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Chuck Amato-South Florida Recruiter Extrodanaire

After reading TarponsandNoles excellent piece Regional Recruiting: Pipelines and Power, I started to think about the way it used to be, back when most of you younger readers where trying to decide which pimple cream worked best. Relax, I am not going to take you on a trip down memory lane (again).

Also, I am not trying to turn this into another FSU Associate Head Coach & Linebacker Coach Chuck Amato lovefest marathon. However, I think I remember reading/hearing something a few months back that Chuckie would not be recruiting in South Florida any longer. Is my memory correct, or was this just a wet dream that I had one night? Is Coley now personally doing all of the South Florida recruiting himself? If I am mistaken and IF my memory is indeed failing me, I promise to sacrifice a goat to the recruiting god Allah BaBaBooie, during the next full moon, to make sure that this does indeed become a reality, and the sooner the better.

First let’s start by giving Chuck his due before we start the rabid attacks and rants that I somehow think may soon follow.

During the late 80's and 90's, Amato opened up the recruiting war in South Florida, which up until that point was a UM stronghold for all the top local talent. Prior to this time, a local top recruit had usually already decided that he would attend UM by the time he was a Sophomore, and anything less would be a disappointment. Chuckie came along and he forged and established strong bonds with many local HS coaches. During this period, he recruited and signed many of the nations top prospects, which lead to our glorious decade of dominance. He showed that the So. Fla. area was not exclusive UM territory. He worked this area pretty good and subsequently many other D1 programs started taking notice of the talent level, much to UM’s and FSU’s dismay. In many cases, a local 3 star prospect would be considered a 4 star prospect if he played in another part of the state. While at NCST, he remembered this rich talent laden area, as do former FSU asst. coaches (Richt, Steele, ...),  former UM coaches (Butch Davis, ...), as well as Nick Satan, who also had a miserable stay down here in So. Fla..

Unfortunately since Chucks return to FSU from his miserable stay at NCST, he has single handlily virtually destroyed the FSU South Florida pipeline, whose many FSU recruits helped carry us to 2 NC’s. Just last season I remember a situation where he stiffed a HS prospect (Edison?) on numerous occasions, without even a courtesy call to say he was busy or we were not interested any more, to the point of permanently damaging our credibility with many coaches down here. From what I understand, the HS coaching community do speak among themselves.

I decided to check rivals.com to check his 2009 target list. Maybe he had some more prospects that do not appear on this list, but I kinda doubt it.   http://www.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=449

The following is the list of 2009 prospects and the only players Amato was recruiting during the 2009 chase, according to Rivals.  Next to their names I have added some additional comments. All of these Amato targets were offered by FSU.  Let's take a moment and try to put this list into perspective.  This is South Florida we are talking about , and IMO only, one of the most fertile and talent rich recruiting grounds in the entire country.  How good these 5 prospects are, or will be, is not the point of this keyboard heave.  The point is, well you should be able to figure it out for yourselves.

Jaamal Berry-4 stars-Palmetto-RB-Signed with Ohio State-never visited FSU.

Ricardo Dixon-3 stars-Hallandale-DB-Signed with USF-never visited FSU.

Gabe Holmes-3 stars-STAquinas-TE-Signed with Purdue-never visited FSU.

Brandon McGee-4 stars-Plantation-DB-Signed with UM-never visited FSU.

Ed Stinson-4 stars-Homestead-DE-Signed with Alabama-never visited FSU.

In order not to ruin a beautiful day down here in So. Fla., I decided to end it all at this point. (My research, not my life, even though after reading this and realizing WTF...).

So to recap, Amato’s list consisted of 5 players, who had no interest in FSU, who never visited FSU, and who all went on ahead and signed with other D1 schools.

Whatcha been up to Associate Head Coach and Linebacker Coach Chuck Amato, to help FSU win the South Florida recruiting wars?

Since we here at TN like to put things in perspective by using percentages, please give me a little more time, let me find my calculator so I can try to figure out his 2009 batting average, and I will post my results after I have done all of the necessary calculations.

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We hinted at this sometime last year, but...

his duties have been severely cut back. He’s not the primary recruiter on anyone of importance. They always follow up with Jimbo or Coley now. He does not connect with kids any longer.

Here’s his 2008 list:

Commitments
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Nigel Bradham LB 6-2 230 12/7/2007 Crawfordville, FL— always coming to FSU. A janitor could have recruited him.

Ed Imeokparia ATH 6-0 188 4.41 1/25/2008 Blairstown, NJ— we beat out Tennessee and Louisville for him. Most do not expect him to be here in 2 years.

