfectly fine here)
4. Marcus Lattimore
5.Corey Miller

This takes in the guys we really have a shot with as a “need” not just my favorite.

That is personal, and it takes in positional need, they are not my top 5 favorite kids.
The class of 2011 RB in FL is better than 2010, just a note btw. TN will have something about another new kid who will be a D1 RB in 2011 this week.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will somebody please link...

the Tavares Pressley youtube video.

The more I think about it, we really only need 1 true RB in this class.

by TRUSeminolez on Jun 22, 2009 5:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Any word on David Perry??

Still a UF lean?

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

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by NaGaNole on Jun 22, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Drake has a little Trent Richardson....

in him. I love RB’s that naturally shed tackles and Drake does that and then some. Most of the great backs at the next level have that ability. Plus he looks like a solid 4.5 kid.

Miami might only take one more back and most people think it will probably be Gore, but Drake is a strong possibility though. The kid is still high on us even without an offer. He has youtube film Uncensored, you should post it.

I mentioned Pressley earlier because I think he’s the most talented RB on our roster, but we’ll have to see about that.

by TRUSeminolez on Jun 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, looks like

Tarpons was wrong on that one

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people were wrong on that one,

myself included. The Noel commit surprised me for sure.

by NoleThruandThru on Jun 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was surprised by our latest commitments

Never saw Tavaris Barnes and Merrill Noel going Garnet and Gold. As for DJ, was feeling pretty good about him choosing FSU, but don’t think anyone expected his verbal til Sept. 27th.

by CSI Nole on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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