Targets
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Brandon Beachum LB 5-11 216 4.62 Youngstown, OH
Quinton Coples DE 6-7 235 4.8 12/7/2007 Chatham, VA
Marcus Forston DT 6-2 286 5 Miami, FL
Jordan Futch LB 6-3 202 4.56 Hollywood, FL
Mike Goodman OL 6-5 270 5.2 Miami, FL
Aldarius Johnson WR 6-2 200 4.45 Miami, FL
Sam Jones OL 6-6 275 1/25/2008 Chatham, VA
Corey Liuget DT 6-3 260 4.8 11/16/2007 Hialeah, FL
Leon Mackey DE 6-5 258 4.92 12/7/2007 Chatham, VA
Lerentee McCray LB 6-2 200 4.5 1/11/2008 Dunnellon, FL
Marcus Robinson LB 6-2 210 4.57 1/11/2008 Homestead, FL
Etienne Sabino LB 6-3 222 4.6 Miami, FL

Another O-Fer in SoFla

2007 list:

Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Jonathan Hannah TE 6-4 260 4.75 2/2/2007 Louisburg, NC— Juco kid. Didn’t really land him. 2*
Maurice Harris LB 6-0 189 4.51 2/2/2007 Homestead, FL— just a bad player. Everyone wonders why we took him. Poor attitude, lack of intensity, and tiny. Another guy who Jimbo will cut as soon as he takes over if he is still around.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 21, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Here are his current targets. Is there anyone here we are serious about that we should be concerned about him contaminating? Notice only 1 recruit in So. Fla. and once again another year with only 5 targets and 2 in NC. That's ballsy.

 Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Anthony Gonzalez-QB- 4 stars- 6-1 193 Bethlehem, PA
Fre’Shad Hunter-DE- 3 stars- 6-5 246 4.7 Cary, NC
Kendall Moore-LB-3 stars- 6-2 232 4.6 9/6/2009 Raleigh, NC
LaDarius Owens-LB-4 stars- 6-2 225 4.49 Bessemer, AL
Calvin Smith-DT-4 stars- 6-4 265 Hialeah, FL
 

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by FrankDNole on Jun 22, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be so sure about Ed I.

Also, there is no reason to really pile on, but it’ll be a good day when we have a fully functional staff again.

by SWFLNole. on Jun 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Chuck A.

Man anytime I see his name come up I know it will be something depressing. All last season when the tales of Chuck big timing recruits I was wondering what the hell he was doing since he wasn’t signing higher ranked kids. I swear he wears the shade so we can’t know when he is really sleeping.

by osceolafan850 on Jun 21, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Does Odell still touch down in S. Fl?

or is he only invovled with the DTs in S. Fl after Coley starts with them?

by RishiM on Jun 21, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is what Odell is up to.

Commitments
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Jacobbi McDaniel DT-5 stars- 6-0 267 4.83 11/28/2008 Greenville, FL
 
Targets
Name Pos Stars Ht Wt 40-yard Visit Video Hometown
Josh Boyd DT-4 stars- 6-3 275 4.85 Philadelphia, MS
Gary Brown DT-5 stars- 6-3 275 4.67 Quincy, FL
Curtis Porter DT-3 stars- 6-2 334 5.1 Charlotte, NC
Branden Smith DB 5 stars 5-11 171 4.4 11/28/2008 Atlanta, GA
Jamar Travis DT-4 stars- 6-1 298 5.1 Brewton, AL

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by FrankDNole on Jun 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

But seriously, I can see why Haggins connects so well with the prospects, in any part of the county.

• Won a National Championship in 1999 as the Seminoles’ defensive Line Coach
• Coached back-to-back defensive tackles taken in the first round of the 2005 and 2006 NFL drafts
• Coached Andre Wadsworth from a walk-on to the highest-ever NFL draft pick in school history
• Eight Seminole defensive linemen have been drafted in the first round during Haggins’ tenure
• Haggins has coached six defensive tackles that have played in the NFL
• Coached the defensive tackles on the nation’s top-ranked defense in 1998 and the No. 1 rushing defense in 1996 and 1997
• No school has produced more top 10 rushing defenses in the last 11 years and Haggins’ work with the defensive line has been a big reason for that success
• An All-American nosegaurd with the Seminoles from 1986-89
• Earned Kodak, Walter Camp and UPI All-American honors as a senior in 1989
• Second team AP All-American in 1988
• Drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the ninth round of the 1990 NFL draft
• Member of the San Francisco 49ers Super Bowl Championship team in 1990
• Spent the 1991 season as a member of the Buffalo Bills
• Earned his degree in criminology from FSU

HAGGINS’ #1 PICKS
Brodrick Bunkley (Eagles No. 1 Draft Choice in 2006)
Travis Johnson (Texans No. 1 Draft Choice in 2005)
Corey Simon (Eagles No. 1 Draft Choice in 2000)
Andre Wadsworth (Cardinals No Draft Choice in 1998)

From Seminoles.com.

With these credentials and by flashing a Super Bowl ring (if he does have one, which he should) is enough to impress most of these young recruits.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was it Amato who opened up So Fl,

or the fact that in the mid-late 80’s UF was slammed by the NCAA with multi-year, no-TV, no-bowl sanctions, and then miami’s own sanctions picked up where UF’s left off, until the mid-90’s?

by PeachTreeNole on Jun 23, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

(not to mention the scholly cuts for both schools)

It’s no mystery that our recruiting took a dramatic upswing, as did our record, from 85-95 thanks to our miscreant rivals, and then came back down to earth once they cleaned up their acts and restocked their shelves.

by PeachTreeNole on Jun 23, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was both.

Chuck was a very good recruiter down there 15 years ago. I’m not gonna deny him that nor deny that there were factors that helped him.

by Bud Elliott on Jun 23, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's like asking if the great economic times of the 90's were because Bill Clinton.

Everyone’s going to give you a different answer.

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 23, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt there were problems at the other schools that helped our cause, but UF,

up until this millenium was not much of a factor in So. Fla. Also, despite the Miami thug image, Pell Grant scandal, Luther Campbell payola for hits, 7th floor crew, and all the other problems and scandals of the Jimmy Johnson/Dennis Erickson eras in the media and with the NCAA, they still got most of the top recruits in this area. While we started loading up down there and stealing some of the nations top prospects, they still managed to get theirs and were still able to win National Championships during this period, in 87, 89, 91, and later on in 01. The talent pool was/is one of the countries best, and Chuckie was a big part of the reason we broke through back then. Now he is just sad.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're confusing dates.

UF felt the effects of its sanctions until the early 90’s and we soaked up middle Florida to build our depth and our record.

The miami scandal broke in ‘94. Its sanctions didn’t kick in until 1995, and over the next two years the NCAA took away 24 more schollies. Not surprisingly, their recruiting took a hit until the late 90’s, and they weren’t playing for any NC’s during that period. When did Amato’s success in SoFl occur again?

btw, you could see miami retooling by ‘98 when they gave us a game. Many of us saw it coming- the old, balanced and better-coached miami was almost back. We weren’t surprised at what in ’99, even with our Heisman QB. Miami now had athletes again, and it was same ole same ole.

by PeachTreeNole on Jun 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

woah, I'm confusing dates now.

I meant miami was coming back by ’99, and the outcome in 2000 was not a surprise.

by PeachTreeNole on Jun 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

They came back in a hurry

After the 47-0 trouncing in ’97, Miami actually gave us a good game in Orange Bowl the next year (thanks to a wide open Tight End). ’99 was an outright dogfight since the Dillards Boys were suspended. Thank God Germaine Stringler held on to that post pattern catch.

by The K-Man on Jun 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So back in the day Chuck was the man.

But then something happened and Chuck went to NCST and burned some of his ties is SoFl. Then when stuff hit the fan at NCST he went back to FSU to retire w/ BB and MA. Now is hasnt been able to do the same as he could back in the day because hes old and out dated and this is why hes has failed with recruiting all together.

That and he dresses like a clown. Is that about right.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jun 25, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. That's about right.

Just throw in some bitterness and a couple of D-cups, and Amato’s bio has just about written itself.

by TRMNole on Jun 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lovin' it.

you’re the one that filmed him after the spring game, right?

by The K-Man on Jun 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, yeah.

This is a scan of a business card he dropped after the encounter. I found a hundred of them neatly bound in a hot pink rubber band.

by TRMNole on Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks it Bozo the clown with out make-up.

Always wondered what happened to him.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jun 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Bozo, but you're stumbling dangerously close to a conspiracy theory of mine.

In fact, I can’t reveal how I acquired this photo, but notice how comfortable Ann Bowden is in exposing young Jeff and Ginger to her “male friend,” Cookie. I can’t prove with certainty that’s Chuck hiding behind the playful guise of a loveable hobo, but have you ever seen a woman bite harder at a derelict’s request for a hand-out?

by TRMNole on Jun 25, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will be very interesting to see who all Jimbo brings in and lets go when his time comes. Personally I think, if nothng else, that FSU will be a friggin’ talent hogging machine w/ a full staff to recruit. Seriously talent hogging. Now whether we do anything, and I think we will, w/ said talent is another story. Once we have the final house cleaning I really think we can look forward to some good times again. Until then? We’ll drop some games we shouldn’t and probably win some we shouldn’t.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jun 26, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

but thats how we were so good in the 90's I thought.

We had better talent not just on the field but on the side lines. When you play a man cover its one on one. Were didnt have a better coached team just a more raw talented team. Its kinda like USC in the pac-10. They have better players. Where teams like Stanford and Organ St have better plans. USC’s plan is go in and win. Out run them, hit harder than them, and make me look good doing it. Now think of what you could do if you have that talent and a coach that can coach it.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jun 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate myself already, but...

then your name would be Urban Meyer…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Jun 26, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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